Scientists, Please Don't March

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach-Crossposted from my blog, Skating Under The Ice.

Well, the bad news is that a whole bunch of scientists are going to have a march on Washington … on Earth Day.

Why is this a bad idea? Three reasons. There’s no clarity on what they are marching for. There’s no clarity on what they are marching against. And they are marching on Earth Day.

Here’s what I mean about clarity. If you ask anyone on the street what Donald Trump’s message was during the campaign, you get a variety of answers. Build the wall. Make America great again. Drain the swamp. Bring back the jobs. Different answers, but almost everybody can tell you something that Trump stood for.

Now, ask people what Hillary’s message was … crickets. The problem was she didn’t have a message. A few months after the election, and hardly anyone can remember what she stood for … nor do we have any idea what the scientist are marching for.

You see, Hillary proved that being AGAINST something is not sufficient. She tried to run as the “anti-Trump”, and managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

And now, the scientists are doing the same thing. They think that casting themselves as the anti-Trump scientists is sufficient, even when they are not at all clear about what they are against. It seems they are driven by their fears rather than by any event or actual danger.

Well, that’s not entirely true about them not being for anything. Here you go, here’s what passes for their message:

“Yes, this is a protest, but it’s not a political protest,” said Jonathan Berman, a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio and a lead organizer of the march. “The people making decisions are in Washington, and they are the people we are trying to reach with the message: You should listen to evidence.”

“Listen to evidence”? That’s it?

You mean like the evidence that showed beyond question that Donald Trump couldn’t win the election? You mean like the evidence that Michael Mann and the Climategate conspirators made up out of the whole cloth? You mean like the evidence of Ioannidis who showed that most peer-reviewed published scientific research is false? The evidence that Ioannidis referred to when he said that “Evidence-based medicine has been hijacked“? That evidence?

But setting the weak and uncertain nature of the “evidence” aside, that is the among the most pathetic slogans imaginable. Why?

Because every single person that I know who hears “You should listen to evidence!”, including myself, scientists and non-scientists alike, will say the same thing:

I AM LISTENING TO EVIDENCE, FOOL, DON’T INSULT ME!

And the “people making decisions in Washington” will all say the same.  Find me one person who thinks they are not listening to the evidence … you’ll look for a long time. All of us believe we can tell gold from fools gold.

I feel sorry for these folks. They are most likely good scientists in their fields, but they truly are out of their depth organizing either a march or a movement. A public march is only worth doing if you have a clear and compelling message. You need to show people a path from here to the desired future, offer real actions people can take, and urge people to take those actions.  But “You should listen to evidence”? Where does that go?

Not only that, but they are marching on Earth Day! Talk about the height of cluelessness. Do they really think that becoming just another part of the highly politically polarized and generally anti-human Earth Day circus is going to make them more visible, more viable, or more believable?

Do they truly think that hanging out with people who advocate “de-development” and forced population reduction and who think that humans are a “plague on the earth” will burnish their scientific credentials?

On Earth Day the scientists will be in the middle of the usual pseudo-scientific parade of “iridologists”, and “reflexologists”, and folks who think turning out their lights for an hour shows they are virtuous, and homeopathic snake oil salesmen, and people against some war somewhere … on what planet is this possibly of any benefit to science? Whose brilliant scheme is this? Find that person and fire them immediately.

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All that having the march on Earth Day will do is dilute and distract from the scientist’s message … not that that will make much difference given the pathetic message. But again, whose bright idea is this? You want to march on a day when nothing is going on, when every camera in town is focused on you alone.

Finally, these folks don’t seem to understand the position of scientists in society these days. Wearing a lab coat doesn’t mean what it used to mean. Today, I laughed to see that Bill Nye the Science Guy’s lab coat was a prop in a SuperBowl ad for Tide detergent. Oh, they got Bill’s lab coat whiter than white … but they couldn’t clean up his reputation, or that of science. Remember what Ioannidis found out: these days, most peer-reviewed results are false. And don’t think that people haven’t noticed. We’ve seen too many “evidence-based” predictions of impending doom from eminent scientists, predictions that have all crashed and burned. No atolls sunk in the ocean. No 50 million climate refugees by 2010. No “population bomb” exploding. No food riots in the streets.

Here’s the rude truth.

In the US in 2017, for a large segment of the populace, too many scientists are just stuck up elites in lab coats who want to lecture us on how we should live.

For those people, scientists are right up there with Hollywood dilettantes like Leonardo DeCaprio, taking a helicopter from his mega-yacht in the Mediterranean to the airport, where he boards a private jet to New York to tell us all how we’re eco-criminals for burning too much fossil fuel. And just like the scientists, DeCaprio keeps telling us we should “listen to the evidence” … riiiight, we’ll get on that straightaway …

And now, for that same segment of the electorate, guess what they see happening. The scientists are having a hissy-fit because people are no longer listening to their terrifying lectures about the horrible dangers of, well, everything—margarine will kill us this week, but next week butter will kill us and margarine is OK, this week diesel cars will save Europe, next week diesel cars are choking it with pollution  … and as a result, more and more people are like “Talk to the hand, the head’s not listening!”.

And in a stunning move that couldn’t possibly go wrong, the elite scientists have decided to strike out against the Trumpian Oppression Of Noble Scientists and march around Washington in their lab coats and lecture us some more …

Really? That’s their plan? We’re gonna bow to the irresistible force of the lab coat?

And here’s the best part. This is the message of the lecture from the scientific elite—we plebes, as well as the “people making decisions in Washington”, are either not smart enough to recognize evidence when we see it, or we are deliberately ignoring evidence.

Yeah, that’ll fetch ’em all right, tell us we’re stupid! That will convince us to change our evil ways … after all, insulting your opposition worked so well for Hillary …

So I implore all scientists, please don’t add your names to this foolish attempt. Don’t go on this march around Washington to lecture us on why we’re wrong. It will just piss people off and further damage the reputation of science and scientists. We’re lectured out, you’ve cried “wolf” too many times. Stay home and enjoy the day.

Four AM on a rainy morning … yeah, I am a night owl … all the good things of life to you all.

w.

PLEASE, if you are commenting, QUOTE THE EXACT WORDS YOU ARE DISCUSSING so we can all understand your subject.

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Coeur de Lion
February 6, 2017 2:22 pm

Spot on Willis

Louis
February 6, 2017 2:32 pm

“You should listen to evidence.”
What they really mean is, “You should listen to the evidence we tell you to listen to and ignore all the rest.”

Paul Penrose
February 6, 2017 2:38 pm

“It seems they are driven by their fears rather than by any event or actual danger.”
Hit the nail on the head directly with that one Willis. In fact, this is true of many people (mostly on the left). They react emotionally with little regard for rational thought. And since fear and loathing are among the strongest emotions, the haters tend to bubble to the top. Trying to have a rational discussion with these types is an exercise in frustration.

csanborn
February 6, 2017 2:47 pm

They march because they don’t like the rigors of the Scientific Method?

ChrisB
February 6, 2017 2:52 pm

Me have no problem with scientists protesting, authoring manifestos or providing a backdrop for good old TV.
As long as their science are not funded by us, the taxpayer. Get a job, do science and then protest. Fine with me.
Otherwise please go back to your publicly funded lab and keep working.

February 6, 2017 2:52 pm

Bottom line, if they understand it, they would be able to model it. They can’t.
Climate “Science” on Trial; If Something is Understood, it can be Modeled
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2017/02/06/climate-science-on-trial-if-something-is-understood-it-can-be-modeled/
How to Discuss Global Warming with a “Climate Alarmist.” Scientific Talking Points to Win the Debate.
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2017/01/03/how-to-discuss-global-warming-with-a-liberal-the-smoking-gun-files/

February 6, 2017 2:53 pm

Nice article, it deserves to be published elsewhere for others to read and think about.

Dodgy Geezer
February 6, 2017 2:54 pm

…Scientists, Please Don’t March…
I don’t think the scientists ARE marching. Not the real ones, anyway…

H. D. Hoese
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer
February 7, 2017 2:22 pm

See my post way below, Sigma Xi is in on it.

Keith
February 6, 2017 3:01 pm

Willis: “I do it for a few reasons”…stop people “driving a bus off a cliff”…..”competition” in politics as well as capitalism.
Ok, point taken. My problem with it is that it presupposes a reasoned response to an argument. So far, there has been scant evidence of that type of approach. Rather, there has been what James Delingpole characterises as “point and shriek”, in this post about the left not acknowledging that the open borders policy has risks.
http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2016/12/25/delingpole-moronic-self-righteous-disgusting-losers-tried-to-turn-the-berlin-attack-on-nigel-farage/
Before we get to the hoped-for “reasoned response”, there will be many Social Justice Warrior attacks.
http://www.voxday.net/mart/SJW_Attack_Survival_Guide.pdf
Once we see a diminution of SJW aggression, rants, sore-loser syndrome, and racist remarks about Mr Trump’s skin colour (orange fuhrer is not my president – can you imagine the uproar if someone had denigrated Mr Obama for being black), then maybe your approach will be heard.

Robert W Turner
February 6, 2017 3:03 pm

The truth cannot be rude, but rather blunt.

Pamela Gray
Reply to  Robert W Turner
February 6, 2017 7:01 pm

Wish people knew that. I have many times been accused of being rude when sticking to facts. Trouble is beliefs trump facts EVERY time.

Robert W Turner
February 6, 2017 3:05 pm

“Listening” to the evidence is exactly what they should stop doing, and instead open their eyes and SEE the evidence.

February 6, 2017 3:07 pm

Gee perhaps these genius level ‘scientists’ will bring some evidence along with them. They’ve been telling us about how much evidence the 97% have for years but I haven’t actually seen any yet. Lots of models but sadly no evidence as yet.

February 6, 2017 3:07 pm

There will be far more Lab Coats than Scientists…

February 6, 2017 3:09 pm

Superb, and timely post. But too generous to ‘the scientists’. You clearly have compassion for them, while I struggle with 50 shades of contempt. Let them march, I say. Let them display their superficial soundbites and their turpitude. Good could come of that. And of course, Earth Day is ideal since it stinks to high heaven.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  John Shade
February 7, 2017 10:49 am

On the “Earth Day is ideal since it stinks to high heaven” front, how about this message for a placard – “If Black Lives Matter to YOU, then don’t support the “Green” agenda, which has ended more black lives than all the unfortunate law enforcement encounters in the entire world.”

John Whitman
February 6, 2017 3:15 pm

Willis,
Do the organizers of the march want to have scientists be a high percentage of the marchers? If yes we can laugh.
Since climate scientists are overwhelmingly gov’t employees or are almost entirely affiliated with gov’t institutions, then it is a gov’t employee march on the Washington DC gov’t. Now I understand.
John

Sheri
February 6, 2017 3:15 pm

Let’s hope the white coats have the same effect doctor’s white coats were rumored to have on patients.

FTOP_T
February 6, 2017 3:16 pm

I hope the giants in the field show up. Particularly, the leaders from:
Eugenics
Lysenkoism
Piltdown Archeologists
Bigfootists
Astrologists
24th chromosome adherents
and various other shamans from the settled scientists…

February 6, 2017 3:30 pm

Hillary Clinton had a clear message. Her message was, “It’s my turn!”

February 6, 2017 4:14 pm

Note that they are all about “evidence” , not data.
I am all about NOT ignoring data, something the alarmists can’t or refuse to understand

J. Philip Peterson
February 6, 2017 4:15 pm

Are you saying that A W’s dog Kenji should not go and march with his fellow scientists? I thought most of us WUWTers were on his side. His lab coat will be as white as all the other scientists there…
Ref: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/01/30/help-send-kenji-to-the-scientists-march-on-washington-event/

February 6, 2017 4:15 pm

Thus, the cycles of social evolution mimic the cycles of evolution in the animal kingdom:
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOOs8MaR1YM&w=560&h=315%5D
This is what the “March For Science” really amounts to, … metaphorically.
Have a nice fall, gentlemen.

JCalvertN(UK)
February 6, 2017 4:20 pm

The current issue of ‘New Scientist’ (a UK-based weekly known for its “sensationalist bent and a lack of basic knowledge by its writers”) lead with an editorial titled “Speak out if you can”. It was dominated by a photograph of some protesters’ placards which read
“Respect science”
“What do we want?” “Evidence-based claims!”
“When do we want it?” “After peer-review!”
“Science is not a Liberal Conspiracy”
Just ‘evidence *based*’? Just ‘claims’? Just ‘peer-reviewed’? That’s good enough for these guys? They want ‘respect’ – for that?
And ‘Respect Science’? Well it depends on which science you’re talking about – they’re all different and they’re certainly not equally deserving of respect. (And many areas of study now mascerade as ‘sciences’ when really they are not. If a so-called science has the word ‘science’ in its name . . .etc.)
But I especially love the one about ‘Science is not a Liberal Conspiracy’. So science is OK with liberals again these days? That’s great! – welcome back onboard! We missed you! But remember, only a few years ago it was trendy to make statements like these:
1/ “The validity of theoretical propositions in the sciences is in no way affected by factual evidence” (Gergen 1988 p.37)
2/ “The natural world has a small or non-existent role in the construction of scientific knowledge” (Collins 1981 p 31)
3/ “For the relativist [ . . ] there is no sense attached to the idea that some standards or beliefs are really rational as distinct from merely locally accepted as such” (Barnes and Bloor 1981 p27)
4/ “Science legimates [sic] itself by linking its discoveries with power, a connection which *determines* (not merely influences) what counts as reliable knowledge . . .” (Aronowitz 1988 p204)
The above (and the bibliography) can all be found in “Pseudoscience and Postmodernism: Antagonists or Fellow Travelers?” by Alan D. Sokal 2004 http://www.physics.nyu.edu/sokal/pseudoscience_rev.pdf

William Larson
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
February 7, 2017 8:03 pm

Yogi Berra (yes, the one and only): “In theory, practice is the same as theory; but in practice, it isn’t.”

Michael S. Kelly
February 6, 2017 4:32 pm

I’ve worked my entire life in the aerospace industry, which has more acronyms than the world has Starbucks. But I have never seen anyone with a penchant for making acronyms and abbreviations at a clip quite like climate “scientists.” It has always astonished me, because it adds nothing to the discussion – except, perhaps, the patina of something truly amazing, like space travel.
However, I myself think there is one more acronym that needs to be established for this march. We’ll call it the march against “Trumpian Oppression Of Noble Scientists”, or “TOONS.” That is fitting.

Ross King
February 6, 2017 4:35 pm

Where’s Griff on this topic? I need a good laugh…..

Reply to  Ross King
February 6, 2017 4:47 pm

She is here,making a complete fool of HERSELF,about her favorite topic,Arctic ice conditions:
https://realclimatescience.com/2017/02/large-increase-in-multi-year-ice-over-the-past-decade/#comment-39587
Several,including me been all over her brainless comments.

February 6, 2017 4:49 pm

She is here,making a complete fool of HERSELF,about her favorite topic,Arctic ice conditions:
Increase In Multi-Year Ice Over The Past Decade
Several,including me been all over her brainless comments at Tony Heller’s blog