Guest Opinion: Dr. Tim Ball
The Trump administration is well aware of the political use and scientific abuse of climate for a political agenda. I learned how aware while attending the Heritage Foundation Climate Conference on Thursday December 8 in Washington D.C. The majority of the public sense there is something wrong as reflected in their lack of concern measured in all polls. They will be very angry when the extent of the deception is explained to them, as will happen as the new administration lays out the foundation for their policies. The question is what happens going forward. We know those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Similarly, you cannot prevent all misuses of any system and trying to do so only makes it inefficient and even unworkable. Science must be central to whatever direction taken.
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) cannot survive. It was designed to achieve a deceptive result by limiting the research to only human causes of climate change. They effectively made reform or change impossible because each set of Reports is cumulative. That is, each Report simply adds new information to a very limited number of variables. The reality is you can only determine the human impact by knowing and understanding all the variables and mechanisms of natural climate. Most of the public think the IPCC look at climate and climate change in total and IPCC participants and promoters did nothing to dissuade them of that error. This is part of the proof that IPCC creators had a singular political objective for which natural variability was a problem. Without the political objective there is no need for a government agency like the IPCC even to determine natural climate and climate change.
Maurice Strong set up the IPCC through the UN World Meteorological Organization (WMO). This organization is comprised of weather bureaucrats from every UN member nation. They created, controlled, and promoted the IPCC agenda so that politicians had no choice, as Strong intended. This, and President Obama’s use of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), are proof that bureaucracies must not have control going forward. Their role must be as passive collectors and disseminators of data. They should not be involved in research. This was a major part of the problem with the IPCC and weather office involvements. Scientific bureaucrats are automatically compromised by their career being subject to the whim and will of their political bosses. Skepticism, the very hallmark of science, is automatically stifled in such a hierarchical structure.
Global warming was chosen by those setting up the IPCC because they needed something they could claim was a global threat. It was a subset of Maurice Strong’s objective as Elaine Dewar determined after spending five days with him at the UN.
Strong was using the U.N. as a platform to sell a global environment crisis and the Global Governance Agenda.”
Strong and his allies created a global threat that they then used to argue could only be resolved by a world government. That is not necessary as long as all the data is available to everyone so that any group can deal with local, regional, hemispheric or global weather and climate. Smaller groups offset the paradox of the ability for a few people to dominate with bigger groups. Smaller groups also accommodate the fact that different regions have markedly different geography and climate so the concerns and needs are different.
These differences were exploited by the IPCC. For example, the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment Report (ACIA) was prepared and controlled by a few people associated with Environment Canada (EC) who were able to present a very false picture. Despite this it became the definitive study for the entire section on Arctic climate in the IPCC Reports. People from other regions did not know about the errors or problems and so I was easily marginalized when I asked questions. The climate and problems of Australia are not the problems of Northern Canada. Indeed, they are not even the same for southern and northern Australia.
The WMO has a role to play and it was defined by Hubert Lamb as his reason for establishing the Climatic Research Unit (CRU).
“…it was clear that the first and greatest need was to establish the facts of the past record of the natural climate in times before any side effects of human activities could well be important.
The only role for WMO and all national weather offices is creation of a dense standardized grid of data collection stations including as many existing viable stations as possible. This should be integrated with the satellite data collection program. WMO will store the data and make it available at no charge to any person or group. This should include all proxy data, including everything from ice cores to tree rings to weather diaries. These agencies should only collect, store, and disseminate data. They should not do any research or forecasting. These are better left to the academic world or private enterprise as companies like Accuweather or individuals like Piers Corbyn demonstrate. It is hard to think of an area where successful results will more directly affect the viability of an enterprise than weather and climate forecasting. Indeed, a major part of the problem with government doing the job is it didn’t matter how often they were wrong there was no accountability or incentive to improve.
Besides taking the politics out of weather and climate science these changes will save money. The billions going to politically directed and useless climate change research will more than cover the data collection requirement.
It must begin with a campaign to offset the hysteria deliberately created by the founders and acolytes of the IPCC. This must be a joint campaign led by the US and any other like minded nation. At the Heritage Climate Conference one of the most effective speakers who understood the science and who confronted the challenge was Corbin Robinson Jr,, principal of Quintana Capital Group, from Texas. He said,
The coming climate science battle will also involve PowerPoints. Those who have doubts about whether humans are causing the planet to warm must develop bullet points of information easily digestible for public consumption to counteract the current climate science, the type that the average person can understand, …it was time for a broader outreach to counteract the notion that carbon dioxide from emissions was harming the planet. “I’m here with a call to action to you guys; it’s time to go on offense,” he said. “Develop a series of newspaper foldouts, develop a series of newspaper foldouts that explain CO2s, life on Earth and its beneficial effect on plant life. CO2 always was and always will be.”
This was the theme of my speech at the first Heartland Climate Conference in New York. It was also the major thrust of my involvement in establishing the Friends of Science in Calgary and the Galileo Movement in Australia. It is a challenge because the majority of the public, some 80 percent, are Arts students. I know what is needed after 25 years reaching a Science credit course for Arts students. I also know from giving hundreds of public lectures over 40 years, but especially from working with people in primary resource industries including forestry, fisheries and agriculture. The latter included writing a monthly column for Country Guide, the largest circulation Canadian farm magazine for 17 years and then an ongoing column for The Landowner since 2010. Hundreds of radio programs and most recently seven one hour Skype programs with Romanian TV. A producer contacted me after investigating the climate issue. He discovered that the Romanian people were only getting the IPCC view and he determined they should hear what they are not told.
I warned him that presenting this information was potentially dangerous. He said it was more important people know the all the science. My warning was because it is likely that my three lawsuits are related to my activities. Voltaire said
“It is dangerous to be right when people in authority are wrong.”
Many were unsure if the people in authority were finally right. Trump’s meetings with carbon footprint hypocrites Al Gore and Leonardo DiCaprio, seemed to signal something different. All this was put to rest with the appointment of Myron Ebell of the Competitive Enterprise Institute and Scott Pruitt as head of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Conversations and information gleaned at the Heritage Climate Conference on Thursday assures me accurate climate science is in charge. The challenge is to deprogram the people, remove the exploitive agencies and rules they created, and set up a system that is as free of politics as possible.
As with all my articles, nothing is cast in stone. It is my summary of what has gone on and what I think is required going forward. It is written in the context of what is needed, namely open forums at which all ideas are given voice. From that collective wisdom we are most likely to get the best answers. It is in the spirit of the final stage of the American Revolution in which the people have access to information through the Internet. They can bypass the mainstream media, who have always acted as propagandists for the elites, to let the leaders know what they think.
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Tim Ball’s speciality: paid propaganda that bears no resemblance to reality.
You and your ilk ill be judged very harshly.
For a cheap shot back, “Tony mcleod”–The N a z i were big greens, and animal rights activists. May the green blob suffer the same fate.
Probably some correlation to the natural variation in temperatures and a fluke double peak at both poles.



Bryan from Climate Concerns is monitoring CFSR temperatures in real-time – the charts below are current as of yesterday. Note there was a super-El-Nino which takes some months to fully impact all regions it does impact.
Antarctic was cold for most of the year but there has been a recent bump. The Arctic has been warmer but then got colder in August which probably led to the earlier-than normal peak of the ice-melt this year. Recently, quite warm as the cold air has moved to Siberia and now North America.
Globally, temperatures peaked at the end of February, 2016 (3 months after the peak of the super-El-Nino which I have been drumming about for 10 years now) and temperatures are finally starting to go down to Zero anomaly now.
The two fastest warming places on the planet – the Antarctic Peninsula and Svalbard. (note these are raw data sources and are not adjusted by the NCDC).
Just looks like a LOT of natural variability to me.
So, now global warming is to be measured by global sea ice? Good one. All this chart shows is that 2016 is an anomalous year.
And, boy, your data goes ALL THE WAY BACK to 1978. Heck. That is before many of the young believers were even born! Ancient history, dude. Well, I guess that settles the question. CO2 is causing global warming. What else could it be. You and your ilk understand all other variables which impact sea ice and only CO2 can be responsible. Does your ilk talk to God?
My ilk is not impressed.
My ilk would like your ilk to send their best to a debate about climate change with a good skeptic. So far, no takers.
“My ilk would like your ilk to send their best to a debate about climate change with a good skeptic. So far, no takers.”
My ilk are done debating with your ilk. We are taking action, not sitting around debating.
There is of course now a detailed collection of all sea ice data going back to 1850.
There is an immense amount of such data…
and it shows that the lowest point of the 1930s to 1940s was almost certainly no lower than 2006.
For a decade we’ve been seeing low arctic sea beyond anything in the last century.
further, for a decade one or more of the NW Passage routes has been open, completely ice free to all classes of ship without ice breaker assistance.
all previous passages were multi season and/or with icebreaker assistance (possibly one freak passage in 1930s).
You can (misleadingly) claim the NW passage was open before, but you cannot point to any 10 year period of it being completely open
How anyone can claim this is not a change in climate and it cannot be related to climate change is beyond me.
I don’t see any other possible interpretation: if it is a ‘cycle’ what makes this a cycle with a decade of lower values than the last cycle, with a decade of an open NW passage not seen before?
co2islife
Are you suggesting those pictures of the submarines at the north pole mean the poles had melted, or had less ice than today? If so you are misleading again.
“When submarines of the U.S. Navy made expeditions to the North Pole in the 1950s and 60s, there was a significant concern about surfacing through the thick pack ice of the Arctic Ocean. In 1962, both the USS Skate and USS Seadragon surfaced within the same, large polynya near the North Pole, for the first polar rendezvous of the U.S. Atlantic Fleet and the U.S. Pacific Fleet.[7]”
What you fail to understand is that 2016 is not an “anomalous year”. It’s not even the new normal.
“Chris December 11, 2016 at 8:43 am
My ilk are done debating with your ilk. We are taking action, not sitting around debating.”
You are sitting around taking action from your armchair, but certainly not debating. Funny post there Chris!
In Griffs world, the log reports of a couple of ships sailing near the edges of the ice are equivalent to satellites measuring the entire arctic.
Do you honestly think a 3 to 5 ppm CO2 change between 2015 and 2016 can cause that change? I’/m not even challenging the validity of your chart, I’m accepting it as accurate. Do you, as an assumed thinking adult, honestly think the marginal increase in CO2 and its marginal increase in W/M^2 could possibly cause such a large change in global sea ice? 2016 was a huge El Nino year. Worse yet, there is no mechanism by which CO2 would ever allow for a rebound in that ice…which will happen later this year and next. I’m not a climate scientists, but I’d bet my life savings that next year that sea ice will rebound. If CO2 wasn’t the cause, that is the logical expectation. If El Nino was the cause, and an El Nina follows, the rebound in that ice would be expected.
If my expectations prove correct, then it is:
and I would include dangerously gullible and easily fooled and misguided.
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http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/images/g/OFgAAOSwmmxW5UAO/s-l225.jpg
What about the USS Nautilus and the USS Skate that surfaced at the North Pole in the late 1950s.
http://www.divediscover.whoi.edu/arctic/images/timeline-skate.jpg
If I remember correctly, the late John Daly had an article on this.
The first picture here taken by the Shackleton Expedition in January 1915, right next to current location of McMurdo. Lots of open water.

The second picture is taken from the McMurdo Webcam just a few seconds ago. Frozen solid.
I think real pictures are the only way we can be certain about past climate conditions now that the warmists just rewrite history.
And this is an animation over the last 32 years of the big ice-shelf right next door to McMurdo, the Ross Ice-Shelf, which has grown very, very considerably since 1984. McMurdo is just to the left of this image cutoff.
Again, this is taken like a “real” picture and has not be illustrated like so much of climate science is today.
https://earthengine.google.com/timelapse/#v=-78.97522,-172.3322,4.029,latLng&t=3.24
I went to the other side and found McMurdo and the edge of the Ross Ice-Shelf. McMurdo and Shackleton’s base are right in the middle of this animation. Ross Ice-Shelf on the right side.
https://earthengine.google.com/timelapse/#v=-78.97522,-172.3322,4.029,latLng&t=3.24
Sorry it looks like they have disabled the imbed function at earth engine google timelapse. Type McMurdo into the search bar and then zoom back a little to see Ross Ice-shelf as well.
Will you stop posting inconvenient facts!!! /sarc off
Interesting graphs, but what we see here is not so much a trend of any kind but only that 2016 is a clear outlier. How would that be explained by the slow, steady trend of rising CO2? All you have proved here is that you have difficulty making sense of data.
Here is a possible explanation Michael.
A small amount of extra energy is being retained because of the added GHG. Ice takes a lot of energy to melt (without changing it’s temperature). Some of the extra energy being retained has been going into just thinning the ice, reducing its volume and its extent. Both of which are happening.
Melting ice is consuming less and less energy – because there is less ice – the ‘unused’ energy can now all go towards increasing temperature increasing the rate of melt.
The entire Arctic is not going to ‘flash-melt like a small pond on a warm spring morning, it will take a couple of summers. A time-lapse from 2000 – 2020 will show it. It’s happening on that graph right now.
El nino/la nina does not explain it because after the the strong 1998 event there was no such following outlier. And it doesn’t look much like some random variation to me, so we can’t even shove it into the ‘chaos’ basket.
Got a better explanation.
Actually, calling it an “outlier” is not accurate. That implies the ice is going to obediently bounce back to the 30 year average next year and it’ll be business as usual. It’s a real pity, but the results say it is heading in the other direction.
All other graphs lie within the band that represents +/- 2 standard deviations from the mean, or very close to it. The 2016 graph lies all by itself, some 5-6 standard deviations away, and you divine that it is not an outlier? You can’t be serious.
If you absolutely must be trolling us, at least be so good as to no accuse others of supplying “paid propaganda” with absolutely no proof.
You don’t actually know the technical definition of the term “outlier” do you, Tony?
“tony mcleod December 11, 2016 at 3:13 pm
A small amount of extra energy is being retained because of the added GHG.”
With that, you have lost any credibility. Nothing is being retained (Or did you mean trapped?). Fail!
paid propaganda that bears no resemblance to reality.
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nonsense. there are a near infinite number of proxies available for climate. you can support any conclusion, depending upon which ones you present. that is pseudo-science. phrenology.
the only thing in science that truly matters is the absence of contradiction. if you cannot find a single example that disputes your hypothesis, even from people that want to disprove your hypothesis, then maybe you are onto something.
climate science is not even close. the so called greenhouse effect doesn’t even happen in real greenhouses.
Tony McLeod, it is high time for you to stop using carbon, no more heating your home, no more flying, no more using electricity, no more driving, you must take action and lead the way, set an example, get on it!
You’re mistaking moralising with science. I’m no saint, I burn more than my fair share. I’m not telling you how to live, I’m just describing the evidence as I see it.
And if 2017 intersects “normal” in early 2017, should we judge you harshly, Tony?
Let’s give it until September. I sincerely hope we get a huge extent growth. If we do I’ll be a happy fool.
“You and your ilk ill be judged very harshly.”
Actually that’s you mendacious scammers Tony.
Get used to it.
Nice bit of history by Dr Ball.
The real problem is selling/teaching the opposing case to people who, for whatever reason, just do not pay attention to the details of an argument. “Oh, that’s just your opinion” with the subtext of “you annoying geek/grind/ sellout/vendido”, and a large percentage of the population has that attitude. While that sort of “low information voter” attitude, to use Rush Limbaugh’s term, can be overcome, doing so is very difficult.
The “social sciences” are mostly not really “science” in their attitudes, mostly, but are nevertheless very important in the political and psychological case of why a social and political mass movement like the green blob operates and has had such important consequences.
I think attacking the greens on their elitist attitudes, that the peons should be kept in an environment straight out of “1984”, Third World misery, or conveniently dead, is the best way to appeal to those they regard as peons. By the way, the self-styled elites regard most people as peons (and wish to keep them in that status). Making the true argument that the “saviors of the planet” wish to raise the voters electric rates several hundred percent for no measurable gain is probably the sort of thing that would get more traction than any of the details why that statement is true.
When the IPCC deliberately orients itself to only study the climate from the perspective of human inputs, it has pre-corrupted itself. Even when the research they sponsor and endorse is factually true, it was done only to advance the broader lie. That lie is not scientific but ideological: that human Utopia is possible only when humans stop burning hydrocarbons to heat and cool their homes, to store their food, to drive their cars and to move goods quickly.
All proposed “climate change” solutions converge on socialism, which philosopher R.T. Allen tells us is directly traceable back to ancient Gnosticism. That religion teaches that humanity can be returned to our rightful place in the heavens when we finally achieve sufficient knowledge.
“The more we come to know about the gnosis of antiquity, the more it becomes certain that modern movements of thought, such as progressivism, positivism, Hegelianism, and Marxism, are variants of gnosticism.”
— Eric Voegelin, Science Politics and Gnosticism, Two Essays, 1968.
The problem with Gnosticism is that someone has to finance it.
Gnostics “teach that gnosis may be reached by practicing philanthropy to the point of personal poverty, sexual abstinence and diligently searching for wisdom by helping others”.
While activists may talk like a duck they certainly don’t do the walk. GK
“As with all my articles, nothing is cast in stone. It is my summary of what has gone on and what I think is required going forward. It is written in the context of what is needed, namely open forums at which all ideas are given voice. From that collective wisdom we are most likely to get the best answers.”
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very laudable.
why then do you support Trumps defunding of climate research.
Surely someone has to do climate research.
and surely someone has to pay for the research.
Perhaps you advocate armchair scientists to provide the wisdom:
i.e.
those that say co2 was much higher in the past then show a plot going back a few hundred million years, but they still refuse to accept temperatures going back a few hundred years
those that use only the temperature sequence (RSS) that backs their view despite the provider of RSS says this version is faulty.
Those that boast no major US hurricane landfalls – totally ignoring destruction elsewhere.
Those that make statement without showing valid research
LOL…dang…you left out Trump’s the antichrist and the rest are racist
“why then do you support Trumps defunding of climate research.
Surely someone has to do climate research.”
Oh, most certainly.
But unlike the current lot such as Hansen, Mann, Jones et al, they need to be honest researchers, not alarmist propagandists in the pay of the likes of Al Gore and the Clintons.
“why then do you support Trumps defunding of climate research.
Surely someone has to do climate research.
and surely someone has to pay for the research.”
Trump hasn’t said he would defund climate research. Got any evidence saying otherwise?
Trump will no doubt reorient climate research, but he’s not going to stop it. Do you think he is just going to ban it?
I’m guessing that you believe that
1) Only the US government does climate research
2) That NASA is the only US agency that does such climate research
Let me see if I have this straight, you don’t care that for most of the history of this earth, CO2 and temperature show no correlation, because over the last 200 years they show a very weak correlation?
Total cyclonic energy has been falling for the last decade. That’s a fact.
What is next for climate will be dictated in large part on what the climate does in the next few years.
I think cooling is now going on and I state some of my thinking below.
Solar is now at very low levels and if it stays at these levels climate impacts should materialize.
I believe weak magnetic fields both solar/geo magnetic fields dictate the climate trends to a significant degree.
As I have said (I think) the days of AGW theory being viable are going to end as global cooling which began earlier this year will continue to evolve. First stage was the ending of El Nino and one can see OLR increasing now as a result of this.
My solar theory in one sentence is– Extremely low solar conditions that are persistent will push the terrestrial items which control the climate toward modes which will result in the albedo of the earth to increase therefore promoting cooling.
The 500 mb level in the N.H. seems to be showing an overall cooling trend of late. What I want to see is for this trend to continue but for the poles to be warm relative to the lower latitudes at this level.
This time in the climate is at a crossroads to my way of thinking and this next 6 to 12 months could be very telling.
I also like the overall snow coverage in the N.H. and it looks like it will be going more above average within the next few days, from a level very slightly above average as of today.
Sea surface temperatures overall are on the decline as far as I can tell.
Apologies if this has been covered, but I would add one more restriction to the recorders of climate data: That they not be permitted, unilaterally, to make “adjustments” to their own data. Particularly to hide or reverse inconvenient trends.
But I would suggest one year be allowed the original author to correct / revise the data before it is permanently “blessed.”
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch10s10-3-5-6.html
Just one of the flaws in what the models have predicted for the climate in the future due to AGW.
The opposite is occurring, as the AO has been trending negative due to low solar conditions.
In addition the tropospheric hot spot has never materialize and OLR has not decrease. These two items and the other one being pillars of AGW theory, all of which have failed to come about.
This alone should be enough to show how flawed this theory is, and say it is wrong.
“In addition the tropospheric hot spot has never materialize”
The alarmists predicted a hot spot and there is no hotspot. Conclusion: The alarmists are wrong about extra CO2 creating a hotspot. Back to the drawing board.
What is left for the IPCC after the last one? they stated “very likely that warming is human caused – 95 percent.
Will they go higher in the next one? How do they save face? Can you expect them to correct anything?
Our only hope lies with Trump.
Thank you indeed. We Federal retirees witnessed the entire “scam”. And we will tell you the truth. No agendas. No Grant $$. Only honesty.
Tell alls may be fun, as there is a lot of all to tell.
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Rob
Thank you for your truthfulness. WE the people all know that the government make great effort to “hide the truth” because WE cannot take the truth. When it all comes out in the wash, WE may need to revisit every scientific research that has been done and is being done. The Government agencies will not do it because it would be hard for them to “forget” their mistakes. Only individuals that have knowledge of the abuse will be able to do it. Please remember that whole statement about draining the swamp. Those gators do not care when they are hungry.
Don’t hold your breath. It will not take them long to come up with another racket.
This is a great chart to make the argument AGAINST AGW. The warmists are making the claim that man made CO2 is causing the shrinking of the global sea ice. Next year this ice will rebound, I’m nearly 100% certain of that now that the El Nino is over. What will the warmists then claim? That man made CO2 caused the sea ice to rebound? The very data that they publish is the best ammunition against their cause.

http://assets.climatecentral.org/images/made/7_23_15_Andrea_ElNinocomparison_1050_590_s_c1_c_c.jpg
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20010918/sea_ice.jpg_1.jpg
I hate sock puppets.
The place to start (draining the cult of CAGW swamp) is a power point presentation that shows the history obvious manipulation of GISS.
GISS was altered to eliminate the warming period in the early part of the 20th century and of course increasing the temperatures post 1980. The GISS manipulation were done to create a hockey stick.
The GISS manipulation cannot be defended scientifically. The satellite data does not agree with GISS.
The fact that GISS has manipulated supports the assertion the IPCC reports analysis/conclusion is false. There is no CAGW problem to solve.
The recent reduction in sea ice is due to solar wind bursts caused by massive coronal holes.
The solar wind bursts create a space charge differential in the ionosphere which in turn causes a current to flow which causes changes in the amount of cloud cover and changes cloud parameter in high latitude regions and in the equatorial region. The mechanism is called electroscavenging.
The solar coronal holes are starting to dissipate. As GCR (GCR is the stupid confusing name Galactic Cosmic Rays, there are not rays, mostly high speed protons, which strike the earth’s atmosphere and create MUONs which then create ions in the atmosphere) is the highest in recorded history for this time in the solar cycle, when the coronal hole caused solar wind bursts abate, the high latitude regions of the planet will again cool.
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/iphone/images/iphone.anomaly.global.png
Supposing it doesn’t rebound?
and why has it repeatedly been low in the last decade such that it has been able to rebound?
AMO and PDO were in warm phase. Ice levels always drop when that happens.
“Supposing it doesn’t rebound?”
So what?
If the Arctic icecap reduces substantially it will shorten sea journeys and open up access to the oil and gas in that part of the World.
What’s not to like?
What hideous catastrophes do you think will befall, as a matter of interest?
edmh December 11, 2016 at 3:28 am
The tipping point in the Holocene has already occurred at about 1000BC. Since then cooling has occurred at 20 times the rate of the pervious 7000 years. The last millennium 1000AD – 2000AD was the coldest so far of our happy interglacial.
From previous experience the end of of the Holocene is overdue. Global cooling could well begin to accelerate further this century, next century or this millennium.
The sun is descending into a truly quiet phase similar to the Little Ice Age could signal either a cold interlude (quite bad enough for Man-kind and the biosphere) or the escalation to the end our our Interglacial with all the adverse effects that implies: See
https://edmhdotme.wordpress.com/2015/06/01/the-holocene-context-for-anthropogenic-global-warming-2/
Great post dr Ball,again. Here.s my two cents. Ipcc lied. The first scientists report found no agw. Report was written by policy makers of ipcc who changed report to meet an agenda. There is no concensus. Co2 lags warming by 600 yrs. Mike manns hockey stick , climategate emails prove collusion,………
I have very seriously watched coastal weather forecasting since being in Hurricane Donna in 1960 and very much appreciate the enormous, but still with its uncertainties, improvements. Also, it is not just climate research and education that has been compromised, as another example biodiversity, which was introduced, to some large extent, as another advocacy saving the earth sort of thing. Too many biologists, among other professionals, especially celebrity types with the aid of a press looking for crises, put advocacy/activism ahead of science. I would like to see AAAS, NAS or somebody look at college curricula, especially those of non-major science, and identify the extent of the problem. It is probably similar to journalism where doing “good” is too often more important than precision and accuracy. Not the best analogy, but the “perfect” astrophysicists looking at an approaching asteroid should be more interested in its angular momentum than their own impending mortality. And if they were lucky their data would be more useful.
There is nothing wrong with the surface temperature data, which is why I predict the new administration will attempt to shut down collecting it without investigation… an admission it undermines their point of view.
we have already had the independently funded Berkley Earth project look at the surface temp data and uphold it as valid – in particular this proved no undue influence from the ‘urban heat island effect’
further, the current state of the arctic means the arctic sea ice is undoubtedly going to have a dramatic new low during the Trump administration.
Its all very well showing how a few subs can find a hole they can break through in the shifting ice -but when there is clear blue water between the pole and the Russian coast, such that anyone can sail the whole distance in a sub, Viking ship or one of those pedal boats you get in amusement parks…
(Hudson Bay is still 90% unfrozen and there is still no ice around Svalbard. The ice in the Chuckchi Sea (I still can’t spell that!) retreated between the 3rd and the 9th of December…)
” But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it”
BEST’s paper was rejected by every major scientific journal. Mueller had to pay to have it published on a Indian internet website\journal which is now under criminal investigation.. Mueller was also got lying about his views on climate change prior to the study, and went on a PR campaign before the paper was published or peer reviewed.
I don’t think that’s the case.
This contains an account of the publishing history
http://blogs.nature.com/news/2012/07/amid-criticism-berkeley-earth-extends-record-upholds-findings.html
“There is nothing wrong with the surface temperature data,”
Still making stuff up, Grifffie?
Your mummy will be cross.
My late mother was all her life a great advocate of telling the truth and bearing witness to what you believe is true.
“My late mother was all her life a great advocate of telling the truth and bearing witness to what you believe is true.”
I’m sure everyone’s mother is/was. Mine was. But that’s irrelevant.
If there was nothing wrong with the surface temp data, why all the adjustments? Why the different categorizations of 1-5 in station quality?
BTW, Hitler stood up for what he believed was true, too. (Yes I went there) Just because you believe and want it to be true, doesn’t make it so.
Jeff, that’s why there is nothing wrong with the surface temperature data. It’s been “fixed” to remove all the problems.
“There is nothing wrong with the surface temperature data, which is why I predict the new administration will attempt to shut down collecting it without investigation… an admission it undermines their point of view.”
Ridiculous.
The arctic ice melted a lot during the 1998 El Nino, too.
Having grown up just south of Buffalo New York, I’ve experienced “lake effect” snow. What would an open Arctic do?
@ur momisugly Griff
December 11, 2016 at 8:55 am: Believe me says Griffbot, I’m a Banker and I’m always right. Also don’t worry, the coming crash won’t happen this time, it’s different. Shush now, Mann knows best, children……
NWP open? Sure. Off you go then, see ya.
For real data, there’s ” No tricks Zone’ and ‘ http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html” for starters, where the 97% who are c.65 are laid bare. Ooh, it’s cold out there.
I’m a banker? If only I knew… I seem to be missing all those bonuses…
Notrickszone constantly misrepresents the data.
and its warm, warm, warm (compared to what it is supposed to be!) in the arctic
“There is nothing wrong with the surface temperature data”
Maybe there is, maybe there isn’t. But there IS a problem with presenting a single number as a “global temperature”. It’s physically meaningless and tells us nothing about climate.
Why do you say that Jeff? Can’t a doctor take your temperature and have it mean something? I’d say an average global temperature tells us quite a bit – especially if it changing rapidly.
“especially if it changing rapidly.”
Which it isn’t, of course…
You really don’t know the difference between a core temperature and a surface temperature? And you really don’t know about Intensive Properties?
As far as changing rapidly, you need some glasses.
So all the reports showing huge problems with the surface temperature data don’t matter to you.
As always, anything that can be “fixed” to support your religion must be the true data.
Dr. Ball – good article, full of optimism for the near term future (and please keep reiterating the Maurice Strong story). I want to join in the cheering, but I just don’t know. The opposition is very powerful and isn’t just going to say “sorry” and go home. The opposition::
1 is well funded with groups like Greenpeace, and its billionaire friends
2 has totally co-opted the mainstream media
3 has no respect for the truth, has no interest in the truth
4 in fact, deliberately propagates untruths to further its agenda
5 still has friends in many national and sub-national governments
6 is now very worried
7 has no moral scruples at all (end justifies means)
8 has millions of followers prepared to sacrifice themselves for the cause
9 is going to go on the offensive
10 is preparing for an unprecedented campaign of alarmist propaganda
11 will use unceasing character-assassination against the Trump administration
12 no holds will be barred, and no tricks will be too dirty (based on past conduct)
OK – points 9, 10, 11 and 12 are my guesses. I would love to be wrong, but really – hope for the best, and prepare for the worst.
To us who hang out here, the climate issue is very important. We are (mostly anyway) seekers for the truth and we’re bitterly offended by the way truth has been abused by the alarmist movement in furtherance of an agenda that’s mostly hidden. But president-elect Trump has plenty of other issues to deal with. So far, it looks good for climate, but the battle is not yet won, nor is the war over. Not by a long shot.
Amen
“Strong and his allies created a global threat that they then used to argue could only be resolved by a world government.”
I really don’t think they want a world government, and I never have.
It makes a good scare story, but in realpolitik terms there is being in charge, and there is being responsible. I think the UN is mostly interested in the good old goal of power without responsibility. They want the national governments to actually *run* the world, while deferring to the UN whenever it wants them to.
Hence global warming. They could never be held *responsible* for climate change. But when the world doesn’t end up underwater by 2050, they can take credit…
When someone states that they want a one world government, with themselves in charge, I’m inclined to believe them.
For the record: Being a farmer, I have followed weather forecasting in New Zealand for over 40 years. Of late (last few years) the NZ Metservice have have been particularly accurate in their forecasts down to predicting within hours when showers and wind direction change, days in advance. It is not an easy country in which to forecast, what with there being multiple zones in which weather can be quite different. Their long-term forecasts (up to 3 months) are pretty darn good as well. They have my utmost respect and appreciation. They don’t get involved in climate discussions. If you want to know about forecasting accuracy talk to those that work the land, not the townies.
The weather forecasting models are getting much more accurate. I think people can rely on them out to 14 days or so now. They are always off by let’s say 50 kms but that is it really (the system was supposed to hit you head on but it ended hitting head-on at 50 kms south of you, that kind of thing).
Yep, Bill. In my case I am at an extreme boundary of my provincial zone as defined by the service. I use a neighbouring zone forecast which is more accurate. The centre of my official zone is around 50 KM away
Dr Ball is asking for help to deprogram the masses. I’m game. Is there a set of sequenced videos or power points that best deprograms Arts students ?
Hi Knute,
somewhere above I have alredy stated some points how to work on this:
“It’s not only about power point. It’s also about finding a common core. Alarmists and skeptics both very often argue with extreme statements.
Calling a CAGW believer a fool or something like that will certainly produce some bad hormones, causing the “fight or flight” state. We really know so little about climate and its better to search a neutral area to start with, or areas where both sides can agree with.
Then there is the lengthiness of the most skeptics videos. Even for me it’s often boring to go through.
We just have to think how to get videos viral. And to make short clips with a message that is exiting and creating a true interest to watch additional stuff.
Another problem is that climate skeptic stuff often is combined with other conservative or right views. You cannot convince somebody by expecting to swallow all thing at once.
And the there a lot of skeptical arguments which are simply not true, like DrRoySpencer.com points out:
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/04/skeptical-arguments-that-dont-hold-water/
To convince others we have to be friendly, precise and concise. And to have a lot of endurance. It would be a great thing to work on this, but I have some doubt that the skeptic community will agree to. I just have heard enough angry, name-calling skeptical rant about non-believers.”
Yes, I would work on this task also. I think I have the ability to write in a simple and neutral way about climate topics.
It woud be good to find some guys as a task force for producing power points, video-clips, flyers, etc. It would be good even to make some booklets say 10 to 20 pages for those who don’t read so much and those who need some material for discussions and arguments. There are still a lot of folks, who don’t use the internet and still are relying on the mass media.
I actually wrote a number of simple articles in German at my Blog
Klimawandler.blogspot.de
and I’starting do do so in English. And sure, it could be improved.
So how to go on?
Yes … how to go on. I read your webpage. Thank you for the reply. There is tremendous value in what has already been used by un yourself and the likes of Dr Ball. What hasn’t been done is a sort of sentiment analysis …. which arguments demonstrations of a point garner the most positive result.
I am aware of but don’t have the tools myself to measure such a thing. This is s what was done during the Trump campaign using Cambridgeanalytica.Com data and real time testing via Facebook and Twitter … but mostly twitter.
Another outfit in Texas tracked the message sentiment. I forgot the name.
IMO leaders on this discourse would benefit greatly in expanding what works by KNOW ING what works and they CAN KNOW what works by tracking sentiment on social media using for instance daily threads pumped over a hashtag or dedicated account.
I don’t have access to these tracking services but I’m sure a few bright lights may know someone who does and would be interested in expanding what was a successful political approach to this transitioning agw issue.
Thinking out loud
My benchmark for how thoroughly intelligent, well-educated, and well-meaning individuals can delude themselves (especially when money is on the table) is the “Facilitated Communication” movement that was exposed in the 1993 PBS Frontline report “Prisoners of Silence”. We can look upon the climate change true believers with the same compassion and gentle reprogramming that facilitated communicators needed when their world crashed in on them with the proof that there was no scientific basis for their claims. There will be more tears shed in EPA offices than at Hillery election night rallies. “It is easier to fool people than to convince people they’ve been fooled” – Mark Twain
Here’s a 14-minute excerpt of the PBS program; the entire program is recommended as you will never forget it and often see examples of the same mental phenomenon thereafter: https://youtu.be/Dqhlv0UZUwY
Thanks for that link. I remember that study and I also remember how desperately ppl hung onto the “belief”. We are a silly little bunch of primates but perhaps our weaknesses provide an opportunity for positive change. The famous Asch experiment demonstrous how easily we primates monkey see monkey do. It ALSO shows how just one supporting dissenter allows the dissenter to break free from the groupthink. https://youtu.be/FnT2FcuZaYI
I think Dr Ball sees an opportunity here. If just a few more real life engagers go on road tours like he has they will by default present themselves as supporting dissenters to those who are curious enough to dissent but pressured by the in group bias pressure as demonstrated by Asch.
The current political movement presents an opportunity to speak freely with diminished fear of reprisal. Folks like Ball fought hard to claim this turf. I’m interested in learning what works best for them and pushing the ground gained.
I’m not as worried about the mob because as Hoffer describes … the followers follow the leaders.
This is an important opportunity. Would be a shame to blow it.
Corbin Robinson Jr may well have exhorted his audience to ‘take up arms’, but the evidence of them having done so is conspicuous by its absence. Much of the heavy lifting in the skeptosphere still seems to have been done by largely unpaid volunteers like Anthony Watts, JoNova, Judith Curry, Andrew Montford, to name but a few.
Big oil, coal,gas etc have kept their heads firmly below the parapets, whatever Greenpeace may allege.
Or ‘volunteers’ paid by the like of the Koch brothers and Exxon?
At least 4 of the EPA landing team come from private think tanks where funding is verifiably from those 2 sources… and said think tanks have been churning out skeptic points of view…
you cannot ignore fossil fuel funding to the opponents of climate science…
Oh no, the boogey man is going to get you.
In Griffies world, if a think tank gets 1% of it’s funding for 1 year from an evil source, that think tank is forever polluted beyond redemption.
The only cure is to swear allegiance to the one true religion and condemn all those you used to work with.
“Maurice Strong set up the IPCC through the UN World Meteorological Organization (WMO). This organization is comprised of weather bureaucrats from every UN member nation. They created, controlled, and promoted the IPCC agenda so that politicians had no choice, as Strong intended.” — I doubt on this statement. IPCC is a political body created by power nations to sub-serve their interests — in fact this I presented in my papers and books on climate change, more than a decade back. The US chose non-weather-climate man as chairman and technical committees were filled with people who have no basic knowledge on weather-climate. Also, WMO has brought out a manual on Climate Change as back as 1966. The authors of this manual were top meteorologists from different member states.
Please look at WMO’s reports published before 1989, before IPCC was created. They are excellent reports prepared by world meteorologists.
Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy
If it wasn’t anthropic global warming it would have been something else but AGW fit the bill almost perfectly as a driver of political agenda.
The problem is not bad statistics, bad science, bad economics, or even bad government. It is bad philosophy. As Robert James Bidinotto puts it:
Why, despite such transparent manipulations of fact and science, and their overt indifference to economics, have environmentalists been winning the battle for the hearts and minds of ordinary people?
Because they’ve never based their appeals primarily on facts, statistics, science, or economics. They rest their case ultimately on ethical and philosophical grounds. Both their appeal and their shamelessness arise from the widespread belief that they are idealists: that they are champions of the Good against the forces of Evil that are sullying and raping a once-virginal planet.
. . .
Critics of environmentalists have seldom understood this, or known how to respond. The best among them have tried to confront environmentalist claims and activities with exposés of their “junk science.” Some try to employ economic arguments, showing the enormous costs that environmentalists are imposing on people and businesses. Other less sophisticated critics try to appeal to the public’s common sense, denouncing environmentalist “extremism.” Sadly, the most futile response in the face of environmental activism – piecemeal appeasement – too often comes from the beleaguered business community.
. . .
None of these responses is working, of course, because they are all beside the point. They don’t address the fundamental concern raised by environmentalists. That concern is about values. It’s about the logical incompatibility of the values underlying a modern, technological, capitalist society, and the values embodied in the environmentalists’ image of Eden.
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You know, all these posts on WWUT demonstrate one thing: they don’t matter to me. All I need to know is that the temperature history is either: an estimate of ice cores or tree rings or some other nonsensical data series OR it is based on thermometer readings which have been caressed and manipulated by scientists. Once I know that, I know that either man-made global warming or non man-made global warming is crap and not worth wasting time on.
The thermometer readings have not been manipulated:
as you can see in the results of research by this independent, skeptic funded group:
http://berkeleyearth.org/summary-of-findings/
Poor little Griffie, he’s going to keep pounding his discredited sources until someone starts to listen to him.
“Science must be central to whatever direction taken.” I agree but once this thing is fully exposed science will suffer a black eye. It will be hard for some in the public to believe scientists. The profession of science, at least in the fields associated with climate, will suffer for the abuse and lies they have foisted on the public.