Josh writes: The Trump effect is already being felt at COP22 – “is it Game Over?” asks Ian Duncan
We can but wait and see. Meanwhile the usual conversations are taking place.
PS for more fun watch Sheila Gunn Reid’s COP22 reports for The Rebel
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You can add ice as snow as fast as you like, but if it melts even quicker the volume will fall Check out the data.
Fortunately help is on the way. See my comment above. There has been a 30% increase in multiyear ice in the Arctic.
Are you aware that it is a fact that the planet cyclically warms and cools, with the warming and cooling correlating to solar cycle changes?
Ya, really. The same regions of the earth (high latitude) warm and then cool in a cycle, correlating to solar cycle changes.
The idiots found the correlation but could not solve the problem of how the sun is changing and how the solar changes are cause cyclic warming and cooling (sometimes roughly every 10,000 years abrupt cooling).
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2003/2003GL017115.shtml
Now, if we can get CHINA to cease emitting gigatons of sulfur dioxide particulates, which inevitably end up as a sub-stratospheric haze which in turn blankets emission of IR from the Arctic all winter long, well… then even the dire total-ice-curves-of-the-Arctic would be resolved. It is NOT the CO₂, folks. Never has been. Its about the rather remarkable effect of atmospheric aerosols, especially of SO₂ (which becomes SO₃)
GoatGuy
Here’s the report card for Greenland ice if you are interested in the detail. Arctic sea ice looking extremely low for the time of year. It could be an interesting season for weather in the Northern hemisphere.
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/greenland_ice_sheet.html
Hard to believe this could happen in a massive El Niño year!?
/undertstatement off
And here are the Greenland highlights if interested. I wonder if Mr Trump will look at them?
Highlights
Melt area in 2015 exceeded more than half of the ice sheet on July 4th for the first time since the exceptional melt events of July 2012, and was above the 1981-2010 average on 54.3% of days (50 of 92 days).
The length of the melt season was as much as 30-40 days longer than average in the western, northwestern and northeastern regions, but close to and below average elsewhere on the ice sheet.
Average summer albedo in 2015 was below the 2000-2009 average over the northwest and above the average over the southwest portion of the Greenland ice sheet. In July, albedo averaged over the entire ice sheet was lower than in 2013 and 2014, but higher than the lowest value on record observed in 2012.
Ice mass loss of 186 Gt over the entire ice sheet between April 2014 and April 2015 was 22% below the average mass loss of 238 Gt for the 2002- 2015 period, but was 6.4 times higher than the 29 Gt loss of the preceding 2013-2014 season.
The net area loss from marine-terminating glaciers during 2014-2015 was 16.5 km2. This was the lowest annual net area loss of the period of observations (1999-2015) and 7.7 times lower than the annual average area change trend of -127 km2.
Wow, one day of melt.
One constant with warmists. They have no notion of how the real world works, and they don’t want to know.
Did you look at the data Mark?
Yes
Funny how inter glacial periods exhibit melting ice. Strange coincidence. Ah…but that would counter the melting ice scare rhetoric. And what is happening with Antarctica? ….and Siberia? Might thee be cherry picking ???
Sorry, your quote lacks some vigor.
As long as there is ice at either pole, we are in a “inter glacial” period…When the ice permanently melts from the poles, we will be at the Human Optimum Temperature…Prove me Wrong !! Increased temperature at the poles is beneficial to ALL Humanity, not a dangerous outcome…Another “Little Ice Age” would be devastating to liberals that believe in CAGW…They will be woefully unprepared because they believed the lies of Obama and Gore..Evolution never stops working…Mother Nature knows best…IMHO,..
The IPCC (source of all wisdom), says that up to (at least) 1.8C is beneficial! But hey, maybe they’d been drinking? God knows they’ve got enough money and it would explain a lot!
Ah yes, Arctic Sea Ice and Greenland ice sheet, the go-to “argument” for warmunists. For when overall temperatures refuse to go their way. If an ice cube melts in the arctic, it must be our fault.
The go to argument is always whatever data is supporting them at the moment. Later this year when arctic sea ice is no longer a “record lows” bum bum bahhhhh, they will switch to some other data point that proves everything is worser than we thought. Then when that data point no longer supports them, they will switch to something else. It’s how they operate.
Bruce, I don’t think the issue here is who’s fault this is, it is about something dramatic which is happening in the Arctic this year. debating whether it is something related to humanity, or something natural is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic as far as I can see. Adaption is what we need to be considering and preparing for what may be a climatically challenging winter. Sadly most of the responses are regarding whether the melt is actually happening despite the clear evidence.
What, specifically, do you want us to do as “adaption,” Gareth?
Dave, adaption depends on what the problem is. The melting of the Arctic may bring floods, snow, gales, we don’t know. However if we take the example of floods which have severely damaged the UK over the last few years, we need to invest in flood defences. If it’s cold, we need to insulate houses where vulnerable people live and make sure they are warm. Essentially it’s clear that Arctic melting may well bring more severe weather to areas such as the UK which have enjoyed many years of mild wet unchallenging climates.
We need to monitor, invest and be prepared to act. Arguing about who’s fault it is is such a fruitless exercise. The thing about this blog in which I have been a poster for some years, is how unconcerned people are about a remarkable climate event which is currently evolving.. I’m trying to get people who are interested in climate change to see what is happening here and now and what the implications may be.
I agree with you, Gareth: Man should (I hate that word) prepare for the weather events that have plagued us from the get-go. Often we don’t, and nothing is going to change those social and economic facts.
I’m not to the point where I would classify recent trends in the Arctic as a “climate event.” Give it five-to-ten years, then evaluate. It appears an approximate 60-year climate cycle is in operation.
You need to calm down about the Arctic, then. Take a chill pill. Nothing “dramatic” is happening in the Arctic that has happened before. It’s a non-problem, just like the whole “global warming” issue is.
Gareth, I will try to explain it to you gently…When Sea Ice melts, it has ZERO affect on the sea level…IT IS A FLOATING ICE CUBE, the volume of the sea stays the same….
Marcus, only you are mentioning sea level change. Others are mentioning Greenland Ice issues, where melting will cause sea level rise. My point is that the Arctic is melting, and that may have an effect on our climate. I’ll explain this equally gently, try and read the posts before firing from the hip. Otherwise you look silly. 🙂
Bruce-Cobb, Actually, stating that nothing unusual is happening in the Arctic flies in the face of all the evidence and observations. Ignoring facts does not make them go away. Now search the Danish and NASA records. Can you find any precedent ? If not, it’s critical to take your head out of the sand and look at the reality. And by the way, stay off the pills, things may look better,but they are addictive.
Gareth old chap, do you never get fed up of sleeping on a rubber sheet?
Cutting the Global Warming Cult’s funding by 97% sounds about right to me. After cutting their funding, we could increase it in intervals of 0.01% yearly and in the year 2026 claim that this was the “biggest funding year (translation–hottest) evah.
Seems like somebody should attempt to calculate the equilibrium funding sensitivity (EFS) per doubling of Trump time in office (TTO). I’m not sure I have the data necessary to make an informed calculation, but my first SWAG indicates a negative sign to the result…
rip
Josh must be a northerner.
They have this double hand motion, like the green blob here, with hands moving side to side. It indicates concern or worry. Never seen it down south.
Ralph
Have you ever walked across the Clattern bridge on river Hogsmill built way back in 1293 and still in use ? I occasionally do to.
No, but I slept in a Holiday Inn last night so I’m a qualified climate scientist.
Hi Mr. Chip
It was meant as a amendment to Ralfellis’s statement above
Breaking news: Donald Trump has been invited by the prime minister of Fiji to view first hand “the impacts of climate change”. I am sure he will be out on the first available flight. Film at 11.
The shadow in the Josh’s cartoon reminds me of something I saw on Facebook a while back. It was a silhouette of Trump with the caption:
Trump 2016
There will be hell toupee
Louis: “There will be hell toupee”. Nice!!
I think Helena Handcart was also mentioned.
The US has been the “sugar daddy” for far to many global schemes. From the UN on. Time to cut the cord.
(Sometimes the “sugar daddy” hasn’t just supplied dollars but blood.)
I got a Trump email asking to take a survey of the a bunch of items he has listed to do in the first 100 days and taking money away from climate change was on it so I marked the highly important.
This is the link to the survey.
http://rnctrack.hosted.strongview.com/t/ecjba1TyBAEV2cCFcWgaBUK6DR2FtaaaaDIVxBMC34-8a?l=~@wAwGx&n=i7Rw.i.1gnR0_XvRrc.lfv&c=l&o=&0=s-sFsD1qlwUHUjpHguRw1ma21sWl12121qWHVHs&212
Probably run by some agency who most likely will sell name, zip code and email address with all preferences known. Expect to be bombarded by spam and the junk mail for months to come.
I wouldn’t touch it.