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Josh writes: The Trump effect is already being felt at COP22 – “is it Game Over?” asks Ian Duncan
We can but wait and see. Meanwhile the usual conversations are taking place.
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PS for more fun watch Sheila Gunn Reid’s COP22 reports for The Rebel
the Green Blob wet itself. with Trump’s election.
Fascists are soooo reasonable when they are leading you away from the cameras. Smiles and everything. As if they are helping you as they shut you down, shut down your words, shut down your actions, shut down your internet, and soon … shut down your thought processes – just waitin’ on teh technology dude.
We won’t have to put up with those Marc Morano types some day soon, Gaia willin’.
I become more furious every day with what the ‘progressives’ have already done and their stated intentions to do more, and more, and more until we are all drones.
I can’t believe they allowed therebelmedia into Morocco let alone Marrakesh, let alone anywhere near their nepotistic, despotic, apparatchik-fest.
@ Henry Galt. The Rebel did exactly the right thing . They threw the “Human Rights” thing right back into their faces. You can watch the interview Sheila Gunn had with Nutall right here. What a weaselhttp://www.therebel.media/facing_off_with_un_censor_nick_nuttall_at_the_marrakech_climate_conference!
This is what effect Trump had at the Marakech conference – they issued an action proclamation as a direct challenge
The rest of the world is serious about this…
Your list of “credible” sources gets funnier every day!
BIZARRE , would be a better word. 🙂
In India, maybe a bazaar?
And if Trump doesn’t listen up and get right, the Rest of the World is going to hit him with some Really Nasty Posters and make up mean songs!!!
And if that doesn’t work, by golly, they just don’t know what they’ll do.
I actually feel quite sorry for Griff and leftists like him. They actually believe that the things they say mean something. It fits in with all of their crying and wailing this week – those people doing the wailing think that it means something, and that the rest of us will “care” if they just show how “sincere” they are. Here’s a hint, buttercap – all you’re doing is making us laugh even harder.
“The rest of the world is serious about this…”
of course they are , Griff
Could someone please give the little boy a lolly-pop to suck on.!!
If you give him a lollypop his teeth will fall out and he won’t be able to bite properly.
Oh …. wait …. .
The rest of the world’s political elites are serious about “not” fitting real issues like the radicalisation of Islam and so forth. They are real eager to fight straw dogs like climate. Much easier for politicians to do that than actually lead. The US and Britain are finally going to have leaders.
Griff is going through the five steps of denial. These guys have yet to figure out what hit them. I want to claw back several $billion that they stole from us over the last few years.
And how will they PAY for it without US money, griff?
I really hope they don’t come up with ‘my wallet’.
That’s been the answer so far.
The rest of the world is serious about the money they want. Note they STRESS that financing needs to be increased.
Unlikely to happen from the worlds largest donor.
Griff they can take their “climate action proclamation” and shove it sideways up somewhere dark in their nether regions. I am sick to death of these UN enabled bloodsuckers.
Griff! You are a card!
I live in the rest of the world. They dont even care.
The rest of the world is serious about this…
Griff, I think you are a Brit, so it’s possible you don’t know Donald Trump the way we here in the USA do. But you can trust me on this one. Trump doesn’t give a rat’s ass what the rest of the world thinks.
“Trump doesn’t give a rat’s ass what the rest of the world thinks.”
But there are also domestic political realities.
While he was campaigning in Iowa, Trump praised the ethanol farmers. Think they’ll be voten’ for him if he takes away their gravy train?
I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for President NOT Hillary to reverse course on all of the eco-green waste fraud.
Sorry, this goes to Mathew W below. There is no ethanol gravy train. There are no subsidies. There are RINs which punish blenders and reward ethanol plants but that is self funding within the industry as part of the Mandate. Ethanol is the only green program which can stand on its own economically. All of rural America is the beneficiary. Would you rather your gas money buy a new jet for a Saudi prince or a JD corn header made in Moline, IL and sold by the local dealer to a local farmer?
Ignorance pisses me off.
There is no subsidy, but there is the mandate.
The only reason ethanol survives is because consumers are required to buy it.
Yes farmers benefit, but the rest of the country suffers. Those on the receiving end of welfare always benefit.
I don’t know anyone would put ethanol in their gas if they didn’t have to.
Speaking of ignorance, Winnipeg boy, you are showing yours.
Actually, Ethanol is terrible for your engine and your mileage. I hope they kill the mandate.
Winnepeg boy: It is my understanding that ethanol only has about 2/3rds the energy content of gasonline, hence it lowers the motorist’s fuel economy depending on the enthanol content of the gasoline purchased.
And it appears to be still a matter of scientific debate as to whether ethanol production produces a positive, neutral, or negative energy balance. The Wikipedia article below cites some studies that refute the positive energy balance and some that support it.
To Mark W – I’m not required to buy ethanol, even here in California. Where did that idea come from?
Try to buy gas without it.
You don’t have to buy ethanol, what you have to buy is gas that contains an oxygenating agent. The only approved oxygenating agent is ethanol.
The only gasoline I use is High end non ethanol gas . It costs a lot more but the improved mileage and less wear and tear on my beloved HEMI , 4 wheel drive Cherokee over the years is well worth it.
And frankly corn should be food not a “Green” gasoline additive..
I can buy 100% gas any time I want to. Even the blended stuff is labelled up to 10 or 15%, depending. E85, now that’s a horse of another color. So how much is the ‘subsidy’? E85 runs 1.799 a gallon. Blended unleaded with ethanol runs $1.939 for regular, add $0.20 for the mid-grade and $0.20 more for premium, so $2.339 for the 93 octane stuff. The 87 octane 100% gas sells at the premium price.
With all due respect…
Suck it up, buttercup!
Griff is just part of the ‘Lie Swarm’ see link – http://streetwiseprofessor.com/?p=10254 It’s a good read and it applies to the media treatment of CAGW as well as Trump. They coordinate like an evil swarm to spread their lies. They feed their pet reporters the lies, and then the reporters network with their supposed competitors to spread it wide.
The rest of the world is serious about this…
Well yeah…of course they are
We’ve been paying their way all this time..and they are about to get cut off
I suggest they write Trump a sternly worded letter
I feel sorry for the Pacific Island states. Just as they were starting to get a whole lot of new stuff, this happens. Oh wellI guess everyone else will just have to cough up more wont they? being so serious about it and all
Reminds me of the old joke about the telegram that said “F*ck you. Strong letter follows.”
Letters of note: http://www.lettersofnote.com/2011/02/regarding-your-stupid-complaint.html
The COP22 leaders are serious.
Your argument is precisely like saying there is a new dictator who wants to rewrite the world in the image of Stalin and the whole world is for this except the US, so the US should be for this. “Everyone else is doing it” is how children argue so they can get their way when they have no valid argument otherwise.
You are right, most of the world is quite serious about finding another way to get money from the rich countries.
The rest of the world can stuff it. I’m serious about this… They can do whatever they want – with their OWN money. If they try to take mine they may lose some fingers in the process.
Griff: What does the rest of the world think about all the deadly CO2 spewed by those Proclaimers flying to Marakesh needlessly?
How many of these Marakech participants have representative (i.e.: freely elected) governments? Do any of them?
griffiepoo? India is serious?
“In India, there is no escaping the reality that coal will continue to be the mainstay of the power generation sector.”
Japan is serious?
“In fuel-starved Japan, utilities are setting up a new wave of coal-fired stations as a replacement to many of their ageing coal units. According to data compiled by Kiko Network, a Kyoto-based environmental group, there are over 40 new coal-fired units slated for construction.”
Germany is serious?
“Germany too had enunciated a broad roadmap of moving away from the dependence on coal. But accompanied by its more recent plans to phase out nuclear power, new estimates show that Germany’s lignite and anthracite coal power output in 2014 had rebounded to its highest level in more than 20 years…
In end-2013, generation surged to 162 billion kilowatt hours, the highest level since reunification in 1990 when Germany’s coal-fired power stations produced nearly 171 billion kilowatt hours of power, largely on account of many old eastern German plants that were still in operation, according to figures from AGEB, a group of industry associations and technical institutes.”
griffiepoo’s idea of an ideal India family.
Brilliant. I want a full sized poster!
Aye, Josh did great!
It’s so hard not to gloat, I may need surgery to get the smug smirk of my face.
Feels better than winning the lottery.
“Feels better than winning the lottery.”
For one reason out of many, that’s because for many years now the Left has been sure that THEY had won the lottery with this whole climate change – money for indulgences thing.
It is the eighth mortal sin – gloatany.
Thank you I have not had a laugh like I just experienced in years
And should Ms Rodham had been successful that Gloatany would have been ramped up to Super Extreme and rising. And for 4 or more years!
As it is the Left/Green Evil Axis of The West has gone into Mourning and that goes double for the Luvvies in Australia. They shall return as they can organise (especially if they have open slather on Taxpayer money) but, for the moment, I revel in their disillusions and I am overdosing on the Schadenfreude. I know this is immature and remiss… Naa!. Lets get some more…and enjoy it to the hilt…
For how many years have the Green Bandits held sway, and The Public Purse, and now The USA elects The Donald and Both Houses are Republican Controlled…and a Supreme Court appointment or more.
And Jim comes up with a word to describe their attitude for what seems like decades and that word now applies perfectly in the opposite way,
However if any Americans are close to any Republican Reps or officials remind them that it is fine for the Fans, or far away Aussies to barrack, cheer and even gloat. For the Republican elected, and for officials, all they have to do is one thing. Do not go all righteous. Do not concern yourself with the celebration. Do not even worry about getting even. Just do your job. Do it professionally. Do it well. Do it Proudly.
if The Republicans do their job everything falls into place. The Left/Green Axis will have lost their high horse position and be in no place to engage in Gloatany or to raid the public purse. They may even have to resort to an actual debate of the issues rather than their current tactics of Smugness, Insult and Slur. The Gloatany. Wouldn’t that be something out of the Blue?
Cheers to you Jim.
@ RobBobb, You said this: ”
‘Do not even worry about getting even. Just do your job. Do it professionally. Do it well. Do it Proudly.”
I ( after a bit of gloating I do admit) I could not agree more. excellent statement! Thank you sir.
The gravy train is about to leave the station .
They’ll start panicking if they think the money is going to dry up, as they’ll start tomake ever wilder & more absurd claims about climate! Lovely to see!
The BBC and the Guardian will be going into overdrive to find more and more nonsense to broadcast. 2016, the hottest year ever(?) but no mention of the hiatus. No mention that the planet has greened by 14% over the last 30 years. When did GW ever achieve 14% of anything?
No mention of the long standing & on-going data manipulation
How can they make up any more wild and whacky stories than they already have , let’s face it they’re now reduced to hottest evah .
Wait a minute, it can still be worse than we thought
Nothing, wouldsurprise me with the Green Blob!
..Any day now, the Green Blob will be claiming that Man Made Glo.Bull Warming is heating up our entire Solar system !! A few months later, the entire Galaxy !
Steve, you made your point 200 posts ago.
Never underestimate human creativity when it comes to one about to lose a game involving trillions of dollars and massive power over others. They will continue to rise far longer than most think possible.
I am interested in knowing how strongly the aforementioned (depicted) likes of Michael Mann et al will advance the CAGW agenda when the money goes poof!
I think we know. As an example Robby Mook, Hillary’s campaign manager now famously, said “I want to be paid now” since the “situation is fluid” at midnight EST when it became clear that Trump had won the election. Shrillary, at that instant, lost her mind and went berserk.
So let us take front row seats to the widespread meltdown in amongst the green money suckers.
All of a sudden I’m humming the theme from Ghostbusters, and I don’t know why.
True colours of COP are exposed at COP22, as I told earlier and in my publications: the whole exercise of global warming rhetoric is to protect multinational companies vested interests. To safegaurd their interests pollution is replaced by CO2. At COP22 the CGIAR and its allies openly come out in support of Profit driven chemical inputs and genetically modified crops agriculture.
Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy
+++ many thousands Dr , CIGIAR is on my list of” wish theyd be wiped out asap.”
along with gates and clintons foundations and Soros
According to GWPF, Rupert Darwall has also been hauled aside by the heavies at the Marrakesh COP.
“Marc Morano of the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow arranged a ritual shredding of the Paris Agreement in front of a life-size cut-out of Trump. Hardly had the first page of the agreement disappeared into the shredder than U.N. security police intervened to save the rest of the document”.
Great piece, thanks for the link.
TheRebel are doing a great job exposing the hypocrisy and malfeasance of the climate zealots in CoP22 and I note Marc Morano has quickly been marched away by UN goons (because they, er, want that ‘open debate’ and all that). This is what always happens with these regressive bullies. The moment they hear an opinion they don’t like they send in their uniformed enforcers to shut it down.
It’s all happening in Marrakesh
ugh. i’d love to be able to enjoy a properly done parody but that synthetic monotone just sucks too bad.
It’s enough to bring the tears to ones eyes.
Thought experiment … If humans didn’t exist and a Trump-shaped spacecraft full of benevolent golden haired aliens cast its shadow on planet Earth on November 9 2016, they would conclude everything was great for colonization except the 400 ppm CO2 level was way to low. The would then get to work cranking it up by burning existing
By that logic, if humans still existed, those same benevolent golden haired aliens might consider Greens to be enemies of the planet.
Left out a word end of first paragraph … fossil fuels.
or even two…
If those aliens had spacecrafts with cargo space, they would probably take some CO2 from Venus and bring it here, win-win. And they would probably take some more CO2 from Venus to Mars. win-win-win.
I do not get the obsession with Mars, Venus is way more interesting.
Mars is potentially able to be visited /colonised.
Venus by comparison is a suicide mission.
Bot are interesting though.
Mars already has a lot of CO2.
They’d be right about Earth’s enemies too!
this is not funny at all if you are not devotee of the CAGW and even less if you voted for the Brexit
The UK Foreign Secretary and the Brexit leader Boris Johnson signed the Paris climate accord with the characteristic enthusiasm.
Not something I expected just now.
Is this meant to prejudice or influence decision of the new president elect?
Trump does not seem like the kind of guy who is influenced by posers, photo ops, or theatric gestures.
that won’t stop them trying
Progressives think anyone can be tamed—by shaming, by buying out, etc. They have no concept of a person who acts on principles. Can Trump be that person? We’ll see. Remember, any compromise (real compromise, not the usual “Dems get all they want, everyone else gets nothing” type), will more than likely be viewed as Trump caving. Trump followers can be as narrow and brutal as progressives when it comes to Trump doing exactly what they personally thought he was going to do. That may be Trump’s biggest problem, his own followers angry because they didn’t get their way on every detail.
but this is rather funny: British secret weapon, Tony Blair !
“At a restaurant three minutes’ walk up Fifth Avenue from the Trump headquarters, Tony Blair was seen lunching with Jared Kushner, the president-elect’s son-in-law”.
“Tony Blair and Jared Kushner have been friends for some time, and share a mutual friend in Wendi Deng, the former wife of Rupert Murdoch.”
quotes from the today’s (London) Times.
The left has been calling Republican presidents stupid since Reagan. The chorus seems to be getting shriller and shriller.
Actually, since Eisenhower. They thought Ike was a genial oaf, more interested in golf than his job. Hey, wait a minute….
For years the MSM in Britain used to do a “head count” of the number of parliamentary Bills planned for the upcoming session (as announced in the Queen’s Speech). If there were fewer than about 20 they used to get all excited about the government “not doing its job” or having “run out of steam”
They had much the same attitude if parliamentary recesses were deemed longer than they considered appropriate.
If anyone challenged them and suggested that there was more to government than legislating and that MPs weren’t necessarily skiving if they weren’t sitting in Westminster all the time they couldn’t wrap their minds round the concept at all.
“But that’s what we pay them for!” Good laws, bad laws, who cares? As long as they are seen to be interfering in the life of the citizen. (Not that the Left thinks of it in quite those terms, of course!)
Name-calling is an old standard.
Classical education used to cover it in teaching Rhetoric, calling it ‘ad hominem’ among other things. It can be used to sway naive audiences (but not alert ones) when the debater has run out of substantive arguments. Of course, if one has substantive arguments to make, they are usually more effective, but when Logic fails, Rhetoric is always there as Plan B.
The positive side of being a target of ad hominem attacks is that it reveals one’s opponent has no more hard ammunition to use, thus revealing a major vulnerability. Time for a direct counterstrike, if you have the guts for it.
The greedy; they eat their own. Like they did to JFK. There is the Clintonian Dead List, as further witnessed recently. And the Globalist ….and the Bush “New World Order”…and the hairless little boys who have no testicles protesting in mainstream corrupt cities until someone called to say “stop”, our filthy cities are burning. And the 270,000 million dead during 20th century hate mongers. That’s why we have good Scotch and beer and …. Cheers!
270,000 million? Yikes.
More like 160 million (with large error bands)..
Probably closer to 270,000,000 if you count the European WWII dead. The war started when the National Socialists of Germany conspired with the Marxist-Leninist Socialists of the Soviet Union to divide up Eastern Europe. The National Socialists attacked Poland first on 1 September 1939 and the Marxist-Leninists attacked seventeen days later. So, I would add 45,000,000 minimum to the total. And recent research has the number that Mao murdered during the “Great Leap Forward” at over 40,000,000. Of course, that doesn’t include the loss through abortion. That would add another 58,000,000 just in these United States.
One must include all casualties of the wars on humanity, not just directed by tyrannical executions. Thus the extra large numbers.
Has anyone ever noticed that the graphic on Gina MacCarthy’s Twitter page is a picture of our esteemed Admin of the EPA, gazing back at some $10mm + homes on a tranquil shore line, somewhere on the East Coast? (hint, one of those houses was paid for from ketchup proceeds).
Sorry Gina, the post EPA gravy train is out of cash, those big houses are just a pipe dream for you…
I’m sure they are all “green” houses and Gina will be amply rewarded for her services. Don’t be surprised to see her join “Organizing for Action”, the Obama organization that will continue with emails and rallies to try and take down Trump. Dems are very, very organized. They don’t give up. I am waiting to see if Republicans have anywhere near that much tenacity.
That “Trump Shadow” is genius. I almost feel sorry for the Green Blob. Almost. Well, not really.
Give it a rest.
..Green Mob Blob ?? Compromise people, compromise ….LOL
The Guardian is wetting itself with rage at the appointment of Myron Ebell to the EPA. They know the worm has already turned.
hysterical…..elections have consequences!!
Trump Says Ford Called to Say It’s Keeping SUV Plant in Kentucky
Surprising what a lack of funding does to “consensus”.
@richard verney – well it is quite warmer than normal. What is being ignored is that big light purple spot just over the horizon from all that red at the pole. It has been over 50 degrees BELOW normal for a quarter of the Asian landmass and all that purple over there represents 36 degrees or less.
I still think that what we are looking at is not new, but a repetition of a winter cycle that has happened in the not so distant past. Meanwhile, the U.S. is just starting to get a dose of what Europe and Asia are experiencing for winter. Big snow and really cold temps. Don’t plan on playing tennis outdoors in the midwest or northeast during thanksgiving.
Sorry, this seems to have posted above Richard Verney’s post.
it can’t be game over, because it is much worse than we thought.
MSM is peddling a story that the Arctic is some 36degC HOTTER than normal. Geez:
Josh’s editorial picture identifies the number one climate change issue. $$$$$$$$$
The cult of CAGW is all about getting more and more money which we do not have to spend on climate change ‘action’ in our countries and in other countries.
For example, the $100 billion/year which the developed countries have ‘promised’ for third world country climate change ‘action’. The plan is to ramp up the $100 billion/year third world country climate change ‘action’ funding to a $1 trillion/year.
The third world $100 billion/year, climate ‘action’ fund will of course be ‘administered’, by the UN which will take a massive cut, followed by a cut taken by corrupt third world governments.
The $100 billion/year third world climate ‘action’ money that is left after the leaches take their cut will be spent on green scams that do not work, to address a CAGW problem that does not exist.
It appears, help is on the way (observations continue to support the assertion that the solar cycle has been interrupted, there has in the past been a roughly one cycle delay from an abrupt change in the solar cycle, for the onset of cooling) to address the pesky warming of the last 150 years.
Davis and Taylor: “Does the current global warming signal reflect a natural cycle”
…We found 342 natural warming events (NWEs) corresponding to this definition, distributed over the past 250,000 years …. …. The 342 NWEs contained in the Vostok ice core record are divided into low-rate warming events (LRWEs; < 0.74oC/century) and high rate warming events (HRWEs; ≥ 0.74oC /century) (Figure). … …. "Recent Antarctic Peninsula warming relative to Holocene climate and ice – shelf history" and authored by Robert Mulvaney and colleagues of the British Antarctic Survey ( Nature , 2012, doi:10.1038/nature11391),reports two recent natural warming cycles, one around 1500 AD and another around 400 AD, measured from isotope (deuterium) concentrations in ice cores bored adjacent to recent breaks in the ice shelf in northeast Antarctica. ….
Odd, that the cult of CAGW talk about the warmest temperatures in ‘recorded’ history (last 150 years). Curious that the IPCC ‘scientists’ ignored the paleo record when they created CAGW.
Greenland ice temperature, last 11,000 years determined from ice core analysis, Richard Alley’s paper. William: As this graph indicates the Greenland Ice data shows that have been 9 warming and cooling periods in the last 11,000 years.
Less than 100 days to save climate science.
No need to rush or panic.
Here is one to make you split your sides! The arctic temperature is 30c above where it should be and temperatures are rapidly returning to summer levels! It looks like we won’t even get to peak winter ice if this continues. Big drinks all round, looks like we did it at last. 🙂
Less ice means more cooling. Less ice means more snow on Greenland. The feedbacks are negative.
yep..and Greenland is adding ice at a record level
Here’s one to split your sides. There is nothing unusual about big temperature swings in the arctic during the winter season.
It really amazes me how warmists assume that any movement in their direction must be permanent.
Garth more like 15 C, check the scale on the side of DMI’s graph, and it isn’t normal (where it should be) …. the concept of a normal temperature exists only in the heads of the scientifically challenged. The average temperature is the result of a wide range of temperatures and all of them were “where they should be” at the time they occurred.
You can add ice as snow as fast as you like, but if it melts even quicker the volume will fall Check out the data.
Fortunately help is on the way. See my comment above. There has been a 30% increase in multiyear ice in the Arctic.
Are you aware that it is a fact that the planet cyclically warms and cools, with the warming and cooling correlating to solar cycle changes?
Ya, really. The same regions of the earth (high latitude) warm and then cool in a cycle, correlating to solar cycle changes.
The idiots found the correlation but could not solve the problem of how the sun is changing and how the solar changes are cause cyclic warming and cooling (sometimes roughly every 10,000 years abrupt cooling).
Timing of abrupt climate change: A precise clock by Stefan Rahmstorf
Many paleoclimatic data reveal a approx. 1,500 year cyclicity of unknown origin. A crucial question is how stable and regular this cycle is. An analysis of the GISP2 ice core record from Greenland reveals that abrupt climate events appear to be paced by a 1,470-year cycle with a period that is probably stable to within a few percent; with 95% confidence the period is maintained to better than 12% over at least 23 cycles. This highly precise clock points to an origin outside the Earth system (William: Solar magnetic cycle changes cause warming and cooling); oscillatory modes within the Earth system can be expected to be far more irregular in period.
Now, if we can get CHINA to cease emitting gigatons of sulfur dioxide particulates, which inevitably end up as a sub-stratospheric haze which in turn blankets emission of IR from the Arctic all winter long, well… then even the dire total-ice-curves-of-the-Arctic would be resolved. It is NOT the CO₂, folks. Never has been. Its about the rather remarkable effect of atmospheric aerosols, especially of SO₂ (which becomes SO₃)
Here’s the report card for Greenland ice if you are interested in the detail. Arctic sea ice looking extremely low for the time of year. It could be an interesting season for weather in the Northern hemisphere.
Hard to believe this could happen in a massive El Niño year!?
And here are the Greenland highlights if interested. I wonder if Mr Trump will look at them?
Melt area in 2015 exceeded more than half of the ice sheet on July 4th for the first time since the exceptional melt events of July 2012, and was above the 1981-2010 average on 54.3% of days (50 of 92 days).
The length of the melt season was as much as 30-40 days longer than average in the western, northwestern and northeastern regions, but close to and below average elsewhere on the ice sheet.
Average summer albedo in 2015 was below the 2000-2009 average over the northwest and above the average over the southwest portion of the Greenland ice sheet. In July, albedo averaged over the entire ice sheet was lower than in 2013 and 2014, but higher than the lowest value on record observed in 2012.
Ice mass loss of 186 Gt over the entire ice sheet between April 2014 and April 2015 was 22% below the average mass loss of 238 Gt for the 2002- 2015 period, but was 6.4 times higher than the 29 Gt loss of the preceding 2013-2014 season.
The net area loss from marine-terminating glaciers during 2014-2015 was 16.5 km2. This was the lowest annual net area loss of the period of observations (1999-2015) and 7.7 times lower than the annual average area change trend of -127 km2.
Wow, one day of melt.
One constant with warmists. They have no notion of how the real world works, and they don’t want to know.
Did you look at the data Mark?
Funny how inter glacial periods exhibit melting ice. Strange coincidence. Ah…but that would counter the melting ice scare rhetoric. And what is happening with Antarctica? ….and Siberia? Might thee be cherry picking ???
Sorry, your quote lacks some vigor.
As long as there is ice at either pole, we are in a “inter glacial” period…When the ice permanently melts from the poles, we will be at the Human Optimum Temperature…Prove me Wrong !! Increased temperature at the poles is beneficial to ALL Humanity, not a dangerous outcome…Another “Little Ice Age” would be devastating to liberals that believe in CAGW…They will be woefully unprepared because they believed the lies of Obama and Gore..Evolution never stops working…Mother Nature knows best…IMHO,..
The IPCC (source of all wisdom), says that up to (at least) 1.8C is beneficial! But hey, maybe they’d been drinking? God knows they’ve got enough money and it would explain a lot!
Ah yes, Arctic Sea Ice and Greenland ice sheet, the go-to “argument” for warmunists. For when overall temperatures refuse to go their way. If an ice cube melts in the arctic, it must be our fault.
The go to argument is always whatever data is supporting them at the moment. Later this year when arctic sea ice is no longer a “record lows” bum bum bahhhhh, they will switch to some other data point that proves everything is worser than we thought. Then when that data point no longer supports them, they will switch to something else. It’s how they operate.
Bruce, I don’t think the issue here is who’s fault this is, it is about something dramatic which is happening in the Arctic this year. debating whether it is something related to humanity, or something natural is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic as far as I can see. Adaption is what we need to be considering and preparing for what may be a climatically challenging winter. Sadly most of the responses are regarding whether the melt is actually happening despite the clear evidence.
What, specifically, do you want us to do as “adaption,” Gareth?
Dave, adaption depends on what the problem is. The melting of the Arctic may bring floods, snow, gales, we don’t know. However if we take the example of floods which have severely damaged the UK over the last few years, we need to invest in flood defences. If it’s cold, we need to insulate houses where vulnerable people live and make sure they are warm. Essentially it’s clear that Arctic melting may well bring more severe weather to areas such as the UK which have enjoyed many years of mild wet unchallenging climates.
We need to monitor, invest and be prepared to act. Arguing about who’s fault it is is such a fruitless exercise. The thing about this blog in which I have been a poster for some years, is how unconcerned people are about a remarkable climate event which is currently evolving.. I’m trying to get people who are interested in climate change to see what is happening here and now and what the implications may be.
I agree with you, Gareth: Man should (I hate that word) prepare for the weather events that have plagued us from the get-go. Often we don’t, and nothing is going to change those social and economic facts.
I’m not to the point where I would classify recent trends in the Arctic as a “climate event.” Give it five-to-ten years, then evaluate. It appears an approximate 60-year climate cycle is in operation.
You need to calm down about the Arctic, then. Take a chill pill. Nothing “dramatic” is happening in the Arctic that has happened before. It’s a non-problem, just like the whole “global warming” issue is.
Gareth, I will try to explain it to you gently…When Sea Ice melts, it has ZERO affect on the sea level…IT IS A FLOATING ICE CUBE, the volume of the sea stays the same….
Marcus, only you are mentioning sea level change. Others are mentioning Greenland Ice issues, where melting will cause sea level rise. My point is that the Arctic is melting, and that may have an effect on our climate. I’ll explain this equally gently, try and read the posts before firing from the hip. Otherwise you look silly. 🙂
Bruce-Cobb, Actually, stating that nothing unusual is happening in the Arctic flies in the face of all the evidence and observations. Ignoring facts does not make them go away. Now search the Danish and NASA records. Can you find any precedent ? If not, it’s critical to take your head out of the sand and look at the reality. And by the way, stay off the pills, things may look better,but they are addictive.
Gareth old chap, do you never get fed up of sleeping on a rubber sheet?
Cutting the Global Warming Cult’s funding by 97% sounds about right to me. After cutting their funding, we could increase it in intervals of 0.01% yearly and in the year 2026 claim that this was the “biggest funding year (translation–hottest) evah.
Seems like somebody should attempt to calculate the equilibrium funding sensitivity (EFS) per doubling of Trump time in office (TTO). I’m not sure I have the data necessary to make an informed calculation, but my first SWAG indicates a negative sign to the result…
Josh must be a northerner.
They have this double hand motion, like the green blob here, with hands moving side to side. It indicates concern or worry. Never seen it down south.
Have you ever walked across the Clattern bridge on river Hogsmill built way back in 1293 and still in use ? I occasionally do to.
No, but I slept in a Holiday Inn last night so I’m a qualified climate scientist.
Hi Mr. Chip
It was meant as a amendment to Ralfellis’s statement above
Breaking news: Donald Trump has been invited by the prime minister of Fiji to view first hand “the impacts of climate change”. I am sure he will be out on the first available flight. Film at 11.
The shadow in the Josh’s cartoon reminds me of something I saw on Facebook a while back. It was a silhouette of Trump with the caption:
There will be hell toupee
Louis: “There will be hell toupee”. Nice!!
I think Helena Handcart was also mentioned.
The US has been the “sugar daddy” for far to many global schemes. From the UN on. Time to cut the cord.
(Sometimes the “sugar daddy” hasn’t just supplied dollars but blood.)
I got a Trump email asking to take a survey of the a bunch of items he has listed to do in the first 100 days and taking money away from climate change was on it so I marked the highly important.
This is the link to the survey.
Probably run by some agency who most likely will sell name, zip code and email address with all preferences known. Expect to be bombarded by spam and the junk mail for months to come.
I wouldn’t touch it.