Guest essay by Eric Worrall
The climate establishment is expressing hope that President Trump will treat the wishes of the American people, and the promises he made to the voters who supported him, with the same contempt and disregard which they themselves feel for the needs of ordinary people.
Donald Trump: Paris climate change delegates hopeful presidency will not derail agreement
Delegates at annual climate change talks in Morocco are hopeful Donald Trump’s presidency will not derail progress made on action.
Representatives from 200 countries are at the Marrakech summit finalising the details of the Paris Agreement on climate change, which commits governments to keeping a global temperature rise to well below 2 degrees Celsius.
Tina Johnson from the US Climate Network said the movement had its work cut out for it now.
“I think if we have a scenario where the action that he takes is contrary to where we feel it needs to be going, it will impact us, of course, because it means we have to do more work to make sure that he actually is moving in the direction that we need him to move in,” she said.
“This is not going to be a walk in the park, but we’re up for the challenge and we think we have history, momentum and the world on our side, because every country is acting on it.”
The road to ratification
Mr Trump is a well-known climate change sceptic and has threatened to remove America from the treaty.
But Australia’s Climate Council CEO Amanda McKenzie said it was going to be difficult for him to do that.
“It’s also important to note that the US climate action has come from the states,” Ms McKenzie said.
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I somehow think the climate parasites may be in for some big disappointments. From the first page of President Trump’s landmark “Contract with the American Voter“;
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FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars’ worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal.
SIXTH, lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward.
SEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America’s water and environmental infrastructure.
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Read more: https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU-102316-Contractv02.pdf
Sadly its not all good news, the climate movement still has some powerful friends. In Australia the member for Goldman Sachs, long term climate advocate Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, vowed to push forward regardless with ratifying the job destroying Paris Agreement.
Turnbull government, ignoring Trump election, proceeds with Paris climate agreement ratification
The Turnbull government has ratified the Paris climate agreement, formalising Australia’s commitment to a global effort to curb carbon emissions and reduce the risk of dangerous climate change.
The move comes less than a day after US voters elected Donald Trump, a sceptic of climate science, to become the next president. The US is the world’s second-highest carbon-dioxide emitter after China.
Australia is already experiencing an increase in extreme conditions from climate change – and it’s projected to get worse.
The ratification also comes just before Foreign Minister Julie Bishop and Environment and Energy Minister Josh Frydenberg head to Marrakech, Morocco, where a global meeting is taking place to work on the implementation of the Paris agreement.
“Almost a year from the Paris Conference, it is clear the agreement was a watershed, a turning point,” Malcolm Turnbull told a media conference. “The adoption of a comprehensive strategy has galvanised the international community and spurred on global action.”
The government’s target of cutting 2005-level emissions 26-28 per cent by 2030 now becomes a global commitment, that “we look forward to actively and fully implementing”, he said.
Australia joins more than 100 nations to ratify the global deal agreed last December in Paris.
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Australia’s ratification will bring some cheer to climate negotiators in Morocco, many of whom were stunned by the US election of a climate-denying president.
One European delegate told Fairfax Media that some had become upset as the results rolled in on Wednesday.
“Shock. Terrible. Some were in tears,” said the delegate, describing the reaction. “Many – like me – were blocking it out and seeking refuge in sarcasm.”
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I suspect we’re seeing the beginning of a global attempt to pressure President Trump into watering down his electoral commitments, but I also think they have chosen the wrong President to try to bully – President Trump is not an unprincipled professional sellout like some of his predecessors.
He will not buckle
Walter, i think you might underestimate the powers that (shouldnt) be. Big players now have special interests in the scheme that is growing and growing. Carbon-credits, carbon-trade, carbon-storage (like U.N. Redd), Electric cars and so on, and so on. The head wind (pun intended) will be humongous and magnificent, I hope Trump will be able to pull thru. Again, don’t underestimate the stakes, we’ll see.
As we saw a few days ago, Trump wins. If this is his platform, he will get it done. Mind you, the climate stuff seems the easiest on the list, so I expect those to happen. The trade stuff, particularly with China, may be pulled back a bit. Since I am not an economist, I must leave open the possibility for that. This stuff, though, is all within our country. There is no problem there that I can see.
Mike_GenX (@MikeGenx) commented: “…This stuff, though, is all within our country. There is no problem there that I can see.”
The world wide pressure will continue until more countries defeat the AGW scam. Four years? Maybe eight years? After what they’ve invested they will counterattack and wait. We need to kill this once and for all and not just kick the can down the road.
What is being ignored in this situation is a character named Ebell.
Trump will yank the spending. Congress will happily redirect or erase it.
Ebell will deal with the ‘Climate Team’. I assume the Gavinator and pals are going to receive new bosses and very explicit orders.
Attempts to deceive or evidence of manipulation will rapidly attrit employee positions.
It will not take long for Ebell to ferret out productive staff and dross wasting time, money and science; also known as short termers banned from lobbyist positions after leaving civil service.
I wonder where maniacal and Trenberth & co. plan to get their next grants?
(Does anyone else hear squealing?)
” I wonder where maniacal and Trenberth & co. plan to get their next grants?…”
My guess is the scientists will be discarded in favor of hooligans to turn public opinion around because now skeptic scientists can be heard and the warmists know they can’t win that battle. Most likely the attacks will be in the form of demonstrations and civil disobedience. Either way we’ll continue having to endure Climate Change propaganda for quite some time as the pockets are deep.
Some folks are able to give up modern living so they can travel around being civilly disobedient and demonstrating.
I assume some of the climate boondogglers are too inept for burger flipping and will end up in their parent’s basements and hitching rides to demonstrations.
However, most will find some sort of job and either deny contributing to climatology science or come clean about how they were ‘forced’ into climate alarm research.
Maybe Josh can do a graphic of a bald guy with wispy beard at the Mcburger window or counter?
Can I get that hokeystick burger medium rare with two pickles?
He put his faith in the American people to make him POTUS.
He knows they will stand behind him and dump the non-performing rinos next time.
Just because President Elect Donald Trump will rightfully not force the country down the renewable energy sinkhole doesn’t preclude any American from doing any personal efficiency upgrades like installing rooftop solar panels at unsubsidized cost or installing Tesla Battery Backups at unsubsidized cost or buying an electric vehicle fit simply won’t be purchased at a subsidized price by federal mandate. If you think fossil fuels cause harm, don’t utilize them no one is going to force you to
+1 Save the earth on your own. Don’t drag everyone down to help with your fantasy.
I’ll add to that. I live in Southern CT. I do not believe that CO2 is the primary factor, or even a significant one, in driving climate. I do not have access to natural gas in my home, as many in the North East do not. Oil or propane delivery are my only options, and my home was built with an oil furnace. After doing my homework, I discovered that an air source heat pump can heat my home more cheaply than oil, even with today’s prices, than oil on all but the coldest days of the year. My math, and experience now since I am in my second heating season with the heat pump, shows that temps below 20 or so are my break even point. So, when it’s warmer, I use the heat pump, at night, in the coldest months of the year, I switch to oil. Last year I saved 200 gallons, and nearly $500. Considering I purchased the heat pump to provide AC, this is a huge bonus, but at this rate the payback is 10 years for a system that should last 20.
The point in all of this, is that it’s a “green” investment, that in my case is actually saving me money. I do not care about burning oil, but I love to save money. Ironically, many of my CO2 is killing us friends and families, will not put the same system on their homes. Sigh.
Mike_GenX: It is ironic that those who complain about CO2 are the ones that often do nothing to reduce their so-called carbon footprint. I use propane for heat, but after the $4/gallon fiasco a couple of years ago, I went back to my woodstove much of the time. They now make “eco-bricks” (compressed sawdust bricks) that burn cleanly and don’t produce the dust and ash wood does. Dust was my biggest problem with wood heat. I did this to save money, not the planet. If propane were reasonable priced, that would be different. The only way I found to avoid being held hostage by propane prices was an alternate source of heat. (Winters are too cold here for the heat pump. I looked at a pellet stove but wood bricks were a better deal.) Economics mean more than climate models, indeed.
Mike_GenX, I hope you included your oil system O&M and replacement costs in the payback calculation.
Unfortunately, the rino senator from Arizona is in for another six years unless he dies in office. He’s way older than Trump. On a side note, the democrats that have been supporting his re-election over the years saw a chance to run a democrat against him because of Hillary. They obviously lost, but it was looking to be a close thing and McCain actually did phone banks and traveling the state. He was saved by people like me who don’t want the seat turned over to the democrats.
“The move comes less than a day after US voters elected Donald Trump, a sceptic of climate science”‘
No he isn’t a “climate science skeptic”, he is a CO2 based global warming theory skeptic, “Climate science” are two words that have no meaning or basis and only showed up after all the other headlines failed. These people keep changing the goalposts every time they realize they are losing the game.
Very important point, I feel, asybot . . though I think the alarming part of the now operative theory you describe is wise to stress often. A bit of warming is cool . . ; )
I like that the Chinese are warning him he should not withdraw from the CO2 agreements, or there will be major consequences. Ha! That’s the type of “negotiating” he warned us about and that he will fix.
“The Art of the Deal.” ‘Nuff said.
You mean the same Chinese who announced this week a near term acceleration of coal plant construction?
Yup, those Chinese. They are about to learn that he can’t be pushed around like Obama.
I’m pretty sure the President only has veto control over the budget, the appropriations for UN funding come from Congress. Even though Republican’s control Congress that’s no guarantee they don’t support the AGW hypothesis. All Trump can really do is refuse to authorize a budget that includes those items, and since there’s no line item veto they caould make it difficult if they want.
He really can’t do some of the things he claims he can, for instance I’m not certain he can stop Congress from ratifying the Paris Agreement since it’s already been signed by Obama? How does he “unsign” it?
Go for it.
The good thing is that Trump owes very few if any favors to green lobbyists. As a good number of greens are close allies of Hillary Rodham Clinton, he has even more motivation to turn down any entreaties they issue. He also seems astute enough to rcognize a rent-seeking scam like “renewable energy” as currently organized.
This is the first time I’ve seen that document. If no one else signed it, it’s not a contract.
There is not enough space on the document for 300,000,000 signatures and assorted X’s. It is a pledge, in writing, which is far more than the Hildabeast, or the Obummersia. If he keeps his written word, its contract enough for me and I’ll vote for him, again.
Your worthless comment came from and belongs in the dust bin.
A contract is an agreement to work together.
A verbal contract is every bit as binding as a written contract. So, you don’t have to have signed anything for a contract to be in force.
But flyoverbob is correct, it’s more of a pledge.
“A verbal contract is every bit as binding as a written contract.”
Not so except in very, very few common law jurisdictions, Hong Kong being one.
@David Chappell
It is absolutely so, anywhere in the US. It goes back to British Common Law, which is still applicable here for principles and practices that date before July 4, 1776.
A “gentleman’s” contract is legal and binding as long as both parties remain “gentlemen”.
littlepeaks November 10, 2016 at 9:09 pm
“This is the first time I’ve seen that document. If no one else signed it, it’s not a contract.”
Hello littlespeaks, I seem to see President elect Trump’s signature down on the lower left.
As for mine, well I think my marking his name on a ballot and signing the envelope and mailing it, along with the nearly 60 million of our fellow citizens who voted for Trump meets your “missing” requirements.
michael
OK, only one person would have to sign it, for bean counters like you little peaks. Actually, I think it would be a wonderful thing to promote the idea of his voters to sign it and mail it to the Whitehouse. Anyone know how to launch such a great campaign like this?
When DJT pulls the climate aid money and threatens UN funding to UNFCCC, the international climate hustle will be over. The rest of the West will have to follow the collapse of the UNFCCC brokered scam.
With the Obama CPP and EPA regs going in the trash on January 20, the domestic climate hustle will be finished.
The ole 1-2, you’re out Green Blob. The Supreme Court will be safe. If any Federal judge rules against the Trump Admin actions, Trump can go to the Republican controlled Congress and re-write whatever law that Judge is relying on in their ruling.
It really is game over for The Climate Hustle…. Everywhere.
Precisely. The laugh-a-minute regarding Australia’s (my country) piffling “ratification” of that non-binding Paris nonsense is attempting to tell us we’re all troglodytes. If the US simply fails to live up to the treaty, which is perfectly legal, then any other country can and the thing dissolves.
It will be enlightening to see which developed countries try to make up for the 25% the U.S. now puts into the IPCC. Just think of all the Third World delegates sitting home instead of being paid to junket at high-end resorts.
He calls AGW a hoax. He obviously knows enough about it and the damage it’s doing to want to eliminate it. He’s also brazen enough to do everything he said he was going to do against it. He’ll use the office of the President to get his way just like Obama did. Hopefully he’ll use the majority power he’ll have to completely put it in the grave.
Give the man a minute to absorb things…….
Then we’ll begin to turn up the heat, it’s only fair.
He’s got over 2 months before he can do anything.
You could draft up one hell of an Executive Order in two months. He’s just got to wait to sign it.
oh, holy crap! that’s good!
the paris stuff is missing still, but the un part is … well, i want to believe it… but i history tells me wait till it happens…
From Trumps perspective the Paris crap is just crap. Since Congress has not ratified it, it can’t be a treaty and therefore does not exist. When he cancels Obama’s exec orders Paris will be among them.
Not Congress, as that implies both the House and the Senate. Only the Senate is requured (and a signature from the President).
Mark T November 10, 2016 at 11:02 pm
You are mostly right but the House still has to vote funds and they can shut it down with amendments in other legislation. The present administration got away with as much as it did because Congress did not foresee the loopholes that the administration would use.
Oh btw, because the Senate never ratified the Iran deal all of the prohibitions again trading and transferring funds to the Nation should still be in affect.
Note any US government official has some protections if ordered by the President. The President of course does not.
Odd these people don’t learn from other people’s mistakes. Like Watergate and Iran-Contra.
michael
“When he cancels Obama’s exec orders”
That’s when the paid-protestor Climatards are unleashed to agitate and destroy.
President Obama’s legacy is built on executive order and middle of the night legislation. Poof.
Other than for failed policies, Obama’s lasting legacy will be the final destruction of the New Deal Democrat Party coalition forged during the Great Depression. Prior Democrat Party depredations, including LBJ’s, lost them the South. Current Democrat Party depredations, including Obama, Clinton, MSM, SJW, Greens, etc. lost them the Midwest and blue collar voters.
Please note the majority of States, localities and the Congress are controlled by the Republicans. That is largely due to people’s resentment at being looked down upon by social and political elites. Joe the plumber can reason just as well as John the professor, and Joe doesn’t like it when you tell him to shut up and follow his betters.
And being the millstone around Hillary’s neck, blocking both of her runs at the WH. Keeping us out of two more terms of the Clintons may be judged by history as his greatest accomplishment.
I’ve been hearing that for my whole life. The Donald will have to find something that hasn’t been tried already. I’m not holding my breath.
Turkeys and Christmas spring to mind!
I swear to God, I thought turkeys could fly !
https://youtu.be/lf3mgmEdfwg?t=123
@Marcus! LOL!!! OMG, that was the best episode ever!
Marcus, as a former (and somewhat proud) free-range turkey rancher, I can personally attest that some species of turkeys really can fly. Not the ones you find in stores, but some of them I raised Narragansetts. They fly. 🙂
I think he has to start by changing the EPA funding paradigm from anthropogenic to natural forcing. We all need to send him a note to that effect. Nothing changes minds faster than cold hard cash.
Why don’t those climate delegates just go out and block traffic somewhere.
They could Stand in middle of the Jersey Turnpike at rush hour. That would be fine with me.
Well, in LA and elsewhere they are doing just that, but with a much larger “NOT OUR PRESIDENT” agenda. Sadly the tantrum throwers do cause significant traffic issues, counterproductively causing more inefficient fuel use. Sometimes you just can’t fix stupid.
Don’t be silly! That would take real dedication, and more than a modicum of danger. After all, they could fall down and scrape a knee.
The faithful are not payed enough for that.
And cut into their iPad and latte time at Starbucks.
Not a good idea to mess with the police in Morocco.
To bad we can’t send them all to where Michael Rockefeller was last seen. Papua New Guinea I think.
I mean it does have tourism you know.
michael
The Papuans invited him for dinner I expect.
Do you mean the Papuans invited him AS dinner?
I believe it was western New Guinea, now called Irian Jaya.
Well, as long as they still eat people there I don’t think we should argue about it…
Coupled with the first group of measures (Washington, DC shake up), it will be nearly impossible for green interest groups to inflict any further damage on the economy, no matter how much more and harder they’ll have to work on that.
Excellent post as usual. There’s no doubt that the President Elect will be pressured, schmoozed, flattered, sucked up to, and begged by the sycophants feeding at the ‘climate change’ trough. There are certainly a lot of them.
In Nicollo Machiavelli’s The Prince, he warned those in power to be extremely careful of flatterers. They surround every powerful person, and they’re hard to resist.
Mr. T should assume that they want their gravy train to continue. And he should always keep one thing in mind: A President has no friends.
The President Elect owes his allegiance to the voters who elected him — not to the swarm of bureaucrats, minor electeds, and the international parasites constantly buzzing around and telling him what he ‘must do’.
The only thing he ‘must do’ is keep his promises to the best of his ability. The most effective action he could take is to lay off the entire federal EPA bureaucracy. That would put the sycophants (servile flatterers) on the defensive. The way it is now, they’re trying to set his agenda.
The EPA should be a State function anyway. That way we could judge which state laws are effective, and which ones are a waste of money. Because when the federal government gets involved, a self-interested bureaucracy quickly establishes itself, and changing anything becomes a practically impossible undertaking. Better to eliminate these federal make-work departments, and use the money saved to solve real problems. There are plenty of those.
That also applies to the Department of Energy, the Dep’t of Education, etc. They are giant, self-serving bureaucracies that produce neither energy nor a well educated workforce. They exist primarily for their own benefit, not for the good of the country — no matter what they may claim publicly.
Eliminate them! Lower taxes with the money saved. And watch the economy take off.
John Podesta is the ultimate flatterer. It is how he got himself started in Democrat circles and worked the monied interests on climate from there.
Did you catch his late night speech at Hillary HQ? Masterful delivery. He emptied that hall without incident and without giving away the fact that they knew it was all over.
@ur momisugly Alan Robertson, “Did you catch his late night speech at Hillary HQ? Masterful delivery. He emptied that hall without incident and without giving away the fact that they knew it was all over’
Yes I did , My wife and I laughed our AO because of the way the sheep all turned around as if they were herded and left!
Did you folks know that Podesta had organised funding of activist
Green protest groups in Australia who have been using our court system to block and delay major coal development projects proceeding as a strategem to deter potential investors local and foreign
Australia is the number one coal exporting nation with our major customers being China India Japan
Our green ratbags dont much like that
I know you guys would not like it one bit if say an Aus billionaire used his financial muscle to stop some eco development in the states not that is likely
So please Mr Trump put a stop to Mr Podesta’s nefarious activities in our nation which has long been a good ally to the US
Thom, the game is rarely what it seems. Competing international energy organizations have been using “green” attacks on each other since WWII. For example Russia is behind the anti-fracking movement in the US since they’re the principal supplier of natural gas to Europe. If they can reduce US production they eliminate competition.
What other country produces coal? The US is one. It’s possible, even likely, the “green” attacks on the Oz coal industry was actually funded by US coal producers. Follow the money.
No-one could have stated it better.
IMHO the EPA does have a federal role in pollution control across interstate boundaries and in our waterways. However, the EPA should have little to no say regarding anything other than limiting chemical or biological contaminants to our environment. While the states should have primary control in the activities within their jurisdiction, the feds need to mediate interstate issues. The wind doesn’t stay within state borders nor does flowing water.
dbstealey: two thumbs-up!
There was a clear difference between George W Bush and Al Gore on the climate issue.
One of the first things Bush did was file the Kyoto treaty in the round file since it was not going to be ratified. Bush made increasing our energy resources a priority while also looking at ways to reduce the environmental impact. Under Bush we modernized coal plants and started building new nukes. We also started investing in more renewable energy. We can do both.
Obama’s war on coal and pipelines is stupid. It should not be hard for POTUS Trump to come up with a more balanced policy. Pipelines have less environmental impact than shipping oil in rail cars.
Yes but one of Obama’s benefactors owns a lot of Rail Lines and the gravy train would end if the pipeline were built.
That benefactor’s also heavily invested in wind “farms”. More honestly, he’s a subsidy farmer.
Can’t blame him, in a way. Throw the stick out there and the dog’ll go fetch it.
(Ok, you can blame him.)
Yeah, bush invested in that dopey gasahol and look where it got us. Markedly higher grocery prices here at home and people dying of starvation round the world. That’s what happens when you put a rino with his head up his ass in charge. There is no need to worry about lowering emissions because the carbon growth rate tracks with temperature. (curbing emissions won’t mean didleysquat) Hopefully trump, unlike bush, is able to read a graph…
E10 had nothing to do with climate. It was about creating an alternate source of transportation fuel from American sources. Read the 2005 energy bill. And it was successful by meeting the modest goal in a short period of time.
It was the dems 2007 energy bill that tried to make ethanol about climate. So far it has failed.
No one in the world is starving because American farmers can not grow enough food. Allowing American farmers to be more productive is a a good thing.
Sure there are those who make up bogus reason for productive American like corn farmers and coal miners to be less productive. They just lost an election.
Because of the higher prices caused by the fake ‘ethanol’ boom; farmers yanked lands out of the “Conservation Reserve Program (CRP)” and once again plow to the very edges of their properties.
Wildlife conservation, the real wildlife conservation not the fake sierra or wildlife fund stuff, took a real hit from the loss of land under CRP. Volunteers have worked hard over recent years to offset the CRP land losses.
Re Corn Ethanol
In 1998 I “inherited” a corn ethanol plant in Wyoming that produced fuel-grade ethanol. At that time, this business relied on huge government subsidies to remain profitable. It probably still does.
I understand that ~40% of the USA corn crop now goes to producing fuel ethanol.
I suggest that growing corn for fuel ethanol in the USA is a grave error, because of excessive drawdown of the huge, vital Ogallala aquifer This is a unfolding “real” environmental disaster that need to be addressed, without further delay.
You are pulling too hard on the Ogallala, and you will run out of water for food crops, sooner than you think.
I suggest there are ways Canada could help, if we had governments with any technical and business competence. Regrettably, we have too many uneducated far-left “progressives” in government here, and they are heading over the green-energy precipice that the USA just avoided.
Regards, Allan
References:
2016 National Geographic article: Ogallala Aquifer
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2016/08/vanishing-midwest-ogallala-aquifer-drought/August
My posts from 2012: “Told you so, four years ago…”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/01/22/weekly-climate-and-energy-news-roundup-38/#more-55226
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/06/nyt-blames-food-crisis-on-climate-change-hides-plea-to-reduce-government-mandated-burning-of-food-for-fuel/#comment-1072955
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/21/dr-john-christys-testimony-before-congress/#comment-1085677
Allan:
As usual from you, a very sane & sober observation about the exhaustion of the Ogilalla Aquifer as a result of the ill-considered, helter-skelter rush to ethanol.
And where are/were the externalities of this accounted for in the pre-ordinance calculations? Where is the (hugely -ve) Present Value of the concomitant dust-bowl, post-depletion — likely measurable in the Trillions of $?
Another rush to excessively hasty policy and action, methinks, sweeping this Inconvenient Truth under the carpet. Which Green morons were responsible for this irresponsible policy?
Addendum to my post:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/21/dr-john-christys-testimony-before-congress/#comment-1085812
Hi Ross.
I think it is past-time to look for solutions to the water shortages in the US.
In no particular order, my questions are:
1. How much more water is available, and from where?
2. How much would the water distribution systems cost?
3. How much water conservation is practical?
4. Do food-to-fuel schemes like corn ethanol and bio-diesel really make environmental sense?
It may be that the solution lies within the USA, by tapping the huge Mississippi system.
Maybe the solution comes in part from Canada. One of the mantras of the Canadian far-left is that we will provide no water to the USA. I just do not see why not. We are neighbours, and we are long-time friends. We supposedly have huge quantities of fresh water that flows to the sea. At the risk of incurring more threats from violent lefties, I think we should look at all possibilities.
The water shortages in the Midwest and California are very serious now, and the trends are generally negative. Much of the world population relies on food production from the USA. This is a real, current environmental and sustainability problem – not a phony one like global warming. I suggest the time for action is now.
Best regards, Allan
Hi Allen:
Inter-basin transfers…..the elephant in the room.
I think there’s a broad, knee-jerk, ignorant, consensus in Canada that if the U.S. wants our water they can:
1. F**k off in perpetuity!
2. F**k off in my lifetime!
3. You have sooooo screwed us over trade-issues such as softwood lumber, pipelines, etc., (the rules are to be flouted at yr whim and “F**k the Disputes Mechanisms” that we are going to screw you as hard as you’ve screwed us (as a political opening statement), and commensurately play ‘hard-ball’.
4. Short of invading us and expropriating out resources, you will have to treat with us.
In short, Allen, this comes down to renegotiating NAFTA. On the table wd be untrammelled pipeline access for Canadian oil and other products to U.S. markets — in default of which, Canada has the right to limit water-transfers (our Crown Jewel!)
BTW, Columbia River Treaty is up for renewal. Might be a good testing-ground…
Trump is a biz-man. He might be the open-Sesame to an acceptable NAFTA renegotiation to our mutual advantage. I foresee scope for *enhancing* NAFTA synergistically without significantly impairing his promise to bring jobs back to USA.
Canadians’ Comparative Advantage lies beyond impacting the resurrection of Rust-Belt jobs, and the interests of blue-collar and middle-management jobs.
Vengeful boogers aren’t they. I’m assuming that’s the Save The Earth First minority. Yes a NAFTA redo is imminent. Unfortunately Trump is vengeful as well (for any reason) so the negotiations should be….well, interesting.
Hi Ross,
Yes, I was contemplating NAFTA, given Trump’s recent comments. I hope he is mainly thinking about Mexico, but Canada may get hit, or sideswiped.
The AutoPact was great for Canada, but NAFTA was a mixed bag. We lost a lot of “branch” manufacturing plants that provided a lot of good jobs. Not sure we won there, especially since we did not appear to have an industrial strategy post-NAFTA to adjust to the changes – I think a 100% CCA rate on new manufacturing equipment should have been introduced decades earlier.
It did not help that Ontario destroyed its manufacturing competitiveness with green energy scams that drove up energy costs – the very destructive legacies of Doltan McGuinty and Kathleen Wynn. Alberta is now trying to out-do the green energy debacle of Ontario – just as other venues are backing out, we are jumping in. The utter stupidity of these green energy schemes proves that we are governed by scoundrels and imbeciles.
Regarding the leftists typical aggressive rhetoric in these matters, as you allude to above, I have always found that when negotiating with someone who is ten times bigger than you and much better armed, it is best to speak in a calm and reasonable manner. As Project Manager for a foreign oil play that was later sold to the Chinese for over $4 billion, I was in charge during two armed invasions, one of my head office and one of my field camp. Both of these events were managed with no physical harm to anyone – I rejected suggestions to call in the local Police or the Army (who tend to “go in shooting and let God sort them out”). We just sorted it out ourselves.
The conduct of the USA re softwood lumber and the Keystone XL pipeline was reprehensible. Keystone in particular was an enormous strategic benefit to the USA with NO environmental downside and lots of upside, but we were played in order to pander to the enviro-extremists. However, look at who was President; and now we have Justin in Ottawa, a youngster who never held a responsible job before becoming Prime Minister – not really an entry position.
Back to NAFTA: If we do start to think strategically and competently on both sides of our long common border, we could come up with a deal that would greatly benefit both countries. Let’s hope so. I wonder of the boys and girls in Ottawa have even started to think about this – probably not, they are still in denial re the Trump election, or are bargaining with God to reverse it.
Best, Allan
Goofball unelected unaccountable undisciplined and incompetent bureaucrats living the high life on the backs of taxpayers.
President Donald Trump’s promise to “cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America’s water and environmental infrastructure.” makes one very hopeful that he means what he said and he will cut off a big slice of the Climate gravy train. Sadly in Australia, we are still afflicted by the ignorant Turnbull, who has not studied the great Climate boondoggle in detail and still believes that CO2 causes runaway warming. It will take several more years in Australia before all the pennies drop and Australians cease to be bled dry by Climate Alarmism.
At least you have the option of voting One Nation?
500,000 people did.
Which is impressive since the Australian population is only 23,000,000
“Felflames November 11, 2016 at 2:25 am
500,000 people did.
Which is impressive since the Australian population is only 23,000,000”
Make that 22,999,999 as I don’t consider Turnbull(Coat) part of the population.
In my opinion, President Obama’s legacy will be, in great part, his failure to see that the law is faithfully executed. By choosing which laws (not) to enforce and by choosing whose crimes will be ignored, he has set an example for all future presidents to avoid at all costs.
Good point. Obama has been enabled by a complicit media which ends up as the worst form of government possible next to a dictator who also enjoys a complicit media. If for no other reason, Trump will be a better president than Hillary would have been since the media will resume it’s role to become a watchdog, probably overdoing it since that’s what they do to a Republican today.
Such quaint naivety.
I apologize, Catcracking… I blew past the gist of what you were saying and then commented.
You nailed it.
How true.
My Prediction:
After 8 long years without a single mention, on Jan. 20, the media will rediscover the plight of America’s Homeless. Unexpectedly!
The Plight of the Homeless will be relentlessly used to highlight the wanton cruelty of the republican administration. Global Warming will be a sideshow.
And so it begins.
doesn’t matter….no Trump supporter will ever trust the media again
They had the sense to refer to him as a skeptic and not hang the “d” word on him.
Yes, they have to show him some respect now if they hope to get anywhere with him. It must hurt. 🙂
It doesn’t matter what they, or Trump, think about the Paris agreement. The US is not a part of it.
The first six pledges we could do with here
in Australia
Our former trade minister who negotiated several trade agreements has recently resigend from Parliament to take up a senior post with the Chinese company with which our territory and national governments stupidly entered into an agreement for a long term lease of our most northen port Darwin which is very close to Asia.
Asia is so close that a few years back some blokes rigged an outboard motor to a “boat” made of empty beer cans and sailed it from Darwin to Singapore
Not only that but the port is next door to a major military and air force base housing among others 600 US marines
How dumb can you get?
Its a standard lease, similar to the one Britain signed when they picked up Hong Kong.
Do not be afraid of the Chinese influx, their brilliant children will be running Australia within a generation.
I am one of the deplorable voters. I have a college degree, I have worked in both private and government positions and am willing to give the man a chance. If he can accomplish just 1/4 of the items on this list I would think that he has been successful in a start down the right path for our republic. Accountability for ones actions is one of the biggest wishes I have. I am so dismayed with people not being held responsible for their actions. It seems you let one get by with it and the next one doubles down to see if they can get a get out of jail free card. Enough is enough.
If Trump was not my man previously, he is most certainly now.
We could use a man like this in my country!
Roger
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com
“Five actions to restore security and the constitutional rule of law:
First, cancel every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum and order issued by President Obama”
There should no doubt that USA entered into the Paris climate agreement by an unconstitutional executive agreement signed by President Obama. I just wonder how he got away with it.
He didn’t. He simply promised to abide by it. It is non-binding.
It is treated as an agreement by other parties like the United Nations.
And it has been said that it takes 4 years to get out of it. (Wish I had a reference to where that is stated). It looks like a treaty to me.
What has Obama put his signature to then?
http://unfccc.int/paris_agreement/items/9444.php
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Signature: 22 Apr 2016
Ratification Acceptance (A): 3 Sep 2016 A
It is a matter of American Constiutional Law. As it is a treaty, it is not binding on the US unless ratified by a two-thirds vote of the Senate. So, Trump is free to either ignore the Paris Accord or submit it to the Senate, where it would lose.
I guess that is my point – it is either illegal or non binding. It can´t possibly be legal and binding.
It takes no time to get out of. It has not been ratified and is thus a moot point. Treaty power is clearly defined in the Constitution as noted by Tom Halls. You would do well to learn it before telling us all what you think you know about our legal obligations.
I would love to be a fly on the wall in the halls of Marrakech right now, listening to the bleatings of the climate faithful and assorted ecoloons, as they consider the era of gravy trains and bad science is about to hit the buffers.
No, Europe will continue to fund the gravy train. Regrettably, Australia and New Zealand will, too.
Certainly Australia ratified the Paris agreement this week and Germany today agreed on a new climate plan to announce at the conference – much more renewable energy, apparently
Griffie, how naive. Without the U.S., the whole thing falls apart over time. Developed countries cannot compete against China, India, etc., much less a resurgent U.S. Poverty has a way of focusing one’s attention on what really matters.
“Griff November 11, 2016 at 7:13 am”
Australia did no such thing.
But Griffie so much wants it, it must be true.
Following Brexit, there is a lot of economic pressure on the UK going hell for leather on fracking. It appears 9but nothing is certain0 that the UK has a lot of reserves, and the UK has a need for cheap energy if it is to stimulate industrial growth.
The UK and the US could make strong allies in confronting the IPCC madness, and the green diatribe.
“richard verney November 11, 2016 at 12:52 am
Following Brexit, there is a lot of economic pressure on the UK going hell for leather on fracking.”
The Brits have been fracking since the 80’s.