Guest essay by Eric Worrall
The climate establishment is expressing hope that President Trump will treat the wishes of the American people, and the promises he made to the voters who supported him, with the same contempt and disregard which they themselves feel for the needs of ordinary people.
Donald Trump: Paris climate change delegates hopeful presidency will not derail agreement
Delegates at annual climate change talks in Morocco are hopeful Donald Trump’s presidency will not derail progress made on action.
Representatives from 200 countries are at the Marrakech summit finalising the details of the Paris Agreement on climate change, which commits governments to keeping a global temperature rise to well below 2 degrees Celsius.
Tina Johnson from the US Climate Network said the movement had its work cut out for it now.
“I think if we have a scenario where the action that he takes is contrary to where we feel it needs to be going, it will impact us, of course, because it means we have to do more work to make sure that he actually is moving in the direction that we need him to move in,” she said.
“This is not going to be a walk in the park, but we’re up for the challenge and we think we have history, momentum and the world on our side, because every country is acting on it.”
The road to ratification
Mr Trump is a well-known climate change sceptic and has threatened to remove America from the treaty.
But Australia’s Climate Council CEO Amanda McKenzie said it was going to be difficult for him to do that.
“It’s also important to note that the US climate action has come from the states,” Ms McKenzie said.
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I somehow think the climate parasites may be in for some big disappointments. From the first page of President Trump’s landmark “Contract with the American Voter“;
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FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars’ worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal.
SIXTH, lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward.
SEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America’s water and environmental infrastructure.
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Read more: https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU-102316-Contractv02.pdf
Sadly its not all good news, the climate movement still has some powerful friends. In Australia the member for Goldman Sachs, long term climate advocate Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, vowed to push forward regardless with ratifying the job destroying Paris Agreement.
Turnbull government, ignoring Trump election, proceeds with Paris climate agreement ratification
The Turnbull government has ratified the Paris climate agreement, formalising Australia’s commitment to a global effort to curb carbon emissions and reduce the risk of dangerous climate change.
The move comes less than a day after US voters elected Donald Trump, a sceptic of climate science, to become the next president. The US is the world’s second-highest carbon-dioxide emitter after China.
Australia is already experiencing an increase in extreme conditions from climate change – and it’s projected to get worse.
The ratification also comes just before Foreign Minister Julie Bishop and Environment and Energy Minister Josh Frydenberg head to Marrakech, Morocco, where a global meeting is taking place to work on the implementation of the Paris agreement.
“Almost a year from the Paris Conference, it is clear the agreement was a watershed, a turning point,” Malcolm Turnbull told a media conference. “The adoption of a comprehensive strategy has galvanised the international community and spurred on global action.”
The government’s target of cutting 2005-level emissions 26-28 per cent by 2030 now becomes a global commitment, that “we look forward to actively and fully implementing”, he said.
Australia joins more than 100 nations to ratify the global deal agreed last December in Paris.
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Australia’s ratification will bring some cheer to climate negotiators in Morocco, many of whom were stunned by the US election of a climate-denying president.
One European delegate told Fairfax Media that some had become upset as the results rolled in on Wednesday.
“Shock. Terrible. Some were in tears,” said the delegate, describing the reaction. “Many – like me – were blocking it out and seeking refuge in sarcasm.”
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I suspect we’re seeing the beginning of a global attempt to pressure President Trump into watering down his electoral commitments, but I also think they have chosen the wrong President to try to bully – President Trump is not an unprincipled professional sellout like some of his predecessors.
He will not buckle
Walter, i think you might underestimate the powers that (shouldnt) be. Big players now have special interests in the scheme that is growing and growing. Carbon-credits, carbon-trade, carbon-storage (like U.N. Redd), Electric cars and so on, and so on. The head wind (pun intended) will be humongous and magnificent, I hope Trump will be able to pull thru. Again, don’t underestimate the stakes, we’ll see.
As we saw a few days ago, Trump wins. If this is his platform, he will get it done. Mind you, the climate stuff seems the easiest on the list, so I expect those to happen. The trade stuff, particularly with China, may be pulled back a bit. Since I am not an economist, I must leave open the possibility for that. This stuff, though, is all within our country. There is no problem there that I can see.
Mike_GenX (@MikeGenx) commented: “…This stuff, though, is all within our country. There is no problem there that I can see.”
The world wide pressure will continue until more countries defeat the AGW scam. Four years? Maybe eight years? After what they’ve invested they will counterattack and wait. We need to kill this once and for all and not just kick the can down the road.
What is being ignored in this situation is a character named Ebell.
Trump will yank the spending. Congress will happily redirect or erase it.
Ebell will deal with the ‘Climate Team’. I assume the Gavinator and pals are going to receive new bosses and very explicit orders.
Attempts to deceive or evidence of manipulation will rapidly attrit employee positions.
It will not take long for Ebell to ferret out productive staff and dross wasting time, money and science; also known as short termers banned from lobbyist positions after leaving civil service.
I wonder where maniacal and Trenberth & co. plan to get their next grants?
(Does anyone else hear squealing?)
” I wonder where maniacal and Trenberth & co. plan to get their next grants?…”
My guess is the scientists will be discarded in favor of hooligans to turn public opinion around because now skeptic scientists can be heard and the warmists know they can’t win that battle. Most likely the attacks will be in the form of demonstrations and civil disobedience. Either way we’ll continue having to endure Climate Change propaganda for quite some time as the pockets are deep.
Some folks are able to give up modern living so they can travel around being civilly disobedient and demonstrating.
I assume some of the climate boondogglers are too inept for burger flipping and will end up in their parent’s basements and hitching rides to demonstrations.
However, most will find some sort of job and either deny contributing to climatology science or come clean about how they were ‘forced’ into climate alarm research.
Maybe Josh can do a graphic of a bald guy with wispy beard at the Mcburger window or counter?
Can I get that hokeystick burger medium rare with two pickles?
He put his faith in the American people to make him POTUS.
He knows they will stand behind him and dump the non-performing rinos next time.
Just because President Elect Donald Trump will rightfully not force the country down the renewable energy sinkhole doesn’t preclude any American from doing any personal efficiency upgrades like installing rooftop solar panels at unsubsidized cost or installing Tesla Battery Backups at unsubsidized cost or buying an electric vehicle fit simply won’t be purchased at a subsidized price by federal mandate. If you think fossil fuels cause harm, don’t utilize them no one is going to force you to
+1 Save the earth on your own. Don’t drag everyone down to help with your fantasy.
I’ll add to that. I live in Southern CT. I do not believe that CO2 is the primary factor, or even a significant one, in driving climate. I do not have access to natural gas in my home, as many in the North East do not. Oil or propane delivery are my only options, and my home was built with an oil furnace. After doing my homework, I discovered that an air source heat pump can heat my home more cheaply than oil, even with today’s prices, than oil on all but the coldest days of the year. My math, and experience now since I am in my second heating season with the heat pump, shows that temps below 20 or so are my break even point. So, when it’s warmer, I use the heat pump, at night, in the coldest months of the year, I switch to oil. Last year I saved 200 gallons, and nearly $500. Considering I purchased the heat pump to provide AC, this is a huge bonus, but at this rate the payback is 10 years for a system that should last 20.
The point in all of this, is that it’s a “green” investment, that in my case is actually saving me money. I do not care about burning oil, but I love to save money. Ironically, many of my CO2 is killing us friends and families, will not put the same system on their homes. Sigh.
Mike_GenX: It is ironic that those who complain about CO2 are the ones that often do nothing to reduce their so-called carbon footprint. I use propane for heat, but after the $4/gallon fiasco a couple of years ago, I went back to my woodstove much of the time. They now make “eco-bricks” (compressed sawdust bricks) that burn cleanly and don’t produce the dust and ash wood does. Dust was my biggest problem with wood heat. I did this to save money, not the planet. If propane were reasonable priced, that would be different. The only way I found to avoid being held hostage by propane prices was an alternate source of heat. (Winters are too cold here for the heat pump. I looked at a pellet stove but wood bricks were a better deal.) Economics mean more than climate models, indeed.
Mike_GenX, I hope you included your oil system O&M and replacement costs in the payback calculation.
Unfortunately, the rino senator from Arizona is in for another six years unless he dies in office. He’s way older than Trump. On a side note, the democrats that have been supporting his re-election over the years saw a chance to run a democrat against him because of Hillary. They obviously lost, but it was looking to be a close thing and McCain actually did phone banks and traveling the state. He was saved by people like me who don’t want the seat turned over to the democrats.
“The move comes less than a day after US voters elected Donald Trump, a sceptic of climate science”‘
No he isn’t a “climate science skeptic”, he is a CO2 based global warming theory skeptic, “Climate science” are two words that have no meaning or basis and only showed up after all the other headlines failed. These people keep changing the goalposts every time they realize they are losing the game.
Very important point, I feel, asybot . . though I think the alarming part of the now operative theory you describe is wise to stress often. A bit of warming is cool . . ; )
I like that the Chinese are warning him he should not withdraw from the CO2 agreements, or there will be major consequences. Ha! That’s the type of “negotiating” he warned us about and that he will fix.
“The Art of the Deal.” ‘Nuff said.
You mean the same Chinese who announced this week a near term acceleration of coal plant construction?
Yup, those Chinese. They are about to learn that he can’t be pushed around like Obama.
I’m pretty sure the President only has veto control over the budget, the appropriations for UN funding come from Congress. Even though Republican’s control Congress that’s no guarantee they don’t support the AGW hypothesis. All Trump can really do is refuse to authorize a budget that includes those items, and since there’s no line item veto they caould make it difficult if they want.
He really can’t do some of the things he claims he can, for instance I’m not certain he can stop Congress from ratifying the Paris Agreement since it’s already been signed by Obama? How does he “unsign” it?
Go for it.
The good thing is that Trump owes very few if any favors to green lobbyists. As a good number of greens are close allies of Hillary Rodham Clinton, he has even more motivation to turn down any entreaties they issue. He also seems astute enough to rcognize a rent-seeking scam like “renewable energy” as currently organized.
This is the first time I’ve seen that document. If no one else signed it, it’s not a contract.
There is not enough space on the document for 300,000,000 signatures and assorted X’s. It is a pledge, in writing, which is far more than the Hildabeast, or the Obummersia. If he keeps his written word, its contract enough for me and I’ll vote for him, again.
Your worthless comment came from and belongs in the dust bin.
A contract is an agreement to work together.
A verbal contract is every bit as binding as a written contract. So, you don’t have to have signed anything for a contract to be in force.
But flyoverbob is correct, it’s more of a pledge.
“A verbal contract is every bit as binding as a written contract.”
Not so except in very, very few common law jurisdictions, Hong Kong being one.
@David Chappell
It is absolutely so, anywhere in the US. It goes back to British Common Law, which is still applicable here for principles and practices that date before July 4, 1776.
A “gentleman’s” contract is legal and binding as long as both parties remain “gentlemen”.
littlepeaks November 10, 2016 at 9:09 pm
“This is the first time I’ve seen that document. If no one else signed it, it’s not a contract.”
Hello littlespeaks, I seem to see President elect Trump’s signature down on the lower left.
As for mine, well I think my marking his name on a ballot and signing the envelope and mailing it, along with the nearly 60 million of our fellow citizens who voted for Trump meets your “missing” requirements.
michael
OK, only one person would have to sign it, for bean counters like you little peaks. Actually, I think it would be a wonderful thing to promote the idea of his voters to sign it and mail it to the Whitehouse. Anyone know how to launch such a great campaign like this?
When DJT pulls the climate aid money and threatens UN funding to UNFCCC, the international climate hustle will be over. The rest of the West will have to follow the collapse of the UNFCCC brokered scam.
With the Obama CPP and EPA regs going in the trash on January 20, the domestic climate hustle will be finished.
The ole 1-2, you’re out Green Blob. The Supreme Court will be safe. If any Federal judge rules against the Trump Admin actions, Trump can go to the Republican controlled Congress and re-write whatever law that Judge is relying on in their ruling.
It really is game over for The Climate Hustle…. Everywhere.
Precisely. The laugh-a-minute regarding Australia’s (my country) piffling “ratification” of that non-binding Paris nonsense is attempting to tell us we’re all troglodytes. If the US simply fails to live up to the treaty, which is perfectly legal, then any other country can and the thing dissolves.
It will be enlightening to see which developed countries try to make up for the 25% the U.S. now puts into the IPCC. Just think of all the Third World delegates sitting home instead of being paid to junket at high-end resorts.
He calls AGW a hoax. He obviously knows enough about it and the damage it’s doing to want to eliminate it. He’s also brazen enough to do everything he said he was going to do against it. He’ll use the office of the President to get his way just like Obama did. Hopefully he’ll use the majority power he’ll have to completely put it in the grave.
Give the man a minute to absorb things…….
Then we’ll begin to turn up the heat, it’s only fair.
He’s got over 2 months before he can do anything.
You could draft up one hell of an Executive Order in two months. He’s just got to wait to sign it.
oh, holy crap! that’s good!
the paris stuff is missing still, but the un part is … well, i want to believe it… but i history tells me wait till it happens…
From Trumps perspective the Paris crap is just crap. Since Congress has not ratified it, it can’t be a treaty and therefore does not exist. When he cancels Obama’s exec orders Paris will be among them.
Not Congress, as that implies both the House and the Senate. Only the Senate is requured (and a signature from the President).
Mark T November 10, 2016 at 11:02 pm
You are mostly right but the House still has to vote funds and they can shut it down with amendments in other legislation. The present administration got away with as much as it did because Congress did not foresee the loopholes that the administration would use.
Oh btw, because the Senate never ratified the Iran deal all of the prohibitions again trading and transferring funds to the Nation should still be in affect.
Note any US government official has some protections if ordered by the President. The President of course does not.
Odd these people don’t learn from other people’s mistakes. Like Watergate and Iran-Contra.
michael
“When he cancels Obama’s exec orders”
That’s when the paid-protestor Climatards are unleashed to agitate and destroy.
President Obama’s legacy is built on executive order and middle of the night legislation. Poof.
Other than for failed policies, Obama’s lasting legacy will be the final destruction of the New Deal Democrat Party coalition forged during the Great Depression. Prior Democrat Party depredations, including LBJ’s, lost them the South. Current Democrat Party depredations, including Obama, Clinton, MSM, SJW, Greens, etc. lost them the Midwest and blue collar voters.
Please note the majority of States, localities and the Congress are controlled by the Republicans. That is largely due to people’s resentment at being looked down upon by social and political elites. Joe the plumber can reason just as well as John the professor, and Joe doesn’t like it when you tell him to shut up and follow his betters.
And being the millstone around Hillary’s neck, blocking both of her runs at the WH. Keeping us out of two more terms of the Clintons may be judged by history as his greatest accomplishment.
I’ve been hearing that for my whole life. The Donald will have to find something that hasn’t been tried already. I’m not holding my breath.
Turkeys and Christmas spring to mind!
I swear to God, I thought turkeys could fly !
https://youtu.be/lf3mgmEdfwg?t=123
@Marcus! LOL!!! OMG, that was the best episode ever!
Marcus, as a former (and somewhat proud) free-range turkey rancher, I can personally attest that some species of turkeys really can fly. Not the ones you find in stores, but some of them I raised Narragansetts. They fly. 🙂
I think he has to start by changing the EPA funding paradigm from anthropogenic to natural forcing. We all need to send him a note to that effect. Nothing changes minds faster than cold hard cash.
Why don’t those climate delegates just go out and block traffic somewhere.
They could Stand in middle of the Jersey Turnpike at rush hour. That would be fine with me.
Well, in LA and elsewhere they are doing just that, but with a much larger “NOT OUR PRESIDENT” agenda. Sadly the tantrum throwers do cause significant traffic issues, counterproductively causing more inefficient fuel use. Sometimes you just can’t fix stupid.
Don’t be silly! That would take real dedication, and more than a modicum of danger. After all, they could fall down and scrape a knee.
The faithful are not payed enough for that.
And cut into their iPad and latte time at Starbucks.
Not a good idea to mess with the police in Morocco.
To bad we can’t send them all to where Michael Rockefeller was last seen. Papua New Guinea I think.
I mean it does have tourism you know.
michael
The Papuans invited him for dinner I expect.
Do you mean the Papuans invited him AS dinner?
I believe it was western New Guinea, now called Irian Jaya.
Well, as long as they still eat people there I don’t think we should argue about it…
Coupled with the first group of measures (Washington, DC shake up), it will be nearly impossible for green interest groups to inflict any further damage on the economy, no matter how much more and harder they’ll have to work on that.
Excellent post as usual. There’s no doubt that the President Elect will be pressured, schmoozed, flattered, sucked up to, and begged by the sycophants feeding at the ‘climate change’ trough. There are certainly a lot of them.
In Nicollo Machiavelli’s The Prince, he warned those in power to be extremely careful of flatterers. They surround every powerful person, and they’re hard to resist.
Mr. T should assume that they want their gravy train to continue. And he should always keep one thing in mind: A President has no friends.
The President Elect owes his allegiance to the voters who elected him — not to the swarm of bureaucrats, minor electeds, and the international parasites constantly buzzing around and telling him what he ‘must do’.
The only thing he ‘must do’ is keep his promises to the best of his ability. The most effective action he could take is to lay off the entire federal EPA bureaucracy. That would put the sycophants (servile flatterers) on the defensive. The way it is now, they’re trying to set his agenda.
The EPA should be a State function anyway. That way we could judge which state laws are effective, and which ones are a waste of money. Because when the federal government gets involved, a self-interested bureaucracy quickly establishes itself, and changing anything becomes a practically impossible undertaking. Better to eliminate these federal make-work departments, and use the money saved to solve real problems. There are plenty of those.
That also applies to the Department of Energy, the Dep’t of Education, etc. They are giant, self-serving bureaucracies that produce neither energy nor a well educated workforce. They exist primarily for their own benefit, not for the good of the country — no matter what they may claim publicly.
Eliminate them! Lower taxes with the money saved. And watch the economy take off.
John Podesta is the ultimate flatterer. It is how he got himself started in Democrat circles and worked the monied interests on climate from there.
Did you catch his late night speech at Hillary HQ? Masterful delivery. He emptied that hall without incident and without giving away the fact that they knew it was all over.
@ Alan Robertson, “Did you catch his late night speech at Hillary HQ? Masterful delivery. He emptied that hall without incident and without giving away the fact that they knew it was all over’
Yes I did , My wife and I laughed our AO because of the way the sheep all turned around as if they were herded and left!
Did you folks know that Podesta had organised funding of activist
Green protest groups in Australia who have been using our court system to block and delay major coal development projects proceeding as a strategem to deter potential investors local and foreign
Australia is the number one coal exporting nation with our major customers being China India Japan
Our green ratbags dont much like that
I know you guys would not like it one bit if say an Aus billionaire used his financial muscle to stop some eco development in the states not that is likely
So please Mr Trump put a stop to Mr Podesta’s nefarious activities in our nation which has long been a good ally to the US
Thom, the game is rarely what it seems. Competing international energy organizations have been using “green” attacks on each other since WWII. For example Russia is behind the anti-fracking movement in the US since they’re the principal supplier of natural gas to Europe. If they can reduce US production they eliminate competition.
What other country produces coal? The US is one. It’s possible, even likely, the “green” attacks on the Oz coal industry was actually funded by US coal producers. Follow the money.
No-one could have stated it better.
IMHO the EPA does have a federal role in pollution control across interstate boundaries and in our waterways. However, the EPA should have little to no say regarding anything other than limiting chemical or biological contaminants to our environment. While the states should have primary control in the activities within their jurisdiction, the feds need to mediate interstate issues. The wind doesn’t stay within state borders nor does flowing water.
dbstealey: two thumbs-up!
There was a clear difference between George W Bush and Al Gore on the climate issue.
One of the first things Bush did was file the Kyoto treaty in the round file since it was not going to be ratified. Bush made increasing our energy resources a priority while also looking at ways to reduce the environmental impact. Under Bush we modernized coal plants and started building new nukes. We also started investing in more renewable energy. We can do both.
Obama’s war on coal and pipelines is stupid. It should not be hard for POTUS Trump to come up with a more balanced policy. Pipelines have less environmental impact than shipping oil in rail cars.
Yes but one of Obama’s benefactors owns a lot of Rail Lines and the gravy train would end if the pipeline were built.
That benefactor’s also heavily invested in wind “farms”. More honestly, he’s a subsidy farmer.
Can’t blame him, in a way. Throw the stick out there and the dog’ll go fetch it.
(Ok, you can blame him.)
Yeah, bush invested in that dopey gasahol and look where it got us. Markedly higher grocery prices here at home and people dying of starvation round the world. That’s what happens when you put a rino with his head up his ass in charge. There is no need to worry about lowering emissions because the carbon growth rate tracks with temperature. (curbing emissions won’t mean didleysquat) Hopefully trump, unlike bush, is able to read a graph…
E10 had nothing to do with climate. It was about creating an alternate source of transportation fuel from American sources. Read the 2005 energy bill. And it was successful by meeting the modest goal in a short period of time.
It was the dems 2007 energy bill that tried to make ethanol about climate. So far it has failed.
No one in the world is starving because American farmers can not grow enough food. Allowing American farmers to be more productive is a a good thing.
Sure there are those who make up bogus reason for productive American like corn farmers and coal miners to be less productive. They just lost an election.
Because of the higher prices caused by the fake ‘ethanol’ boom; farmers yanked lands out of the “Conservation Reserve Program (CRP)” and once again plow to the very edges of their properties.
Wildlife conservation, the real wildlife conservation not the fake sierra or wildlife fund stuff, took a real hit from the loss of land under CRP. Volunteers have worked hard over recent years to offset the CRP land losses.
Re Corn Ethanol
In 1998 I “inherited” a corn ethanol plant in Wyoming that produced fuel-grade ethanol. At that time, this business relied on huge government subsidies to remain profitable. It probably still does.
I understand that ~40% of the USA corn crop now goes to producing fuel ethanol.
I suggest that growing corn for fuel ethanol in the USA is a grave error, because of excessive drawdown of the huge, vital Ogallala aquifer This is a unfolding “real” environmental disaster that need to be addressed, without further delay.
You are pulling too hard on the Ogallala, and you will run out of water for food crops, sooner than you think.
I suggest there are ways Canada could help, if we had governments with any technical and business competence. Regrettably, we have too many uneducated far-left “progressives” in government here, and they are heading over the green-energy precipice that the USA just avoided.
Regards, Allan
References:
2016 National Geographic article: Ogallala Aquifer
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2016/08/vanishing-midwest-ogallala-aquifer-drought/August
My posts from 2012: “Told you so, four years ago…”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/01/22/weekly-climate-and-energy-news-roundup-38/#more-55226
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/06/nyt-blames-food-crisis-on-climate-change-hides-plea-to-reduce-government-mandated-burning-of-food-for-fuel/#comment-1072955
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/21/dr-john-christys-testimony-before-congress/#comment-1085677
Allan:
As usual from you, a very sane & sober observation about the exhaustion of the Ogilalla Aquifer as a result of the ill-considered, helter-skelter rush to ethanol.
And where are/were the externalities of this accounted for in the pre-ordinance calculations? Where is the (hugely -ve) Present Value of the concomitant dust-bowl, post-depletion — likely measurable in the Trillions of $?
Another rush to excessively hasty policy and action, methinks, sweeping this Inconvenient Truth under the carpet. Which Green morons were responsible for this irresponsible policy?
Addendum to my post:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/21/dr-john-christys-testimony-before-congress/#comment-1085812
Hi Ross.
I think it is past-time to look for solutions to the water shortages in the US.
In no particular order, my questions are:
1. How much more water is available, and from where?
2. How much would the water distribution systems cost?
3. How much water conservation is practical?
4. Do food-to-fuel schemes like corn ethanol and bio-diesel really make environmental sense?
It may be that the solution lies within the USA, by tapping the huge Mississippi system.
Maybe the solution comes in part from Canada. One of the mantras of the Canadian far-left is that we will provide no water to the USA. I just do not see why not. We are neighbours, and we are long-time friends. We supposedly have huge quantities of fresh water that flows to the sea. At the risk of incurring more threats from violent lefties, I think we should look at all possibilities.
The water shortages in the Midwest and California are very serious now, and the trends are generally negative. Much of the world population relies on food production from the USA. This is a real, current environmental and sustainability problem – not a phony one like global warming. I suggest the time for action is now.
Best regards, Allan
Hi Allen:
Inter-basin transfers…..the elephant in the room.
I think there’s a broad, knee-jerk, ignorant, consensus in Canada that if the U.S. wants our water they can:
1. F**k off in perpetuity!
2. F**k off in my lifetime!
3. You have sooooo screwed us over trade-issues such as softwood lumber, pipelines, etc., (the rules are to be flouted at yr whim and “F**k the Disputes Mechanisms” that we are going to screw you as hard as you’ve screwed us (as a political opening statement), and commensurately play ‘hard-ball’.
4. Short of invading us and expropriating out resources, you will have to treat with us.
In short, Allen, this comes down to renegotiating NAFTA. On the table wd be untrammelled pipeline access for Canadian oil and other products to U.S. markets — in default of which, Canada has the right to limit water-transfers (our Crown Jewel!)
BTW, Columbia River Treaty is up for renewal. Might be a good testing-ground…
Trump is a biz-man. He might be the open-Sesame to an acceptable NAFTA renegotiation to our mutual advantage. I foresee scope for *enhancing* NAFTA synergistically without significantly impairing his promise to bring jobs back to USA.
Canadians’ Comparative Advantage lies beyond impacting the resurrection of Rust-Belt jobs, and the interests of blue-collar and middle-management jobs.
Vengeful boogers aren’t they. I’m assuming that’s the Save The Earth First minority. Yes a NAFTA redo is imminent. Unfortunately Trump is vengeful as well (for any reason) so the negotiations should be….well, interesting.
Hi Ross,
Yes, I was contemplating NAFTA, given Trump’s recent comments. I hope he is mainly thinking about Mexico, but Canada may get hit, or sideswiped.
The AutoPact was great for Canada, but NAFTA was a mixed bag. We lost a lot of “branch” manufacturing plants that provided a lot of good jobs. Not sure we won there, especially since we did not appear to have an industrial strategy post-NAFTA to adjust to the changes – I think a 100% CCA rate on new manufacturing equipment should have been introduced decades earlier.
It did not help that Ontario destroyed its manufacturing competitiveness with green energy scams that drove up energy costs – the very destructive legacies of Doltan McGuinty and Kathleen Wynn. Alberta is now trying to out-do the green energy debacle of Ontario – just as other venues are backing out, we are jumping in. The utter stupidity of these green energy schemes proves that we are governed by scoundrels and imbeciles.
Regarding the leftists typical aggressive rhetoric in these matters, as you allude to above, I have always found that when negotiating with someone who is ten times bigger than you and much better armed, it is best to speak in a calm and reasonable manner. As Project Manager for a foreign oil play that was later sold to the Chinese for over $4 billion, I was in charge during two armed invasions, one of my head office and one of my field camp. Both of these events were managed with no physical harm to anyone – I rejected suggestions to call in the local Police or the Army (who tend to “go in shooting and let God sort them out”). We just sorted it out ourselves.
The conduct of the USA re softwood lumber and the Keystone XL pipeline was reprehensible. Keystone in particular was an enormous strategic benefit to the USA with NO environmental downside and lots of upside, but we were played in order to pander to the enviro-extremists. However, look at who was President; and now we have Justin in Ottawa, a youngster who never held a responsible job before becoming Prime Minister – not really an entry position.
Back to NAFTA: If we do start to think strategically and competently on both sides of our long common border, we could come up with a deal that would greatly benefit both countries. Let’s hope so. I wonder of the boys and girls in Ottawa have even started to think about this – probably not, they are still in denial re the Trump election, or are bargaining with God to reverse it.
Best, Allan
Goofball unelected unaccountable undisciplined and incompetent bureaucrats living the high life on the backs of taxpayers.
President Donald Trump’s promise to “cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America’s water and environmental infrastructure.” makes one very hopeful that he means what he said and he will cut off a big slice of the Climate gravy train. Sadly in Australia, we are still afflicted by the ignorant Turnbull, who has not studied the great Climate boondoggle in detail and still believes that CO2 causes runaway warming. It will take several more years in Australia before all the pennies drop and Australians cease to be bled dry by Climate Alarmism.
At least you have the option of voting One Nation?
500,000 people did.
Which is impressive since the Australian population is only 23,000,000
“Felflames November 11, 2016 at 2:25 am
500,000 people did.
Which is impressive since the Australian population is only 23,000,000”
Make that 22,999,999 as I don’t consider Turnbull(Coat) part of the population.
In my opinion, President Obama’s legacy will be, in great part, his failure to see that the law is faithfully executed. By choosing which laws (not) to enforce and by choosing whose crimes will be ignored, he has set an example for all future presidents to avoid at all costs.
Good point. Obama has been enabled by a complicit media which ends up as the worst form of government possible next to a dictator who also enjoys a complicit media. If for no other reason, Trump will be a better president than Hillary would have been since the media will resume it’s role to become a watchdog, probably overdoing it since that’s what they do to a Republican today.
Such quaint naivety.
I apologize, Catcracking… I blew past the gist of what you were saying and then commented.
You nailed it.
How true.
My Prediction:
After 8 long years without a single mention, on Jan. 20, the media will rediscover the plight of America’s Homeless. Unexpectedly!
The Plight of the Homeless will be relentlessly used to highlight the wanton cruelty of the republican administration. Global Warming will be a sideshow.
And so it begins.
doesn’t matter….no Trump supporter will ever trust the media again
They had the sense to refer to him as a skeptic and not hang the “d” word on him.
Yes, they have to show him some respect now if they hope to get anywhere with him. It must hurt. 🙂
It doesn’t matter what they, or Trump, think about the Paris agreement. The US is not a part of it.
The first six pledges we could do with here
in Australia
Our former trade minister who negotiated several trade agreements has recently resigend from Parliament to take up a senior post with the Chinese company with which our territory and national governments stupidly entered into an agreement for a long term lease of our most northen port Darwin which is very close to Asia.
Asia is so close that a few years back some blokes rigged an outboard motor to a “boat” made of empty beer cans and sailed it from Darwin to Singapore
Not only that but the port is next door to a major military and air force base housing among others 600 US marines
How dumb can you get?
Its a standard lease, similar to the one Britain signed when they picked up Hong Kong.
Do not be afraid of the Chinese influx, their brilliant children will be running Australia within a generation.
I am one of the deplorable voters. I have a college degree, I have worked in both private and government positions and am willing to give the man a chance. If he can accomplish just 1/4 of the items on this list I would think that he has been successful in a start down the right path for our republic. Accountability for ones actions is one of the biggest wishes I have. I am so dismayed with people not being held responsible for their actions. It seems you let one get by with it and the next one doubles down to see if they can get a get out of jail free card. Enough is enough.
If Trump was not my man previously, he is most certainly now.
We could use a man like this in my country!
Roger
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com
“Five actions to restore security and the constitutional rule of law:
First, cancel every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum and order issued by President Obama”
There should no doubt that USA entered into the Paris climate agreement by an unconstitutional executive agreement signed by President Obama. I just wonder how he got away with it.
He didn’t. He simply promised to abide by it. It is non-binding.
It is treated as an agreement by other parties like the United Nations.
And it has been said that it takes 4 years to get out of it. (Wish I had a reference to where that is stated). It looks like a treaty to me.
What has Obama put his signature to then?
http://unfccc.int/paris_agreement/items/9444.php
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Signature: 22 Apr 2016
Ratification Acceptance (A): 3 Sep 2016 A
It is a matter of American Constiutional Law. As it is a treaty, it is not binding on the US unless ratified by a two-thirds vote of the Senate. So, Trump is free to either ignore the Paris Accord or submit it to the Senate, where it would lose.
I guess that is my point – it is either illegal or non binding. It can´t possibly be legal and binding.
It takes no time to get out of. It has not been ratified and is thus a moot point. Treaty power is clearly defined in the Constitution as noted by Tom Halls. You would do well to learn it before telling us all what you think you know about our legal obligations.
I would love to be a fly on the wall in the halls of Marrakech right now, listening to the bleatings of the climate faithful and assorted ecoloons, as they consider the era of gravy trains and bad science is about to hit the buffers.
No, Europe will continue to fund the gravy train. Regrettably, Australia and New Zealand will, too.
Certainly Australia ratified the Paris agreement this week and Germany today agreed on a new climate plan to announce at the conference – much more renewable energy, apparently
Griffie, how naive. Without the U.S., the whole thing falls apart over time. Developed countries cannot compete against China, India, etc., much less a resurgent U.S. Poverty has a way of focusing one’s attention on what really matters.
“Griff November 11, 2016 at 7:13 am”
Australia did no such thing.
But Griffie so much wants it, it must be true.
Following Brexit, there is a lot of economic pressure on the UK going hell for leather on fracking. It appears 9but nothing is certain0 that the UK has a lot of reserves, and the UK has a need for cheap energy if it is to stimulate industrial growth.
The UK and the US could make strong allies in confronting the IPCC madness, and the green diatribe.
“richard verney November 11, 2016 at 12:52 am
Following Brexit, there is a lot of economic pressure on the UK going hell for leather on fracking.”
The Brits have been fracking since the 80’s.
BHO and Trump got this picture:
http://i66.tinypic.com/1675mhd.jpg
The Moveon.org protestors and fragile snowflakes didn’t.
For the rest of the Green Left-wing establishment, they are all still smug in their self-righteousness of knowing what is best for the Basket of Deplorables. And that means they need more tax money. Carbon trading taxes and schemes was one of their last, best hopes to milk Western economic engines.
Turns out Clinton got more votes from humans than Trump did.
Most of the red is empty paddocks.
Trump didn’t contest those areas where the voting machines allocate one extra Democrat vote for every Republican vote entered.
The map shows fairly clearly where mafia influence and Democrat corruption rule.
As Ann Althouse wrote – the popular vote is a stray statistic from a game which wasn’t being played on the main field.
Yes she did, tony mcleod – a statisticly insignificant 0.2% more.
tony mcleod November 10, 2016 at 11:49 pm
Turns out Clinton got more votes from humans than Trump did.
Most of the red is empty paddocks.
Maybe maybe not, there is one group that is always counted late and people tend to forget about them unless the vote is very close.
The Military vote. All of the personal serving abroad use mail in ballots it can take a few weeks for them to arrive. Considering the difference between the two candidates is about 390,000. Just the crews and base personal for the navy could nullify that difference. Then you have Army, Marines Air force.
I seem to remember Al Gore and his minions trying to discount thousands of military ballots in Florida.
Oh well we will see in a few weeks as they trickle in.
Oh and sorry to crap on your picnic.
michael
Hilarious, I don’t care won and you lot have got your panties all bunched up.
Given democrats don’t think they belong the human race which elected Trumpm and given the amount of rigging, I think you need to prove your point.
I didn’t like Trump, to be honest, but I’ll need to give him a chance to prove his skills.
Tony,
There are about 11 million MORE or less undocumented immigrants and Obama encouraged them to vote even though it’s currently illegal. If only 1% of them actually voted how many do you think voted for Trump?
ooops. Meant to say 5%
I would imagine that the cemeteries of California and Chicago were solidly for Hillary.
Paddocks?
Shows what you know.
America does contain large areas with few people living rural lives. Not the urban life of walking to restaurants’, pizza, groceries, sushi bars, what not.
Guess where the Clinton voters live?
Whilst a lot of the red is sparsely populated, the map well illustrates the universal attraction of Trump and his politics.
It is really telling how few pockets of blue exist. America as a whole, is clearly behind Trump.
Maps like that always depress me. I moved to Wyoming to get away from Social Democrats who absolutely rule the coast of California. Where do I move? Lincoln County. It’s right under the cancerous blue splotch on the upper left side of the state. 90% or more of the population there are Snowflake’s living in Mom’s vacation home on trust funds. It’s actually better in CA.
Why does the party of the working class now dominate the richest parts of the country? When did farmers become Republicans and suburban industrialists turn blue? It’s not even all the farmers either, California farmers seem divided on the subject? It’s weird.
more and more I’m seeing the brilliance of having a President who doesn’t give a sh*t what anybody outside of this country thinks about him.
Common sense isn’t restricted to CONUS. Heard of Brexit before?
My Texan workmate here in Aus is as pleased as pie Trump won!!
Trump could do the unthinkable, submit the Paris Accords to Senate for Ratification. Where after illuminating debate, they are rejected.
Doing so he’d run the risk of an unexpected approval and consent.
Obama’s still got two months to try it. Try very hard now, and you just might be able to work out why he won’t.
That’s for certain.
But, otoh, no politician ever has been able to keep all his promises. There are going to be disappointments.
True, but Trump is not a politician.
Call him Trump, politician, president elect, president or call him names, he won’t be able to keep all his promises. He can’t walk on water either.
You miss my point, Trump has never been a politician, he is not beholding to anyone, he doesn’t think like a politician, he is seventy years old he will probably not stand again, he has control of both houses, what’s to stop him keeping his pledge to the American people?
Beholden.
Very true, but pledging not to pay for something is a lot easier to accomplish than raising new money to pay for something. Hopefully, the green merry go round will lose all funding and scientists won’t get unrestricted funding thrown at them simply by claiming nasal hair causes GW so a study to count every nasal hair in the country must be conducted forthwith.
PhD’s are going to become awfully cheap soon. Many people in government climate-related positions are going to look for lateral moves. I really don’t have any idea as to what climate professors and academic departments are going to do when the Federal dollars dry up. Modelers may try to force their way into economics departments.
I assume President The Donald will have to sequester FY 2017 climate moneys if he is to affect climate funding in the near term. I assume there will be some massive changes.
The simple fact is that Trump needs to create jobs, real jobs.
Creating jobs is not as easy as it sounds. Trump is a business man. he can see the maths. If the US is to compete with China it needs to have energy at the same price as in China. US wages will always be higher than China, but if products can be made at home the saving in shipping costs can offset the higher domestic wage.
The easiest way to create some real jobs is to open up the coal mines, and pull away from the expensive renewables. This will create jobs in the rust belt states and by switching back to fossil fuels as the main energy source, the cost of energy can be brought down to Chinese levels and will enable US steel and aluminum to compete with foreign imports,
I think that Trump has to go hell for leather on coal and gas. .he has no choice if he is to create some real jobs. This alone will mean that the Paris Accord will be thrown out.
Naturally, there will be a lot of opposition to that strategy and to overcome the opposition, he will need to show that cAGW is a hoax. I see an attack on the IPCC and the temperature data records going hand in hand with a policy favouring fossil fuels.
I consider that the climate alarmists should be concerned because the number one policy of a Trump administration is the creation of jobs, and green technologies are a drag on job creation, whereas powering forward on fossil fuels will encourage growth and jobs.
The sh@t is about to hit the fan of reality and ordinary commercial business sense.
Go Trump.
Genuine query: what effect does cancelling NAFTA have on Us jobs? Do they come back from Mexico ??
Not likely, but at least it might stop the bleeding. GM just announced they are planning to move 2,000 more jobs to Mexico, and John Deere is rumoured to be planning the same, which would all but kill manufacturing in the Quad cities.
What it will do is increase the gross prices of goods produced there that are then import taxed upon entering the U.S. creating an environment where goods produced here would be more competitive price wise and making relocating there less financially lucrative…bottom line
Back to demand and supply at competitive costs without subsidies.
Yup. Now that Trump has been elected, all the same people who said he didn’t have a chance or was unfit for the job and in every other possible way were promoting Hillary Clinton will be telling him all the things he “needs” to do.
Interesting times.
I’d like to think that the leaders of nations are intelligent enough and strong enough to admit when they are wrong and change policy.
America will damage its reputation and prosperity and future if it rejects the science of climate change.
and what’s with the language of ‘betrayal’ lately?
Until brexit and Trump opposition to the policy of a government was just that, opposition, not betrayal.
Democracy is suffering from this rhetoric…
It is the anthropogenic factor that is currently overguessed, overmodeled or overestimated, if there is any. Climate has and always will change. And for scientific reputation it is of outstanding importance to discuss results and findings and revoke them if facts are misinterpreted. That’s real science.
Democracy suffers when politicians fail to honour their commitments. If your vote doesn’t count, because politicians break all their promises, what do you think happens next?
Eventually some very irritated citizens decide to hold a revolution.
Has happened in the US before,nothing to stop that happening again.
Griff November 11, 2016 at 1:33 am
Hello Griff,
let me put things in perspective for you. Up until the fall of the Soviet Union the The United State was quit willing to toss the entire world into the fire just so we could keep our political system, our freedoms, rights, life styles. If the USSR attacked we would not limit our response to a token strike as the rest of the world counciled we would hit them with ever thing we had. Not a brick on a brick nor a stick on a stick would be left. It did not matter, if we were to perish so would our enemies and it did not matter who else along with us.
Do you really think we care about what the rest of the world thinks?
When this country was founded we were the only Nation not beholden to to a King, Prince of Emperor. We ignored all of them. Just as we will ignore cop 22,23,24,56, beginning to understand, are we learning yet?
The Jig is up. Get over it. This country has more important things to do then be ensnared in the scam you peddle
michael
“Mike the Morlock November 11, 2016 at 2:26 am”
And American nukes arrived in the UK, Greenham Common base in the early 1980’s, 1984 IIRC. I recall seeing the arrival from the A34, just outside Newbury, Berkshire (Pronounced Barkshire).
Hmm! Back to US isolationism then?
There are parts of the world where the US taking its ball home would be seen as a great benefit…
However, I think the US pulling out of world affairs is ultimately bad: it has been a shining example of democracy over the years.
“When this country was founded we were the only Nation not beholden to to a King, Prince of Emperor.”
—
You forgot Switzerland, whose existence as an independent republic predates that of the U.S. by several hundred years. Its model of democratic governance is far superior to that provided by the American constitution.
Swiss-style direct democracy would be the most effective countermeasure against the corruption prevailing in Washington, as well as in most other Western capitals. As long as you delegate all power to a small number of people, these will always be targets of corruption. However, it is difficult to bribe a whole people to vote against its own best interests.
“Griff November 11, 2016 at 1:33 am
I’d like to think that the leaders of nations are intelligent enough and strong enough to admit when they are wrong and change policy.”
There’s your problem, you thought and you thought wrong that leaders are intelligent and strong. Or do you mean lying manipulative bar stewards? On the latter, I would agree.
“I’d like to think that the leaders of nations are intelligent enough and strong enough to admit when they are wrong and change policy”
Yep, Trump is among the first to wake up and realise the IMMENSE economic and environmental damage caused by the AGW agenda.
He will now start to RESTORE America’s reputation and prosperity, and base his efforts on REAL science , rather than the conjured fabrications of the AGW scam..
Other countries will soon follow.
Griff commented: “…America will damage its reputation and prosperity and future if it rejects the science of climate change…”
Quite the opposite. When the truth comes out it will be regarded as a savior….without firing a shot. For once science will have a voice and audience with the US government.
I am sure Trump really doesn’t care about Obama’s body language.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-election/us-election-2016-donald-trump-and-barack-obama-in-awkward-first-meeting-20161111-gsn241.html
Donald Trump, when he becomes President, can completely undo COP21 and the UN global warming artifice through two simple acts – withdrawing U.S. participation and denying funding for the Green Climate Fund. The COP21 agreement is merely an agreement to submit plans to reduce emissions and to pay money into the fund with the intention that the total committed be no less than $100 billion per year. There was no agreed formula for how the $100 billion would be allocated, among donors or recipients, except that the money would come from the “wealthy” countries and would go to the less developed countries. The developing country group, led by India, has stated firmly that, unless the wealthy countries provide the funding they want (with no strings attached as to how they will actually use, or account for, the funds), they will not undertake the immensely expensive measures that would be required to phase out the use of fossil fuels within a generation. Thus, with no money from the country expected to be the largest donor, the Green Climate Fund has no prospect of meeting the developing countries’ demands, and they correspondingly will not sacrifice their economic development prospects. As, according to the International Energy Agency, almost all emissions growth will occur in the developing countries (including especially the Asian ones), the goals of COP21 cannot be achieved. The UN will have to go back to the drawing board. The good news for all the delegates is that this creates an almost endless set of opportunities for conferences in exotic places in future.
I think that it takes 4 years to withdraw from the Paris Accord, ie., one term of office.
But then again, the Paris Accord is non binding in that it merely sets out aspirations, not legally binding obligations backed up by the force of law.
I have little doubt that Trump will go hell for leather on coal and gas. To make America great requires this so that it can compete with China and the other developing nations..
yes – you can’t withdraw for 3 and must give 1 year’s notice.
(did you notice Australia ratified this week?)
GRIFF !!! It is a non binding agreement, it is not even worth the paper it is written on….Executive Orders mean nothing to a new president…
Without the Clean Power Plan, the U.S. “Executive Agreement” means nothing. Without Green Fund money, the U.S. “Executive Agreement” means nothing. Without negotiations for ratcheting up Aspirations, the U.S. “Executive Agreement” means nothing.
The U.S. “Executive Agreement” means nothing. How often does it need to be said before people like Griffie get it. The decades long scam is coming to an end. The curtain behind which climate scammers hide has been drawn back. No more “Uncle Sugar” to the climate special pleaders.
RV — Ah, the power of the word “no” trumps any piece of paper. (Prepare for many, many uses of the word “trump” in the next few years!) One simple Presidential Finding — an Executive Order — and you’d be amazed at how many problems simply go *poof*! (Um, not in the Australian definition… ). The United States of America may be a constitutional Republic, but the President has so many powers. It’s something that can be abused, of course (as we’ve seen), but the beauty is in the proper use.
“Griff November 11, 2016 at 7:07 am
yes – you can’t withdraw for 3 and must give 1 year’s notice.
(did you notice Australia ratified this week?)”
No we didn’t.
Marcus, well that’s interesting, isn’t it? Clearly someone signed an international treaty under a certain set of terms. Should keep legal types busy…
Trump is too smart to be fooled by the climate change bullsh*t. The Western World, let alone the USA can’t afford this fairy magic any longer.
And Turnbull can’t afford it either. The bloke has got to have some common sense.
He doesn’t have to. He will pass on that cost to the rest of the country. He’s sweet, worth several tens of millions of AU$s. Every time I see his gums flapping on news channels I want to reach for a bucket!
Elitist, career, politicians such as Turnbull(Coat) are running scared IMO. I think Brexit was, possibly, the spark that lit the touch paper that resulted in the explosion of anti-elitist-career-politician sentiment among angry voters.
Listen up elitist, career, politicians, “Yes we can!” Remind you of anything?
You are right and after not one but two great
stuff ups in three months of the electricity system of South Australia bringing that state ( with already high unemployment to a standstill associated with unreliable renewables I think the penny has dropped with the Feds and many of the public .
The sight of idiot inner city greens cheering
the imminent closure of the 1600 MW brown
coal fired plant at Hazelwood inVictoria with loss of over a 1000 jobs in a depressed area
is not going to go down well with the public
That loss also means Victoria’s ability to export brown coal power to SA when the
wind does not blow there will be considerably lessened -something the green idiots of SA might like to factor into their risk management- “of their grid -assuming they know what that is
Nevermind: SA will be able to export excess wind power to Victoria, as it did recently.
There’s also plenty of underused coal capacity to compensate for Hazelwood.
Australia is building a lot of new soalr and solar CSP and storage… and the powerwall goes on sale next year.
Australia is heading for more and more renewables
Australia is heading down the sh!tter Griff…
Last time I checked there were not 200 countries recognised by the UN. These AAAS-holes can’t say anything without lying and exaggerating. At the next meeting in 6 months they’ll be claiming it’s 212 countries.
Eric…is Malcolm Roberts going to make a difference…I mean help bring the whole thing down?
I suspect Pauline Hanson will have a bigger immediate impact. Climate is not a major electoral priority, though it is encouraging that Roberts is a senior member of One Nation.
Nobody likes Turnbull, but the Labor alternative is worse. However Hanson’s party did very well with the primary vote in a number of electorates, particularly in Queensland. There is a chance she will have an opportunity to grow her party into a major political force.
So given that Australia ratified the Paris agreement after the Trump victory, I don’t think Australia will be changing tack on fighting climate change?
Australia *TO* ratify…meaning we haven’t yet…
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-10/federal-government-to-ratify-paris-climate-change-agreement/8012696
Patrick, this clearly uses the phrase ‘has ratified’
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2016/11/10/australia-ratifies-paris-climate-agreement.html
does ‘has’ have a unique Aussie meaning?
I would go with the comment at the ABC given the ABC is a govn’t propaganda machine, unlike Sky. So, I stand by my position that Australia has NOT ratified the treaty. And I can tell you, it Australia had, it would be all over the news here and it isn’t. Unless Australia thinks Trump is more of an issue. Not that either. Maybe Australia losing at cricket?
“The same contempt and disregard they themselves feel for the ordinary person”
What a condescending, presumptuous, pompous ass.
If he as president elect is not a politician, is he running a laundry or a pet shop?
Neither the ‘D’ nor the ‘R’ are a monolithic block, he has adversaries who have an axe to grind with him. They will not come out into the open, not now, but you can bet that they will be there. It’s these “friends” within his party -it’s a political party, isn’t it?- who will oppose him fighting with tooth and claw. And they will, take it empirically, succeed in stopping some of his projects or water it down that it becomes unrecogniseable.
Trump isn’t the Messias. He isn’t a Saint either. He is clever and tough and still has to prove if he is reliable as well. Time to chill down, I think.
My biggest fear is that he buckles. I am buoyed by the fact that he is rather unique and has shown no sign of backing down so I am confident that he will deliver.
We are, once again, relying on the US leader (as we did with Reagan) mainly because our other Western leaders are too spineless. The UK appears to have some gumption but here in Australia we have a spineless leftist elitist squish. If Trump can make the lead I am pretty sure we can get rid of Turnbull next year.
I’m a firm believer in positive reinforcement: If President Trump knows that he has strong support, he will be inspired to continue to keep the course. I wouldn’t worry about the usual suspects — the mainstream media, the Leftist members of Congress, the Social Justice Warriors — taking Trump off course. They’ve been discredited to such a degree that the majority of the American people will continue to back Trump’s basic principles.
If Donald Trump has any weakness — and it’s a human weakness that any honest person will admit to — is that they want to believe that they have support and backing. If enough people, both here in the United States and in other nations, are willing to continue to tell the new president that he is taking the right course, then the voices of the weasels in the press, the popular culture and the anti-science whores can be overcome.
It’s all a matter of staffing. Find the right people, with knowledge and backbone to stand up and do the right thing, and the culture — the “environment” — of the government can be shifted.
“Representatives from 200 countries” So who are the alien representatives there being only 196 (or 195 if you don’t count Taiwan) countries in the world.
The lefties are showing their true colors:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/people-have-to-die-anti-trump-protester-calls-for-violence-on-cnn/
Just like these people. shocking!
http://ftrradio.com/2012/12/reporter-injured-as-tea-party-rally-turns-violent-with-racially-motivated-attack/
Just because someone else (supposedly) did something wrong, doesn’t make it right for you to.
Griff, did you actually read the article right down to the bottom? It turns out that the “right” were attacked by the Marxists.
From YOUR link above…..
“Fox News contributor Steven Crowder was assaulted by a left wing union activist”
D’oh !!
“Mob attacks Trump voter in Chicago”
http://video.foxnews.com/v/5206324654001/?#sp=show-clips
“Just like these people. shocking!”
They are saying, “I hope he fails.”
It’s like a dream come true, I’m not American but I’m just as much happy as you are.
Trump want betray your trust, he’s a honourable man, he’ll throw the AGW scam into the trashcan.
“President-elect Donald Trump can help the U.S. coal mining industry at the margin, but he probably cannot save it, unless gas prices rise significantly”
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-coal-idUSKBN13524Y
More lies from Griff (what else is new?).The pretense by Climate Liars is that there is a level playing field, and that there hasn’t been a concerted effort by the Obama administration to kill coal.Without that effort, the two industries, coal and gas would be competitive. Furthermore, getting rid of coal, its natural competitor means that NG prices would almost certainly rise due to increased demand.
Reuters is hardly a biased source, nor have I written the article!
shale gas will also benefit from Trump’s proposals on fuels… which will maintain the price advantage over coal.
There is a declining market for coal in the US – you might note also a declining need for miners, given mountain top removal has become a more prevalent recovery technique.
November 11 – All mention of getting the USA out of the Paris Agreement seems to have disappeared from Donald Trump’s campaign website:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/
That website is very skimpy because well, the election is over. Meanwhile, the climate campaibners see the writing on the wall:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/11/09/trump-victory-reverses
The jig is up, and they know it.
Sorry, there is something more serious going on. When Reuter’s made an inquiry on exactly that matter, the Trump folks did not reply at all. Same applies to the absolute stop of entry of any muslim into the US, which DT wanted to push through. No reply on that as well……
“Rescind all job-destroying Obama executive actions. Mr. Trump will reduce and eliminate all barriers to responsible energy production, creating at least a half million jobs a year, $30 billion in higher wages, and cheaper energy.”
All Obama’s executive actions are toast….The Paris Agreement is not worth the paper it was scribbled on…(with red crayons of course.)
DT cancels his promise to completely abolish Obamacare:
Non Nomen commented: “…DT cancels his promise to completely abolish Obamacare…”
Smart move. There are some parts that should be carried over. Not much, but some.
So why on earth didn’t he say so rightaway?
That would have saved him much criticism and might have broadened his basis of voters.
Doing it the way he did is not the real McCoy.
Non Nomen commented: “…So why on earth didn’t he say so rightaway?….That would have saved him much criticism and might have broadened his basis of voters. Doing it the way he did is not the real McCoy. …”
You’re still believing the MSM. Shame on you 🙂 Unlike Obama the MSM will make sure DT does everything wrong and continue to bias their ‘reporting’ to the left. We’ll be smothered with all the good Obama is leaving behind and how DT is ruining America.
Well well well, nothing to do with MSM:
But none of these positive reforms can be accomplished without Obamacare repeal. On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
Guess where these words are found!
Here is the answer: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform
Let’s wait and see what he really can accomplish.
The idea of becoming a one-dollar-president has my full support.
In tribute to a great man who seemed to know what’s up! RIP GK
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Leonard+Cohen&&view=detail&mid=4EDF951AC40E7A1765894EDF951AC40E7A176589&rvsmid=B2431C41D76B6A489444B2431C41D76B6A489444&fsscr=0&FORM=VDFSRV
All they have left is a faint hope.
While I voted for Trump, I have no idea what he will do. But I suspect while he may not do everything he promised (he is not a dictator after all), he will try to keep his promises – at least in spirit (i.e. maybe not deporting 12 million illegals, but stopping the hemorrhaging). But again, I do not know. I only say that as he is a very successful businessman. And in business, you only get one chance. If you screw it up, and screw your associates, you will not get another. Business relies on results, not intentions.
Nothing so far has shown me that Trump is not a man of his word. I think at his age, he is too old to change. So the hope that he was lying is a very faint hope.
But we will see.
I just love this quote:
“Australia is already experiencing an increase in extreme conditions from climate change – and it’s projected to get worse.”. What total rubbish the climate is no different than I experienced more than 60 years ago. What extreme conditions? Look at some of the temps recently : Sept 14 Max 23C Record High 1923 at 30.7C; Oct 19 Max 22C Record High 37.2C in 1898; Nov 8 Max 27C Record High 36.6 in 1862 – just some examples.
Wishful thinking on the part of the chicken-little bed wetters.
I have said this before here at WUWT, and I’ll say it again.
If PE Trump is to effectively kill climate alarmism, he will need to do more than just tear up the Paris Agreement and ignore the climate alarmist movement. He needs to put together a panel of scientists that will prepare a presentation that consists of all the science that pokes holes in the CAGW theory until it starts looking like a block of Swiss cheese. I believe MIT’s Richard Lindzen has been mentioned here a few times, and I agree that he would be a good start for panel (and a good science adviser to Trump). John Christy would be another. And yes, they could also have one or two CAGW believers on the panel if any of them are willing to join.
Trump and the science panel would then go on national television and present all of the dis-confirming scientific evidence to the American people. This would include things like the rising ice levels in Antarctica, the lack of evidence of positive feedback driving temperature, the lack of warming from the mid-1940s to the mid 1970s, etc. The presentation might take a while depending on the amount of content and how much detail they go into. They could break up the presentation into two hour segments spread out over a week–again depending on the amount of content presented. They would need to ensure that everything is explained in a way so that the average Joe non-scientist can understand it all.
A series of questions would then be posed to the alarmists based on all the science presented. The alarmists would be challenged to a debate their responses to the questions on another nationwide TV presentation. The alarmist reaction to all of this would be—to say the least—very interesting.
The disconfirming evidence (and the questions) should all be put together in a document for the U.N. and the world’s leaders to ponder if and when they challenge the U.S. position on the the climate issue. It would be interesting to see how well climate alarmism holds up in the face of all of these actions.
+1M Ignoring it will not make it go away. Now that we have a voice we need to use it.
CD — I agree absolutely. To reverse climate alarmism will take more than just a change in government policy. It will require a strong and protracted education of the public on the false claims of alarmists. Obviously, President Trump will have many things on his desk, so he has to find, appoint and strongly support new secretaries of the departments — including Dept. of Education (assuming, as many of us hope, that he simply doesn’t just do away with that monstrous entity) — that have some part in the issue.
The next two years — before the mid-term elections in 2018 — have to be a time of strong and continued effort.
First step: A new Secretary of State who will stand up to the internationalist, anti-science and anti-Western governments and organizations that want to undermine human progress.
Just a couple of days after the election (once we all got over the giddiness of our success), we have to realize that there is going to be a tough, tough fight ahead of us. It ain’t going to be pretty, but it has to be done.
Except the majority of scientists really do accept the science and scientists like Lindzen have no credibility with other scientists and many others.
I, to be frank, consider him a politically motivated charlatan.
You would be getting people of a convinced opinion to reach conclusions they already formed for political reasons. a peversion of science.
@Griff:
Your attacks on the skeptics in the form of character assassinations (calling Lindzen a “politically motivated charlatan”) demonstrates that CAGW has become a religion with you. Rather than debate the science which pokes holes in your Holy CAGW Faith, you transform the skeptics like Lindzen into religious heretics with your assasssinations. Such behavior proves that CAGW has morphed into a religion with likes of you and others. Character assassinations are a lousy substitute for science.
Only an ignorant fool will fail to realize what can happen when scientists with their CAGW theory climb into bed (figuratively) with government, especially the U.N. Politics and money (especially billions of $$$ of it) can corrupt almost anything that they get their hands on, and science is no exception. Remember, it is the CAGW scientists that YOU believe in that are primarily in bed with government (again, figuratively speaking), at least much more so than the skeptics. The CAGW believers are the ones getting $$$$ billions from government, not the skeptics.
As for your “majority of scientists,” you obviously have little understanding of the history of science and have learned nothing from it. The majority in science have been wrong any number of times in the past. Two examples:
(1) For a long time, medical science believed that stomach ulcers were caused by stress and anxiety. It is only in recent times that it became known that a bacteria in the stomach (maybe from the food) is probably playing a role or causing the ulcer. http://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/h-pylori-helicobacter-pylori#1.
(2) For many years, scientists believed that Pluto was one our solar system’s planets. Only in recent times, when scientists discovered many other objects out there with a similar size and at a similar distance from the sun as Pluto, did they decide that Pluto had to be downgraded to the status of a dwarf planet.
The two examples above show why “the majority” in science means nothing. There are probably other examples, but you get the idea. Any scientist will tell you that science learns when scientists initially get things wrong and when they discover and why they were wrong. And the majority can be in the wrong in science as in any other realm of life.
Griff, one of life’s lessons that you have yet to learn is that you are capable of placing your faith and trust in the wrong people without knowing that you did. We humans have a habit of doing that all the time. Once you come to realize that, you MIGHT stop making a fool of yourself here at WUWT.
In case there’s any doubt, although Trump makes no mention of the Paris “Agreement” let alone ripping it up, in his First 100 Days plan we see:
“FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars’ worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal.
SIXTH, lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward
SEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America’s water and environmental infrastructure”
Not much room for a climate “agreement” there.
Cancelling payments is one thing, to bale out of an “agreement” is quite a different story.
..The “agreement” is not worth the paper it was written on…It means nothing…
The US does not have an agreement, Obama does.
Trump won’t betray your trust, he’s a honourable man, he’ll throw out the AGW scam.
I other words, they are hoping he’ll do a Gillard on the American people:
“There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead”
Two weeks later, the Australian people were lumbered with the world’s highest carbon tax.
And again by Turnbull. The tax kicked in only one day before our (Australia’s) last elections. It was tax by stealth, called something totally different (of course). Even now I wonder how many Australians are actually aware that we have it.
“My Prediction:
After 8 long years without a single mention, on Jan. 20, the media will rediscover the plight of America’s Homeless. ”
I had this discussion with my sister 25 years ago after we visited San Francisco. I told her that if you were homeless and waiting for POTUS to do something about it, you would be still be homeless when each president leaves office.
Two weeks ago I was again in the bay area. We parked our motor parked in the marina parking lot where we used to keep our boat. A beautiful spot that is practically deserted at night and very safe. At 1 am two patrol cars showed up and one officer told me we could not sleep in a vehicle. I would have explained that I was doing just fine sleeping but he was resting his hand weapon.
You have to love sanctuary cities that making housing expensive and then sleeping a crime. As a point of reference, we enjoy free camping on the beach in Texas.
Part of the freedom we enjoy is being responsible citizens. Unfortunately many in government are more interested in controlling responsible citizens. Do you think they understood the message from us last Tuesday?
So you have to ask police for permission when you want to take a nap in the vehicle? Unless you have just met Officer Megalomaniac then there is something desperately wrong.
It is in fact illegal to sleep in your vehicle in many parts of California, as this reference shows
https://www.reference.com/government-politics/illegal-sleep-car-california-b471172a9df67869
The intent was apparently not aimed at homeless people… but seems to be selectively employed against them
http://www.scpr.org/news/2015/06/01/52119/california-bill-prohibits-crackdown-on-sleeping-in/
May I say that while SF is a beautiful city, I was shocked at the homeless people there (even though I work in London)
A Sanctuary City for all reasons. An Illegal? A bum? Come one, come all!
Like Griffie, we care for your plight. We’ll pick up the tab. That is, until we run out of OPM.
I’ve been doing this for many years myself.
The stupidity from the warmunists and watermelons is finally going to have to face scrutiny and SKEPTICISM.
Let THEM squirm and flail in the wind.
It’s their turn now.
Whenever I read statements like this: “Australia is already experiencing an increase in extreme conditions from climate change – and it’s projected to get worse,” I wish I could make the speaker stop right there and enumerate what he sees as “an increase in extreme conditions from climate change.” Too many politicians and writers get away with such lazy boilerplate, and they should be called on it.
A few days ago, I was reading about the 10,000+ hypocritical ‘gravy train riders’ who were all flying off to Marrakech, Morocco, in order to have another good knees-up at the taxpayers’ expense. Apparently, they were all presented with a Michelin guide to the best restaurants, hotels and nightclubs – where they could party away for a fortnight or so, while ostensibly being there to discuss the perils of Catastrophic AGW.
Then.., The Donald won the election and became the new POTUS-elect. I would have happily have paid for a return flight just to see the look on their faces when they crawled out of their hotel beds with their stinking hangovers, only to find that their worst ever fears had come true. MWAHAHAHAAAAAA! }:o) Schadenfreude is a wonderful thing, especially after nearly 30 years of putting up with their CAGW crap.
Dreadnought, never begrudge anyone for enjoying themselves on another’s dime. I’ve done it many times!
Everyone should remember, though, one must pay the piper. Also, we should keep in mind that the funder will not invite you back unless you sing their praise.
With The Donald triumphant (haha, haha, haha, ad infinitum), tit-suckers better adjust their aim.
Ernest Bush commented : “…those Chinese. They are about to learn that he can’t be pushed around like Obama….”
Obama didn’t/doesn’t need any pushing. His compliance is self motivated to attain the Progressive’s goal of wealth redistribution. Some are accusing Trump of fostering isolationism with his stated trade policies when in fact it’s nothing more than returning America to it’s preeminence as an industrial leader. The whole “outsourcing” scam was an exercise like AGW to cripple industrial countries.
What a rubbish post! Trump principled? Currenly he’s the subject of a staggering 75 court cases, including several rape accusations. Hardly surprising considering his boast of how he “picks up” women by grabbing their vagina! Really Eric? Would you like your wife or daughter to meet him? He also has a long history of stripping companines, then not paying workers their rightful dues after the company becomes insolvent? Principled??? This post is another disgrace and this blog is starting to look like a moronic, fact free, right wing propaganda machine.
Richard, try getting more of your news off the web, or a wider choice in biases.
Trump was in construction and real estate, which is notoriously liitigeous. As he was invovlved in some 500 operations, 75 current suits are on the low side. I was in construction, and ended up using legal processes several times, but did not have the resources to press several good cases. Trump has a policy of not settling suits, which pays off if one has the money to keep lawyers on the payroll.
Most of “climate science” is overtly political, and trying to avoid any mention of politics is in my experience a tactic of the CAGW true believers.
Didn’t realize that. It takes some pressure off his otherwise pretty quarrelsome image.
#1 – Trump is principled. You just do not like his principles.
#2 – Trump boasted no such thing. If you are going to use his locker room talk against him, at least get it right. Lies upon lies do not make even a kernel of truth.
You are going to have a miserable 4 years if you cannot even get the slurs and slanders correct.
“Mr Trump is a well-known climate change sceptic and has threatened to remove America from the treaty.”
What *treaty* is this? She can’t be referring to the Paris agreement, agreed to by soon-to-be private citizen Barack Obama, can she?