Dr. John Christy’s testimony before congress –

Hot on the heels of Nature’s editorial about not linking Global Warming to extreme weather, we have this testimony today from Dr. John Christy.

‘Extreme events, like the recent U.S. drought, will continue to occur, with or without human causation’     

‘These recent U.S. ‘extremes’ were exceeded in previous decades’ — ‘The expression of ‘worse than we thought’ climate change as documented in [James] Hansen’s OpEd does not stand up to scrutiny’

Excerpts of his testimony follow. h/t to Marc Morano of Climate Depot.

 

John R. Christy, PhD

Alabama State Climatologist

The University of Alabama in Huntsville

House Energy and Power Subcommittee

20 September 2012

For full text of testimony see here.

Selected Excerpts: To put it simply, Andreadis and Lettenmaier (2006) found that for the Midwest, “Droughts have, for the most part, become shorter, less frequent, less severe, and cover a smaller portion of the country over the last century.” In other words, droughts have always happened in the Midwest and they are not getting worse.

Another extreme metric is the all-time record high temperature for each state. Theoccurrence of the records by decade (Figure 1.1 below) makes it obvious that the 1930s were the most extreme decade and that since 1960, there have been more all-time cold records set than hot records in each decade. The clear evidence is that extreme high temperatures are not increasing in frequency. The recent claims about thousands of new record high temperatures were based on stations whose length-of-record could begin as recently as 1981, thus missing the many heat waves of the 20th century. So, any moderately hot day now will be publicized as setting records for these young stations because they were not operating in the 1930s.

About 75 percent of the states recorded their hottest temperature prior to 1955, and, over 50 percent of the states experienced their record cold temperatures after 1940. Overall, only a third of the records (hot or cold) have been set in the second half of the whole period. One could conclude, if they were so inclined, that the climate of the US is becoming less extreme because the occurrence of state extremes of hot and cold has diminished dramatically since 1955. Since 100 of anything appears to be a fairly large sample (2 values for each of 50 states), this on the surface seems a reasonable conclusion.

Then, one might look at the more recent record of extremes and learn that no state has achieved a record high temperature in the last 15 years (though one state has tied Energy and Power Subcommittee 16 John R. Christy, 20 September 2012 theirs.) However, five states have observed their all-time record low temperature in these past 15 years plus one tie. This includes last year’s record low of 31°F below zero in Oklahoma, breaking their previous record by a rather remarkable 4°F. If one were so inclined, one could conclude that the weather that people worry about (extreme cold) is getting worse in the US. (Note: this lowering of absolute cold temperature records is nowhere forecast in climate model projections, nor is a significant drop in the occurrence of extreme high temperature records.)

I am not using these statistics to prove the weather in the US is becoming less extreme and/or colder. My point is that extreme events are poor metrics to use for detecting climate change. Indeed, because of their rarity (by definition) using extreme events to bolster a claim about any type of climate change (warming or cooling) runs the risk of setting up the classic “non-falsifiable hypothesis.” For example, we were told by the IPCC that “milder winter temperatures will decrease heavy snowstorms” (TAR WG2, 15.2.4.1.2.4). After the winters of 2009-10 and 2010-11, we are told the opposite by advocates of the IPCC position, “Climate Change Makes Major Snowstorms More Likely” (http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release/climate-change-makes-snowstormsmore-likely-0506.html).

The non-falsifiable hypotheses can be stated this way, “whatever happens is consistent with my hypothesis.” In other words, there is no event that would “falsify” the hypothesis. As such, these assertions cannot be considered science or in anyway informative since the hypothesis’ fundamental prediction is “anything may happen.” In the example above if winters become milder or they become snowier, the non-falsifiable hypothesis stands. This is not science.

The evidence above suggests that climate models over-react to greenhouse gas increases. Also there is a lack of evidence to blame humans for an increase in extreme events. One cannot convict CO2 of causing any of these events, because they’ve happened in the past before CO2 levels rose.

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Christy’s full testimony available here.

Related Links:

Climatologist Dr. John Christy: ‘I’ve often stated that climate science is a ‘murky’ science. We do not have laboratory methods of testing our hypotheses as many other sciences do’ – ‘As a result what passes for science includes, opinion, arguments-from-authority, dramatic press releases, and fuzzy notions of consensus generated by preselected groups. This is not science’

Climatologist Dr. John Christy: ‘Oil & other carbon-based energies are simply the affordable means by which we satisfy our true addictions – long life, good health, plentiful food…’‘…internet services, freedom of mobility, comfortable homes with heating, cooling, lighting and even colossal entertainment systems, and so on. Carbon energy has made these possible’

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67 Responses to Dr. John Christy’s testimony before congress –

  1. grumpyoldmanuk says:

    Another target for a hate-fest. You are in good company, Anthony.

  2. Tim Walker says:

    Yes, some words of clarity and reason amongst the garbage out there. I expect someone is working on a petition to keep him from testifying again.

  3. DBCooper says:

    I hope Dr. Christy sends a copy to the PBS Ombudsman.

  4. Dr. Bob says:

    I suggest that readers of WUWT send letters of support (or otherwise) to their representatives about discussion of all sides of a scientific issue. We cannot allow the vocal few to shout down open discussions such as happened on PBS NewsHour. I expressed my opinion there and will also contact my Representatives in Congress about this issue. As a publicly funded organization, I would think Congress would be interested in knowing if PBS failed in their duty to present a balance view on such an important topic.

  5. “Telling like it is” does not sit well with the Warmistas.
    The truth, the WHOLE truth and NOTHING but the truth must be the only rule followed despite what the ‘believers’ want so desperately to hide. Slowly but surely the scientific method, as opposed to pseudo-scientific dogma, is gaining ground.
    Watts, Christy, McIntyre and many others deserve plaudits for ensuring that the voice of proper science is not silenced completely. The TRUTH will eventually prevail, it always does.

  6. Is it going to be aired on PBS?

  7. David Spurgeon says:

    Dr.John Christy is my all time forever hero. [Sorry Anthony!]

  8. A very good, straightforward exposition of historical facts, along with the same observation
    I have had – warmists attribute practically anything that happens to be the result of global warming.
    If it could be demonstrably proved that the Earth is cooling, somehow that would be attributed to global warming. A theory which predicts contradictory events, predicts nothing.

  9. Jim Cripwell says:

    Dr. Bob, I am Canadian, and I have already sent the URL for John Christie’s testimony to my Member of Parliament. I would suggest that all of us send it to our elected representatives in all the different bodies that govern our countries.

  10. Brian Adams says:

    There’s an old saying, maybe you’ve heard it – “Records are made to be broken.” I’ve been saying all summer that every day a new temperature record, high or low, is set somewhere on Earth. In my hometown of Lewiston, Idaho (only three hours from the Canadian border) the daytime high temperature record was set at 117 F. – in 1962! Proof positive that the climate has been cooling for 50 years!

  11. NoAstronomer says:

    Of course it should go without saying that any hypothesis which claims “whatever happens is consistent with my hypothesis.” is not a useful hypothesis and may be freely discarded.

    Mike.

  12. Christian_J. says:

    More excellent tetimony from Dr Christy as he tries to save the science from unscrupulous and dishonest messengers of doom. For those who are sincere in Climate Science these comments from Dr Christy will be salve to their ears but from those harbingers of misinformation, it will be words of war.
    Like Dr Christy, I hope that the science returns to facts and figures, instead of frauds and fallacies.

  13. DAV says:

    Then, one might look at the more recent record of extremes and learn that no state has achieved a record high temperature in the last 15 years (though one state has tied Energy and Power Subcommittee 16 John R. Christy, 20 September 2012 theirs.)

    Could somebody parse the part in parentheses?

    It looks like one of George Carlin’s partial scores: ” Energy and Power Subcommittee 16″
    or maybe it’s a complete one: EPS 16, John Christy, 20?
    what then would “September 2012 theirs” mean?

  14. Joe Prins says:

    Jim,
    This Canadian took your suggestion and the first page plus link has been send.

  15. george e smith says:

    I’ve been a fan of Professor Christy, ever since I read his paper in Jan 2001 ; I thing Geophysical Research Letters, reporting results of about 20 years of oceanic buoy records, of simultaneous near surface (- 1 metre) ocean water Temperatures, and near surface (+ 3 metres) oceanic air Temperatures. Historically oceanic Temperatures have been taken from buckets of water hauled from some unknown depth and on a ship’s deck in the wind, or later taken from cooling water inputs, and measured in a hot engine room. Why anyone ever imagined that air and water Temperatures would be the same is beyond my pay grade, given that ocean currents are a few knots, while ocean winds can be two orders of magnitude higher. Also, a ship can return to the exact same GPS co-ordinates six months later, and be in entirely different water due to meandering ocean rivers.

    In any case, Christy et al reported that they aren’t the same, and the air Temperatures recorded only about 60% of the increase that the water Temperatures recorded, FOR THAT 20 YEAR PERIOD.

    OK so that 150 years of previous ocean Temperature records need to be adjusted to reflect that fact.

    SORRY NO CIGAR !, the really important discovery that Christy et al found, is NOT that they aren’t the same but THEY AREN’T CORRELATED.

    So it is impossible to correct the previous 150 years of data taken by ships at sea reflecting 70% of the world surface area.

    Which is why I say, that it doesn’t really matter whether the GCM models are any good; the data put into those models earlier than around 1980 is bunkum, and can’t be corrected.

    Since then Dr John Christy and his side kick Dr Roy, have only grown in my esteem, as rational cool meticulous researchers.

  16. theduke says:

    DAVID. Probably an addendum to the transcript. Perhaps # 16.

  17. theduke says:

    That was directed at DAV

  18. Jimmy Haigh says:

    John Christy and Anthony would get on any “nicest people of the century” list. Both are pretty smart too.

  19. RobW says:

    “Dr. Bob, I am Canadian, and I have already sent the URL for John Christie’s testimony to my Member of Parliament. ”

    An excellent idea, done

  20. I happened to meet an American family in Yorkshire a couple of months back, smoking outside the motorway services. Asked them where they were from: Alabama. I said that one of my heros is from the UAH at Huntsville, a guy named John Christy. “Well, it so happens,” says the gent, “that John Christy is a long standing friend of mine.” It made my day.

  21. Robertvdl says:

    9/20/12 Subcommittee on Energy and Power Hearing

  22. u.k.(us) says:

    If weather wasn’t so variable, and at times deadly, we wouldn’t have the records we do.
    It is the inherent unpredictabilty of weather, that drives our studies.

    I just want to stop taxpayer funded, eco/guilt/political/greed, projects from wasting if not devastating my nations wealth.
    So, here we are.

  23. solarlux says:

    It seems odd to focus so much on max/min temperatures in an region that represents 2% of the Earth’s surface area. Naturally if temps were high locally in the 30′s, there would be less daily records in the decades to follow to present. From this skeptic’s perspective, I much prefer Lindzen, Curry, or even Ridley as a popularizer.

  24. DAV says:

    theduke,

    Got it. Thanks. Still looks silly though. I think it’s a typo. What would “Septempber 2012 theirs” mean?

    My first name is David. Good guess. ‘DAV’ are my initials. Chock it up to my parents’ sense of humor.

  25. Jon Kassaw MA LPC says:

    I want to commend Dr. Christy’s work and testimony with Congress, bringing some honest rational thought to the “the sky is falling crowd.” We need facts, not panic and it seems all the weather channels want an audience, so they sell ‘doom and gloom’ despite the facts! It was a big blessing to see how little (130 years) is to 10,000 years of climate history. No wonder “they” were attempting to lower the temps in the 1930′s! The facts punch holes in their models and methods to make a buck at our expense!

  26. Gunga Din says:

    And let’s not forget that some of the old records are being “adjusted” by NOAA one station at a time.

  27. Aaron Beard says:

    Mr. Rush seems to be a little tired and I could barely understand him…. Good lord! How much you want to bet, that was the first time he had read the speech he gave…

  28. Pamela Gray says:

    I have said in comments these very same things (newer stations will produce false positive data in terms of records). Proof that armchair amateurs have the brains to figure this out.

  29. pochas says:

    I’ve got to suspend my usual rabid skepticism for a moment. If CO2 is having an effect on mid-latitude temperatures it will be at night when radiation is in control of the cooling rate and backscattered radiation matters. In daytime, convection kicks in and controls temperature, bringing the temperature profile up to the adiabatic lapse rate. Surface temperatures reach their local limit during daylight hours independent of CO2, so looking at daylight temperatures alone would miss the effect of CO2, which is felt at night. Anyway, the effect of CO2, if there is one, would be to reduce the diurnal temperature range, especially at northern latitudes, but the maximum temperatures would not be affected.

  30. Paul in Sweden says:

    Chairman: “Dr. Christy, how do you get along with Dr. Mann?”

  31. At least Chrisy know that science is and is not and not shy to say so. Of course none of this is about or ever was about science in the first place. It is about power, money and ideology. That is not your ideology or mine either the ideology is irrelevant, it the power and money that count.

  32. OssQss says:

    Robertvdl says:
    September 21, 2012 at 3:53 pm
    Thank you for this post.

    Start at 55:20 for the Cristy part of the video, with audio problems. Go Figure!

    Well worth the repost.

  33. Maureen from Canada says:

    I noticed this about the high temperatures over the last couple of summers. I live in Regina (southern Saskatchewan which is in the prime area for 1930s high temp – my mother grew up on a farm in southern SK during that time and she knew heat and dry conditions – it wasn’t call ‘the dry years’ for nothing) and we rarely hit record highs – the records were still mostly in the early 1930s with the period 1911 to 1918 which seemed to be the runner up.

    The only thing that has really changed is the increase in humidity in this area over the last 10 years – THAT is different (which is why I’m destroying the climate with the air conditioner I installed about 5 years ago!!!)

  34. Harold Pierce Jr says:

    ATTN: Jim Cripwell

    Sending an URL to a MP will get you nowhere. Send a printed copy of the testimony to the MP to the editor of the “Goble and Mail”

  35. Paul in Sweden says:

    Earlier today I had dumped Dr. Christy’s written submission into my TTS app and listened through it. Quite extensive. When the video link of the hearing popped up I downloaded it and wondered if I should watch it. Glad I did and thank goodness for Texas and a few others in the house majority. We still own property in Vermont and I vote there via absentee ballot but I am thinking about printing and binding Dr. Christy’s submission and mailing it back home to my Senators & Rep. but I kinda think that they would not bother having any of their staff review it. (this has been a popcorn week in the news :) )

  36. L5Rick says:

    DAV
    “Energy and Power Subcommittee 16 John R. Christy, 20 September 2012″
    That’s the footer from page 16 of the printed testimony. Obviously a typo in the copy and paste of the excerpts in the blog post.

  37. John Coleman says:

    I am having this vision of January 2013. The new President names John Christy as the Director of NOAA and Anthony Watts becomes Director of the National Climate Data Center and….

  38. u.k.(us) says:

    John Coleman says:

    September 21, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    I am having this vision of January 2013. The new President names John Christy as the Director of NOAA and Anthony Watts becomes Director of the National Climate Data Center and….
    =====
    +1

  39. Henry says:

    OT, but I just noticed Desmogblog is completely down, It Chris Mooney hasn’t posted anything there since late July.

  40. D. J. Hawkins says:

    u.k.(us) says:
    September 21, 2012 at 8:25 pm
    John Coleman says:

    September 21, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    I am having this vision of January 2013. The new President names John Christy as the Director of NOAA and Anthony Watts becomes Director of the National Climate Data Center and….
    =====
    +1

    Talk about getting a tingle up your leg! :-D

  41. TomB says:

    I always go back to the Michael Crichton statement: “A theory that can mean anything means nothing.”

  42. Blade says:

    “About 75 percent of the states recorded their hottest temperature prior to 1955, and, over 50 percent of the states experienced their record cold temperatures after 1940.”

    Someone with a defibrillator please get over to Tamino’s house ASAP, and be sure to swing by Joe Romm’s and John Kook’s as well.

    What I want to know is whether any of these statistics have been massaged by James Hansen yet. If not, they soon will be.

  43. Goode 'nuff says:

    Pamela Gray even forecast this extreme drought sometime last winter. Maybe even last fall? I went looking for the comment in the archives but I have got to get some sleep.

  44. Statistically, if you choose a region of the Earth and ACCURATELY measure the temperatures, and by that I don’t mean siting weather stations next to AC outlets or on asphalt islands, temperature records will be broken. It is inevitable that the longer the period of time the measurements are taken, will mean more records broken for temperature extremes, rainfall and wind etc.

  45. This is so simply stated.

    Common sense is usually simple.

  46. Kaboom says:

    The “worse than we thought” meme is both testimony to a lack of imagination and a -worse yet- profound lack of awareness about weather history.

  47. Rhys Jaggar says:

    ‘It is a privilege for me to offer my views of climate change based on my
    experience as a climate scientist. My research area might be best described as building
    datasets from scratch to advance our understanding of what the climate is doing and why.
    I have used traditional surface observations as well as measurements from balloons and
    satellites to document the climate story. Many of my datasets are used to test hypotheses
    of climate variability and change.’

    1. Measurement.
    2. Hypothesis formation.
    3. Hypothesis testing.

    Science for Politicians 101
    @ U. Capitol Hill
    Wa, DC

  48. Analysis in Kansas shows that the vast majority of daily record highs were set in the 1930′s and that the last decade is actually below normal.

    NCAR did a propaganda piece on record temps a couple of years ago. Surprise, surprise! Their chart starts in the 1950′s!

    A similar analysis in Ohio gives similar results.

    http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2012/08/14/the-myth-about-record-temperatures/

  49. Allan MacRae says:

    This is reliable testimony by John Christy. The full transcript is an excellent reference source.

    While debunking the global warming and extreme weather myths falsely attributed to rising atmospheric CO2, Christy on page 15 mentions one real environmental issue that, I believe, will have a significant impact on humanity, and that is the decline (drawdown) of the High Plains Aquifer, of which the Ogallala Aquifer is a subset.

    Excerpt:

    With the massive use of ground water for irrigation, the High Plains Aquifer has declined an average of 12.8 ft, with some areas in the Texas panhandle down over 150 ft. The key point here is that the Plains is subject to natural (and sobering) long-term droughts that would very likely tax the current water management system (ground-water withdrawals) while not replenishing the aquifer, producing a situation of reduced agricultural productivity, especially in its southern reaches.

    [end of excerpt]

    I’ve written on this subject previously, at
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/06/nyt-blames-food-crisis-on-climate-change-hides-plea-to-reduce-government-mandated-burning-of-food-for-fuel/#comment-1072955

    Here is a table showing average declines in water levels in the High Plains Aquifer, by state:
    http://ne.water.usgs.gov/ogw/hpwlms/tablewlpre.html

    Long term drought is not the only threat to the Aquifer. Excessive water withdrawals for irrigation, even with normal replenishment, are causing excessive declines in water levels. The negative implications to food production concern me.

    It is especially unfortunate that much of this excess water withdrawal from the High Plains Aquifer has been used to irrigate corn crops devoted to corn ethanol production. I have long maintained that corn ethanol production (food-to-fuel) is environmental and energy nonsense.

  50. Bob says:

    Christy, compared to climate alarmists, comes across as reasoned, careful and scientific. I’m not skilled enough in the art of climate science to pick at the fine details, but I’ve been doing the research, hypothesis, test routine for enough decades to become very skeptical of the climate alarmists claims of impending doom, tipping points and the like all too far in the future to be tested. I also am a bit skeptical of folks who tell me they can control the climate if I allow them to extract more money and control my life. Christy has been a breath of fresh air. Do you think he can convince any of those on the AGW side of climate change politics?

  51. Allan MacRae says:

    Bob says: September 22, 2012 at 4:53 am
    Christy has been a breath of fresh air. Do you think he can convince any of those on the AGW side of climate change politics?
    _____________

    Response to your question: Probably no Bob, for the following reasons:

    There is strong evidence that global warming is a false crisis, manufactured to achieve an oblique political objective.

    For evidence, please see
    http://www.green-agenda.com
    and
    http://www.c3headlines.com/global-warming-quotes-climate-change-quotes.html

    One of many similar quotations reads as follows:

    “We’ve got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.”
    - Timothy Wirth,
    President of the UN Foundation

    The science and the truth are irrelevant for these people, so valid scientific arguments will not change their political agenda.
    _______________

    I really dislike conspiracy theories, but the above references provide overwhelming evidence, in the words of the co-conspirators, of their objectives, strategies and tactics.

    Their objective is political power; global warming alarmism is their strategy; and viciously smearing any dissenters and enforcing media bias are their “green-shirt” tactics.

    Patrick Moore, a co-founder of Greenpeace, provides a history of the rise of eco-extremism, below. Moore says that the far-left political movement effectively annexed the green movement after the fall of the Berlin Wall, when pro-Soviet groups were discredited and needed to find a new power base for their far-left political agenda.

    The extremists have obviously succeeded. Governments, academia, the media and large corporations are all cowed into submission. Leading scientists have been ousted from their universities for speaking and writing the truth. Only a few tenured or retired professors and the occasional renegade dares to speak out, and many use aliases for fear of retaliation.

    When this worm turns, and it will, we can expect the RICO (anti-racketeering) laws will be put to good use.

    As we confidently stated in 2002 at
    http://www.apegga.org/Members/Publications/peggs/WEB11_02/kyoto_pt.htm

    “Climate science does not support the theory of catastrophic human-made global warming – the alleged warming crisis does not exist “

    Earth has not warmed for 10-15 years. Continued absence of global warming or global cooling will finally put an end to global warming hysteria, after trillions of dollars of scarce global resources have been squandered…. and then the wheels of justice will begin to turn… Watch for early signs of climate rats leaving their sinking ship.

    __________________

    The Rise of Eco-Extremism
    by Patrick Moore
    http://www.greenspirit.com/key_issues/the_log.cfm?booknum=12&page=3

  52. JimF says:

    Bravo, Dr. Christy. Keep up the good work.

  53. Richard bell says:

    Why is this not in the ” NEWS ” around the world …… Wonderful analysis of the real word. Credit to Dr John Christy for telling it as it should be told ……..THANK YOU .

  54. Robertvdl says:

    One of the biggest challenges of Germany’s ambitious energy revolution is the fact that renewables such as wind and solar are subject to large fluctuations in output. Coal has long been considered their dirty alternative, but a new generation of power plants may herald a glowing future for the fossil fuel.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/new-coal-fired-plants-could-be-key-to-german-energy-revolution-a-854335.html

  55. Rhys Jaggar says:

    ‘Richard bell says:
    September 22, 2012 at 10:58 am
    Why is this not in the ” NEWS ” around the world …… Wonderful analysis of the real word. Credit to Dr John Christy for telling it as it should be told ……..THANK YOU .’

    I sent the pdf document to all the major UK political party leaders and told them fairly brusquely to read it as essential material.

    If they don’t they have shown wilful refusal to address science where climate is concerned.

    If that doesn’t constitute Gross Professional Misconduct, I don’t know what does.

    So the UK Parliament has been supplied with this and how they choose to use it will determine whether they are regarded as ostriches, charlatans, spivs, corrupt criminals or concerned, responsible, enquiring, reasoned, skeptical representatives of UK society.

    It’s their choice up to 2015.

    Then, it’s the electorate’s choice whether to kick that bunch of expense claim fraudsters out of office (for those that don’t know, a massive expenses scandal occurred 3 years ago in the UK Parliament and, after a few sacrificial lambs were expelled, levels have risen again back to the scandalous levels of before. You don’t need to be John Christy to suspect that the padding has started again, which renders them habitual, amoral, cowardly corrupt embezzlers if guilty.

  56. Brian H says:

    DAV says:
    September 21, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Then, one might look at the more recent record of extremes and learn that no state has achieved a record high temperature in the last 15 years (though one state has tied Energy and Power Subcommittee 16 John R. Christy, 20 September 2012 theirs.)

    Could somebody parse the part in parentheses?

    It looks like one of George Carlin’s partial scores: ” Energy and Power Subcommittee 16″
    or maybe it’s a complete one: EPS 16, John Christy, 20?
    what then would “September 2012 theirs” mean?

    Yes. The segment ‘Energy and Power Subcommittee 16 John R. Christy, 20 September 2012‘ is the source ref., and it was inadvertently pasted into the text. So it should be:

    Then, one might look at the more recent record of extremes and learn that no state has achieved a record high temperature in the last 15 years (though one state has tied theirs.)
    -Energy and Power Subcommittee 16,
    John R. Christy,
    20 September 2012

  57. Dragontide says:

    I see Dr Christy is still the same mountain of misinformation he’s always been.
    The world temperature (combined land & ocean surface temperature average) has not dropped below average for 331 consecutive months. You can’t measure AGW with temperatures from only one country.

  58. D Böehm says:

    Dragontide,

    As usual the alarmist crowd cannot accept the fact that the effect of CO2, if any, is too small to measure. The planet has been recovering from the LIA for three centuries, along the same trend line. That warming trend has not accelerated despite the large rise in CO2.

    Conclusion: the rise in CO2 cannot be the cause of global warming.

  59. Dragontide says:

    D Böehm:
    Greenhouse gasses return heat to the surface of the earth. If this were not true, mankind never would have existed. With more & more of these gasses in our troposphere, more & more heat gets returned to the surface.

    The LIA was not a global event. Neither was the MWP. Neither is the peek of an interglacial. There is no natural explanation for the failure of the world temperature to drop below normal for 331 consecutive months.
    I sure wish I was wrong. But I’m not.

  60. D Böehm says:

    Dragontide,

    When you learn to spell you will be much more credible.

  61. Dragontide says:

    D Böehm:
    I suggest you learn to speak Typoneese like everybody else on the internet.

    You can’t explain the 331 months. Can you? I know. It’s okay. Your not the bad guy here. The Bad guys are Dr Christy, Dr Roy Spencer and Republican Congressman Mo Brooks (AL-05) It’s crap like this why companies like Solyndra failed.
    http://www.leftinalabama.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=10161

  62. D Böehm says:

    Dragontide,

    Of course I can explain to you the 331 months. I already have, but you are not paying attention.

    The planet has been warming — naturally — from the LIA. And CO2 has nothing measurable to do with it.

  63. Dragontide says:

    D Böehm:
    Whatever you think occurred during the LIA is insignificant to ice in Antarctica that remained in tact for 1.5 million years. (until now)
    http://articles.cnn.com/2009-04-16/tech/microbes.antarctic.discovery_1_antarctic-glacier-microbes-east-antarctic-ice-sheet?_s=PM:TECH

    Whatever your tale of the LIA is, I’m sure the Inuit would love to hear it. The LIA didn’t bother them a bit… Neither did the MWP. Because they were localized events. You need to do some paleoclimate research. Seriously.

  64. D Böehm says:

    Anyone who believes the LIA and the MWP were ‘localized events’ is a scientific illiterate.

    And the word is ‘intact’, not ‘in tact’.

  65. Dragontide says:

    You should tell that tale to the scientists doing the research.
    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/medieval.html

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