See Update 6 – a poll has been added about whether the COP21 climate conference in Paris should continue as planned.
Guest essay by Eric Worrall
BREAKING NEWS – a major Terrorist attack is in progress in Paris, which will shortly host the COP21 Climate Conference. At least 140 40 people are reported to be dead, up to 100 hostages still unaccounted for.
According to Sky News Australia;
French police officials say at least 40 people have been killed in multiple attacks in Paris, including one near the Stade de France sports stadium and another at a concert venue.
French Media is reporting at least 60 people have been killed.
Fifteen of the victims have been killed at the Bataclan concert hall in eastern Paris, with reports saying a further 100 people have been taken hostage.
Others have been killed in explosions near the stadium just north of Paris, where a France-Germany football match was taking place, and in a restaurant shooting.
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Lets us all hope that French authorities manage to stop this horrific terrorist attack, with minimal further loss of life.
UPDATE by Anthony: I wonder if President Obama will rethink his threat priorities now, this from the White House Twitter feed in April:
Update 2: I will add, that this is a terrible terrible thing, and I think I speak for all WUWT readers that our hearts go out to the victims and their families in Paris. Let’s hope there is a swift end to this, and that the guilty will be brought to justice.
Update 3: France is under a state of emergency, and has closed its borders:
“French President Francois Hollande declared a state of emergency and in a televised address to the nation announced that he was closing the country’s borders ‘to make sure that those who have committed these crimes can be stopped.’ He also indicated that authorities knew who was responsible for the attacks.”
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/13/dozens-killed-in-paris-terror-attacks?int=9b9e08
Update4: Meanwhile, Al Gore’s 24 hour climate change webcast is hosted at the Eiffel Tower.
http://news.yahoo.com/al-gore-hosting-climate-telethon-paris-eiffel-tower-163634484.html
It appears the 24 hours of reality/act on climate video feed is off now, probably a sensible thing to do. Screencap from https://www.climaterealityproject.org/24hoursofreality
Update 5: questions about COP21 already being asked according to BBC Europe editor Katya Adler:
Update 5: Watch France 24 Live in English http://www.france24.com/en/livefeed
Update 6: Poll added, since this is being discussed in media worldwide now.
Sorry but wrong poll at wrong time at wrong place! Skeptics would rather it not happen but most skeptics probably lean right so not letting terrorists get their way. So their vote is skewed that’s why the resust is 40/50
“I blame global warming.”
– Article – “Delusional Obama links climate change and terrorism”
(File: “you could not make up this stuff”. Do I have to say “sarc off”?)
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/05/delusional_obama_links_climate_change_and_terrorism.html
May 22, 2015
Delusional Obama links climate change and terrorism
By Daniel John Sobieski
President Obama’s assertion in his commencement address to cadets at the U.S. Coast Guard Academy that the rise of ISIS in Syria and Boko Haram in Nigeria, and the brutality of both, is somehow linked to climate change shows just how dangerously detached from reality U.S. foreign policy has become.
For those who wondered why upwards of two hundred thousand have died in Syria, Boko Haram abducts Christian schoolgirls, and ISIS beheads and burns people alive in its reign of terror, the president placed a major part of the blame on fossil fuels and your SUV.
I understand climate change did not cause the conflicts we see around the world, yet what we also know is that severe drought helped to create the instability in Nigeria that was exploited by the terrorist group Boko Haram. It’s now believed that drought and crop failures and high food prices helped fuel the early unrest in Syria, which descended into civil war in the heart of the Middle East.
Believed by whom? Those who think Elvis Presley and Jimmy Hoffa are alive running a donut shop in Idaho? Weather, which is what we used to call climate change, has played a pivotal role in world history, from the defeat of the Spanish Armada to Napoleon’s retreat from Moscow to the Normandy invasion and Battle of the Bulge in World War II. But it does not create tyranny and evil.
There was no violence, there were no beheadings, there was no burning people alive during the American Dust Bowl of the 1930s. Groups like ISIS and Boko Haram are not out foraging for food. They are poster children for the evil that lurks in the world and that advances as we retreat from our global responsibilities and indulge in these irresponsible fantasies.
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Moderator – I’m pretty sure I posted my comment at the (then) bottom of the thread, but it appeared here as a reply to Eliza. Others have made similar observations.
Is something wrong with the wattsup site?
[We have had position changes generated by the “Reply To” buttons, but they are inconsistent, and are not specifically tracking to a single cause or program step. That we (collectively) don’t know the specific cause doesn’t mean we are not working on it, but it is cannot be solved with what we know right now. .mod]
In response to Allan MacRae, one of the moderators writes:
Okay. So until a fix is effected, folks, try naming the discussants to whose posts you’re responding and perhaps pertinently quoting a little bit of the post the discussant has made.
This way, if your post has problems due to “position changes” there won’t be too much difficulty for other readers (or the original discussant) in connecting the dots.
On poll
COP21 should have been cancelled before terrorist attacks occurred, on its own lack of merit, not now though. It should go ahead as planned.
Unfortunately there is no such option in Update 6.
BTW, this COP21 thing reminds me the 21st Universal Peace Congress, scheduled to September 1914 in Vienna, Austria. Of course the world would have been better with it, in spite of a planned procession of the armed forces and gathering of the old European aristocracy for a Viennese Waltz or two, than what actually happened.
I note that Scottish Sceptic is predicting that COP21 will be cancelled. see; http://scottishsceptic.co.uk/
One point that he does not mention is that the media may well be more interested in stories pertaining to the Paris terrorist attacks than to reporting on Climate talks that are likely to achieve nothing of substance. cAGW is reliant upon a willing MSM, and if they are reporting on other more pressing events, this will do the alarmists nofavour.
As regards the general public, these attacks will put cAGW further down the list of priorities. the general public are likely to hold the view that World leaders have more important matters to address than the possibility that Climate change may cause some unknown harm many generations down the line.
“If the only that you have is a hammer – then every problem looks like a nail”
Well, we succeeded in deposing the leader of an essentially secular military regime. And much of that territory is now in the hands of Islamic extremists. Well done to us.
Though, I notice that many contributors to this thread would prefer to imagine that the west played NO role.
It is possible for a situation in global politics to have more than one contributing factor.
Just as the climate is affected by numerous factors and not exclusively CO2 levels as claimed by alarmists.
Known knowns, known unknowns and unknown unknowns…
Apologies – I meant to drop that at the end of the thread – not in reply to something.
I, for one, was strongly opposed to the second war in Iraq. Going into Afghanistan was justified, Iraq was not.
In fact, after the first Gulf War, Bush the elder purposely avoided pursuing the Iraqi army/ Republican Guard back to Baghdad because he correctly surmised what would happen if Saddam was removed.
As bad as he was, he was a bulwark against Iran. His removal created a huge vacuum, and many anticipated, correctly, that chaos would ensue if and when he was removed.
The idea that if we hung around and built some roads and bridges and saw that elections were held, that democracy and everlasting peace would break out in Iraq was pure fantasy.
Absolutely Menicholas, it was widely understood that Iraq was an unnaturally enforced composite of several tribal groups and religious affiliations within a single territory, ruled over by a secular military despot. The regime was no great friend of islamic extremists.
And western governments created an incentive for academics and disgruntled Iraqi ex-pats to proffer “evidence” of outrageous justification for deposing Saddam.
Admittedly he wasn’t a saint – BUT we here know better than any people what happens when evidence is assembled to meet with a preferred agenda.
I am suspicious of almost anything that I here on the topic.
Even more so, now. Since history is written by the victors.
Here in the EU we have learned nothing. Somebody made a list of bad things to be avoided in the future.
It contained the words “power vacuum”.
A decade later they banned hoovers over 700watt.
A small misunderstanding perhaps!! 🙂
[My comments in brackets]
Menicholas wrote:
November 14, 2015 at 9:18 pm
“I, for one, was strongly opposed to the second war in Iraq. Going into Afghanistan was justified, Iraq was not.”
[I would have to disagree. The war in Iraq was justified. Saddam Insane had defied 17 United Nations Security Council resollutions demanding that he come clean about his WMD programs. It was *official* U.S. policy to remove Saddam Insane from power, signed into law by Bill Clinton in 1998. U.S. leaders were given information that led them to believe that Saddam had an active WMD program ongoing. ALL intelligence agencies in the world believed the same thing. Saddam Insane encouraged this view by others and actually convinced his own Iraqi generals that he had nuclear weapons ready to use, as part of his disinformation campaign, which worked very well indeed. Given those circumstantces, a U.S. president would have been derelict in his duty if he had not taken military action against Saddam Insane. Among other things, 500 TONS of yellowcake uranium were removed from Iraq after the war.]
“In fact, after the first Gulf War, Bush the elder purposely avoided pursuing the Iraqi army/ Republican Guard back to Baghdad because he correctly surmised what would happen if Saddam was removed.”
[Bush 41 was a very reluctant warrior. He should have finished the job and removed Saddam, instead of leaving the cleanup to his son. Bush 41 caused us an extra war with his timidity.]
As bad as he was, he was a bulwark against Iran.
[Saddam isn’t the only thing that can serve as a bulwark against Iran. I think the U.S. military would do a much better, more humane job.]
His removal created a huge vacuum, and many anticipated, correctly, that chaos would ensue if and when he was removed.
[No, what created the huge vacuum was Obama pulling U.S. combat troops out of Iraq. Iraq was doing just fine when President George W. Bush was in charge. Lots of smiling Iraqis on TV showing off their ink-stained digits they got after voting in the first free elections held in Iraq. Lots of little shop keepers in Baghdad starting up their businesses and making money. People starting to get sufficient electricity. Then along came King Obama, who bailed out of Iraq and threw them to the terrorist wolves. George W. Bush described, in 2007, the horrors that would take place in Iraq if American troops left too early. King Obama didn’t listen, washed his hands of Iraq, left too early, and the terrorists turned Iraq into a bloodbath, an ongoing bloodbath, which is causing lots of refugees to overrun Europe. Twenty-five thousand American combat troops left in Iraq could have prevented ALL of that. The Islamic Terror Army would never have gotten a foothold in Iraq. Obama himself said today in Turkey that it WAS possible to send in large numbers of American troops who would certainly destroy the Islamic Terror Army, but he said he didn’t want to do that because it would mean he would have to stay in Iraq. So he would rather allow tens of thousands of innocents to be murdered and hundreds of thousands to be displaced by terrorist attacks because it would be a bother for him to administer Iraq through a crisis.]
“The idea that if we hung around and built some roads and bridges and saw that elections were held, that democracy and everlasting peace would break out in Iraq was pure fantasy.”
[It wasn’t pure fantasy, it happened, until Iraq was abandoned by Obama. Nation Building is ESSENTIAL to our national security. Iraq is a very good example of what happens when you abandon nation building. And nation building works every time it is tried, like in Europe after World War II, and in Japan, and in South Korean, and in South Vietnam. Oops! That’s right, we abandoned nation building in South Vietnam, and look what happened to it, it descended into chaos and death just like Iraq. If we really want to solve our current situation in the Middle East, the United States would put as many troops as is necessary (50,000 combat troops) into the area in order to completely destroy the Islamic Terror Army, and then we can reduce troop numbers down to about 25,000 and keep them there for the indefinite future, until the situation is settled to our liking. Giving terrorists options is not an option. If the United States is not prepared to stick it out to the very end, and that includes nation building, then we deserve to lose. In some situations, only force will work. The terrorists only understand force, and we need to give them more than they can handle.]
TA
Stupid Leftist governments allowed this to happen by allowing 1,000,000 Muslims “refugees” to invade Europe, of which, many were Jihadist terrorists.
ISIS used this “refugee” crisis as a means to infiltrate Europe with 1,000’s or even 10’s of thousands of new Jihadist terrorists.
I knew there would be a spike in terrorist activities following the huge flood of Muslims into Europe, but I thought the attacks would only occur after the invasion of Muslims was finally stopped Euopean governments, so as to maximize the number of terrorists the Jihadists could infiltrate into Europe…
From a tactical perspective, I can’t understand why ISIS would start the terrorists attacks so early when the Muslim invasion was working so well to their advantage…
I can only presume the Jihadists feel they’ve already achieved a sufficient number of terrorists in Europe to fulfill their goal of destabilizing Europe..
This is not going to end well…
Wish me well, as I have to visit Europe on business in a few weeks..
I’m no longer looking forward to this trip…
If you want to know the truth about Clinton and Benghazi, listen to Robert Spencer. Spencer is the world’s greatest authority on the history of Islam.
Robert Spencer on Clinton:
As I have been saying, the European nations have much greater concerns than global warming. They face an existential threat thanks to that idiot (?) Merkel.
dbstealey November 13, 2015 at 8:04 pm
Donald Trump’s proposals:
The fence was approved in 2006!!
The bill to build the fence was passed by congress in 2006 with Democratic support and signed by Bush.
As soon as Obama took office he cancelled the fence saying it would not work. What did he have in mind with that statement? Although all 700 miles were not funded, what happened to the funding?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/29/AR2006092901912.html
“The Senate gave final approval last night to legislation authorizing the construction of 700 miles of double-layered fencing on the U.S.-Mexico border, shelving President Bush’s vision of a comprehensive overhaul of U.S. immigration laws in favor of a vast barrier.
The measure was pushed hard by House Republican leaders, who badly wanted to pass a piece of legislation that would make good on their promises to get tough on illegal immigrants, despite warnings from critics that a multibillion-dollar fence would do little to address the underlying economic, social and law enforcement problems, or to prevent others from slipping across the border. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) surprised many advocates of a more comprehensive approach to immigration problems when he took up the House bill last week.
But in Congress’s rush to recess last night for the fall political campaigns, the fence bill passed easily, 80 to 19, with 26 Democrats joining 54 Republicans in support. One Republican, Sen. Lincoln D. Chafee (R.I.); one independent, Sen. James M. Jeffords (Vt.); and 17 Democrats opposed the bill. The president has indicated that he will sign it.”
dbstealey November 13, 2015 at 8:04 pm
Donald Trump’s proposals:
The fence was approved in 2006!!
The bill to build the fence was passed by congress in 2006 with Democratic support and signed by Bush.
As soon as Obama took office he cancelled the fence saying it would not work. What did he have in mind with that statement? Although all 700 miles were not funded, what happened to the funding?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/29/AR2006092901912.html
“The Senate gave final approval last night to legislation authorizing the construction of 700 miles of double-layered fencing on the U.S.-Mexico border, shelving President Bush’s vision of a comprehensive overhaul of U.S. immigration laws in favor of a vast barrier.
The measure was pushed hard by House Republican leaders, who badly wanted to pass a piece of legislation that would make good on their promises to get tough on illegal immigrants, despite warnings from critics that a multibillion-dollar fence would do little to address the underlying economic, social and law enforcement problems, or to prevent others from slipping across the border. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) surprised many advocates of a more comprehensive approach to immigration problems when he took up the House bill last week.
But in Congress’s rush to recess last night for the fall political campaigns, the fence bill passed easily, 80 to 19, with 26 Democrats joining 54 Republicans in support. One Republican, Sen. Lincoln D. Chafee (R.I.); one independent, Sen. James M. Jeffords (Vt.); and 17 Democrats opposed the bill. The president has indicated that he will sign it.”
Here is the problem with the wall.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ron-white-donald-trump_5644aec1e4b060377347e361
By it´s charter United Nations were supposed to
– To maintain international peace and security…
– To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples …
– To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character,
– To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends.
There should be no doubt that peace and security should be the main focus of United Nations.
“The UN was not created to take mankind to heaven, but to save humanity from hell.”
— Dag Hammarskjöld, Secretary-General from 1953 to 1961
Rather than paying full attention to its charter, it´s mission – the reason for it´s existence – United Nations has developed into a bureaucracy. A bureaucracy which has degraded into organizations providing humanity with products having a disgraceful lack value, like:
“Standard for Llama/Alpaca Meat”
http://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trade/agr/standard/meat/e/Llama_2008_e_Publication.pdf
But United Nations has become more than a bureaucracy. A particular part of United Nations has developed into a idiocracy. This part is called United Nations Framework on Climate Change (UNFCCC). An idiocracy demonstrated by it´s endorsement of unscientific guidance to use subjective statements within science and base its work on the unscientific principles of consensus. Here are some glaring monuments over inductivism and justificationism:
http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/ipcc-principles/ipcc-principles.pdf
https://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/supporting-material/uncertainty-guidance-note.pdf
The Conference of the Parties COP21 in Paris, (arranged by United Nations Framework on Climate Change (UNFCCC),) will for ever stand as a glaring monument over the departure of United Nations from it´s charter. A glaring monument over the rise of bureaucracy and idiocracy.
Worse than 2 degrees of global warming in 100 years
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2 million degrees warming in the blink of an eye.
It is only an matter of time before the major cities of the western world are subject to a coordinated attack by nuclear weapons smuggled in by Islamic fundamentalists bought and paid for by oil money.
Every dollar the US and EU send to the middle east to buy oil is simply another nail in the millions of coffins that are on their way. Anyone that thinks the millions of refuges created by the years of war in the Middle East will think kindly towards the West best think again.
If your country was bombed by country X, and then you were accepted as a refugee into country X, what would you think of country X? Would you be happy they took you in? Or would you be thinking revenge? And what if your holly book said God was on your side?
Will it be tomorrow? Perhaps not. But it will happen long before Climate Change is a problem.
The horrifying events in Paris only reinforce the need to address climate change.
A study published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences in March says drought in Syria, exacerbated to record levels by global warming, pushed social unrest in that nation across a line into an open uprising in 2011. The terrorists in Paris almost certainly were radicalized by the situation in Syria.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-change-hastened-the-syrian-war/
oh sure, all good terrorists believe that global warming is the greatest threat in the world …
you really need to read more broadly
Who said anything about terrorists believing that global warming is the greatest threat? It doesn’t matter whether the terrorists believe it or not. The fact is that environmental disasters (which are exacerbated by global warming) leads to social unrest. When social unrest occurs in the middle east, that often results in the breakdown of social institutions and the rise of terrorist organizations.
Why would warming exacerbate environmental disasters?
Can’t find the article, but the take was that increased population and poor water management, not drought specifically (as droughts do recur periodically in all regions) was the cause of some food issues. However, the supposed real reasons for the Syrian war was the encouragement of greater educational reforms by Assad’s wife. But apparently students didn’t quite realize what the effect of their new freedoms would have on the Mukhabarat (Syrian military Intelligence) which is very influential in Syrian politics but is supposed to be controlled by the President. The serious problems started when the Mukhabarat began to capture, torture and kill “radicals” and leave them in the streets as warnings (kind of like Mexican drug gangs).
Have to add that if the Mukhabarat are really in charge of Syria to this degree, then it will do little good to replace Assad.
Luke, you took step one and came upon this site. You could get an education on this Global #1 site on climate science (this thread on the Paris T-attack is unusual here and only treated here because it is a major story and the cop21 bunfest on global warming is to take place in Paris). Your contributions are naive and show your gullibility in the face of propaganda. Even quoting the totally degraded scientific american here is a symptom and the huff post is an instrument only for that purpose. You have a duty to detoxify yourself of the lefty Kindergarten to Grad School group think education you (and most of us) received. Don’t waste this opportunity with these cliche points.
Interesting that you and others here accept uncritically the few published studies that are consistent with your view point (increasing ice mass in Antarctica, for instance) but anything in the peer-reviewed literature that is counter to your point of view (about 97% of it) you dismiss as “leftist propaganda”. Now tell me, who are the “true believers”?
Luke. We don’t have to uncritically accept the result of Zwally’s Antarctic result.
It’s mere existence demonstrates that the science is evolving that this is not “settled science”.
The result is based on precise satellite measurement and analysis – BUT, it not only differs from previous estimates in magnitude, but in sign. i.e. it is the precise opposite.
Its mere existence crushes any suggestion that the “science is settled”.
We did not say that the “science is settled” in our favour.
The alarmists claimed that the “science is settled” in their favour.
Whether the Zwally result proves water-tight can not trouble skeptics.
It can only hurt the pride and arrogance of the “science is settled” buffoons.
Whether is it ultimately shown to be superior to the IPCC estimates, or not.
Take it from me – when a major state of the art study from a well known climate alarmist scientist tells us that 90% of the earth’s land based ice is not shrinking, as formerly believed, but growing in size, then the science is NOT settled.
That’s all that we need to know.
The situation/war in Syria had everything to do with Assad getting heavy handed with unarmed protesters. Sending out his tanks and using live ammo was his version of “let them eat cake”. End of story.
But what started the uprising in the first place? Drought and crop failure displaced hundreds of thousands of Syrians to the cities where they could not find jobs. When they started protesting against Assad and his regime, he came down on them with a heavy hand. The drought (exacerbated by climate change) started it all.
If a drought had anything to do with it, and i think it maybe did, it was not drought in the Mideast region at all, but the one in the US.
When the US congress instituted the ethanol mandate in 2005, and increased it so substantially in 2007, the price of corn and other grains shot upwards, and over time the worldwide stockpiles and supplies of these foodstuffs were greatly reduced.
http://murphycofutures.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Corn-Chart-01Jul14.bmp
The price did fall back down some after the economic collapse and associated commodity price collapse in late 2008, but spiked right back up when the US began to be gripped by the drought of 2010. Alarmist warnings of this being a new normal did not help of course, and greatly fed into the speculative fever driving at least some of the spike in futures prices.
Prices did not regain sane levels until the drought busting rains returned to much of the US in 2013 and 2014, and continued into 2015.
My thesis is that the sharp uptick in worldwide grain prices caused primarily by the US decision to divert substantial and increasing amounts of food and farmland towards producing motor fuel, (which BTW has no economic, environmental, or resource conservation justification) led directly to the Arab Spring uprisings in 2010 and beyond. Food riots and economic disruption followed the price spikes, and those places most vulnerable to this shock wave experienced significant economic and political turmoil as a result.
So, if you want to know where to look for blame, look at the misguided policies provoked by so called green environmentalists, who forced policies which were neither green or environmentally sound, and which have proved to be a costly economic and political disaster both here in the US, and far abroad.
The temperature of the global atmosphere has been flat, or nearly flat, throughout this century.
When you account for temperatures across the entire globe (including the Arctic, which is the part of the planet warming fastest), the global surface warming trend for 1997–2012 is approximatley 0.11 to 0.12°C per decade (Cowtan and Way 2013). I am sure you will come back with the RRS and UAH satellite temperature records. Here is a detailed explanation of the problems associated with using satellites to estimate surface temperatures.
http://www.scottchurchdirect.com/docs/MSU-Troposphere-Review01.pdf
Ironic casualty
http://news.yahoo.com/al-gore-hosting-climate-telethon-paris-eiffel-tower-163634484.html
The question is a bit mistated. The conference is a waste of time.e and money, it should be cancelled regardless of what is going on in Paris.
Also criminality increased before and increased even more with François Hollande and the last thing France needs is to have to protect thousands of “delegates”. The police and army were already on the knees.
The organizers of COP21 can’t make such a grand gesture as the US President’s announcement that steps have been taken to expedite the processing of 40,000 Islamic refugees to the US, but they can express their outreach in other ways. COP21 could easily organize walking tours of the 5th arrondissement, emphasizing the explorations of exotic side streets near Rue Geoffroy Saint-Hilaire and exotic residential areas of Barbes- Rochechouart.
oops posted inadvertently before completion… should have read… Barbes- Rouchechouart station, on their way to Montmartre.
Obama won’t lead, maybe France will.
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it really says something about the US if France is taking the lead in military action.
Obama’s “junior varsity” comment regarding ISIS shows the US continues to misunderstand and underestimate the danger.
IS may well be small compared to the US. It may well be a mosquito. But it is a mosquito carrying malaria. Or worse, Ebola or HIV. A disease that is deadly to whomever gets bitten.
Hand waving doesn’t cut it. It may scare the mosquito off for awhile, but as soon as your back is turned it is going to try and bite you.
The mosquito isn’t going to compromise. You either kill the mosquito or it will kill you. Because the mosquito doesn’t care what happens to you. It cares only for itself. Nothing you can do or say will ever change that.
ferdberple wrote:
it really says something about the US if France is taking the lead in military action”
Well, actually it says something about Obama, not the U.S. Obama and his delusional world view is the problem.
The last poll I saw said 60 percent of Americans supported putting American boots on the ground in Iraq and Syria to stop the Islamic Terror Army. The percentage would be higher than that if our national leadership were to promote such an idea instead of constantly throwing cold water on it.
Yes, it is unprecedented that a U.S. president will not lead in this situation, but it is happening. Obama is not going to do any more militarily that he absolutely has to do. Which means someone else is going to have to take the lead if there is going to be any effective action against the Islamic Terror Army over the next 14 months. Obama has washed his hands of the area, and he’s not going back.
He’s leaving a terrible mess for his successor and all the rest of us.
TA
Ferdberple. I would not assume Obama underestimates the danger. I think he knows it and sympathies more with the Islamist views than the views of most Americans. He told us in his book what he was going to do.
Writes Leonard Lane:
And in his book, Mr. Alinsky told us how.
the creation of the perception that they are doing something when they are doing nearly nothing
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the very definition of government workers.
mods: something very strange is going on with the posts on this article. replies are being jumbled out of order.
I have noticed this post jumbling on other threads, also (within the past week). I return to review what I wrote and the post of someone AFTER mine is (and it is not due to the “Reply” nesting) just above it with a LATER time stated and the commenter is not a person likely to go to auto-moderation and there were no words that would even come close to triggering moderation AND, again, the time stated is LATER, but, the post appears above mine.
Not a big deal, just weird! 🙂
This seems to happen when posts from trolls are deleted.
I have seen it several times before, and all the times it was after posts were deleted.
The headlines announce “FRENCH President Francois Hollande has declared war on Islamic State” and he’ll be “merciless” with those who had anything to do with this atrocity. Then in the next breath we hear his Govt has banned any demonstrations or gatherings by French citizens til at least Thursday.
Way to go free French men and women. Basically stay calm, roll over and stay in lockdown like good little French citizens and don’t forget this is just an isolated lone wolf terrorist attack by a bunch of lone wolf terrorists and we don’t want you upsetting all the good Muslims rolling up while your outraged elites get merciless on your behalf.
Now where have I heard that response before?
Interesting things happening with this thread.
You answer a post, and your reply ends up somewhere else entirely. You post a video, and half an hour later a completely different video takes its place. Has WUWT been hacked or bugged?
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I asked a question on latest posting – have no idea where it went or if it went.
It’s all tragically frustrating.
By the time people wake up and realize that borders and national identity were actually quite a good idea – it will be too late. Even the mainstream take on this latest atrocity is thin on analysis and heavy on pointless and useless symbolism.
Except that they mentioned that it is believed that one of the attackers entered Europe along the migrant route from Turkey, through a Greek Island.
No interpretation was made of this. No implications were drawn.
Just more clumsy symbolism about standing shoulder to shoulder with the French etc.
French values are our values.
Which I suppose also means that French subversive leftist ideology is our subversive leftist ideology.
And that the French censorship on rational enquiry in the media is our censorship on rational enquiry in the media.
Modern Europe, built by engineers, destroyed by dumb ideas.
With no boarder controls you open a gate and the devil comes in
The show must go on.
http://news.yahoo.com/france-ahead-climate-change-summit-source-121618006.html
France to go ahead with climate summit, with tough security
As usual there have been good comments on this thread along with utter mindless drivel. It always amazes me how uneducated Americans are about the history of the world. Even recent history. One could better understand the world if one would listen to the economists and historians of the Austrian School and read the radical libertarians like M. Rothbard, H. Hoppe, or W. Block.
On the plus side, someone mentioned Von Mises up-thread! And then even Mencken! Ah, at least one rational commenter here! (a little joke there — it is not over the top)
~ Mark S.