BREAKING News – Major Terrorist Atrocity in Paris, Just Weeks until COP21

See Update 6 – a poll has been added about whether the COP21 climate conference in Paris should continue as planned.

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Editorial cartoon by Josh

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

BREAKING NEWS – a major Terrorist attack is in progress in Paris, which will shortly host the COP21 Climate Conference. At least 140 40 people are reported to be dead, up to 100 hostages still unaccounted for.

According to Sky News Australia;

French police officials say at least 40 people have been killed in multiple attacks in Paris, including one near the Stade de France sports stadium and another at a concert venue.

French Media is reporting at least 60 people have been killed.

Fifteen of the victims have been killed at the Bataclan concert hall in eastern Paris, with reports saying a further 100 people have been taken hostage.

Others have been killed in explosions near the stadium just north of Paris, where a France-Germany football match was taking place, and in a restaurant shooting.

Read more: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2015/11/14/casualties-in-paris-restaurant-shooting.html#sthash.CgFoL84x.dpuf

Lets us all hope that French authorities manage to stop this horrific terrorist attack, with minimal further loss of life.

UPDATE by Anthony: I wonder if President Obama will rethink his threat priorities now, this from the White House Twitter feed in April:

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Update 2: I will add, that this is a terrible terrible thing, and I think I speak for all WUWT readers that our hearts go out to the victims and their families in Paris. Let’s hope there is a swift end to this, and that the guilty will be brought to justice.

Update 3: France is under a state of emergency, and has closed its borders:

“French President Francois Hollande declared a state of emergency and in a televised address to the nation announced that he was closing the country’s borders ‘to make sure that those who have committed these crimes can be stopped.’ He also indicated that authorities knew who was responsible for the attacks.”
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/13/dozens-killed-in-paris-terror-attacks?int=9b9e08

Update4: Meanwhile, Al Gore’s 24 hour climate change webcast is hosted at the Eiffel Tower.

http://news.yahoo.com/al-gore-hosting-climate-telethon-paris-eiffel-tower-163634484.html

It appears the 24 hours of reality/act on climate video feed is off now, probably a sensible thing to do.  Screencap from https://www.climaterealityproject.org/24hoursofreality

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Update 5: questions about COP21 already being asked according to BBC Europe editor Katya Adler:

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Update 5: Watch France 24 Live in English 

Update 6: Poll added, since this is being discussed in media worldwide now.

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657 thoughts on “BREAKING News – Major Terrorist Atrocity in Paris, Just Weeks until COP21

  1. The French state can not guarantee the safety of the 40000 delegates. An attack on them would be a major pr coup for terrorists and a disaster for the French state and humanity.

    I would expect the climate summit in the format Currently proposed will need to be postponed.

    Tonyb

      • No-one gives a monkey’s about COP21.

        This is just terrorism.
        And we shouldn’t be afraid.

        They only use violence because they can’t match the freedom of democracies.
        Or the compassion of democracies,
        Or the wealth generation of democracies.
        Or the future of democracies.
        Because we are better than such narrow minded hatred.

        No-one gives a monkey’s about the desperation of ISIS.

      • “This is just terrorism.
        And we shouldn’t be afraid.”
        “No-one gives a monkey’s about the desperation of ISIS.”
        Well the French government is, I am sure, quite concerned about public perception. What IS obvious is the complete stupidity of the Islamic radicals. They just don’t seem to realize that if they poke the bear(‘s) enough that they are going to be on the receiving end with a result that won’t be pretty for them or their “Caliphate”. The Russians in particular are the most ruthless and effective about such replies as they historically don’t have much concern with political correctness or bothering to hide “human rights” violations.

      • I expect life will become very problematic for ISIS in the coming weeks and months.
        This coordinated attack on France, including one at the location of the President, is tantamount to an act of war; and France being a member of NATO means that, treaty wise, we are technically at war with ISIS.
        That is my take on the situation, anyway. Spineless politicians may try to explain it away though, and wait for the other shoe to fall.
        Giving those bloodthirsty killers free rein to expand and do their thing, to gather funds and plan operations…for NEARLY AN ENTIRE YEAR, will be seen as a very dim-witted and boneheaded, and a de facto abandonment of the responsibility of our governments to protect it’s citizenry.
        They have declared all along they are at war with us, and will soon bring it too us.
        History tells us that such warnings are best not ignored or taken lightly.

      • Actually I don’t think COP 21 would be a target as both ISIS/Al-Qaida and cop21 organizers both want a single world government that has the energy infrastructure of the Stone Age

      • Menicholas
        November 13, 2015 at 6:07 pm

        If a connection to ISIS, a self-proclaimed state with territory it administers, can indeed be shown behind this outrage, then, yes France, a NATO member (although not participating in its military organization) has been attacked by a state, not a terrorist gang like Qaeda, and other NATO members would be obliged by the treaty to come to the defense of France.

        Maybe if enough other countries urge him to, Obama might act. But I fear he’ll try to do anything he does do on the cheap. To wipe out ISIS in Iraq rapidly would require upwards of two US Marine divisions and the Army’s XVIII Airborne Corps (three light–10th Mountain, 82nd Airborne, 101st Air Assault–and one heavy, 3rd Armored, divisions, reinforced with Stryker Brigade Combat Teams), plus a Special Forces Group and a large Air Expeditionary Wing.

        A minor fraction of that force could have kept ISIS out of Iraq in the first place.

      • The terrorists don’t give an aerobatic assignation about COP21. If they did, they’d have waited until next month.

      • “What IS obvious is the complete stupidity of the Islamic radicals. They just don’t seem to realize that if they poke the bear(‘s) enough that they are going to be on the receiving end with a result that won’t be pretty for them or their “Caliphate”. The Russians in particular are the most ruthless and effective about such replies as they historically don’t have much concern with political correctness or bothering to hide “human rights” violations.”

        Yea Yea. More brain dead tough tallk.

        These radicals are very intelegent. They know that us westerners are stupid and still think sending conventional military forces to the middle east will have any lasting effect. Have you already forgotten Iraq and Afghanistan? The Soviets couldn’t even keep Afghanistan.

        What is needed is a policy of containment and non-intervention in the region. Absent a common enemy in the region, they will quickly go back to fighting between each other. Our military can then focus on national DEFENCE and not offence.

        These attacks make headlines, but are at best an anoyance. Don’t play into their hands and go on another military expedition.

      • BFL: Prior to WWII the Japanese leadership, was convinced that the US did not have the will to fight, and if they could deliver a serious blow to us that the US would rush to capitulate. They believed this because of American behavior since WWI. If you read through the things politicians were saying and doing at the time, it was not an unreasonable assumption for someone to make. Especially someone unfamiliar with western culture.

      • It may be blood thirsty, but it’s a strategy that has worked time and time again throughout history.
        Offer peace if they are willing to take it. However if they don’t want peace, then attack every time attacked in an over whelming counter strike.
        They kill 100 of us, we kill 10,000 of them. Keep it up until they decide that peace is the better option, or we run out of them.
        Either way, problem solved.

      • In WWII yes, the Japanese attacked the U.S. in an effort to gain capitulation from a perceived weak nation and thereby gain total control over the North Pacific region. But expecting the U.S. to back down is 180 dev from what ISIS/ISIL – Al-Qaida are expecting.

        The extremists in the region want western involvement. Every time we remove an Arab Dictator, they move in
        You would be hard pressed to find a country in the region where we haven’t deposed a dictator and the extremists didn’t move in and set up shop with principles based on sharia law.

        They want the western world to fight against them and are uncaring of weather or not they die. After all, to a Ji-hadist, the Ji-had itself is insurance of the afterlife

      • Gluteus Maximus:

        France, a NATO member (although not participating in its military organization) has been attacked by a state, not a terrorist gang like Qaeda, and other NATO members would be obliged by the treaty to come to the defense of France.

        This is actually incorrect, since ISIS is not recognized as a state by any of NATO members. It will probably lead to a escalation of the attacks that some NATO members are already carrying out on ISIS.

    • Writes climatereason:

      The French state can not guarantee the safety of the 40000 delegates. An attack on them would be a major pr coup for terrorists and a disaster for the French state and humanity.

      On “humanity”? Haven’t you gotten it a bit back-to-front? Let us interpret “humanity” as the members of the human race whom these “40000 delegates” are bent upon plundering, impoverishing, starving, and sentencing to death by hypothermia and pneumonia in homes the poor people can’t afford to heat.

      With that in mind, any “terrorists” exploiting this opportunity to put these 40,000 tax-feeders, rent-seekers, charlatans, quacks, confidence men, megalomaniacs, and other “malevolent jobholders” – not to mention a hefty corps of legacy media root-weevils – out of “humanity’s” misery might be considered to have provided a public service.

      Allah knows that culling this herd cannot be interpreted as aught but a blessing upon mankind at large, dar-al-Islam and dar-al-Harb alike.

      In 20 years of debating people, I have never once seen a cultist reject his superstition based on the evil nature of its doctrines.

      — Stefan Molyneux

      • climatereason indignifies:

        Are you seriously suggesting that the 40000 delegates to a sscientific conference, No matter your feelings about the event, should be ‘culled’?

        Oh, perish forfend!

        Not “should.”

        Not that such a development wouldn’t come with more than a wee frisson of satisfaction should there be occasion for so many of these international Social Justice Warriors to become the focus of juramentado attentions in the City of Lights.

        Don’t for an instant imagine that this Schlurperfest beginning 30 November is in ANY way “a scientific conference.”

        There ceased to be anything “scientific” about this fraud the moment Mann et alia got “Mike’s Nature trick” through pal-review and into publication.

        The essential characteristic of Western civilization that distinguishes it from the arrested and petrified civilizations of the East was and is its concern for freedom from the state. The history of the West, from the age of the Greek polis down to the present-day resistance to socialism, is essentially the history of the fight for liberty against the encroachments of the officeholders.

        — Ludwig von Mises

      • It’s a bit depressing that such vile sentiments were not removed by the moderators, and will be seen by many as a valid point for discussion on this website

        [mods on duty this morning are cleaning up those coomemnts -mod]

      • ‘Mods on duty’ seem to have time to comment, but still don’t remove vile comments.

        It bodes ill for WUWT if this rubbish is allowed to sit here and stink.

      • markx expresses disgruntlement that my comment to the effect that

        any “terrorists” exploiting this opportunity to put these 40,000 tax-feeders, rent-seekers, charlatans, quacks, confidence men, megalomaniacs, and other “malevolent jobholders” – not to mention a hefty corps of legacy media root-weevils – [scheduled to attend COP21 in promotion of the anthropogenic global warming fraud] out of “humanity’s” misery might be considered to have provided a public service.

        Allah knows that culling this herd cannot be interpreted as aught but a blessing upon mankind at large, dar-al-Islam and dar-al-Harb alike.

        …has not been excised as “vile.”

        Has markx not yet examined the United Nations’ Agenda 21 in order to discern true vileness?

        Global Warming was just one issue The Club of Rome (TCOR) targeted in its campaign to reduce world population. In 1993 the Club’s co-founder, Alexander King with Bertrand Schneider wrote The First Global Revolution stating,

        “The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”

        They believe all these problems are created by humans but exacerbated by a growing population using technology. “Changed attitudes and behavior” basically means what it has meant from the time Thomas Malthus raised the idea the world was overpopulated. He believed charity and laws to help the poor were a major cause of the problem and it was necessary to reduce population through rules and regulations. TCOR ideas all ended up in the political activities of the Rio 1992 conference organized by Maurice Strong (a TCOR member) under the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP). The assumptions and objectives became the main structure of Agenda 21, the master plan for the 21st Century. The global warming threat was confronted at Rio through the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) and creation of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). It was structured to predetermine scientific proof that human CO2 was one contribution of the “common enemy”.

        The IPCC was very successful. Despite all the revelations about corrupted science and their failed predictions (projections) CO2 remains central to global attention about energy and environment.

        — Tim Ball, “Overpopulation: The Fallacy Behind The Fallacy Of Global Warming” (7 January 2014)

        Oh, yeah. For all our “religion of peace” readers: أكل لحم الخنزير أو الموت

      • Thanks Tucci.

        I have read all that. Previously.
        I don’t like it.

        I still consider your comment vile.

        And it will do nothing but degrade the reputation and standing of WUWT in the eyes of critics and neutral observers.

        But, that is a decision for, and the concern of, Anthony Watts.

        I’d simply suggest you may do better to put aside your anger and shrill lust for blood, and apply your energies more calmly and positively in your effort to rectify the wrongs you perceive.

        Regards and thanks,

        markx

      • markx indulges his political correctness perseverently in censor-wannabe mode, reiterating:

        I still consider your comment vile.

        And it will do nothing but degrade the reputation and standing of WUWT in the eyes of critics and neutral observers.

        But, that is a decision for, and the concern of, Anthony Watts.

        I’d simply suggest you may do better to put aside your anger and shrill lust for blood, and apply your energies more calmly and positively in your effort to rectify the wrongs you perceive.

        Reminds me of that 17 November in 2009 when I cracked open FOIA2009.zip and started scanning the e-mails circulated among the Climatic Research Unit correspondents to discover confirmation that these sons of bitches had not only been co-opting the editorial functions of the most prestigious journals in the sciences but also perverting blinded peer review into flagrantly collusive pal review and I felt my Sicilian ethnicity taking hold from down in the depths of the id, with my thumbs a-twitch and the urge to take throats between my hands and literally put an end to these thieving, lying, whoring saboteurs of everything the sciences had ever stood for.

        Genuine “urge to kill.” Cleansing passion, that, after close to thirty years of suffering the blatant fraud perpetrated by these arrogant, frankly evil “consensus” quacks.

        So, no, the thought of the great bulk of the highest-ranking “Climate Change” fraud’s co-conspirators having themselves an energetic encounter with a cadre of suicide-vest-wearing jihadis sincerely espousing an older and more brutally murderous fallacy couldn’t possibly strike my sense of justice as anything other than one of those poetic conjunctions so seldom gracing the pages of history.

        A sort of consummation devoutly to be wished, if y’know what I mean.

        Indirectly, the “climate catastrophe” fraudsters have killed people. Pensioners dying of hypothermia in the U.K. because the alarmists engaged a CO2-reduction strategy the employed “carbon pricing” to punish all consumers with higher energy prices, leaving folks on limited income no option but the suffer the winters with little or no heat. Americans on similarly limited incomes struggling to pay their electricity bills – which Obozo had promised (to the purpose of abating “carbon polllution”) would “necessarily skyrocket” – and not uncommonly failing to do so, shivering in the cold and the dark for months on end. Costs of food all over the planet rising as vast amounts of corn is turned into fuel ethanol that only an idiot wants in his gas tank, and which has to be forced on vendors and their customers by federal regulations of no constitutionality whatsoever, just so leftard Watermelons can feel good about ramming “renewable energy” up the collective ass of their innocent neighbors.

        Do I want these guys to cease and desist? You betcha. Am I one of the growing number of Americans approaching the point where “shoot, shovel, and shut up” looks like a better option than letting the death of a thousand cuts continue?

        Yep.

        The media insist that crime is the major concern of the American public today. In this connection they generally push the point that a disarmed society would be a crime-free society. They will not accept the truth that if you take all the guns off the street you still will have a crime problem, whereas if you take the criminals off the street you cannot have a gun problem.

        In the larger sense, however, the personal ownership of firearms is only secondarily a matter of defense against the criminal. Note the following from Thomas Jefferson:

        The strongest reason for the people to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny of government.

        That is why our masters in Washington are so anxious to disarm us. They are not afraid of criminals. They are afraid of a populace which cannot be subdued by tyrants.

        — Jeff Cooper, Commentaries, Vol. 2, No. 5, May 1994

        we want to save the Western civilization, our freedom to live and flourish, we must stop tolerating and appeasing the evil and the irrational: those that hate our civilization and want to destroy it. This — and not climate change — is the biggest threat we face today. We must also convince our governments to return to their proper role as the protectors of our freedom and to retaliate with strong military response when terrorist attacks occur, or to act proactively to stop planned attacks.

        The the loss of lives caused by the Paris massacres were tragic; they serve as a horrific reminder to the world political leaders about to gather there for the UN climate summit. Their work lies, not in attempting to control our lives through unnecessary and futile climate policies, but in protecting us against Islamist terrorism, a true threat to our ability to survive and flourish.

        — Jaana Woiceshyn, “How To Prevent The Next Paris Tragedy” (15 November 2015)

      • I have heard that at least one person was arrested and claimed to be “from ISIS”.
        And the concert shooters proclaimed that “this is for Syria”.
        Of course, reports at this stage could prove erroneous.
        But I will lay down hard cash-money that the Mormons are not responsible.
        Or Catholics.
        Or Baptists.
        Or Christians of any denomination.
        Or Jews.
        Or Hindus.
        Or Buddhists.
        Or Shinto, Taoists, Zoroastrianists, Sikhs, Toltecs, Heathens, Celtic polytheists, Pagans, Wiccans, or Hellenists.
        And not even Pastafarians.

      • At least Obama did use the word “terrorist”, but couldn’t bring himself to say “Muslim”, although they were known as such from the outset. Of course, to him, only peaceful Muslims are real Muslims, contrary to the words of the Prophet, eternal damnation be upon him.

      • I’ve been listening to the news on several different stations, and no one has ever mentioned ‘Muslim’ or ‘Islamic’, etc.
        dbstealy I was watching Fox News and they had “Islamist Terrorists” in the headline at the top for a good part of the night.
        That’s why I watch Fox, they’re unafraid to call a spade a spade despite Obama’s desires.

    • Security around the conference is going to be a lot tighter than anything seen today.
      It’s highly unlikely they could have penetrated the hotels and venues of the conference.
      Terrorists like going after soft targets, the body count is higher.

      • Maybe, consider that President Hollande was at the stadium where several bombs were exploded. That is a bit surprising to me the terrorists could get that close. One positive spin to this tragedy is that the liberal politicians across Europe may succumb to voter dissatisfaction in the years to follow. There is going to be a very angry backlash from public opinion on this sorrowful episode.

      • It’s highly unlikely they could have penetrated the hotels and venues of the conference.
        That assumes that they have not already penetrated the hotels. Think of all the places you can hide nefarious things.

      • Think of how many of the staff at Parisian hotels are Muslims. Like Muslim Brotherhood baggage handlers at Sharm el-Sheikh.

      • I would expect that the background checks on employees at a top hotel in a major capital to be higher than at a minor air port half way to nowhere.
        Heads of state usually bring their own security to such venues. When the president is travelling the secret service usually closes off an entire floor and they control all entrances and exits.

    • “The French state can not guarantee the safety of the 40000 delegates.” (Tonyb)

      Yes…., but this was known months ago (years, actually).

    • On the contrary, the actual event is planned for a private airport. To control the site itself would be straightforward. The city of Paris, its cafes and restaurants, etc, yes I accept that’s another matter. But they cannot be allowed to win. COP 21 should go ahead.

      • Drones can only carry a pound or so, at most. The heavier their payload, the shorter their range, which isn’t that great to begin with.
        Beyond that, control over commercial drones can be easily jammed. Even military type drones can be jammed with sufficient effort.

      • Under no circumstances should the COP21 conference be allowed to continue. It’s true purpose is political and is harmful to the economies of most nations. It will destroy Western Civilization, possibly before the Islamic states have a chance to do so. Saying that, it will probably fail as they are already fighting over how to divide up the stolen wealth — namely yours and mine.

        Thanks to the second ammendment, it would be a bad idea to pull out weapons in malls and restaurants of most states. In concerts, games, and other gun-free zones — too bad. The police will show up to tag and bag you in the aftermath. Just like last night

      • You can be assured that their victims were unarmed. France is very progressive you know. And guess what? Next week, they’ll still be unarmed, just like the victims in coming attacks in NY, Boston, Chicago, London, Berlin. Get the trend?

      • Aren’t guns outlawed in France?

        It depends on what you mean.

        But certainly ordinary concert-goers are not carrying a gun in France, and, in this case, unordinary concert-goers carry them even if it is illegal.

        Kalashnikov is a nasty weapon in hands of a trained terrorist. ISIS delenda est.

      • Guns aren’t illegal in France, but some are. The others are controlled and restricted.

        But carrying a gun is illegal for civilians.

      • simple-touriaste says:

        But carrying a gun is illegal for civilians.

        Well, that pretty much defeats the purpose of protecting civilians from Islamist fanatics, no?

    • We should not waste any time or resources on the non existent catastrophe of manmade global warming. We should rather devote resources to dealing with the real catastrophe of global terrorism of which Paris is the latest disaster.

  2. more info:

    “French President Francois Hollande declared a state of emergency and in a televised address to the nation announced that he was closing the country’s borders ‘to make sure that those who have committed these crimes can be stopped.’ He also indicated that authorities knew who was responsible for the attacks.”
    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/13/dozens-killed-in-paris-terror-attacks?int=9b9e08

    and

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/gun-attack-explosion-reported-in-paris/

    bad, bad, bad

    • “‘… He also indicated that authorities knew who was responsible for the attacks.‘”

      But we mustn’t upset their low-self-esteem brothers and sisters….. so we just won’t say who it is… .

      Pretending Muslims are not the problem works every time…. .

      • Yeah look at Obummer’s take:
        “This is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values we share,”
        The major problem is that Muslims don’t share any values with any other religion or social standard, so the statement is just “head in the sand” stupidity.

    • Border closings may be designed to stop the flow of immigrants. Trouble was inevitable with the present, unending stream of middle eastern refugees flowing into Western Europe. France might be viewed as a destination but also as a way-station on the road to U.K., Scandinavian countries, and the U.S.

      • An estimated 80% are not “refugees”, they just want what they think are better living conditions in Europe (until they find out what living in a “camp” is like). France thought they had a handle on the Muslim situation by refusing to recognize the cultural differences and attempting to force western social norms onto them thru law. However, Islam is the one religion/culture that resists being post-modern with the inevitable result in social friction. Merkel, along with the unelected European commission, appeared to play a large role in this by encouraging the entries. To any sane politician the backfire was predictable.

      • BFL.

        Some Muslim immigrants, their kids and grandkids have assimilated in Western Europe and adopted 21st century standards, even with respect to women. The problem is that a large part even of the second and third generation have not done so and resist even trying.

        A 7th century mentality armed with 20th and 21st century technology (thanks to the West) produces monsters.

      • Gloateus Maximus:
        Agreed that many have assimilated and those, maybe, are fence riding Islamics who don’t take every word of the Koran as “Truth”. However, it would help their lot if they would voluntarily and voraciously verbally attack the radicals and overtly come to the aid of those injured. Haven’t seen that done, so I would have to reason that they are quietly in support of their brethren.

      • BFL,

        In general, you’re correct. However this afternoon I heard a caller on Hannity named Mohamed set the record straight on what the Koran actually teaches. As a former student of the “Recitation”, he correctly stated that the Islamofascists are indeed simply following the literal words of that repulsive pack of lies.

  3. Might have to hit up the Russians for the unconsciousness gas they used in the Moscow theater hostage taking. Maybe this time they’ll say what it is, so that doctors can save more gassed, hungry, thirsty hostages.

    Possibly time to rethink admitting millions more Muslims into Europe, no matter how few babies the indigenous inhabitants are having. The 10th arrondissement is called “Little Turkey”.

    Then the climate terrorists arrive.

    • Aggregated on Wiki-bloody-pedia:

      Analysis of drug residue from the clothing of two British hostages and the urine of a third British hostage,by a team of researchers at the British chemical and biological defense laboratories at Porton Down, Wiltshire, England, indicates two fentanyl derivatives [veterinary large animal sedative drug carfentanil and anesthetic agent remifentanil] were used – and neither were fentanyl or 3-methyl fentanyl (the Russian Minister of Health said fentanyl or a derivative had been used, but didn’t accurately specify which derivatives).

      Fentanyl is a synthetic opioid agonist used for analgesia and sedation, with high potency, rapid onset, and relatively short duration of action. These last two characteristics have made fentanyl usage quite common in conscious sedation as an adjunct to outpatient surgery.

  4. Obama’s legacy.. close Guantanamo, evacuate Iraq, run with tail under ahole, religion of peace.. just saw obuzzmo’s statement… he was clearly shook big time, maybe seeing the error of his was? ( probably not, just fearing the hit tonthe legacy).. the cost of American weakness and our fearless leader’s intransigent pigheadedness

    • Mike Bromley the Kurd

      You just watch, Obama will spin this into a climate change cause.
      —————————————-

      Blaming it on a youtube video is more his speed.

      • Every story I’ve seen is still citing the Charlie Hebdo shootings, as if the violence is somehow justified or was triggered by a youtube video… er a tasteless magazine.

    • “This has nothing to do with climate change, religion, or politics. You keep thinking that people did this. You are wrong. It was guns. We need gun control. It has nothing to do with the person holding the trigger down.”

      Sorry, foe the above, but that is the liberal mindset. Good luck to the French and I hope they get wake up to the enemy in their own country. Welcome to the religion of peace – Islam.

      • How did the Prophet spread Islam? Was it done peacefully or was it done through war? Why should the faithful not follow in the footsteps of the Prophet?

      • Weapon control in France:

        In France, only police and military can carry weapons.

        Hunting weapons are limited by the need to recharge. (No way a semiauto can be considered hunting weapon.)

        Sport shooters can only carry weapon on the way from home to shooting range, in a box, and the way must be declared in advance. There is no such thing as a weapon carry permit.

        Police officers not on duty can carry their weapon, but they may be limited to their administrative district (I think the rule changed recently).

        Even WWII vehicles (jeeps, troop transports) have been declared military devices and cannot be owned by civilians, except by special permits (hard to get).

        You can’t get much further in term of anti-gun laws in a country with a well established hunting tradition.

      • The fundamental failing of firearms laws in all European countries, even the most “liberal”, like Austria, is that guns are not recognized as a legitimate means of self-defense. The state allows its subjects to use only certain firearms for certain purposes (target-shooting, hunting, etc.) under certain conditions.

        This is totally antithetical to the American tradition, which derives from the British Bill of Rights, in which men were allowed to carry the weapons befitting their status. In the US, all men are theoretically equal before the law, so everyone is in the militia and therefore has the right to keep and bear militia weapons. Since the militia exists to defend and keep order in the community, state and nation, the individual right of self-defense is subsumed under the national security and protection of freedom, liberty and the natural rights of Man and the specific rights of Englishmen, to include aristocrats.

    • A number of comments are already saying that CC is the culprit, ” If it was not because of droughts caused by CC these people would be farmers, doctors or lawyers instead of terrorists” ( I’ll stop banging my head against the wall soon)

      • They were saying before these atrocities that the west Asian and North African immigrants were “climate refugees”.

        Disgusting.

      • Joe Bastardi checked the facts, and there was not any drought in the parts of Syria affected.

        The press needs to get back to the business of fact-checking.

      • Wrtites Caleb:

        Joe Bastardi checked the facts, and there was not any drought in the parts of Syria affected.

        The press needs to get back to the business of fact-checking.

        Fact-checking – honest, real-world fact-checking – tends invariably to disprove the Narrative, and is therefore streng verboten in the legacy media.

        You see, I come from a dimension, called reality, where words mean what they mean and words are used to convey information from one mind to another. The Loathers, as best I can tell, come from a different and horrible alien dimension where words mean precisely what they do not mean, and words are used as emotional indicators only, leaving the listener with the task of discovering what it is that the irrelevant stream of false-to-facts and logically-disconnected statements actually refer to.

        I am exaggerating, but only a little. They are not from another dimension, but the Loathers are from a different moral framework. My moral code says dishonesty is wrong, both in thought and deed, and to be illogical is wrong, both formally and morally. Their moral code says reality is wrong, and that any statements conforming to reality are viciously cruel and unforgivable. They cannot actually come out and say what it is that provokes their tears and their ire, because to do so would be to refer to the thing that they cannot name. So they have to take some other thing, only tangentially related, and complain about that.

        — John C. Wright

      • A woman identified as a Canadian author who has lived in Paris for the Past forty years, was interviewed by the CBC this morning. She squarely blamed the war in Syria on climate change.

        I recall a certain Foreign Secretary declaring that the Middle East countries needed regime change. I wonder if she had anything to do with the supply of weapons recovered from the Bengazi area of Libya being shipped to anti-Syrian ‘elements’.

        The ‘climate’ changed, all right. Metal rain.

  5. Thoughts are with those involved. But what if something like this happened in COP21 – there are supposed to be over 100 world leaders attending. And surely this will be a prime target!

    I want to win fair and square based on the science and I certainly wouldn’t wish anything like this on those attending. I hope they cancel it.

    • Indeed Scottish Sceptic. Out thoughts and prayers go out to the unfortunate victims of this barbarity.

    • If they do not cancel, the attendance will be down. Who will want to take a chance? Very little will be accomplished in any case.

      • Nothing is ever accomplished at these things.

        Its all done in small group meetings beforehand or during, then put to the cult followers.

        COP21 is purely the publicity front.

    • Don’t mean to sound uncaring but maybe this is a crisis that COP21 will use to their advantage? Wasn’t it Rahm Emanuel who said, “Don’t waste a crisis?”

      You just have to wonder about anything that takes place these days.

      • Have to agree Peter, it was my first thought also. It’s too contrived and it stinks of a false flag. I find it extremely difficult to believe middle eastern terrorists are in any way concerned by the IPCC or threats of carbon taxes. It just hasn’t been one of those platform items I’ve seen on a radical Muslim agenda before.

        But it would be very wise I think to avoid guilt by association, and perhaps that is the real point. I hope the conference moves forward as planned without further incident, if it’s delayed it might well present an opportunity to escalate what’s been heated debate until now into something much much more sinister. I also hope the people responsible are apprehended and punished for what they’ve done and my thoughts and best wishes go to the victims and their families.

    • My suspicion is the evil actors behind this heinous attack are terrified that any real action to limit fossil fuel consumption will gore their precious cash cow; oil money is the carrot on ISIS’s stick.

    • “COP21 –there are supposed to be over 100 world leaders attending. And surely this will be a prime target!”
      Wow, what a chance to take out mass stupidity…..

      • You thank a sky fairy for saving Steve’s family. If such a thing exists, why does it not prevent such atrocities from happening in the first place.

      • Dear Dackombe,

        Re: “Why… .”

        I would ask, rather, “Why did God intervene to keep the death toll as low as it was?” And I know the answer to that: God loves us. The same thing happened on 9/11/1: the percentage of empty seats on those large planes used by the Jihadists as weapons was, IIRC, an average of: 75% empty.

        God allows free will, but, only lets the tide of ev1l go so far… . Sat@n, is allowed rampage through the earth, but God’s hand is always firmly on the reins.

        Wisdom for us all in any terrible event such as the 11/13/15 Islamic Terror:

        God is too wise to make a mistake.
        God is too kind to do anything cruel.
        God is too deep to explain Himself.

        You can spit at God and say you hate Him because He allows free choice, thus, any ev1l at all, but you would be spitting in the wrong direction. The reason there is ev1l in the world is: us.

        Easier to just pretend God doesn’t exist…. that all that you see around you, the stars, the oceans, the mountains, an eagle’s eyesight, just *poof* appeared at the wave of a “sky fairy’s” wand. ;)

        Glad you piped up — you created a welcome opportunity for me to write the above.

        Your ally for truth in science (and, maybe, your ally in an even more important matter…. someday…. hope so!),

        Janice

      • Janice,

        The 9/11 terrorists had few fellow passengers because al Qaeda had booked seats not used and/or selected flights they saw were not full, in order to minimize resistance.

        It was not God but the al Qaeda planners who were responsible for the passenger numbers. As if that mattered when so many died in the Twin Towers. You really do your cult no favors with such sophisty on public display.

        The credulity of fundamentalists never ceases to amaze, whether “Christian”, which your cult isn’t, or Muslim.

      • I think “Thank God”, “Thank goodness”, etc are just expressions which are familiar to people expressing relief over something, and they don’t necessarily imply any supernatural being has had a hand in the outcome.

        I have used such language myself from time to time, without ever having felt the need to rely on a non-existent imaginary creature which controls the number of seats sold on hhijacked planes, or allows 120 people to be killed before shoutng “OK, that’s enough for today”, etc

    • The epitome of the Gore effect!
      But it is actually worse, with the current US government (Obama and Kerry, as well as misguided defense officials, and of course dear Al) stating over and over that Global Warming (I am unable to say Cl****e Ch***e) is the greatest and most immediate threat to world security. And that the real meaning of leadership is not to have influence in the Middle East, but rather lead the world fight against Global Warming in the Paris COP. This morning he told Stephanopolis (a liberal newsperson) that ISIS has been contained!
      Oh, the irony.

      • “… and we have contained them…. [ISIS] has not gained ground in Iraq…” {B. Hussein, this morning)

        (youtube)

        Nope. Just in Europe.

      • The “contained/decapitate” remark by the POTUS is a clue that he hasn’t got one. Quite a number of drug cartels have been “decapitated” and the flow of drugs into the US hasn’t even been “contained.” Taliban leader Mullah Omar was dead for 2 years before anyone knew the group didn’t have a head. Now they have 2 or 3.

    • Well we’ll soon see as these folk man up and declare the conference must go on in order to save mankind and these fundamentalists are just an isolated minority and not representative of the majority of peace loving Muslims everywhere. After all it could have happened in New York so not to overly worry but concentrate on the bigger picture of saving Gaia.

  6. How many of the assault weapons found their way there through Iran?

    With fond reflections on the triumph of Obama and Kerry, along with the naive whimps who bought into them.

  7. And on TV news (so far), not one mention of “Muslims” or “Islam.” Huh. I just wonder who it might have been? Isis-friendly websites are celebrating, FWIW.

    Poor widdo fellas, just that low self-esteem thing, huh?

    Re: Muslim Self-esteem and NASA

    (youtube)

    How’s that appeasement (via NASA) strategy workin’ out for ya, Barack “my Muslim faith” Hussein?

    {Thank you, Eric Worrall for alerting us to this — I would not have turned on the news but for your e mail}

    • Meh. Probably just another “one-off.”

      Janet Napolitano (B. Hussein’s former official)

      (youtube)

      • Maybe those Muslim unidentified young men in Paris watched an upsetting video … then got so mad they just had go kill some people….

        “What Difference Does It Make” video of Hilary “it was a video” Clinton

        (youtube)

      • If you want to know the truth about Clinton and Benghazi, listen to Robert Spencer. Spencer is the world’s greatest authority on the history of Islam.

        Robert Spencer on Clinton:

      • Funny story about the character Chekov. He was added after the producers received a complaint from the Russian agency that in such a international crew, there was no Russian character.
        So the producers added a Russian crewman, but made him the stereotypical Russian. During this time in history, the Russians had become famous for claiming credit for everything important.

    • Friends in Paris say that hostages are reportedly using cell phones to report they are being systematically shot.

      Can’t verify. First reports are usually wrong, of course. I devoutly hope so.

    • Appears not. The worst barbarity. The murderers might keep a few hostages in order to attempt a getaway.

      -Confirmed death toll at 140 following a series of coordinated attacks around Paris on Friday evening. Approximately 100 of the victims were killed in Bataclan concert hall.

      – President Hollande declares a state of emergency, closes French borders. President’s planned trip to G20 meeting in Turkey cancelled.

      – Reuters confirms end of siege at Bataclan theatre where police have killed two attackers. More than 60 people were held hostage at the Eagles of Death Metal concert. The venue is very near the offices of Charlie Hebdo.

      – Police source tells AP attackers at Bataclan “tossed explosives into the crowd” and describes “carnage” in theatre.

      – Witness at Bataclan tells AFP that an attacker shouted “This is for Syria”.

      – French police confirm three casualties following a bombing at Gate J of Stade de France football arena, north of Paris during a France-Germany friendly match.

      – At least one gunman opened fire at Petit Cambodge restaurant in Paris’s 10th district, and nearby Le Carillon Bar.

      – Attacks also reported at Les Halle’s and Belle Equipe bar, BBC says.

      – Airports are expected to remain open, but travelers are advised to contact their carriers for details.

      – President Obama vows to do “whatever it takes” to bring terrorists to justice. (That should scare them! Another red line in the sand.)

      • In his summary, Gloateus Maximus writes:

        – President Obama vows to do “whatever it takes” to bring terrorists to justice. (That should scare them! Another red line in the sand.)

        Not that they’d be able to see that “red line.”

        Too much blood.

        Let those who fight in the cause of God who barter the life of this world for that which is to come; for whoever fights on God’s path, whether he is killed or triumphs, We will give him a handsome reward.

        — Holy Qu’ran, Sura iv, 74

      • President Obama vows to do “whatever it takes” to bring terrorists to justice. (That should scare them! Another red line in the sand.)

        You mean, another yellow line in the sand.

  8. Commentary from at least one interviewed “expert” on Australian Channel 9 news this morning states unequivocally that in the wake of these attacks, COP21 WILL be cancelled/deferred/rescheduled/whatever.

    • woz comments:

      Commentary from at least one interviewed “expert” on Australian Channel 9 news this morning states unequivocally that in the wake of these attacks, COP21 WILL be cancelled/deferred/rescheduled/whatever.

      Considering developments in climate conditions worldwide – and political developments pertinent to Obozo’s “Clean Power Plan” being emphatically rejected by the enraged American people (“Pound sand!” states the newly-elected governor of Kentucky in response to our Indonesian-in-Chief’s E.P.A.), this Islamic terrorist attack on Paris must be viewed as a veritable gift from Allah.

      The fraudsters might well be happy to forego this opportunity for yet another exercise in luxurious indulgence at the taxpayers’ expense, given that it’s not only foredoomed to failure but puts them squarely in the gunsights of increasingly voluble “haters” in every nation of the Western world.

      Faith is essentially intolerant … essentially because necessarily bound up with faith is the illusion that one’s cause is also God’s cause.

      — Ludwig Feuerbach

      • “Then how do you explain the intolerance of atheists?”
        I think that you are mistaking their wry remarks about what they consider the defective logic of religion as “intolerance”. I would believe that they don’t try to convert (unlike some pushy religious types) and typically have a general logical disdain for comments thereof.

    • This attack was clearly planned months ahead (with an estimated 2 dozen operatives at 6 different sites). Today several of the attackers claimed retaliation for the attack and ISIS in Syria in the last few days. Is it possible this WAS planned for COP 21, but moved up because of the West’s recent move on ISIS? (and of course if they forced a delay in that event, they still won.)

      • The choice of venues attacked suggests to me that it was planned for today, but I guess they could have switched targets.

        France has been involved in the anti-ISIS campaign for some time.

      • It was planned for today.

        Friday 13th.

        Black Friday. Black flag.

        But don’t be surprised if there’s a follow-up on 11 November.

      • climate change isn’t something on the minds of this group. Trust me, it was going to occur with or without climate change.

    • I know I read at least a week or more back that France was on alert for attacks..looks like they goofed or missed the place n time
      but yeah the climatecuckoo meeting would have been a ripper time n place global participants Max value for terror
      they have a “problem” as does UK with huge areas with almost all mideast residents
      as does Sweden
      and all the rapes in sweden germany etc are very very carefully NOT mentioning the nationality/cult of the offenders
      not talking about it..does NOT make it go away

      • Leaders need to start rounding them up and shipping them back home, at gunpoint if necessary.
        They all are not radicals, but all it takes is one; it is not worth it to risk the safety of my children for the sake of multiculturalism and the liberal view that we can all get along. Diversity plus proximity equals war. Always has, always will.

      • “Diversity plus proximity equals war.”

        The funny thing is when we are told, all the time, that arbitrary straight-lines frontiers made by colonialists powers (countries of the “North”) in Africa made absurd states with ethnically and religiously diverse people that are thus not viable, and the same PC commentators tell us that the countries of the “North” must accept refugees or “migrants” or immigrants from these very intolerant and racist “South” populations, and all will be good, and if not, it’s because of racism by white people – when racism is the (implicit) excuse given for the instability in “arbitrarily delimited” African countries.

        These PC leftist commentators are simply RACISTS. These “experts” or “intellectuals” accept, excuse and justify racism from people of some continent, and they excuse religious intolerance.

        This hypocrisy is not for reasons for economic dependency or need of oil, unlike the politically practical hypocrisy in the ME. This is pure dogma of “inferior races” (or something, we aren’t supposed to say “race” like the left of the last century did). Of course the “intellectuals” don’t explicitly think “inferior race”, they just expect less from these people in term of respect of human rights. This is even more true about (alleged) “Palestinians”.

  9. Wonder how that “religion of peace” meme is working out …

    I’m fairly certain that there are plenty of eunuch politicians still around who’ll keep spouting this nonsense.

      • Mohamed began his life as a prophet of peace and ended his life as a murderous General. That other guy, the one that is at the root of western peace, started and end his life as a proponent of peace.

  10. An ant or two in the house is not a cause for major concern, but when they come in by the tens or hundreds, it becomes no holds barred.

  11. Perhaps they can change the climate conference agenda from an imaginary global warming threat to the very real danger of radical Islamists?

  12. I doubt the target was COP21 or they would have waited. But it is a sad thing for the City of Lights and all of France. Best wishes to my French friends.

    I would think they must have to rethink COP21 or quadruple security. A lot of heads of state must be reconsidering. But then, if in fact, Climate Change IS the biggest threat to world security – how can they not attend?

    Into the valley of death rode the 40,000 …

    http://www.nationalcenter.org/ChargeoftheLightBrigade.html

    It is a sad day.

  13. Anthony and Eric,

    Of course our hearts are breaking for the victims. Terrible things happen when good men fail to act.

    Good men have been bullied by the likes of Paul Ehrlich to shut up in the face of an all out assault on our civilization.

    This has happened in Paris because we..(me included) have failed to be convincing enough to force politicians to set aside the CAGW trivialities in the face of mass murder.

    I fear the end is near and it is my fault for failing those who depend our cooler minds.

    The world is now as Obama and his leftist activists desires it to be. Chaos.

      • I’ve been counting out in the streets for a long time, and so far Greens outnumber Skeptics there 124,347 to 0. That’s not a movement; that’s a wringing of hands.

  14. I’m not sure COP21 would be a target. I’d have thought these terrorists would want to see the western world brought down – which is what the world’s leaders are hoping to achieve with their meeting in Paris. However, so many Heads of State would be tempting, so it would be better to reschedule or – better still – cancel.

    • and I expect this to upset a few
      but PC to hell!
      if they had to take out a few
      then the warmist gabfest as a target would have at least served some good.
      whereas now its mainly young kids who werent harming the worlds smooth running(ok not smooth but normal)
      as opposed to those who will, given power they are pushing for, cause far more deaths n misery over the long term.

  15. The news so far from Paris is appalling. As the attack is still in progress, I fear more casualties are to come. My heart goes out to those caught up in this attack, and for the too many families and friends of those killed.

    The key concern now for France will be to end the attack with as few casualties and as quickly as possible. The conference is trivial in comparison to tonight’s events.

    That said, the cancellation of the conference would be portrayed by the terrorists as a major victory. I do not want them gain even a centime from their actions, let alone the substantial propaganda coup of cancelation. Nor, I expect, would France.

    • What when Obama says the COP21 will be a tribute to those that died

      Obama Spinning his political Grandstanding in with this appalling atrocity

  16. Earlier today Obama declared that Isis was contained.

    While my heart goes out to the French people, I can’t help but remember that for years the French have been amongst the leaders of the movement to make nice with the Islamists under the theory that if we prove to them that we care, they would stop murdering people.
    As always, it didn’t work.

    • if we prove to them that we care, they would stop murdering people.
      =============
      history shows over and over again that your enemy will interpret this as weakness and will be encouraged to attack. peace in our time is a recipe for war.

    • “the French have been amongst the leaders of the movement to make nice with the Islamists”. Totally right,and it dates back to the Algerian rebellion in which the 2 million French settlers were given the choice of “the suitcase or the coffin”. After the French fled, the Algerians discovered, to their astonishment, that the French would continue to allow the Algerians to settle *in France* even though the French had been so harshly dealt to in Algeria. Thus, the origin of the 7 million Muslims now living in France. This was an act of such idiocy, by the French, that their just deserts (so to speak) has been a long time in coming, but that time has come.

      • “the French would continue to allow the Algerians to settle *in France*”

        I believe that was known as not abandoning your friends and allies.

    • you mean the airdropped weapons to…anyone who found the crates recently,
      vetted moderates they said..ha ha ha
      I am waiting for murrikan media to try n spin this to
      its all Putins fault.
      cos Russia actually DID give ISIL ISIS a pounding.
      upset the murderous basta**s :-)
      tsk tsk
      of course french arms sales to many regions where it should be sanctioned…doesnt count I guess?

  17. Western civilization better not only wake up, it better do something called fight back.

    I agree with the poster that noted that the AGW crowd will have the blood of many abbreviated lifetimes on their hands, but this is still much, much worse.

    Prayers for the poor citizens of European countries.

  18. There are much larger issues here, but as for COP21, it’ll be cancelled and good riddance. A very thin silver lining to the cloud.

    • First rule of the of the Climate Skeptics movement is our believe in freedom and democracy and that’s what makes us better than any scumbag terrorist and any bullying Climate Alarmist.

      Best thing is GOP 21 goes ahead and the best tribute the Climate Skeptic movement can pay to those that died in Paris is to go to Paris and keep arguing and keep debating and keep challenging Climate Change Dogma and keep our democracy strong.

    • You’re welcome, Mr. Ben D, and thank you. Wish I could have whispered it in your ear — only way to tell you was to ANNOUNCE it, here. Looks like a very good video. I hope people will watch it after you went to the trouble to find it. Janice :)

      • Watched it, good but will be lost on this dark day Ben D if you read this post it again on a less tragic day it is of value
        michael

      • Glad you appreciated it Mike…yes I am following the shocking Paris event with disgust…it is indeed a dark day, but I fear it is not the last…

      • Gloateus Maximus
        My country is the only one to ever use nuclear weapons. Not test them use them. It shows how far we will go. While I fear when my Nation is angered others should crap their pants in utter terror. We have a overlong fuse but once it is lite.
        Think not? a comment from 1979 “whats the weather report for downtown Tehran tomorrow? 5000 degrees and cloudy.

        Whats tomorrows the weather report for ……..
        michael

      • Wriies Mike the Morlock:

        My country is the only one to ever use nuclear weapons. Not test them use them. It shows how far we will go. While I fear when my Nation is angered others should crap their pants in utter terror. We have a overlong fuse but once it is lit….

        Yep.

        The American way of street and town fighting did not resemble that of other armies. To Americans, flesh and blood and lives have always been more precious than sticks and stones, however assembled. An American commander, faced with taking the Louvre from a defending enemy, unquestionably would have blown it apart or burned it down without hesitation if such would save the life of one of his men. And he would be acting in complete accord with American ideals and ethics in doing so. Already, in the Korean War, American units were proceeding to destroy utterly enemy-held towns and villages rather than engage in the costly business of reducing them block by block with men and bayonets, as did European armies. If bombing and artillery would save lives, even though they destroyed sites of beauty and history, saving lived obviously had preference. And already foreign observers with the United States Army – not ROK’s – were beginning to criticize such tactics.

        Observers from France and Britain, realizing that war was also highly possible in their own part of the world, were disturbed at the thought of a ground defense of their homelands. For the United States Army, according to its history and doctrine, would choose the lives of its men over the continued existence of storied cathedrals. These observers wrote news releases – and soon Frank Munoz [a company-grade infantry officer] could get no artillery on the enemy assembling in plain sight in the villages below him. When he asked Battalion to fire on the village, and burn it down, Battalion replied it could not. Fortunately, such orders in Korea were soon changed.

        — T.R. Fehrenbach, This Kind of War (1963)

      • Mike the Morlock writes:

        oh and from an earlier thread ..do you have any Grey Poupon?

        But of course. However, I’ve always held that Eloi tartare is best served with nước mắm.

        And, of course, fava beans and a nice chianti.

        If he [Franklin Delano Roosevelt] became convinced tomorrow that coming out for cannibalism would get him the votes he needs so sorely, he would begin fattening a missionary in the White House yard come Wednesday.

        — H.L. Mencken, The American Mercury (March 1936)

      • “I’ve always held that Eloi tartare is best served with nước mắm.

        And, of course, fava beans and a nice chianti.”
        ———————–
        Chianti? That fishy smelly nước mắm needs washed down with at least a couple of cans of ’33’.

      • Two words: Monte Cassino.

        Of course the British weren’t shy about blowing up and burning down historic architecture, either. But that was RAF Bomber Command. Monty, the ground forces CO, however approved the destruction of Caen during the invasion of Normandy.

      • Sacred American lives, maybe, but development of the neutron bomb was done with the aim of killing all the enemy and leaving the buildings intact.

      • No, it wasn’t. That’s a Soviet propaganda lie. The KGB came up with the line, “the perfect capitalist weapon, which kills people but leaves property intact”. They had to stop it because it would stop them if they decided to pour through the Fulda Gap.

        It was invented as an anti-tank weapon, to stop massed Soviet armored attacks with a minimum of damage to German towns. It’s not a bomb. It’s an artillery or short-range rocket projectile, ie a tactical, battlefield weapon, never intended to be used on cities, but in the open space between built-up areas.

      • I was stationed at Wildflicken, Germany, back in 1968. It was a NATO nuclear base and our main function was to stop a Soviet tank attack coming through the Fulda Gap. We used to have nuclear alert drills where everyone on the mountain was required to get off the mountain as fast and as far away as possible, in anticipation of a Soviet nuclear attack on the military base.

        There’s a lot of snow in that area! Beautiful country, and I was treated very well by the Germans I met. Sure do hate to think of it turning into a Caliphate.

        TA

      • TA,

        So you missed out on the propaganda war unleashed by the KGB against the “neutron bomb” in the 1970s.

        The low-yield, tactical nuke arty rounds of the ’60s (which you presumably stored) would have worked against invading Red Army Tank Armies, but only at the cost of destroying some of the German villages we were trying to save, especially in your AO.

        Sam Cohen’s ERW rode to the rescue. Naturally the ghoul Andropov had to stop this game-changer, so launched a furious propaganda campaign which the useful idiot of the Euroweenie Left naturally fell for hook, line and sinker.

      • Winter of 1988 the SF team I was serving on did a little training exercise right in that area near Archfeld. The first phase was observation of border without being detected. The second phase was an unassisted escape and evasion exercise. The first phase lasted a week and the E. German border guards with their towers, fences, dogs, and helicopters apparently had no idea we were there until we let them know by openly showing ourselves the day we left.

        After spending a week tactical in the German winter we took a little break before we began the second phase and were taken in by a German family which had a Dairy farm. It was quite an experience. They put us up in their bakery room where once a week they baked their own bread and the Frau brought us a big pot of heated Grog. Much appreciated. During the day we helped the farmer out cleaning stables and move a pile of turnips etc. He invited us to have dinner with his family. At the table sat his son with his wife who had a baby and his father and mother. four generations of the family living there together. I asked him how long his family had worked that farm and his answer was over 500 years.

      • rah wrote:
        November 15, 2015 at 4:41 am

        “Winter of 1988 the SF team I was serving on did a little training exercise right in that area near Archfeld. The first phase was observation of border without being detected. The second phase was an unassisted escape and evasion exercise. The first phase lasted a week and the E. German border guards with their towers, fences, dogs, and helicopters apparently had no idea we were there until we let them know by openly showing ourselves the day we left.”

        That’s funny. In 1968, my small unit of four men was out in the wilderness around Wildflicken, doing our thing, and we had a tent pitched out in the middle of nowhere, with three feet of snow all around.

        One morning, I was the first one out of the tent and I stood there for a moment just looking at all the snow, not suspecting anything, and then not 15 feet away from me, an armed man in a snowsuit stood up, and whistled and another 10 or 12 men stood up out of the snow all around the tent, and then they all marched off through the woods without ever saying a word.

        It turns out they were German commadoes and they were practicing their stealth movements on me and my guys! It was quite a surprise.

        TA

      • Donald Trump’s proposals:

        1. Mandate e-verify

        2. Strengthen interior enforcement

        3. End visa overstays

        4. Stop amnesty

        5. Improve border enforcement

        6. Reduce illegal immigration rewards

        7. Build the wall

        8. Create Illegal Alien Hotline (Not anonymous)

        9. Cut off Federal Funding for Sanctuary Cities

        10. Create “Sheriff Joe Prisons” for Illegal aliens convicted of committing crimes in the U.S., beyond the crime of actually being here illegally

        What’s wrong with that?

      • I posted that in reply to dbstealy and it ended up here. Curious.

        [WordPress has major problems with comment time stamps. ~mod]

      • “What wrong with that?”
        =====================

        It’s not in the Jewish interest?

        * * * * * * * * * * * *
        Those leading an active push for the bill, which will offer a path to citizenship for some of the nation’s 11 million undocumented aliens, include the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, the American Jewish Committee, the Anti-Defamation League, the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, Bend the Arc and the National Council of Jewish Women.
        […]
        California, with 2.6 million undocumented residents, is a front line in the battle for this reform. And a Jewish establishment ever mindful of its need to operate through alliances and coalitions to advance its own interests is not blind to the implications of the issue in a country whose demography is shifting rapidly. In addition to working with Latino groups, the ADL’s Southwest regional office has forged alliances with Asian groups representing undocumented Koreans, Chinese, Filipino and other Asian Pacific immigrants in the Southland.

        “It’s the ethical thing to do,” said HIAS president and CEO Mark Hetfield, of the community’s immigration reform activism. But he quickly added, “It’s in our strategic interest.”
        http://forward.com/news/179296/jews-unite-behind-push-for-immigration-reform/
        * * * * * * * * * * * *

      • The notion that Jews are “united” on anything at all, and have a common view of what is “in the Jewish interest” is laughable to anyone with even minimal observational skills. You have to pretend that a lot of Jewish lobby groups with opposite positions don’t exist. You have to explain why most Jews vote democrat even though it is the Republicans who are most pro-Israel. Is that part of this homogeneous Jewish “strategy” also? You should stick to comments about the science which are usually spot on. When you delve into politics, you immediately start spewing hatred and conspiracy theories, which is unfortunate.

        Too bad because the real tragedy of what has happened in Paris is that it is getting wall to wall coverage by the MSM. Not that it wasn’t a horrific attack or pure hatred and rage aimed at absolutely innocent bystanders. But because he MSM hasn’t devoted a fraction of the coverage to the carnage in Syria where in just four years, two hundred and fifty thousand people have been killed, mostly by the goverment forces thsemelves (not ISIS) and the western world has stood by wringing their hands in sorrow and sending in sporadic bombing runs.

        If the attendees to COPS21, many who have already declared that hey are at war with ISIS were to turn their focus on cleaning up Syria, it would happen in a matter of weeks. ISIS has berhaps 30,000 fighters with AK-47’s and a few toyota pickups with 50 cal mahine guns in the back. Supposedly fighting them are almost the entire allied armies of world war two combined with almost all the asxis countries from the other side of was, and they are armed with tanks, APC’s, satellite surveillance systems, fighter gets, helicopter gun ships, surface to surface missled, droned with surface to groun missiles, not to mention cruise missiles, and a combined standing army of millions of soldiers. If the western world were as committed to climate change as their are to ending the conflict in Syria, they could destroy iSIL and Assad in a period a couple of weeks. But their are mostly located into the creation of the perception that they are doing something when they are doing nearly nothing.

        I hope COP21 ayttendees are as united as the Jews are on imigration reform and as united as they are on Syria when they come to a Climate Change treaty, as it will end up just as ineffective.

      • I suspect it’s the normal imperative of survival for their fellow Israelis from being driven into the sea once they recognize all the hot air in the UN from the gaggle of gangsters won’t save them-
        http://www.sixdaywar.co.uk/independent_israels_pre-emptive_defensive_strike.htm
        But like any of us in free democracies, not a universal agreement on the means to that goal, once the immediate imperative has passed and I suspect French citizens are grappling with that very conundrum now.

      • Most called Ronald Reagan Bonzo’s supporting actor for president-

        https://duckduckgo.com/?q=picture+ronald+reagan+and+bonzo&t=ffnt

        . – and remarked he was a grade B movie star. How could America vote in such a guy? Well, it turned out rather well. US despondency and self esteem after the Vietnam war were given a way to believe in America again and he engineered with his American swagger the fall of the Iron Curtain. I know there will be a gaggle of dissenters to this issue.

        I see the American people on the right are looking to Donald Trump, who, I wouldn’t have given a snowball’s chance in hell. But he is offering control on immigration and even reversal of illegal immigration and the promised wall that the Democrats scuttled. The situation in EU and America isn’t the job of rearranging the deck chairs which is all you will get from the current crop of political wussies. It will take draconian iconoclastic leaders to do the task that really must be done before it’s too late. They will also take care of the UN and the CAGW issue as well and return sanity and a sense that someone cares about their own citizens. Oh there will be whining and tears by the left, but a thick skinned leader is needed to save the crocodiles from themselves, even though they are snapping at your ass while doing so.

        Something major has to be done to fix all this and to return the education system and the entire slate of institutions back to the job of real education, the kind of knowledge that isn’t political science. These leaders will have a lot of flak sent their way by a large, scared academic body of demogogues and cultural marxbrothers, particularly when universities are of necessity shrunk back down to real educational activities. The UN will need to be recommissioned back as a place to talk between belligerents to try to avert wars and all the social programs defunded and shutdown or, alternatively, quietly withdraw from the organization. The UN.t is a mattress full of bedbugs.

      • Reagan was a great US president. He did not, however, use “his American swagger” to ‘engineer’ a result. He was a statesman (probably the last to occupy the White House), he had strong foreign policies and negotiated several critical treaties from a position of strength, and with a great deal of understanding and finesse. Unlike more recent presidents, he rarely resorted to crude bullying and bluff tactics to achieve his results, and he probably did more for world peace than any US president since.

      • dickon66,

        Very well put. No President since has been as classy or as competent.

        The original Presidents weren’t career anything; they just wanted what was best for the country. Makers me wonder why we should even be looking at most of the career politicians. Or any of them, for that matter (although Reagan was a governor; good admin experience).

      • prevent the ‘wrong’ people from attending COP 21?
        ========================
        The French have moved swiftly to add a check box to their immigration form:

        “Are you or have you ever been a terrorist?” YES NO

      • Happily, we no longer need nukes to inflict major punishment. We still need them to deter their use against us, but that’s about it.

        Israel would have to use nukes against deep, hardened targets in Iran, because they don’t have bombers, but we can use conventional penetrating ordnance. (I guess they could try to deliver 30,000 pound bombs with C-130s, but Herky Birds are a lot easier to shoot down than a B-2.)

      • The agreement with Iran apparently allows them the get air defense missiles from Russia to neutralize these weapons. Good Luck

      • S-300s or the Iranian equivalent, which they claim to have made, would disappear on Night One of any bombing campaign. They can’t track stealth aircraft anyway. B-2 is a stealth aircraft.

        Iran is a sitting duck for the USAF and USN.

      • Our military was designed to have all the planes and bombs and weapons and hardware needed to defeat the USSR in an all out conflict.
        Iran is a fly speck by comparison.
        All that really counts is political will.
        In a real war, one where we are attacked first, and the effort is all out and 100%, who ever attacked us will go straight to hell in a big giant hurry.

      • You’re right, Michael (not a) Morlock.
        *****************************************

        How many more Americans would you have watched the Imperial Japanese murder in their death camps before you (O Anti-Nuclear Bomb Kool-Aid Drinker) would have used the atomic bomb? Remember: we had to drop two… .


        (youtube)

      • Thanks to the above video’s short-sighted owner, you must go to youtube to see it. Don’t bother…

        Here’s a longer one:

        (youtube)

      • Even after two nukes dropped on Japan, Japanese militarists wanted to continue the war. They even tried to intercept and destroy the recording made by Hirohito ordering a surrender. The fast-thinking manager of the radio station told the soldiers that the record had been sent to their other location across town. By the time the 20th Century samurai got there and found out they’d been fooled, the record had already been broadcast.

      • Mike

        In NATO war games in the 70’s, administrators were surprised how often US Generals would go to the Nuclear solution when they were losing control of Europe. Now, real war is different … but if you are under attack and losing … and have your back to the sea, who will stop you from pulling the pin?

        There are safeguards of course, but the results of those “games” still make people nervous.

        We live in interesting times.

      • Not as bad as it sounds.

        What they went to were “Enhanced Radiation Warheads”, which Soviet propaganda labeled “Neutron Bombs”. In fact, they are very low yield artillery projectiles designed to be used in between German villages (which are usually more than a km apart) against Soviet armored battalions. The fast neutrons penetrate the thin top armor of tanks and kill their crews (eventually). It’s the ultimate hard penetrator round, better than DU. The Red Army tried to cancel ERWs out with anti-neutron armor, but it wouldn’t have helped much.

        The idea was that Germany had the right to use nukes on its own territory in self-defense. The risk was that the Russians wouldn’t see it that way, and use offensive tactical nukes on Germany’s soil, too.

      • On November 13, 2015 at 11:34 pm, Amatør1 posts what is alleged to be Youtube video of “Israeli / Saudi Arabia Tactical Nuclear Strike on Yemen (Neutron Bomb).

        The events depicted are obviously and entirely the effects of chemical explosives being detonated. Amatør1 is either unfamiliar with explosives or is hoping to sucker people who aren’t.

        أكل لحم الخنزير أو الموت!

      • [snip those comments have been removed – mod]

        What the world needs is a revival of the right to armed self defense for all people. Disarmed people are sitting ducks, and that is not a political comment; it is simply an established fact.

      • I’m all for arming the citizenry, but the West is at war. If we’re going to fight, do it for real.

        If left to fester, ISIS will get nukes. Being nice hasn’t worked.

      • Writes tomdesabla:

        What the world needs is a revival of the right to armed self defense for all people. Disarmed people are sitting ducks, and that is not a political comment; it is simply an established fact.

        More properly, it would be recognition “of the right to armed self defense.” Such a right is unalienable, and cannot be forsworn by the individual human being. It needs no “revival,” merely recognition that it is being violated – infringed – by the agents of government whenever these thugs in public office so much as mention “gun control.”

        One cannot legislate the maniacs off the street … these maniacs can only be shut down by an armed citizenry. Indeed bad things can happen in nations where the citizenry is armed, but not as bad as those which seem to be threatening our disarmed citizenry in this country at this time.

        Lt. Col. Jeff Cooper, USMC

      • Gloateus Maximus November 13, 2015 at 7:31 pm
        I’m a Gunsite grad. My brother was good friends with Jeff.

        Enlighten ..Please.
        My Dad was a crew chief at Sikorsky I also worked there. (along with many other defense Co.s)
        Uncle to
        My dad serviced the presidential Helio. until the early 1980s Ithink.
        Of course he had a clearance, I found later that so did I
        What a laugh I was 4F to enlist but I was ok to make parts for the Presidents Helio.
        Then and NOW… NOT ON MY WATCH!
        michael

      • Dunno if my brother would want me to use his name. He’s an aviation author in AZ who also writes on guns and was a high level IPSC and SASS competitor.

        Don’t think he ever accompanied Jeff on safari, but went to the same places. Promoted the Scout Rifle concept from the git-go. Our dad was a Marine aviator in the Big One. Dunno how many .45s we went through, but both my brothers loaded countless rounds on Dillon presses. When he worked for Champlin Aviation Museum (aircraft collection sold to Seattle; gun collection broken up), the AZ brother also shot Dillon’s Quad Browning .50s and his aircraft-mounted miniguns.

      • Whilst I understand that carrying a gun might make you feel safer, and if you carry a gun you might consider that you have a degree over any situation,, but unfortunately, the fact is that violence only begets violence, and the more weapons that are available to the public, the more killings that take place.

        How many have died in schools and in college campuses these past 12 months in the US? We don’t have that problem in Europe, especially not in the UK where gun control is at its tightest.

        See The Washington Post article on gun ownership and gun killings per capital. It states:

        “The United States has the highest gun ownership rate in the world and the highest per capita rate of firearm-related murders of all developed countries.”

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/gun-homicides-ownership/table/

        Of course there are other countries far more violent than the US, particularly some in South America, and lawlessness in and around Mexico City, but there is no doubt that gun ownership net overall poses a greater risk to the population.

      • Richard: you owe it to yourself to actually read the study..it omitted states with very lenient gun control laws, which nonetheless had very low rates of violent crimes because the authors felt that since there was so little crime in those states, that the crime rate statistics were “unreliable”
        really, read some John Lott.
        CCW rates are negatively correlated with violent crime…that is, the greater proportion of civilians who have CCWs, the lower the rate of violent crime.
        facts, inconvenient sometimes.

      • davideisenstadt remonstrates

        …actually read the study..it omitted states with very lenient gun control laws, which nonetheless had very low rates of violent crimes because the authors felt that since there was so little crime in those states, that the crime rate statistics were “unreliable”
        really, read some John Lott.
        CCW rates are negatively correlated with violent crime…that is, the greater proportion of civilians who have CCWs, the lower the rate of violent crime.

        The work of John Lott to which you might principally direct your correspondent is his More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws (1998, 2000, 2010), though his The Bias Against Guns: Why Almost Everything You’ve Heard about Gun Control Is Wrong (2003) is assuredly worthwhile as well. In the former title, Lott drew upon F.B.I. crime data – the single most unimpeachable nationwide dataset on the subject, which can be parsed by state, county, and city – to run statistical analyses of crime data in order to develop a measure of the effects of eleven different types of “gun control” laws on crime rates in those jurisdictions.

        Another interesting title to consider is Stephen P. Hallbrook’s That Every Man Be Armed: The Evolution of a Constitutional Right (1984, 1994, 2000) which “…traces the Second Amendment’s origins from ancient Greece and Rome to 18th century France and England through the American Revolution, ratification of the Constitution and adoption of the Bill of Rights” in order to support Halbrook’s premise …the right to bear arms is in indispensable form of individual protection against both violent crime and government infringement of human liberties.”

        In the late 1960s, violent crime in America had exploded to a point where one individual in three was pretty much guaranteed to be raped, mugged, or otherwise harmed by criminals, who ran no risk, because self-defense was socially out of style, and even illegal in some places. This gave rise to movies — which is how our culture works out its problems — like _Death Wish_ and _Dirty Harry_ in which ordinary people, failed by the authorities, took their own protection into their hands. In real life, they disregarded the “advice” of those authorities and took martial arts lessons, and bought guns.

        At that time, Orlando, Florida was experiencing a sort of rape epidemic. Some genuine genius in the city government abandoned all of the conventional non-working counter-measures such things tend to provoke, and suggested that women show up for free, police-conducted shooting lessons in the park. They expected 400. They got 4000. When news of this got to the national level, the epidemic ceased. After years of stupid political debate, Florida made it microscopically easier to carry a gun legally, and violent crime declined in double digits.

        This trend has continued, and the downtrend in crime has become a national phenomenon. A growing handful of states have even followed Vermont’s example, and eliminated all restrictions on carrying guns. Over the 45-year duration of this social revolution, violent crime in America has fallen 40 percent. The authorities and their media whores hate this, because it means there is no real need for them in society. Most violent crime survives in the inner-city-centers controlled by leftists.

        — L. Neil Smith, “Paris: The High Price of Willful Ignorance” (15 November 2015)

      • “How many have died in schools and in college campuses these past 12 months in the US? We don’t have that problem in Europe, especially not in the UK where gun control is at its tightest.”

        But there’s a trade-off in the increase in other crimes that occur in the UK because of the disarmed population. Home invasions, which often include violence against residents, are thrice as common in the UK, for instance.

        “The United States has the highest gun ownership rate in the world and the highest per capita rate of firearm-related murders of all developed countries.”

        I’ve read a claim (possibly false) that killings in the UK (and elsewhere in Europe??) are not counted as “murders” unless there’s a conviction.

      • BTW, cremation is not permissible in Islam.

        Some US Marines got in trouble when I was in Afghanistan for burning the bodies of dead Taliban, filmed by an Australian journalist of my acquaintance.

        It was summer. Afghanistan is hot. They couldn’t take the bodies into town. Burying them would have exposed the Marines to hostile fire.

  19. The pacifist French have had two or three wake up calls by the Jihadist Muslims and apparently have blown them off mostly. Suppose they’ll get the message this time?

    The United States government is doing the same thing unfortunately and not just by the Obama admin either though they are even more incompetent have any previous admin.

    Will US congress wake up before this same horrific thing happens here?????/

    If not we’ll have this here I think in less than two years.

    • This could mean more boots on the ground at least in Iraq if not Syria, beyond the forces already returning to the region. Showing some backbone might even help his poll numbers, not that he cares much, only in so far as Hillary gets in to defend Obamacare. I won’t hold my breath waiting for him to admit that it was a mistake to let lose all our prisoners in Iraq and not to get a Status of Forces Agreement to keep there the 30,000 US troops recommended by McCain (one of my least favorite politicians, but right on that score), after so much blood and treasure spilt there.

      • Maybe boots on the ground in Europe! They’ve already been there for a couple of decades – stepping up in the ME will do nothing but maybe incite more from those already within the borders. I suspect there will be more in UK and Germany in particular – war hardened young men just arrived there.

      • Gary,

        You raise a good point about the best strategy to follow in the culture clash. I don’t call it a war of civilizations because fundamentalist Islam isn’t civilized. Mecca and Medina were I grant you cities in the 7th century, but their denizens weren’t civilized in the 21st century sense of the term.

        IMO expelling Muslims from Europe isn’t an option, although the Europeans do need better Humint in Islamic communities there and more cooperation with their leaders.

        Many of my friends and comrades disagree, but IMO the only way to save Western Civilization is to carry the war, declared by our enemies, into their own homeland. Our victory there will be better for all the people of that sadly benighted region as well as for the West and the world in general.

        What does “victory” mean? Obviously, it can’t be complete, which would require all Muslims to convert to Christianity or agnosticism and adopt the standards of civil society in the West. Given the actual situation on the ground in Iraq and Syria, a peaceful settlement, which might just mean a time out between rounds of senseless sectarian violence, would be Russian and Iranian client Assad with a rump Syria in the west of the country (ideally no more than the Alawite coastal homeland), the Damascus-Homs-Aleppo interior with a Sunni regime under Turkish suzerainty, eastern Syria, ie the desert and Euphrates Valley, attached to Anbar and Sunni Arab majority parts of other Iraqi provinces, a Kurdish autonomous region in both Iraq and Syria (which Turkey might grudgingly swallow in return for the reduction in Alawite control), and southern Iraq as a Shi’a Arab puppet state of Iran. This would be an interim settlement, but could stop the slaughter and stem the refugee flood.

        Although of course the refugees are often more economic than political, fleeing poverty rather than war.

  20. Does anyone doubt that if these people got hold of a nuke, they would use it ?
    Paris, London, Bonn , New York

    and Obama thinks that global warming is a bigger threat ?
    oh my.

  21. I have walked the streets of Paris.
    I like the french,Paris. I mourn, later will come the fury
    “Delenda est Carthago”
    michael

  22. Official report now confirms 140 dead.

    The AGW conference should be cancelled and the west should wake up to the growing clash of civilisations.

  23. NBC News coverage of this horror briefly goes over to Sam Champion who does a little spiel for Gores 24 hours of reality before mentioning how chaotic is the scene around the Eiffel Tower …

    and when COP 21 kicks off, this whole thing’ll all get rehashed … again.

  24. Many voices have been crying in the wilderness, oft denigrated, being called racists, islamaphobes and worse.

    Those touchy feely fools defending those that wish to harm us should hang their heads in shame, Paris is a wake up call, maybe a start to a real fight back, against an evil, a cancer we have allowed through stupidity to grow in our home lands.

    • Since the president was in the close vicinity himself, I’m sure he’s rethinking the idea too.

      Maybe mass deportations are due. Something has to give; this so soon after the newspaper massacre in Paris should (I hope) make someone stand up and say “enough, this is not going to happen again”.

  25. Unfortunately this murderous mess, is neither unthinkable or unpredictable.
    These poor people are victims of their own leadership.

    After the last bunch of maniacs were stopped, we surrendered the right to protect our laws and property to government officials, who now prosecute any citizen who has to defend their own lives.
    These officials the police and the minions of the just-us department, have long proven that they cannot protect you, they can at best clean up the mess and prosecute the survivors.
    As all canadians know, when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.

    Now we are faced with fanatics again, their ideology shapes their actions.
    They do not fear prosecution, they embrace death.
    Cops, military, cannot defend the citizen from this kind of attacker.
    They are only revealed when they start to kill.
    Either we become prisoners in our homes, as the Parisians are tonight.
    Or we take back the right to defend our lives and property.
    Open carry by all citizens is the only defence.

    The alternative is the old methods, of controlled populations, where the citizen may not go armed, travel is restricted and foreigners are excluded.
    The fellow countrymen of any identified hostile are all rounded up and deported.
    The state claims to protect and serve , the citizens lose all rights.
    And no one is any safer.

    • Hitler disarmed German Jews first and then the rest of the German people and then look what happened! No chance that the German people could slip arms to the Jewish people.

      Human slaughter is not new to Europe. This is what the U.S. founders knew to be true.

      Indeed, heartbreaking news from France.

      • This is what the U.S. founders knew to be true.
        ================
        The American Revolution, indeed the USA itself would not exist had the colonists been prohibited by the government from owning weapons. The problem is that terrorists have no problem securing weapons.

        Imagine if the 100 hostages in Paris were all carrying weapons. How many of them would still be alive today? Instead of being systematically shot, there would have been 100 people shooting at 4 terrorists. I expect many dead hostages would have rather gone down fighting.

        The right to self-defense is a human right that is denied by western governments, at great risk to its citizens.

  26. Can this be? In the face of this tragedy will COP21 be cancelled?

    Certainly it is at the bottom of the news cycle.

  27. A photographer friend showing in Paris right now got out just as this was kicking off and is safely home. He posted on FB and sounds very shaken. Amongst what horrors we do live!

    And I’m another who has been warning for decades (three at least) of the folly of admitting so many Muslims to Western countries: anyone with an understanding of the creed must have seen it would always go this way. Islam demands jihad of its adherents – that is a fact, however politicians and liberals like to fudge it.

    I don’t believe this attack is aimed at COP21: if it had been they would have waited. Security is going to be increased tenfold now if the event goes ahead.

  28. Meanwhile, folks across college campuses, Washington DC, and the mainstream media are fretting about micro-aggression’s and CO2.

    Rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic seems highly rational in comparison.

  29. they told us they would move with the Syrian refugees and they did they told us they would do what they did
    100k refugee’s and how many bombers .. who’s next ? the world has grown to PC

  30. I’ve spent the last two hours watching this on the TV news.
    We screwed up here in Europe.
    But, what I notice in the delicate attempts by TV news presenters to discuss the wider implications of this crisis – is that they can not say anything intelligent about the greater issues that this represents.
    When all of your intelligent thoughts are censored through politically correctness – then all that remains is stupidity.
    As with “climate change” so with “multiculturalism”.
    Sadly, we have placed a powerful censorship on reason and intelligence and self-interest.
    Reasonable people who speak out are immediately smeared, “discredited”, “debunked”, or sued by Michael Mann. Or slapped with a fatwa.
    Mark Steyn is aiming for all five.
    Of course, it is too late for Europe.
    The enemy is within the gates.
    And apparently what the enemy hates more than anything in the world is fun.
    Fun and rock and roll. My heart bleeds for these amazing talented musicians and their fans.
    Current status is – very sad news and getting worse.

    • Steyn’s take on all this was in “America Alone: The End of the World As We Know It” from 2008:
      “Someday soon, you might wake up to the call to prayer from a muezzin. Europeans already are. And liberals will still tell you that “diversity is our strength”–while Talibanic enforcers cruise Greenwich Village burning books and barber shops, the Supreme Court decides sharia law doesn’t violate the “separation of church and state,”
      http://www.amazon.com/America-Alone-The-World-Know/dp/1596985275

  31. 13 Nov: The Hill: Timothy Cama: Gore suspends Paris climate concert during attacks
    The United Nations’ Framework Convention on Climate Change, the international agency planning the climate pact negotiations, did not immediately respond to a request for comment on how the terrorist attacks will change plans for the meeting, if at all.
    Gore’s event, dubbed 24 Hours of Reality, started hours before the attacks and was planned to feature artists including Duran Duran, Florence + The Machine, Mumford and Sons and Neil Young.
    http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/260144-gore-suspends-paris-climate-concert-during-attacks

    13 Nov: The Wrap: Paris Attacks: Al Gore Cancels Eiffel Tower Climate Telethon After 5 Hours
    Former Vice President Al Gore pulled the plug on a live benefit for climate change some five hours into a 24-hour streaming show from the foot of the Eiffel Tower on Friday evening.
    “Out of solidarity with the French people and the City of Paris, we have decided to suspend our broadcast of 24 Hours of Reality and Live Earth.”…
    Musicians Elton John and Bon Jovi were slated to play at the event, which did see a performance from Duran Duran, according to a Gore tweet…
    http://www.thewrap.com/paris-attacks-al-gore-cancels-24-hour-eiffel-tower-climate-telethon-out-of-solidarity/

    • That wasn’t solidarity. The ratings had tanked and they pulled the plug on the event rather than have it look like a flop.

      • My thoughts are that he didn’t want to lose the 20 people who might have been in his audience. No way he cares a damn about the victims in France or their families.

    • So, the real target wasn’t COP21. It was Al Gores telethon. The Gore Effect has now driven people to terrorism.

      Give us liberty or give us death. Anything but Gore.

  32. I’ve written this short and helpful instruction guide for politicians, on how to wreck a perfectly good country.
    Round one (terror):
    1. Frighten the gullible public into believing that their personal safety is endangered by evil plotting terrorists.
    2. Discover that in actual reality no such threat exists.
    3. Manufacture a genuine terrorist threat in order to justify the original warning by:
    — 3 a. Encouraging the immigration of ethnic minorities into your own country.
    — 3 b. Using the now existing public fear of terrorists to justify invading the home territories of one of the ethnic minorities.
    — 3 c. Utterly degrading and humiliating their relatives and former countrymen by subjecting them to absolute violent horror and prolonged injustice.
    4. BINGO.
    5. You now have a genuinely furious group of people living within your own borders who are hell-bent on attacking the native civilian population.
    6. Congratulations, you have completed round one of trashing a perfectly good country. You can now move on to round two (fascism and kleptocracy).

    Round two (the fascism and kleptocracy bit):
    1. You can now restrict civil liberties, ban anything and everything, snoop on the private affairs of your citizens, and start new wars as and when you feel like it.
    2. Whilst everyone is distracted, raid the state coffers and give billions of pounds to all your banker friends. The public will be so confused by this point, that they probably won’t notice what is going on right in front of their eyes.

    Well done, you have just utterly shredded a once proud nation of people. Now leave office and take your wads of cash and go and live somewhere nice and sunny, that hasn’t yet been sabotaged by tossers like yourself!!
    Become a peace envoy and consultant to the Saudis or something like that. Ideally.

    • I just want to point out that the premise of “indefatigablefrog” is total bullshit — the Muslims are not motivated by anything that the “infidel” has said or done, rather, the motivation is laid out by their holy book the Koran which baldy exhorts them to enslave or kill the infidel. The first USA war was against the Muslim Barbary pirates in the 1790’s because the pirates were attacking American ships and enslaving the crews. Upon inquiring why the pirates were doing this, Madison was told that they were acting upon the precepts of the Koran which instructed them to enslave the infidel. So the USA launched its first post-revolutionary war. Nothing has changed since then, and the Muslims are still attacking based on what is written in the Koran. So pay no attention to those who claim that Western actions have anything to do with Muslim action — it doesn’t. Islam stands out in the world as the only religion of evil.

      • New Zealand Willy, you are correct. All Mr. Frog need do is to read it (the Koran) and world history to know.

      • We have had muslims living in large numbers in the UK for many decades.
        Perhaps you would like to explain why such Koran reading muslims were not formerly responsible for any acts of terror whatsoever. Not prior to 2003.
        I am perfectly aware of the role that “precepts of the Koran” have played.
        But you seem to be oblivious to all other contributing factors.
        Sometimes a situation has more than ONE contributing factor.
        In my view your claim that western actions have NOTHING to do with Muslim action – is total bullshit.
        Well done for falling in love with your own massive over-simplification and one dimensional analysis.

      • In my view your claim that western actions have NOTHING to do with Muslim action – is total bullshit.
        ================
        I agree with you. We are Infidels. Our existence is upsetting to Fundamentalists. They are duty bound to convert us to Islam or send us to God for judgement.

        The Western response has of course been a disaster. Shiite and Sunni conflict has kept Islam in check for 1000 years. Western involvement is like Ronald Reagan’s spacemen speech. By providing a common enemy, the West has united Islam in a war to defeat the common enemy.

      • England has been having trouble with Muslims within it’s borders for decades. The problem is that the PC media either ignore it or don’t identify the source of the problems.
        Muslims have been using the Koran as an excuse to kill infidels since Islam was invented by the schizophrenic child molester 1400 years ago.

      • Ferd Berple (of the many wise and insightful comments),

        You mistake a catalyst for the underlying causation of Muslim violence. But for Islam, there would be no Jihad. The actions of Western nations may have speeded up the Islamofascist program, but it was inevitable.

        You are, here, perhaps, a victim of Bob Tisdale’s “illusion of control” mentality. Victims who blame themselves for not taking better preventive measures do so because they would rather see themselves as careless or stupid than as victims of what they could not control.

        Your snarling tone in the use of the term “B-s” indicates that, on this issue, for some reason, your emotions are hindering your usually sharp intellect. Perhaps, there is a particular Western military or other type of operation that enraged (es) you and your hate is so strong you can’t think straight about Islam… .

        With admiration for your commenting in general (and looking forward to more on non-Islam topics),

        Janice

      • A very grown up, insightful and sophisticated argument from you then. Well done!! You win a big prize and a gold star. See my comment above.

      • Indefat: You had a different type of immigration to start with: those who wanted to escape from medieval totalitarianism to secular societies, to freedom, education, safety and economic potential. I know of many Iranian examples who were well educated, westernophile, modern, productive people. Iranians have historically been a sophisticated, cultured people – they gave pretty good measure in their wars with Greece.

        The latter hordes are not interested in EU or its culture, but are seeking a world Caliphate. They’ve always hated you and consider your culture decadent an immoral. You are in a pickle in EU. It’s time for you and your fellows to wake up from this mea culpa political correctness that keeps your head in the sand and keeps you forgiving and welcoming. When push comes to shove, you have to forget what caused it; write it off and begin corrective measures to save your selves. They blew up athousand year old 100m stature of Buddha and recently blew up Palmyra in Syria. What do you think they will do with Christopher Wren’s architecture, the monuments, the art, the libraries, the museums, Christ’s College, Oxford….when they are the largest constituency in the land. Will you still be blaming yourself? And all the moderates won’t take long to become politically correct for the new dynasties.

    • A couple of big problems with your premise.

      1) Muslims have always been terrorists, as long as their have been Muslims.
      2) Muslims are a threat to your personal safety.
      3) If you think that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are what caused the Muslims to want to kill infidels, you have never talked to any Muslims or read their holy book.
      4) While the defeat may have been humiliating for some, most were glad that the Taliban and Saddam were gone.
      5) There was nothing humiliating about the occupation.

      • We’re going to have to agree to differ.
        Here in the UK, we were not subject to any Islamic terrorism.
        When I grew up we had terrorist attacks regularly – by the IRA.
        Our leftist Government encouraged mass-immigration of Muslims into the UK.
        Then our leftist Government took us to war with Saddam Hussein and the Taliban.
        The so-called war on terror.
        Back in 1997 when the UK left came to power none of these problems existed for the UK.
        And now we are facing catastrophe.
        Concerning humiliation – Abu Graib?
        So we see things completely differently.

    • Indefat.: You only need one on your list: let them come in droves into your country. These people already didn’t like you as a matter of culture.

      • You’re right Gary.
        Some additional clarity was clearly missing from my satire – for the benefit of our American friends here especially.
        I guess that I should have explicitly stated that we might choose a target ethnic group with which we already have a long history of problematic and violent interactions.
        Just to make it plain that this nuance of history has not escaped my attention!!!
        Whatever course we took here in the EU, we certainly managed to optimize the level of f**k-up achieved at zero benefit to ourselves. Who ordered the social catastrophe?!!

  33. Update 6 … nah, don’t cancel … the worker bees are all there already … let COP 21 play out, since it’s already being announced that no binding treaty will come out of it anyway.

      • spot on. the treaty will be used as a club, backed by the world bank and others to justify what would otherwise be unthinkable. after all, the governments all signed up voluntarily. so what excuse do they have for not following though with their promises?

  34. I don’t agree with the climate change agenda one iota, however the conference should go ahead as planned. Otherwise it is appeasement and cowering to terrorism by changing how we go about our business.

    If the conference is cancelled I would view it more of an excuse rather than acknowledge the fact that the climate change dogma is highly flawed.

  35. It might be aimed at COP21, or at least making a relevant point about the world’s mistreatment of the peace-loving arab world.

    When the main industry sustaining arab economies was closed down, at least they had some hope of moving to the fossil fuel industry. Now with both slavery and fossil fuels no longer respectable, what is an arab to do for a living in the future?

  36. Terrorists. Be they environmental fanatics or Islamic fanatics should not be negotiated with and it appears, in the news reports I’ve seen, that the French authorities in Paris did not.

    John

    • They didn’t negotiate because the hostages and the suicide bombers were all dead before the police could move.

  37. reminder:

    4 Nov: Guardian: Adam Vaughan: Al Gore’s plan for huge global climate concerts downgraded to Paris webcast
    Second round of Live Earth music concerts promised by former US vice-president and Pharrell Williams were due to be broadcasted to billions around the world
    In January, the duo and producer Kevin Wall used the World Economic Forum in Davos to announce a global event that would reach 2 billion people across 193 television networks, with promotional materials promising 100 artists in seven shows.
    In May organisers delayed the event from a scheduled date of 18 June and said a free, public concert would be held in Paris in the autumn instead.
    But this week organisers told the Guardian that Live Earth had been reduced to an event on the 13 and 14 November at the Champ de Mars in Paris that will be ***closed to the public and streamed online instead…
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/nov/04/al-gores-plan-for-huge-global-climate-concerts-downgraded-to-paris-webcast

      • Yeah, that will do it. Your friend is a nut. And why exempt Turkey? Erdogan is heading in the same direction as the rest of the region? And why exempt the ‘stans? Most of them are as oppressive as the regimes are pretty bad. Do we really want to support Karimov?

      • Karimov is preferable to an Islamic regime. Overthrowing authoritarian dictators in Islamic countries doesn’t have a good track record.

        Erdogan is walking a tight rope. He’s not an Islamist, but has to play one on TV. Unfortunately, what he won’t do is what would help stabilize the region the most, namely, let SE Turkey join Iraqi and Syrian Kurdistan and give Alawite majority Hatay back to Syria. The French gave it away in hopes of keeping Turkey out of the war looming in 1938.

        The Turks lose nothing but imperial pride by setting their part of Kurdistan free. The hydropower can be shared. I hoped that the new oil pipeline from Iraqi Kurdistan would soften Erdogan up, and for a while, before ISIS took Mosul, it did. Now he has survived the elections, but he still needs the US to get rid of Assad. His Benghazi deal for LIbyan arms for the Free Syrian Army didn’t go as planned, nor did US trainers for the FSA. Now he has the Russians to contend with, so he’s never needed NATO more.

        The ‘Stans are exempt because Russia considers them in its sphere of influence, and they are allegedly secular states, rather than Islamic, like Pakistan. Also, if we bomb Islamabad, we’d need the ‘Stans to support ops in Afghanistan. Plus, I like Manas, Kyrgyzstan, its Russian 9% beer and blonde barberesses.

      • Rattus Norvegicus
        First how many forms of Catholics are there, and which acknowledge the Pope as their religion’s leader.(No NOT Protestants) (most of Islams dealings with Christianity pre-date the reformation)
        Next try that with Islam. Oh my. are you in for a shock.

  38. Part of me thinks it should be cancelled as a mark of respect for the dead. However, a larger part of me hopes it goes ahead so the general public can see just how ridiculous climate alarmists look fretting about a fraction of a degree temperature rise long after we’re all dead- while the real and growing threat of Islamic extremism goes unaddressed.

    • COP21 will spin the terrorist attacks into an excuse for climate action.

      “The tragic events of last month show we have to act now or things will get worse”.

      5 will get you fifty that Obama will say something to that effect over the next month.

  39. The Muzzies need to be very careful as the Europeans are very, very good at killing and do it at the industrial level. It has been a while since it was last done. Once it starts, there won’t be many of the followers of Mohammad left on the Continent or in neighboring countries afterwards. In sadness, cheers –

      • HAHAHAHAAAA he’ll launch a few extra air strikes against ISIL while totally ignoring the Muslims already in France. From what others have said, the French media are being very careful to avoid mentioning “Islam” and “Muslims”. The French public will get the picture very well! That includes the usefulness of the “4th estate”.

      • France will begin a war without mercy.
        ==============
        translation: French citizens will be arrested and locked up without mercy to show the government is serious.

    • I saw several unconfirmed reports last night that a number of refugee camps across Europe had been attacked.

    • There is zero chance, IMO, that the COP21 will go on as planned.
      France is in a state of emergency…basically martial law.
      Gunman are still at large and a manhunt is under way.
      And in the coming days, France will declare and go to war with ISIS…a real war…not a few bombs here and there.

  40. My wife and I put on the Marsellaise (the great Berlioz version) as a tribute and a reminder that France will survive this and will prevail.

    • I like Mireille Mathieu’s rendition. She performed a capela at Sarkozy’s victory rally. He might not have been able to stop this attack after the Charlie Hebdo outrage, but could not have done worse than Hollande.

    • “Play the Marsellaise” — from movie “Casablanca”

      (youtube)

      The French, triumphed over the Naz1s. With a strong “coalition of the willing,” she will triumph over Islam.

      How fitting that the song was being sung in what is now a spider’s den of Islamists…. they, too, will fall…. IF we in the free world elect leaders firmly committed to liberty.

      {Please note: it is not the Germans of today who are represented in that movie.}

      • And, “La Marseillaise” — Vive la France!

        Aux armes, Citoyens!

        And to you, my beloved sister and brother Americans….

        NEVER stop defending this:

        “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

        2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America

      • “The French, triumphed over the Naz1s.” For pity’s sake, the French *LOST* the war. What part of “LOSE” do you not understand?!?!? I know that “the victors write the histories”, but even the victors have been unable to expunge the simple historical fact that the Germans wiped ass with the French in 1940. Would you kindly stick to the facts.

      • Willy,

        True. Even the Free French who sided with the Allies were mainly colonial troops with French officers. Most of the grunts were Muslim. The Moroccan Goumiers were infamous for raping Italian women and priests.

      • Here’s a test for the dysfunctional last couple of generations: Who did the Americans first fight in the WWII European theater in 1942? Hint: it was a four-month action to enable the American landing in North Africa, against a consistently shooting resisting enemy. Answer: the French.

      • Dear NZ Willy and Gloat,

        Thank you, so much, for telling me the WWII history you figure I do not know. Yes, Paris fell to the Germans… as did much of Europe. The Allies, of which France remained one, won. France (true France, not Vichy France) remained part of the WWII version of the coalition of the willing. Their side won.

        In your eagerness to find fault with my writing, I think you overlooked my point.

        Q: Is now really the time to be denigrating France for her failures in WWII?

        Let’s be friends again — okay, guys? You, if you would be so kind, stop treating me like an ignorant mental lightweight and I, for my part, will treat you like generous-spirited, intelligent, people I have no doubt (from your other writing) that you are.

        Pax?

        Hope so.

        Janice

      • Janice Moore , NZ Willy ,
        One of the terms of the surrender document the French had to sign, was that they defend their colonies.
        If they did not the rest of France would be occupied.
        At the time the French did not know who would win. The Japanese were still holding their own in the pacific and Germany was still beating the crap out of most of the Red counter offenses.French officers in the colonies were trying to save what little independence France still had. I would never wish anyone to be in their shoes What bitter cups to drink from.
        When the Germans finally occupied the rest of France the excuse they used was that the french did not up hold their treaty obligations to defend their colonies.
        As for the Germans wiping the floor with the French? Well in the first years of the war who didn’t they beat the snot out of? Russia survived because of sheer distances and numbers. The Brits? Dunkirk anyone.
        And as for USA Kasserine Pass Rommel’s last victory? By the way When the Italians joined in at the end of 1940 invasion of France, french reservists ran them back across the border.
        michael

      • Mike,

        True, the Germans in 1939-41 beat everybody, however the BEF was in an untenable position after the French right was turned. The Force was too small to fight the Wehrmacht on its own.

        Juin’s “Little Army of Italy” (FEC) was a good French formation in 1944, but it consisted mostly of North African troops. His good advice at Cassino was ignored by the British and Americans.

  41. What many people don’t understand is that Paris is home to many, many unemployed Muslims and other cultures who live in ghettos on the north side of Paris with very high unemployment. These people became French citizens as a result of past French policy or practice of acquiring full or partial political control over another country, occupying it with settlers, and exploiting it economically the state apparatus that was dominant under colonialism. This happened in Algeria, Morocco, Lebanon, etc. during many past decades when France basically ran those countries. Same with Vietnam before we got involved under Kennedy and France pulled out.

    The police typically won’t even go into those areas out of fear for regular police patrols.

    It is not difficult to recruit young, unemployed pissed off young people to become terrorists.

  42. Pretty tasteless. You should probably take this down. It has far more to do with French history and treatment of its North African immigrant population dating from colonial days (and recent racist legislation) than it does with COP21.

    • The terrorists were reported to say it was for “Syria”. The beefs of young adult French Muslim males might increase the supply of recruits, but jihad is their declared motivation. Assuming of course that all the terrorists were in fact French, which is not yet known.

      • Guess what, the Syrian refugees are fleeing exactly this sort of shit. Learn what the hell is going on and why. Historical resentments last a long time. They even last a long time in the United States, as some have only recently learned.

      • I’d be surprised if you have learned more about what is going on in Syria and Iraq than I have.

        Among the Syrian refugees are those responsible for the shit that is going on there. Why is that hard to grasp? Look at their barbaric behavior toward the Hungarian aid workers trying to feed and water the savages. Thank God that the kids’ moms let them take the Red Cross food and water kicked away by the men.

        If you want Arab Muslim refugees in Europe, then by all means invite them into your home to rape your wife and daughter.

        If you think that the terrorists are justified in slaughtering French civilians, because of what is going on in Syria, then we have nothing to discuss.

      • have to think “for syria” in this case..meansto/ for those that have been culling isis isil IN syria recently..didnt think france had been doing much useful there?
        bit too hard to try this stunt in Russia mayhap?

      • because of what is going on in Syria
        ===============
        Blame the victim is a very common PC rationalization people use for problems.

        For example. 911 – Americans brought in on themselves. Benghazi – YouTube posting upset Muslims. Paris – caused by the west bombing IS in Syria.

        Not just politicians. Ulcers – caused by stress (patient is the cause). Rape – she was asking for it (provocative dress)

        But of course the reason the problems cannot be solved is because of the rationalization. The solution requires that you shift the blame from the victim to the perpetrator. Something that is prevented under the Politically Correct mandate.

      • Ah yes, you even know where I live. Should I tell the cops here about your implied threat? It is so nice that Tony has such upright citizens as you patrolling his boards.

      • DB,

        More on Muslim rapists in the UK and, yes, Norway:

        Definitely, welcome millions more with open arms!

      • Rattus Norvegicus you are welcome to come over where I live. The first Syrian Refugees to arrive in the United States are living near my home. They were set up here by the Islamic Center of Claremont.

      • More on Muslim rapists in the UK and, yes, Norway:
        =============
        as the interview identified, the PC Press is blaming the victims. The “crime” the women committed? They aren’t wearing the Muslim headscarf.

        We have the same problem here in Canada. Been going on for 40 years. Rape gangs. Typically 4 brown men against 1 white girl. 2 hold her legs, 1 her arms. They take turns, front and back. Threats are made if the crime is ever reported. They take the girl’s ID as security. We know who you are, and can come back any time. The girls live in fear. Wait until it happens to one of your loved ones.

        The young girls absolutely know what is going on. But no one speaks out because it is racist. So the rapes continue with impunity.

      • Richard G.: and it’s continuing:
        “The first transport of refugees arrived in New Orleans recently and will be resettled in Louisiana and 180 other American communities.
        The 10,000 Syrian refugees are first flown to the United States, according to the French news wire Agence France-Presse, with the State Department paying the International Organization for Migration (IOM) for the airfare.”
        Don’t recall hearing much about this on MSM.
        http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/11/13/ironic-timing-today-first-load-of-10000-syrian-refugees-has-arrived-in-new-orleans-all-single-males-18-30-years-old/

      • 10,000 Syrian refugees are first flown to the United States
        It’s going to be the 18- to 45-year-old male for the most part
        =================
        WTF???

        Whatever happened to women and children first? How is it that the “refugees” are combat age males? Just when you think the government can make a bigger mistake to top the last big mistake.

        THERE IS NO WAY ANY COUNTRY SHOULD BE ACCEPTING COMBAT AGE MALES AS REFUGEES IN PREFERENCE TO WOMEN AND CHILDREN.

      • Hmmm seeding “these refuges to Louisiana? Good luck trying that crap there.

        The folks in the deep south are not to be messed with.
        michael

    • Norway rat is convinced that the attacks of today are the result of French abuse of people from former colonies that immigrated for some reason to France over the last many years. The comment implies a justification and includes an explicit assertion that legislation recently enacted somehow warrants mass murder of citizens.
      Apparently, this apologist for 7th. century bigotry cannot conceive of the impetus for this islamist blood-lust coming from the manifesto of the faith.
      On other occasions, commenters like rattus will note that most of the victims of militant Islam are indeed Muslims but, somehow, that is also the fault of the 19th, century European colonialists. For a fellow with a Latin moniker he seems remarkably oblivious to the string of conflict and injustice throughout history in every corner of the world.
      Are French assassins constantly striving to deliver retribution on their neighbours for the outrage that was WW2?

      • Brown rats do carry a lot of diseases, but aren’t a major reservoir of bubonic plague.

        The Black Death did however arrive in Europe with black rats and their fleas on merchant ships returning the Islamic world.

    • Rattus: UK, Denmark, US, Australia, Canada….didn’t have North African colonies to piss off, but that didn’t prevent terrorism. Indeed, it was a Canadian Mulsim terrorist who fashioned the “switch” for the London Underground bombing. Stop this politically correct Mea Culpa Eurospeak of blaming your loathsome selves for what these uncivilized thugs are doing. I see it in all your media and politicians. These people don’t need any provocation. Even if you feel you were responsible, European cultural genocide is not enough of an apology for these hateful people. Probably you can’t help yoursefl because of the kindergarten to graduate school lefty, proppagandist, politically correct, self-hatred education, you received. Your governments should be castigated and replaced for failing to provide support and safety to its citizens. I hope Hollande means what he says in terms of a response, although I don’t think so.

    • It is rather sad that of the cable news networks Al Jazeera generally has better coverage than CNN, FOX or MSNBC. Yeah, they are more or less liberal, but when I’ve watched them, they seem to do a decent job.

  43. If these are walk in immigrants I fear the Clash of Civilizations is about to erupt all over Europe and Angela Merkel is the Neville Chamberlain of our times. Against that backdrop the vicissitudes of climate science will be completely forgotten as the very survival of the ethos of science is what’s at stake.

    • Balanced?
      Pray do tell. are they giving “both sides” of the bloodthirsty murder story?
      That you would even make such a statement speaks volumes…like it is a noteworthy event for a news source to pretend to be somewhat unbiased.

      • This is Europeanitis is a self hatred disease, the terrorists are the victims disease, Gee, but look what we did in the 11thCentury……

  44. A really bad day for France. German TV channels are reporting since hours non stop.
    Despite of my pity with all the victims of these terrible terrorist attacks, I voted with NO for 2 reasons.

    First, even postponing COP21 wouldn’t change anything but again a lot more of unnecessary money expenditure.
    And second, I hate those countries pretending expression of condolence. Exactly those countires have been ruining Third World countries in the past, their economic system and, in the sequel, caused vast more deaths from hunger and unemployment. Hypocrites they all are!

    • thanks for posting – I’m tempted to write something here about blood versus CO2, but I shall refrain – honest people have paid a terrible price for going to a theater or a stadium provided by a modern civilization fueled by natural energies –

      I’ve checked in with http://www.france24.com/en/livefeed
      several times tonight and I seriously doubt that was powered by battery stored back-up of solar or bird blenders.

    • Memo for Angela Merkel:

      Reconsider open doors immigration policy.

      How about letting in only Christian and Yezidi refugees, plus Kurdish women, children and old men? You can help Turkey cover the costs of harboring Arab refugees.

  45. Which is more threatening? The attack in Paris, or Climate Change?

    Watching with horror the multiple simultaneous Islamic terrorist
    attacks on innocent civilians in Paris, France, while Paris was under
    the highest possible alert for terrorist activities, the French
    President Allande among the spectators at a soccer match between France
    and Germany, and the climate control conference COP21 only two weeks
    away, the words of President Obama still rings in my ears:

    “My definition of leadership would be leading on climate change, an
    international accord that potentially we’ll get in Paris. My definition
    of leadership is mobilizing the entire world community to make sure that
    Iran doesn’t get a nuclear weapon.” more… http://lenbilen.com/2015/11/13/which-is-more-threatening-the-attack-in-paris-or-climate-change/

  46. As people are actually dying from terrorism, Obama should rethinks climate change as greatest threat which as yet to produce a single body.

    • You make the mistake to think that Obama has any sincerity or reason behind his stances. He stands as he does, ideologically. Facts and events are irrelevant.

  47. How much carbon dioxide and other pollutants will be released into the atmosphere with the release of bombs against ISIS? Did the President think about that when he declared Climate Change to be the most pressing threat to Earth?

    • The EPA has decreed that all bombs must be carbon neutral, non-toxic and composed of only organic, recycled material. The military has announced a research program to build the “next generation” weapons from flour, water and recycled newspaper.

      In promoting his policy of Shame and Blame, President Obama announced that in future, all enemy combatants will be fitted with paper-mache dunce caps and forced to take a time-out in the corner until they learn to behave.

  48. reminder:

    6 Nov: Associated Press: France to reinstate border controls for UN climate meeting
    Authorities are on alert for violent protesters as well as potential terror attacks.
    (Interior Minister) Bernard Cazeneuve said on BFM television Friday that the controls will be in place for a month as part of larger security measures around the Nov. 30-Dec. 11 conference. He did not elaborate on how tightly the borders would be controlled or how the border checks would be carried out…
    ***Activist groups say they were informed that the French controls would begin Nov. 13…
    A major protest march is planned through Paris Nov. 29, in addition to several other smaller-scale actions.
    France faces routine protests that are largely peaceful but sometimes degenerate into violence by an extremist fringe. The country saw particularly violent protests during a NATO summit in Strasbourg in 2009.
    http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/cae69a7523db45408eeb2b3a98c0c9c5/Article_2015-11-06-EU-France-Climate-Conference/id-f6867ba09b914bb680e8b6c9f5e3402d

  49. Have been saying to my friends for a year now. I feel sorry for the next generation, the peace as they expect will not be there. Current policies will make the world far less safe with more terrorist actions common. Leaving for Paris next weekend on the way to Spain, wonder what is in store?

    • Dear Polski,

      Go acting according to the fact that your personal safety is ENTIRELY up to you (if you own a handgun, carry it, if you think you can get away with its not being confiscated). Carry food and water and basic first aid. Avoid large crowds. Assume anyone “dangerous looking” is. In short: travel as you would through a war zone — because that is exactly what Paris is.

      Take care and be safe!

      (and let us know if you make it to Espana okay — okay?)

      Janice

      • C’mon, Janice!

        Arriving at Orly with a pistol in your pocket does not end with confiscation of said weapon.
        Your grasp on reality is tenuous.
        Please, do not go to Paris right now.

      • Well, mebbe… I thought my qualifier: “if you think you can get away with its not being confiscated” was enough to put my remarks in the sane column.

        Thanks for the insult — good for my character, no doubt.

  50. These attacks seem conveniently timed so the world’s leading crooks can make a big showing at the climate conference and condemn terrorism at the same time.

      • Mass murder in 6 locations in one city on the same day was planned; a fortiori, it was timed.

        At this time, the world’s attention, though misguided, is on Paris due to that “greatest” of all threats, “climate change”.

        Mass murderers feed off attention.

        I think Mark is being logical and realistic.

      • Are you arguing that these attacks were spur of the moment? If not, then they were timed.
        Jihadists often pick the date of their attack based on historical events.

      • I responded to this comment:
        “These attacks seem conveniently timed so the world’s leading crooks can make a big showing at the climate conference and condemn terrorism at the same time.”

        The obvious implication is that Mark is implying that “the world’s leading crooks” hand a hand in planning the attack to precede the climate conference, so it can be used by them (These leaders) to score extra points by condemning terrorism.
        Who pretends to know, at this stage, what the particular motivation was? Of course we all know the general motivation.
        Who pretends to know why last night was chosen? Was this the original timing of the plan?
        Obviously it was planned, and it may be it was planned for a Friday night because that is when the most people are out and about, or maybe it was random. Maybe that it was Friday the 13th was significant…maybe not.
        Did I say it was not planned?

        Janice, no offense, but I wonder if you thought very hard or looked closely at what Mark said before proclaiming his ridiculous comment to be a product of a “logical and realistic” person?

        Ferdberple: Naive to assume what? Which coincidence?
        That the proximity of the COP 21 meeting was the reason for choosing a Friday night a few weeks before the conference? What are you even saying?
        I will repeat what was saying…that Mark made a paranoid statement that implies that COP21 leaders had a hand in planning this. Are you guys also 911 Truthers?

        MarkW; I am arguing that the attacks are convenient for no one…not for the dead people, not for the COP21 conference, which I think will almost surely have to be cancelled or at least disrupted, not for terrorism apologists, not for Democrats, and not for much of anyone that I can think of.
        So, now Planned means timed? Timed means not spur of the moment (only an idiot would think such a coordinated attack was anything but carefully planned)? What historical event? Mark was saying that this was very convenient for the leaders at the COP21, as it gives them a soapbox to denounce terrorism while they rail against modern society.
        IMO, none of you is making a bit of sense on this, although i usually appreciate and agree with many other comments you make.

  51. We must offer our condolences to those who have lost loved ones.

    Meanwhile the Administration is doing every thin possible to bring more Syrians to the US.
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/syria-refugees-u-s-centres-1.3308576
    “The Obama administration is moving to increase and accelerate the number of Syrian refugees who might be admitted into the United States by opening new screening outposts in Iraq and Lebanon, administration officials told Reuters on Friday.

    The move comes after President Barack Obama pledged in September to admit an additional 10,000 Syrian refugees in 2016, torn by four years of civil war and disorder.

    Manitoba social agencies gear up for Syrian refugee arrival\
    Justin Trudeau’s promise to take 25,000 Syrian refugees this fall ‘problematic’
    The U.S. State Department confirmed the plans to open a refugee settlement processing centre in Erbil, Iraq, before the end of 2015, and to resume refugee processing in Lebanon in early 2016, said spokeswoman Danna Van Brandt.

    The White House would not say how many additional refugees it may take in beyond the 10,000, but two senior administration officials said they are seeking ways to increase the number”?”

    Is it time to rethink the po licy?

  52. One of the faux science social madnesses of the 20th century, Eugenics, was derailed by WWI.
    The other, Marxism, sadly was not.
    Today we have so-called “cliamte change”, our 21st century faux science madness, being derailed by the reality of terrorists acting out their perverted religious beliefs.
    Will this be enough to wake our leaders out of their hypnagogic stumbling towards more wasted efforts on the so-called “climate change” obsession?

  53. The attacks in Paris are a part of the Obama legacy. Obama chose to bugout of Iraq and let the Islamic Terror Army run wild, and this is one of the things you get, along with hundreds of thousands of muslim refugees who are quickly turning Europe into a caliphate.

    The president of France is now talking about taking strong military action. It’s about time someone started trying to clean up Obama’s mess. Obama won’t lead, maybe France will.

    TA

    • Plus the Libyan affair went very poorly. Luckily for Egypt the army took care of Morsi, or who knows what that would have led to if he had been able to hold onto power. Overall, I can not imagine that there could be a president worse than our current one for the change without hope that he has helped foment in the world.

      • Barack Obama is the greatest enabler of Radical Islam in the history of the world. Noone else even comes close. He is in a league of his own. His actions and inactions have allowed the Islamic Terror Army to grow from a minor problem to a major world threat, and he has now made a deal with the Mad Mullahs of Iran to give them $150 billion extra dollars with which to increase their funding of worldwide terrorism. Not to mention giving the Mad Mullahs nuclear weapons. They must still be marveling at their good fortune.

        Obama has done major damage to world secuity, and he still has 14 months left in Office. And we can’t look to him to fix the problems he created. He and John Kerry act like they are innocent bystanders when they describe the horrors taking place in the Middle East, and now in Paris.

        TA

    • The president of France is now talking about taking strong military action. It’s about time someone started trying to clean up Obama’s mess. Obama won’t lead, maybe France will.
      =
      If so, it would look like the false flag may work after all. Putting NATO troops on the ground would hamper the efficient Russian/Iranian campaign, preserve certain sensitive assets from destruction and de facto create a toxic climate for Assad while surrounding Latakia with NATO military hardware. I wonder who would benefit from this turn about? Could it be…

      • President Hollande is forced to issue strong statements and response, or he will be soon looking for another line of work. I also found my thoughts turning to who would benefit from this situation, as this could certainly be a much more devious plot than meets the eye.

    • Note the hastily called Syrian summit which Kerry organized real quick, and now suddenly their are calls for peace in Syria by at least two of the factions, and a timetable for elections given…within 18 months.
      laughable…spin control on steroids is how I see this “summit”.
      A lot of people are seeing that this is a very bad day for Democrats, for John Kerry and the entire Obama wrecking crew, and for a whole lot of other people, as nothing changes attitudes and influences elections faster and more surely than an overt act of war.
      This was not Charlie Hebdo being attacked. Many liberals are sick of free speech as it is, as evidenced by the entire PC movement and recent specific statements that have gotten a lot of press. Charlie Hebdo could be seen as “asking for it”.
      But none of the people having coffee on a Friday night, or at a soccer match, or a concert, or out for drinks with friends, can be seen as having asked for anything.
      This is a big in your face act of war by radical Islamic fundamentalists, and no one can deny it or put any lipstick on it.
      Just like 9/11, this changes everything.
      And I strongly suspect this may be just the beginning. If the incident at the Bavarian border on November 5th turns out to have been related to this attack, that will tie the recent “refugees” to Paris, and the implications that the foxes are now in the henhouse will be clear to all.

  54. One of the faux science social madnesses of the 20th century, Eugenics, was derailed by WWI.
    The other, Marxism, sadly was not.
    Today we have so-called “climate change”, our 21st century faux science madness, being derailed by the reality of terrorists acting out their perverted religious beliefs.
    Will this be enough to wake our leaders out of their hypnagogic stumbling towards more wasted efforts on the so-called “climate change” obsession?

  55. COP21 party (and Al Gore) looks to be game-over.

    Not just about the “safety” of the 40,000 “delegates” but the lives of the 74,000 child prostitutes to service the French President, his government, the US President and his government and the UN and its crony NGOs and HMOs.

    • With great sensitivity and perspicacity, 601nan remarks:

      Not just about the “safety” of the 40,000 “delegates” but the lives of the 74,000 child prostitutes to service the French President, his government, the US President and his government and the UN and its crony NGOs and HMOs.

      Hm. I hadn’t given any thought to that at all.

      And youth unemployment rates are already so high throughout the countries of the developed world….

      They asked each other countless riddles, such as who played the Cisco Kid and what was Krypton. In the end Dildo won the game. Stumped at last for a riddle to ask, he cried out, as his hand fell on his snub-nosed .38, “What have I got in my pocket?” This Goddam failed to answer, and growing impatient, he paddled up to Dildo, whining, “Let me see, let me see.” Dildo obliged by pulling out the pistol and emptying it in Goddam’s direction. The dark spoiled his aim, and he managed only to deflate the rubber float, leaving Goddam to flounder. Goddam, who couldn’t swim, reached out his hand to Dildo and begged him to pull him out, and as he did, Dildo noticed an interesting-looking ring on his finger and pulled it off. He would have finished Goddam off then and there, but pity stayed his hand.

      “It’s a pity I’ve run out of bullets,” he thought….

      — Henry Beard & Doug Kenney, Bored of the Rings (1969)

  56. On another note, there was a serious tour bus crash in San Francisco today, which occurred at 3:00 pm PST today. I wonder if there is some connection to the attack in France, which took place at the same moment?

    • Further thought on the SF accident. How does the tour bus lose it’s brakes, and accelerate at the same time? Why doesn’t the driver shift to neutral, cut the motor, or apply the emergency brake? Supposedly the bus starts out of control in the 500 block on Post St, which is one way to the east. This tour bus then crashes at the end of the 400 block of Post St, or around 150 yards from where it goes out of control according to eyewitnesses. The entire stretch of Post is always very busy with traffic and pedestrians, and a tour bus is generally cruising slower than normal traffic as they point out the sites to see. Witnesses state that the bus was going very fast at this point, although the slope is not very steep on the street. The driver certainly has a lot of explaining to do regarding his inability to handle the vehicle. It is amazing that no one was killed outright, although there are 6 critically injured people.

  57. No time to read all the comments. I voted to cancel the ‘Climate’ show. Then, I would have voted for that anyway.

    Why Paris? Because they can. It will get worse. A large number of those Syrian ‘refugees’ are young men. We’re not far behind.

    /Mr Lynn

    • It is a poor poll because it doesn’t include the option: “COP21 is irrelevant to the events in Paris today”.

  58. Couldn’t see this COP21 thingy going ahead for two reasons.

    It would divert too many police and other resources at a time when all good people are needed elsewhere.

    All of the attendees at the COP21 are otherwise useful idiots (or worse) for the terrorists’ cause. It would be an insult to the dead and injured for them to have a public platform at this time.

  59. If COP21 really is to save the planet… our “last chance”… the delegates have no choice, do they?
    They must go. It’s… for the planet, after all…

  60. A few comments:

    1). Yes – COP21 should be cancelled. The French will not be able to guarantee the safety of 40,000 delegates and at least 79 (?) heads of state.

    2). The horrific attack may mean the end of the European Union. With France and Belgium closing its borders, and other countries closing borders to migrants from the Middle East, the Schengen open border agreement is, for practical purposes, dead.

    3). US response to Paris attacks seems weak.

    That’s it for openers.

    • “Nothing to share at this time,” the CIA press officer said on Friday night.

      At the Je Suis Charlie march, although in Paris, Eric Holder did not bother…

  61. The meetings should be held. The location is a private-jet airport and France will be safer over the next 6 weeks than it would have been without the terror. The costs are already in place, and so on. The terrorists are not concerned with global warming nor worried about getting their share of the “climate reparations.”
    Consider the Benghazi attack — a well planned terrorist operation and not a “spontaneous” response to an anti-Mohammed YouTube video. If the climate party in Paris was of interest to terrorists, why would they strike multiple targets just 2 weeks before the big fête?

    • Mr. Hultquist asks:

      If the climate party in Paris was of interest to terrorists, why would they strike multiple targets just 2 weeks before the big fête?

      Reasonable. It would certainly be poor operational art, not to mention an expenditure of assets which would have been better retained to go after the much higher-value targets aggregating in Paris during the period 30 November through 11 December.

      Though (as more than one reader commenting here appears to have remarked), the presence of so many chiefs of state would bring into Paris and its environs far greater numbers of security personnel than are normally maintained in that capital city, and would invoke surveillance technology far more pervasive and effective than what had prevailed in the run-up to this latest episode of jihadi bingo.

      The caliphate command structure may have decided that the assets they’d brought into this theater of operations were either extremely close to being prematurely detected – meaning that this spasm of slaughter was precipitated on the basis of a “use-it-or-lose-it” perception – or the leaders had gained some insight into how the high-value targets attending COP21 would be hard targets, too difficult to seize or kill with whatever men and materials the sons of Allah had been able to get into the forward area.

      Anyone care to speculate on what they’re saying about the implications of this assault over in Carlisle Barracks?

      It is inaccurate to say I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office.

      — H.L. Mencken

  62. I do not think it is appropriate to put COP21 and islamist terrorism on the “same page”, so I am not happy that this article has appeared here. I do think it is reasonable to cancel COP 21, but it can be done quietly and sensibly without a poll.

    I consider “islamist terrorism” to be an appropriate term. The terrorism is clearly undertaken in the name of islam, just as the inquisition was undertaken in the name of christianity, but it is a seriously warped version of islam just as the inquisition was a seriously warped version of christianity. The use of “islamist” rather than “islamic” differentiates them from other muslims, who are at least as likely to be the victims.

    The many statements here that the West will now wake up and crush Islamic State are not supported by history. History shows that the free world does hand-wringing best, and that more often than not it has to be pushed right to the brink before it will take really serious action. Islamist terrorists have been active for a long time. Sayyid Qutb is generally regarded as its initiator in 1964 – see eg. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%27alim_fi_al-Tariq .The website http://radiobergen.org/terrorism/muslimterror_1977_2004.htm lays out some of the history, starting with the taking of 134 hostages near the White House on 9 March 1977. But that wasn’t the start. I passed through Cairo airport in 1970, the day after four Jumbo Jets had been hijacked. One of them had been blown up at Cairo and the pieces were still beside the runway. Back then, the terrorists went more for disruption than killing people, although they did kill people, but the current lot are now making killing people their chief modus operandi.

    I would like it to be otherwise, but I fear that the free world will be afflicted with islamist terrorism for decades to come.

    • Tens of millions of Sunni Arabs view ISIS favorably, as shown by recent public opinion polls of Arab majority states.

    • The Qur’an sanctifies killing and oppressing non-Muslims. Slavery is a right god-given to Muslims (Qur’an: those whom your right hand possess). The writings of the scholars of Islam, the mujtahidun, are full of violent contempt for Jews and Christians right from the earliest days.

      Muslim slave-taking depopulated the entire Mediterranean coast between the 9th and 11th centuries. Muslim armed aggression against Europe stretched from Spain, through Sicily, the southern coast of France, and in Italy. The Crusades were in large part a reaction to that.

      Until England put a stop to it, Muslim slave trading along the east African coast and across the Sahara took millions; other untold millions of captives died on that trek. Muslims raided for slaves not only across the Mediterranean and in Africa, but also up into the Caucasus. By the 12th century, the prior large and thriving population of Christians in North Africa was rendered extinct by slaving and massacre.

      The dhimma is the condition of slavery to which captive non-Muslim populations are reduced. Christians and Jews (and Hindus) have no rights, and especially no right of defense against an assault by any Muslim for any reason; including for no other reason that that they are Christians or Jews. Resistance of any sort invokes jihad as a response. An imagined slight can produce murder justified by right under the dhimma. Dhimmi — the captive Jewish/Christian population — have no right to give testimony in court, because they are dogmatically convicted as liars for having supposedly falsified their scripture.

      All of Earth belongs to god’s chosen — the Muslims. All non-Muslim societies are illicit and have no right to existence. It is a dogmatic precept that they are to be conquered, unless they surrender. Surrender brings the dhimma. The accepted and taught Islamic tactic is to temporize with treaties when too weak, and to attack when victory is likely. The entire non-Muslim world is the dar al-Harb — the House of War. The rest is the dar al-Islam — the House of Submission. You submit. They lord it over you.

      All of this, and much more, is there for anyone to read in the history of Islam. Islam is a violent political system disguised as a religion. Violence is sanctified; it is an obligation of every Muslim.

      What we see today isn’t Islamic extremism. It is traditional Islam. The Islam of the 9th through the 18th centuries. It is the Islam that murdered 2 million Armenians 100 years ago, and that oppresses the Copts today in Egypt.

      Jihad died down for 150 years because no Muslim society was strong enough to pursue it. Now we’re seeing a re-emergence of the true and traditional face of Islam. It’s become more and more exposed over the last 60 years, stimulated in large part by the appearance among them of uppity Jews who dared, dared!, to raise their heads and fight back. There is only one Islamic answer to defiance: violent, murderous jihad.

      I argued religion and science on-line for years against Muslims. I read their words saying Jews are their dogs, and that Europe is in their hands.

      Islam makes its believers totally and implacably irredentist. It makes smart people stupid and stupid people violent.

      Your freedom is an offense against them. They will feel themselves justifiably aggrieved until you are in your proper god-ordained place at their feet.

      That’s their program. That’s our problem. It will take a Jeffersonian solution.

      • It may come to the Isabella and Ferdinand’s “final solution”: expulsion or forced conversion.

        The Caliphate considers any land that was once Muslim still to be Muslim. The Spanish Reconquest counts for nothing. Spain, southern France, Sicily, all Muslim. The Russian and Austrian-Hungarian liberation of the Balkans? Nothing. British liberation of Greece? Nothing.

        In Muslim myth, the Crusades weren’t to free the Christian majority of the Levant from Islamic domination or to allow free passage of pilgrims to Jerusalem blocked by the Seljuk Turks. No, it was aggression. Never mind that a few Europeans in the Holy Land were as nothing as against what was coming, ie the Mongols, who massacred and enslaved whole populations, thoroughly destroying Baghdad.

      • On 13 November at 11:06 PM, Pedric had written:

        What we see today isn’t Islamic extremism. It is traditional Islam. The Islam of the 9th through the 18th centuries. It is the Islam that murdered 2 million Armenians 100 years ago, and that oppresses the Copts today in Egypt.

        Jihad died down for 150 years because no Muslim society was strong enough to pursue it. Now we’re seeing a re-emergence of the true and traditional face of Islam. It’s become more and more exposed over the last 60 years, stimulated in large part by the appearance among them of uppity Jews who dared, dared!, to raise their heads and fight back. There is only one Islamic answer to defiance: violent, murderous jihad.

        I argued religion and science on-line for years against Muslims. I read their words saying Jews are their dogs, and that Europe is in their hands.

        Islam makes its believers totally and implacably irredentist. It makes smart people stupid and stupid people violent.

        Your freedom is an offense against them. They will feel themselves justifiably aggrieved until you are in your proper god-ordained place at their feet.

        That’s their program. That’s our problem. It will take a Jeffersonian solution.

        Eminently quotable (and duly noted as such). Somebody’s been reading politically incorrect (dare we say “skeptical”?) sources with regard to Islamic doctrine and history.

        Or else he sat through the same Comparative Religion course I got in parochial high school back in the early ’60s.

        It is not an act of hatred against Muslims to point out the depredations of jihad ideology. It is a peculiar species of displacement and projection to accuse someone [of hatred] who exposes the hatred of one group…: I believe in the equality of rights and dignity of all people, and that is why I oppose the global jihad. Those who make the charge use it as a tool to frighten the credulous and politically correct away from the truth.

        — Robert Spencer, About Robert Spencer, Jihad Watch

  63. In the Left’s preverse world view, 1 extra part per 10,000 of CO2 causes everything from teenage acne to global jihad by Jslamic terrorists. It’s a strange world we live in.

  64. When I read this today, I thought it has to be a hoax (No offence to anyone, host or postie), but then I see it is real. Having lived in that part of Europe in the 80’s, it was just a matter of time. Now, not pointing fingers at any one group, on thing I can say is common and that is unemployment. Many riots in Belgium, England, Spain, Italy etc in my experience. Idle young people. National service in the UK seemed to “soak” that idleness up.

    • what do you really think, Patrick? No one thinks it is unemployment. No one thinks in the EU anymore the ministries of Truth take care of that.

      • I said it is common unemployment leads to idle minds. Idle, young, minds that can be manipulated. Many of the riots I saw in Belgium and the UK in the 80’s, were young unemployed people.

  65. On the COP21 Paris survey, Should it be cancelled? This is exactly the mindset US President Obysmal wants.
    So if its cancelled, to when? Delay the failure of COP2 prevents the failure.

    He can do the same for US general elections in November 2016 to stop a Republican President from being elected. Delay the Democratic presidential failure to preserve his legacy programs until Dems can steal the election all together.

  66. I have an Army aviation veteran, farmer, builder and logger buddy who flew Hueys in Nam and Peru and minigunships in Afghanistan who says not to worry about Muslims taking over Europe because they will assimilate, seduced by rock music, wine or some other aspect of Western culture, He says they’ll eventually just become another religion on an increasingly secular continent, and that Europe has no choice because its population isn’t replacing itself.

    So far, the assimilation doesn’t seem to be happening rapidly enough.

    • That’s a fine gamble for someone else to take with Europe’s future.
      And if the gamble fails, and integration does not succeed, then what is plan B?
      Do people imagine that we can just say, “shucks that was a big mistake, will all you guys go back to where you came from”?

  67. This is nothing just wait till ISIS ect get their hands on drones with nuclear material. Trump or right wing GOP will now win the next USA election. UK will leave the European Union. It may be necessary to nuke certain Middle east areas. All immigration from Arab countries and Africa to Europe and the Americas will have to be totally stopped

    • Eliza writes:

      This is nothing just wait till ISIS ect get their hands on drones with nuclear material.

      Why would ISIS need remotely piloted aerial vehicles (“drones”) to deliver their weapons? The jihadi tradition of self-destruction in battle against the enemies of Islam is already manifest in suicide bombings accomplished by loading cars and trucks with explosives and driving them into the midst of their opponents.

      Think; “Islamic kamikazes.”

    • It takes advanced technology to create a nuke that is small enough to fit on a drone.
      N. Koreas first nuke was similar in size to those dropped on Japan. The same will be true of Iran’s.

      • Well there are the 1KT Russian suitcase nukes, of which many, according to a Russian general, are unaccounted for:
        “Russian National Security Advisor, General Aleksander Lebed. Lebed claimed that the former Soviet Union had not only manufactured but had lost track of perhaps 100 of a very frightening weapon: a nuclear bomb in a casing which made it appear to be a small suitcase, designed to be detonated by a single operator with as little as a single half-hours notice. Lebed claimed that the devices had a yield of 1 kiloton”
        http://www.gizmag.com/suitcase-nukes-fact-or-fiction/18506/

  68. Paris is the most beautiful city in the world. I’ve spent many layovers and vacations there, walking the city, visiting the sites. I could be a tour guide.

    But because of the danger, I won’t be going back. I feel sorry for all the people who, out of caution or fear, will never see the city that I most love.

    • Unfortunately it’s filled with Parisians, whom even other French don’t like.

      I go in August, when they’re all on vacation.

  69. Ironic, this is what the President said one day before the Paris attacks and while the Administration was spiking the football for killing one of the ISIS terrorists.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2015/11/13/obama-no-isis-isnt-gaining-strength-now/

    “I don’t think they’re gaining strength,” the president told Stephanopoulos in an interview at the White House Thursday. “From the start our goal has been first to contain, and we have contained them. They have not gained ground in Iraq. And in Syria it — they’ll come in, they’ll leave.

    “But you don’t see this systematic march by ISIL across the terrain,” he added, using the government’s acronym for ISIS. …

    The president said his team has crafted a strategy that “contained the momentum that ISIL had gained,” but said there will continue to be problems in the region “until we get the Syria political situation resolved.”

    “Until [Syrian President Bashar al-] Assad is no longer a lightning rod for Sunnis in Syria and that entire region is no longer a proxy war for Shia-Sunni conflict, we’re going to continue to have problems,” he said. “I would distinguish between making sure that the place is perfect — that’s not going to happen anytime soon — with making sure that ISIL continues to shrink in its scope of operations until it no longer poses the kind of threat that it does.”

  70. For those who think these attacks are relatively recent one needs only to look back in History when Jefferson was President and frustrated by Muslim attacks on US Ships. After reading the Koran and used the Marines to resolve the matter. More of our leaders in the Administration should also read the Koran. Israel was not a nation then so lets forget the excuses many by many.

    “The Tripoli Muslim ambassador was very straightforward. He said, basically, “That’s what we do. We are commanded to do so by Allah.” Jefferson later wrote that the Tripoli ambassador told him, “It was written in their Koran that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman (Muslim) who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to Paradise.”

    Completely taken aback by this revelation, Jefferson decided to look into the matter further, and did the one thing everyone should do: He read the Koran. He learned what Islam was about.

    And when he became president, he expanded and then mobilized the United States Navy to protect American ships from Muslim piracy and then sent Marines to the shores of Tripoli, who soundly defeated the Muslim warriors. This brought an end to the “Barbary Coast Pirates.” This was the first foreign war fought by the U.S. and military aggressiveness of Islamic countries remained contained and weakened for over a century.”

    • The threat of Barbary Pirate corsairs slave-raiding European shipping and coastal towns wasn’t finally ended until the French conquest of Algeria in 1830.

      The US fought two “Barbary Wars”. Jefferson led the first in 1801-05, against piratical cities in Libya, Tunisia and Algeria. Madison conducted the second in 1815.

      And Jefferson was an opponent of the blue water navy. He wanted a maritime militia in coastal gunboats disparagingly called “Jeffs”.

  71. These guys provided the COP21 people with the perfect excuse to postpone that ” meeting” They would have done irreparable damage to their “cause” if done then.

  72. Best wishes to all the injured and sincere condolences to the families of the dead.

    So how long does the world tolerate Saudi Arabia funding the Wahhabi sect (Salafist, Takfir, etc, whatever they call themselves this week)? They have been funding schools and mosques throughout the world for 60+ years to the tune of 100 billion dollars to teach and promote this un-Islamic form of Islam.

    So if France wants to retaliate break off diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia until they stop all funding of this filth? How about everyone focus on “follow the money”? The leader of Turkey has a son who if profiting off the sale of oil from un-Islamic State. How about going after them?

    To paraphrase George Carlin on the drug trade “kill a few bankers laundering the money” and you will see results.

    • Vladimir Putin?

      Unfortunately, he wants to wipe out the Turkish-backed Free Syrian Army most threatening to Assad’s Alawite homeland in western Syria before trying to rid eastern Syria’s Euphrates Valley of ISIS.

      • That area to the north of Latika, where the Russian base is, is controlled by al-Nusra which are ideologically the same as Islamic State just different leaders. Of course Russia will remove the al-Nusra bunch first as they are closest and controlled Aleppo.
        There is no Free Syrian Army outside of press conferences and a small group living in Turkey. The FSA is a classic paper tiger. It only exists on paper.

  73. Let us not forget that those attending COP21 believe that ‘global warming’ started the war in Syria and therefore, as an extension, caused the atrocities in Paris.

    How do they feel about that, one wonders..? Will they double down and use it as an excuse to push for more world government, while shrieking “Islamophobes” at the piles of dead?

    The time for appeasement is at an end and all-out war is required, like never before. Obama, this means you – it’s high time for you to grow a pair and step up.

    • COP21 will proceed as planned. There will be lots of cops around.

      MSM news over here now say that this is precisely what is going to happen. These things are not unrelated.

  74. Brian – I meant that even without this unecessary COP21 – this killing would have taken place – and somebody said “beware on the 11th of november” –
    but it probably has something to do the problems of migrants
    somebody said that by declaring war to Irak – the gates to hell have been opened –
    and later on that we had Lybia and Syria – ……… (no names ….) and Yemen (saudi arabia and qatar maybe)

    For the moment I know there are over 150 deads – i feel terribly sorry for them and family

  75. david,mhoffer

    I didn’t write the article in the Forward or give it the title, “Jews unite…”. If you think the reportage I cited is an example of “spewing hate,” you should write to them and complain.

    Nor did I write this example of genocidal hate speech:

    * * * * * * * *
    “Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel’s targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria.”
    -Oded Yinon, (A Strategy for Israel in the 1980s
    * * * * * * * *

    [snip those comments have been removed -mod]

  76. We all are facing a significant terrorist threat and instead of dealing with it properly, we waste billions of dollars on some mythical climate change threat!

  77. First of all, my heart goes out to all of those caught up in this atrocity, especially to those who have lost their lives (except for the perpetrators) and their loved ones who are trying to come to terms with this terrible loss.
    I was caught up in the 7/7 bombings in London (I was in one of the following tubes stuck in the tunnels just 1 or 2 tubes behind the one that got blown up and had to be evacuated out of the tunnels), and I was out on the streets the following week when there were new bomb scares and the Police cordoned off the area right next to me, pushing me back and preventing me from going where I wanted to go and all public transport was closed, so I know what it feels like to be on the edge of these events.

    Regrettably, this is an incident just waiting to happen, and I fear that there will be many more such happenings due to the weak leadership of our Political Masters and the lefty luvies in MSM and other NGOs. The price for welcoming mass migration (which has no doubt been infiltrated by terrorist sympathisers) who do not share the values of the West and who want to recreate the culture, society, law and way of live of the countries from which they have just fled, is yet to be felt here in Europe. These people’s values are simply incompatible with Western values, and the Western way of life, and our Political Masters stand dazzled in the headlights, and have no answer, and have no coherent policies for dealing with this situation and its future impact on our way of life. The lefties are simply in denial that it is anything to do with their policies that they have been espousing for decades. Even Blair cannot come to admit the role played by the 2nd incursion into Iraq, and the overthrow of government in Libya, and the destabilisation of the Middle East and promotion of the Arab Spring (Blair not being directly responsible for the 2nd two, but he wields a lot of influence behind the scenes, for some reason he is still respected by many Political leaders). Enough of the political rant.

    If this had happened a couple of days before COP21, it would have been called off since the security forces would have been too stretched in the immediate aftermath of this event. However, a week or so after this event will be the safest time to visit Paris, since the terrorists have shot their bolt and need to regroup/re-plan their further strategies. That said, with diplomatic leaders, security will obviously be stepped up and will cost a lot more (Politicians are always more concerned about themselves than they are about the public). Further there may well be a number of world leaders who may shun appearing, letting their deputies sit in for them. Yet further, the local Parisian businesses may not do as well as predicted since many delegates and attendees may think twice about spending a night out on the tiles, or shopping in the fashionable boutiques.

    Anyway best wishes to all the innocents in Paris.

    • Thank you for this balanced, non-knee-jerk assessment of the situation.
      I am a little concerned by the presence of so many over-simplified, “blame the Koran only” comments on this thread. Yes, understanding the nature of Islamism and the reasons by which it leads to incompatibility with democracy and liberty – these approaches are important.
      But, as you point out. Western policies have also played a significant role on the road toward the current potentially catastrophic situation. Both the policies enacted overseas, and the policy of permitting mass immigration into our own lands.
      So thanks for outlining these components in a manner that does not suggest that you have any specific ideological allegiances. It’s a multifactorial problem. But our political masters have lead us into this crisis.
      I suspect that our leftist masters wanted to import “victims” because they quietly believed that they were importing people who would vote for the left. Unfortunately they may have accidentally have triggered a massive swing towards support of the extreme right in the process.
      Personally, I didn’t want or ask for either.

      • Yeah, and it was terrible the way that we got “sucked into” all those crusades.
        Why didn’t Saladin just leave us alone!!!

      • The Islamic desire to attack the West has been there all along, the middle eastern break down simply allowed the organization to become more effective. ONLY to that extent is the west to blame.

      • Sure, I am quite aware of the long history.
        What puzzles me though, is the massive gamble that Europe has taken in convincing itself that somehow over 1000 years of animosity can be laid to rest by inviting millions of muslims to come and set up home over here.
        Pretty dumb in my view. And we can only blame ourselves.

    • I was in London the time of the July 2005 bombing but it happened shortly after my plane was leaving Heathrow for Kiev. No, the Iraqi war didn’t help, but the idiotic massive immigration of people who don’t want democracy, they want theocracy and they hate western culture which they see has dirty and immoral.

      It is entirely unproductive to keep playing the self-guilt card. Something more pragmatic and proactive has to be done. First, you have to get rid of the totally ineffectual lefty governments (including Cameron who certainly isn’t ‘right’) for having recklessly put its people and culture at terminal risk. Left as it is, demographics within two generations will make it illegal to have an institution called Christ College, and the art, laws, justice system, museums, music, poetry, novels, essays, the Magna Carta and all cultural relics will be gone. The way of life will be a return to the Middle Ages and before. From the comments from the many Europeans here, I fear they will do little.

  78. First my condolences to all those that have lost loved ones, friends, and the sense of security from internal conflict.

    Second, the terrorists confirmed what many people are already thinking. These people are bad and aren’t here to become part of the country.

    Third, what is wrong with our government’s? They aren’t there to cause the citizens of any country grief. With immigration that is exactly what they are doing. These people don’t have the same customs, morels, history, or anything in common. Whether the increase in welfare is true or not, they still put a burden on the rest of society. Who needs this kind of stress?. The rights, liberities, and individual freedoms get suppressed bringing these kinds of people . The only thing the government’s are doing is spreading civil war to places that were once peaceful. Do I think the Islamic centers in the US are Americans first and Muslims second? No. They haven’t and aren’t proving it. Just because the government says so isn’t something that’s true. There is something wrong when you start believing the policies of a Russian president over that of the United States.

    Why isn’t the Islamic world taking in their “brothers”? They have plenty of money from oil and gas. Indonesia, Iranian, Saudis, all of north Africa, Pakistani, all of the stans. Is there something wrong with the leaders of the west?

    Over time the only thing that will happen here is war and conflict. Religious fueled wars are the worst.

    • Re: “What is wrong with our governments.” I too have pondered this question.
      But, primarily I have asked what is wrong with the political left. Since no right wing parties have pushed for mass-immigration – to my knowledge.
      And so I am currently at the point of concluding that the left seeks to import a massive number of dependents and supporters of the left.
      In the absence of a better explanation – self-interest usually explains most human phenomena.
      Obviously there are other factors such as leftist ideological subversion – but I’m inclined to thing that the selfish motive trumps all else, in all things!!

      • Sometimes that’s true. I guess it’s true in my case. I don’t want to freeze to death from some crazy telling me it’s hot in July when it’s 50 f. And I certainly don’t want to be a slave to a religious cause.

      • Yeah, I don’t want my house to be flooded because some idiots decided not to maintain a man-made drainage channel.
        Especially not, when they already had sufficient evidence that such dereliction of duty leads to sustained and widespread flooding – but they decided to blame the flooding on climate change and warn everybody to expect more of the same.
        I’m selfish, I don’t want to be drowned by clowns!!!

      • It’s funny because in the 80ties, some PCF (French Communist Party) heads were fighting immigration, even with bulldozer to destroy migrant camps.

        Immigration was seen by the communists and (a lot of the left) as a way for the exploiting class to lower wages.

        Now these communists would be labelled as far-right off the present extreme right (FN): “extreme-far-extreme-right”, maybe.

        There was a point when being pro-muslim arabic immigration because the new normal according to “political experts” and the parisian “elite”.

      • Yes, that would be the stance of rational self interest for the workers.
        But the left political class no longer represent the workers.
        Perhaps they are interested in union support but they seem to be primarily interested in feathering their own nests. And promoting themselves into lifelong unelected positions as part of the international bureaucratic elite.

      • Terra Nova, the think tank of PS (socialist party), explicitly expressed the idea that the left lost the working class, so now the left needs to find new groups of electors:

        – LGBT (hence gay marriage, even if many very socialist districts are traditional catholic unhappy with gay marriage)
        – arabo-islamic immigrants. In poor, high criminality, high immigration suburbs, François Hollande made ridiculously high scores in the presidential election. “The 93” (département de Seine-Saint-Denis) had huge spendings, is bankrupt (but then the State make everybody pays), still has huge spendings, and is very socialist. Note: Claude Bartolone, the president of the 93, who managed to bankrupt the department with dangerous variable-rate credits (some based on Franc Suisse/Euro parity), has been punished by a nomination as president of the national assembly. France loves people who bankrupt things.
        – women, who apparently need more rights in France (?). (Women acquired full citizen rights extremely late in France, with the right to vote only after WWII (later than Turkey), and the right for a married woman to have a bank account without husband’s permission even later, but they now have equal rights.)

        See: http://www.marianne.net/hervenathan/Quand-la-gauche-dit-adieu-aux-ouvriers-et-employes_a101.html

      • UPR is even more nationalist and fascist (and silly) than all the others.

        UPR wanted the government to officially declare war to ISIS, which implies:

        – reconnaissance of ISIS as a state
        – appointing a representant of ISIS (or even a full blown embassy?)
        – giving the representant a declaration of war

        Other nonsense from UPR, they want to force the use of French for teaching, saying the use of English in a teaching institution violates the Constitution. (!)

        UPR points out a few real issues then provide inept solutions.

  79. The UK media is spinning this as attacks on gatherings and crowds.

    Let’s be clear about this. Muslim terrorists choose theaters, concerts, night clubs and stadiums to prevent people having fun. The entire thrust of the Koran and Hadith is to subjugate the unbelievers as serfs, and to spend all your time in prayer. Anything outside prayer is considered a waste of time, and so traditional Muslim societies had (and have) very little entertainment for the people. Show me the Saudi philharmonic orchestra, the Saudi ballet company, the Saudi comedy theater, the Saudi rock bands, the Saudi Hollywood, the Saudi satirical newspaper, the Saudi Olympic heroes, or even the Saudi Nobel Prize winners.

    So these attacks on theaters, concerts, stadium, satirical papers and even restaurants, are NOT simply attacks on crowds, they are an attack on Western culture. The aim is to make people afraid to go out to entertainments, and thereby prevent entertainments from happening at all. It is an attempt to make us conform to Muslim culture, to always conform to Muslim culture, and never oppose Muslim culture.

    R

    • Spot on ralfellis. If you haven’t already read the book “Infidel” by Ayaan Hirsi Ali – then you will find it illuminating. It gives an insider view of life within this culture of oppression. And much more – since she then describes her arrival in the west. I already held your view, but after reading this book I realized that – “it’s worse than we think”!!!

      • >>Spot on ralfellis. If you haven’t already read the book “Infidel”
        >>by Ayaan Hirsi Ali – then you will find it illuminating.

        Yes, I read that back in Jan 2007. Better still you need to read Robert Spencer. The Left have demonised Spencer, but everything he says comes straight from Islamic history.

        R

  80. The UK media is spinning this as attacks on gatherings and crowds.

    Let’s be clear about this. Muslim terrorists choose theaters, concerts, night clubs and stadiums to prevent people having fun. The entire thrust of the Koran and Hadith is to subjugate the unbelievers as serfs, and to spend all your time in prayer. Anything outside prayer is considered a waste of time, and so traditional Muslim societies had (and have) very little entertainment for the people. Show me the Saudi philharmonic orchestra, the Saudi ballet company, the Saudi comedy theater, the Saudi rock bands, the Saudi Hollywood, the Saudi satirical newspaper, the Saudi Olympic heroes, or even the Saudi Nobel Prize winners.

    So these attacks on theaters, concerts, stadium, satirical papers and even restaurants, are NOT simply attacks on crowds, they are an attack on Western culture. The aim is to make people afraid to go out to entertainments, and thereby prevent entertainments from happening at all. It is an attempt to make us conform to Muslim culture, to always conform to Muslim culture, and never oppose Muslim culture.

    R

    • And weddings, people relaxing at the beach. Like shooting fish in a barrel, unarmed and unaware. Such brave jhadist! Can’t take down a dictatorship but killing people who pose no threat, now that’s a real accomplishment. Oh, wait, they’ll just replace one dictator with another. … I think that’s why countries started having uniformed militaries. They all become suspect and subject to any abuse the host country lays out. Even in the case of the US and Japanese internment, emperor worship was still a thing, and the Japanese up till that time were winning. The terrorists certainly weren’t Frenchmen in any sense.

    • Since when has the truth been deemed to be ‘vile’?

      What I fine vile is to watch the new James Bond movie, and find them blaming world terrorism in many capital cities on Westerners and upon the Pale King. Now that is truly vile.

    • Kit Carruthers:November 14, 2015 at 2:16 am

      There really are some vile comments on here. Anthony should be ashamed to preside over a site that allows them.

      100% agreed, Kit. But that is precisely why they should be allowed and WUWT to be applauded. I am now much, much better informed of the global spectrum of thought on the myriad issues surrounding the Paris attacks. Is your physical constitution too delicate to hear what other people think? N.B. I didn’t even ask which of the comments you considered to be vile. On behalf of censors worldwide, thank you for your support.

      Oh, and a reminder to all, the only people who should be allowed to vote are the ones who think exactly like me.

      [note – there was one set of comments by a single commenter that were “over the top” and didn’t trigger moderation flags since the issue discussed here was new to the site. That one set of comments from that commenter have now been snipped because hey violated site policy. all others remain -mod]

      • [snip comment has been removed -mod]

        Glad to hear it.

        H.R. Ever heard of hate speech?

        I can stomach pretty much anything, but that doesn’t mean I – or others – should either accept or be subjected to it.

      • Kit asks H.R., “H.R. Ever heard of hate speech?”

        Yes indeedy, and I prefer to hear it and know who is saying it so I know where they stand and I can watch my back.

        Also, MarkW gives this definition of hate speech, “It usually means any speech that a leftist disagrees with.” However, I was referring to racial slurs, direct threats of violence, etc., but I do perceive that his definition is probably the more accurate description of use of the phrase, ‘Hate Speech.’

        Oh… and thanks, mod for the note on why the one comment was deleted. Site policy is clear to anyone who cares to read it. Much appreciated.

      • I’ve heard of hate speech. It usually means any speech that a leftist disagrees with.

        Absolute rubbish. However, the merchants of hate are usually on the far-right so perhaps you’re thinking of everyone left of that position? Are you far-right?

      • Kit Carruthers

        I’ve heard of hate speech. It usually means any speech that a leftist disagrees with.

        Absolute rubbish. However, the merchants of hate are usually on the far-right so perhaps you’re thinking of everyone left of that position? Are you far-right?

        No. But, you see, I have heard very little from the far left (self-called “progressives”, “Socialists”, “liberals”, and “leftists” ) EXCEPT hatred, jealousy, envy, economic and religious and racist-based bigotry. (Technically, I have NEVER heard anything EXCEPT hatred, jealousy, envy, economic and religious and racist-based bigotry from any liberal politician, “preacher” or “scientist” or “news-reader-and-writer, but there may have been a single quote that I’ve missed the past 24 years. So I will not claim absolutely that every “liberal progressive” world-wide is a hate-filled racist economically ignorant bigot, because one or two somewhere might be different.

        8<)

  81. Isn’t there a post on here about how the warmest are bracing for the worst? Let’s get this conference postponed. Maybe the weather will change in time for a rescheduled affair. If there is a next one. Seems like a lot of the major players were not going to play if no pay anyway.

    What a way to get it postponed.

  82. No-one will ever know if the mass inward migration of non-EU citizens into a borderless Europe has aided these terrorists in arriving (after all, Northern Irish terrorists managed to bomb Britain pretty effectively despite all kinds of border controls in the 1970s + 1980s), but one does suspect that the concept was always a flawed one. The question will arise as to whether France will ever stand down its border controls again once the immediate threats have subsided.

    As for ISIL, well, they emerged from our inveterate meddling and funding of disparate groups for 50 years, all of whom we knew full well to be murderous insurgents.

    We funded Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan and turned a blind eye when Saudi Arabia funded his programmes there. Not that Saudi Arabia has Western values, democracy or human rights. It has a Wahhabi Islamic Royal Family, its treatment of woman is a disgrace and its attitude to democracy non-existent. It agreed to prop up the petrodollar for Richard Nixon and ever since then, no American has been prepared to challenge any of their actions, no matter how anti-Western in nature.

    When we destroyed Iraq from 2003 onwards, we created mayhem and blithely assumed that peaceful democracy emerges from such mayhem. Sorry to inform you folks, that’s ‘real world politics 101’ contradicted right there. We didn’t go in there to serve human rights, democracy or anything else: we went in there to tell the Middle East that America was king and don’t you forget it, as revenge for 9/11. Well, out of that bombing emerged a state worse than Saddam Hussein’s, which was really a very, very long way from optimal, wasn’t it?? Good job in the State Department, Tony Blair’s Foreign Office etc etc……

    And so when that was done, we started funding insurgents in Syria to try and topple Bashar al Assad, who ran a stable, if highly unpleasant country with links to Russia, not America. If he had had close links to America, you would be telling the world what a good ally he was and forgotten how many people he killed, gassed or maimed. That’s what US/UK does. Those insurgents, who were they?? ISIL. That’s right, we funded the folks who are now Islamic State. You’d have thought after about 15 rounds of funding insurgents who turned into anti-western terrorists that CIA would have learned its lesson, but no. So that tells us that CIA’s policy is American policy and ‘geostrategic in nature’. It can’t be anything else, because it’s played out on every middle east front around. Including the now-failed state Libya, which was again a peaceful, stable country run by a highly unpleasant dictator called Gadaafi. Now I wonder how much oil and gas wealth can be put to productive use for the domestic economy now, eh?? Great job there too…….well played, all.

    Now if we believe in western values, we don’t believe in Monarchies espousing slavery, do we?? Oops. Strike one for US/UK foreign policy. We don’t believe in destroying the western oil industries through price wars, do we? Oops. Strike two for US/UK foreign policy. We don’t believe in cutting out a stable primary tumour to let huge numbers of invasive metastatic tumours run riot all over Europe, do we? Oops. Strike three for US/UK foreign policy.

    I think it’s fairly clear that, whether anyone at this site likes to believe it or not, New World Order elite foreign policy has been to create murderous mayhem all over the Middle East, then to over-run Europe to destroy it, so that global corporations can turn Europe into a subservient plaything for the remainder of the 21st century.

    And if that is true, no more of the ‘we’re benevolent nice people’.

    When will you get Massachusetts declaring that Texas and California must accept 5 million Mexican migrants, all of whom are entitled to immediate housing, social benefits and immediate access to all the infrastructures of schooling, healthcare etc??

    Do you think that would trigger Civil War MK II??

    Well that is where Europe is at right now, American friends…….

  83. Sorry but wrong poll at wrong time at wrong place! Skeptics would rather it not happen but most skeptics probably lean right so not letting terrorists get their way. So their vote is skewed that’s why the resust is 40/50

  84. “I blame global warming.”

    – Article – “Delusional Obama links climate change and terrorism”
    (File: “you could not make up this stuff”. Do I have to say “sarc off”?)

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/05/delusional_obama_links_climate_change_and_terrorism.html

    May 22, 2015
    Delusional Obama links climate change and terrorism
    By Daniel John Sobieski

    President Obama’s assertion in his commencement address to cadets at the U.S. Coast Guard Academy that the rise of ISIS in Syria and Boko Haram in Nigeria, and the brutality of both, is somehow linked to climate change shows just how dangerously detached from reality U.S. foreign policy has become.

    For those who wondered why upwards of two hundred thousand have died in Syria, Boko Haram abducts Christian schoolgirls, and ISIS beheads and burns people alive in its reign of terror, the president placed a major part of the blame on fossil fuels and your SUV.

    I understand climate change did not cause the conflicts we see around the world, yet what we also know is that severe drought helped to create the instability in Nigeria that was exploited by the terrorist group Boko Haram. It’s now believed that drought and crop failures and high food prices helped fuel the early unrest in Syria, which descended into civil war in the heart of the Middle East.

    Believed by whom? Those who think Elvis Presley and Jimmy Hoffa are alive running a donut shop in Idaho? Weather, which is what we used to call climate change, has played a pivotal role in world history, from the defeat of the Spanish Armada to Napoleon’s retreat from Moscow to the Normandy invasion and Battle of the Bulge in World War II. But it does not create tyranny and evil.

    There was no violence, there were no beheadings, there was no burning people alive during the American Dust Bowl of the 1930s. Groups like ISIS and Boko Haram are not out foraging for food. They are poster children for the evil that lurks in the world and that advances as we retreat from our global responsibilities and indulge in these irresponsible fantasies.

    ***********

    • Moderator – I’m pretty sure I posted my comment at the (then) bottom of the thread, but it appeared here as a reply to Eliza. Others have made similar observations.

      Is something wrong with the wattsup site?

      [We have had position changes generated by the “Reply To” buttons, but they are inconsistent, and are not specifically tracking to a single cause or program step. That we (collectively) don’t know the specific cause doesn’t mean we are not working on it, but it is cannot be solved with what we know right now. .mod]

      • In response to Allan MacRae, one of the moderators writes:

        [We have had position changes generated by the “Reply To” buttons, but they are inconsistent, and are not specifically tracking to a single cause or program step. That we (collectively) don’t know the specific cause doesn’t mean we are not working on it, but it is cannot be solved with what we know right now. .mod]

        Okay. So until a fix is effected, folks, try naming the discussants to whose posts you’re responding and perhaps pertinently quoting a little bit of the post the discussant has made.

        This way, if your post has problems due to “position changes” there won’t be too much difficulty for other readers (or the original discussant) in connecting the dots.

        Strictly speaking, pure science is about the search for the genuine causes of observable phenomena; politics is about gaining the authority to pursue favored outcomes. The method of science entails tolerance of and relentless but reasoned criticism of all views, including one’s own; the tools of politics include what urbanist Jane Jacobs calls “deception for the sake of the task.” Real science is about critically examining premises; pure politics is about defeating your opponent.

        In politics, you focus on that part of what is seen that supports your position, while in science, you try to get at the part of reality that is often not seen.

        — Sandy Ikeda, “Big Pharma and the Opposite of Science: The Seen and Unseen of Daraprim” The Freeman, 19 October 2015

  85. On poll

    In wake of terror attacks today, should the COP21 Paris Climate Conference be canceled?

    COP21 should have been cancelled before terrorist attacks occurred, on its own lack of merit, not now though. It should go ahead as planned.

    Unfortunately there is no such option in Update 6.

    BTW, this COP21 thing reminds me the 21st Universal Peace Congress, scheduled to September 1914 in Vienna, Austria. Of course the world would have been better with it, in spite of a planned procession of the armed forces and gathering of the old European aristocracy for a Viennese Waltz or two, than what actually happened.

  86. I note that Scottish Sceptic is predicting that COP21 will be cancelled. see; http://scottishsceptic.co.uk/

    One point that he does not mention is that the media may well be more interested in stories pertaining to the Paris terrorist attacks than to reporting on Climate talks that are likely to achieve nothing of substance. cAGW is reliant upon a willing MSM, and if they are reporting on other more pressing events, this will do the alarmists nofavour.

    As regards the general public, these attacks will put cAGW further down the list of priorities. the general public are likely to hold the view that World leaders have more important matters to address than the possibility that Climate change may cause some unknown harm many generations down the line.

  87. “If the only that you have is a hammer – then every problem looks like a nail”
    Well, we succeeded in deposing the leader of an essentially secular military regime. And much of that territory is now in the hands of Islamic extremists. Well done to us.
    Though, I notice that many contributors to this thread would prefer to imagine that the west played NO role.
    It is possible for a situation in global politics to have more than one contributing factor.
    Just as the climate is affected by numerous factors and not exclusively CO2 levels as claimed by alarmists.
    Known knowns, known unknowns and unknown unknowns…

    • I, for one, was strongly opposed to the second war in Iraq. Going into Afghanistan was justified, Iraq was not.
      In fact, after the first Gulf War, Bush the elder purposely avoided pursuing the Iraqi army/ Republican Guard back to Baghdad because he correctly surmised what would happen if Saddam was removed.
      As bad as he was, he was a bulwark against Iran. His removal created a huge vacuum, and many anticipated, correctly, that chaos would ensue if and when he was removed.
      The idea that if we hung around and built some roads and bridges and saw that elections were held, that democracy and everlasting peace would break out in Iraq was pure fantasy.

      • Absolutely Menicholas, it was widely understood that Iraq was an unnaturally enforced composite of several tribal groups and religious affiliations within a single territory, ruled over by a secular military despot. The regime was no great friend of islamic extremists.
        And western governments created an incentive for academics and disgruntled Iraqi ex-pats to proffer “evidence” of outrageous justification for deposing Saddam.
        Admittedly he wasn’t a saint – BUT we here know better than any people what happens when evidence is assembled to meet with a preferred agenda.
        I am suspicious of almost anything that I here on the topic.
        Even more so, now. Since history is written by the victors.
        Here in the EU we have learned nothing. Somebody made a list of bad things to be avoided in the future.
        It contained the words “power vacuum”.
        A decade later they banned hoovers over 700watt.
        A small misunderstanding perhaps!! :)

      • [My comments in brackets]

        Menicholas wrote:
        November 14, 2015 at 9:18 pm

        “I, for one, was strongly opposed to the second war in Iraq. Going into Afghanistan was justified, Iraq was not.”

        [I would have to disagree. The war in Iraq was justified. Saddam Insane had defied 17 United Nations Security Council resollutions demanding that he come clean about his WMD programs. It was *official* U.S. policy to remove Saddam Insane from power, signed into law by Bill Clinton in 1998. U.S. leaders were given information that led them to believe that Saddam had an active WMD program ongoing. ALL intelligence agencies in the world believed the same thing. Saddam Insane encouraged this view by others and actually convinced his own Iraqi generals that he had nuclear weapons ready to use, as part of his disinformation campaign, which worked very well indeed. Given those circumstantces, a U.S. president would have been derelict in his duty if he had not taken military action against Saddam Insane. Among other things, 500 TONS of yellowcake uranium were removed from Iraq after the war.]

        “In fact, after the first Gulf War, Bush the elder purposely avoided pursuing the Iraqi army/ Republican Guard back to Baghdad because he correctly surmised what would happen if Saddam was removed.”

        [Bush 41 was a very reluctant warrior. He should have finished the job and removed Saddam, instead of leaving the cleanup to his son. Bush 41 caused us an extra war with his timidity.]

        As bad as he was, he was a bulwark against Iran.

        [Saddam isn’t the only thing that can serve as a bulwark against Iran. I think the U.S. military would do a much better, more humane job.]

        His removal created a huge vacuum, and many anticipated, correctly, that chaos would ensue if and when he was removed.

        [No, what created the huge vacuum was Obama pulling U.S. combat troops out of Iraq. Iraq was doing just fine when President George W. Bush was in charge. Lots of smiling Iraqis on TV showing off their ink-stained digits they got after voting in the first free elections held in Iraq. Lots of little shop keepers in Baghdad starting up their businesses and making money. People starting to get sufficient electricity. Then along came King Obama, who bailed out of Iraq and threw them to the terrorist wolves. George W. Bush described, in 2007, the horrors that would take place in Iraq if American troops left too early. King Obama didn’t listen, washed his hands of Iraq, left too early, and the terrorists turned Iraq into a bloodbath, an ongoing bloodbath, which is causing lots of refugees to overrun Europe. Twenty-five thousand American combat troops left in Iraq could have prevented ALL of that. The Islamic Terror Army would never have gotten a foothold in Iraq. Obama himself said today in Turkey that it WAS possible to send in large numbers of American troops who would certainly destroy the Islamic Terror Army, but he said he didn’t want to do that because it would mean he would have to stay in Iraq. So he would rather allow tens of thousands of innocents to be murdered and hundreds of thousands to be displaced by terrorist attacks because it would be a bother for him to administer Iraq through a crisis.]

        “The idea that if we hung around and built some roads and bridges and saw that elections were held, that democracy and everlasting peace would break out in Iraq was pure fantasy.”

        [It wasn’t pure fantasy, it happened, until Iraq was abandoned by Obama. Nation Building is ESSENTIAL to our national security. Iraq is a very good example of what happens when you abandon nation building. And nation building works every time it is tried, like in Europe after World War II, and in Japan, and in South Korean, and in South Vietnam. Oops! That’s right, we abandoned nation building in South Vietnam, and look what happened to it, it descended into chaos and death just like Iraq. If we really want to solve our current situation in the Middle East, the United States would put as many troops as is necessary (50,000 combat troops) into the area in order to completely destroy the Islamic Terror Army, and then we can reduce troop numbers down to about 25,000 and keep them there for the indefinite future, until the situation is settled to our liking. Giving terrorists options is not an option. If the United States is not prepared to stick it out to the very end, and that includes nation building, then we deserve to lose. In some situations, only force will work. The terrorists only understand force, and we need to give them more than they can handle.]

        TA

  88. Stupid Leftist governments allowed this to happen by allowing 1,000,000 Muslims “refugees” to invade Europe, of which, many were Jihadist terrorists.

    ISIS used this “refugee” crisis as a means to infiltrate Europe with 1,000’s or even 10’s of thousands of new Jihadist terrorists.

    I knew there would be a spike in terrorist activities following the huge flood of Muslims into Europe, but I thought the attacks would only occur after the invasion of Muslims was finally stopped Euopean governments, so as to maximize the number of terrorists the Jihadists could infiltrate into Europe…

    From a tactical perspective, I can’t understand why ISIS would start the terrorists attacks so early when the Muslim invasion was working so well to their advantage…

    I can only presume the Jihadists feel they’ve already achieved a sufficient number of terrorists in Europe to fulfill their goal of destabilizing Europe..

    This is not going to end well…

    Wish me well, as I have to visit Europe on business in a few weeks..

    I’m no longer looking forward to this trip…

  89. If you want to know the truth about Clinton and Benghazi, listen to Robert Spencer. Spencer is the world’s greatest authority on the history of Islam.

    Robert Spencer on Clinton:

  90. As I have been saying, the European nations have much greater concerns than global warming. They face an existential threat thanks to that idiot (?) Merkel.

  91. dbstealey November 13, 2015 at 8:04 pm
    Donald Trump’s proposals:
    The fence was approved in 2006!!
    The bill to build the fence was passed by congress in 2006 with Democratic support and signed by Bush.
    As soon as Obama took office he cancelled the fence saying it would not work. What did he have in mind with that statement? Although all 700 miles were not funded, what happened to the funding?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/29/AR2006092901912.html
    “The Senate gave final approval last night to legislation authorizing the construction of 700 miles of double-layered fencing on the U.S.-Mexico border, shelving President Bush’s vision of a comprehensive overhaul of U.S. immigration laws in favor of a vast barrier.

    The measure was pushed hard by House Republican leaders, who badly wanted to pass a piece of legislation that would make good on their promises to get tough on illegal immigrants, despite warnings from critics that a multibillion-dollar fence would do little to address the underlying economic, social and law enforcement problems, or to prevent others from slipping across the border. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) surprised many advocates of a more comprehensive approach to immigration problems when he took up the House bill last week.

    But in Congress’s rush to recess last night for the fall political campaigns, the fence bill passed easily, 80 to 19, with 26 Democrats joining 54 Republicans in support. One Republican, Sen. Lincoln D. Chafee (R.I.); one independent, Sen. James M. Jeffords (Vt.); and 17 Democrats opposed the bill. The president has indicated that he will sign it.”

  92. dbstealey November 13, 2015 at 8:04 pm
    Donald Trump’s proposals:
    The fence was approved in 2006!!
    The bill to build the fence was passed by congress in 2006 with Democratic support and signed by Bush.
    As soon as Obama took office he cancelled the fence saying it would not work. What did he have in mind with that statement? Although all 700 miles were not funded, what happened to the funding?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/29/AR2006092901912.html
    “The Senate gave final approval last night to legislation authorizing the construction of 700 miles of double-layered fencing on the U.S.-Mexico border, shelving President Bush’s vision of a comprehensive overhaul of U.S. immigration laws in favor of a vast barrier.

    The measure was pushed hard by House Republican leaders, who badly wanted to pass a piece of legislation that would make good on their promises to get tough on illegal immigrants, despite warnings from critics that a multibillion-dollar fence would do little to address the underlying economic, social and law enforcement problems, or to prevent others from slipping across the border. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) surprised many advocates of a more comprehensive approach to immigration problems when he took up the House bill last week.

    But in Congress’s rush to recess last night for the fall political campaigns, the fence bill passed easily, 80 to 19, with 26 Democrats joining 54 Republicans in support. One Republican, Sen. Lincoln D. Chafee (R.I.); one independent, Sen. James M. Jeffords (Vt.); and 17 Democrats opposed the bill. The president has indicated that he will sign it.”

  93. By it´s charter United Nations were supposed to
    – To maintain international peace and security…
    – To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples …
    – To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character,
    – To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends.

    There should be no doubt that peace and security should be the main focus of United Nations.

    “The UN was not created to take mankind to heaven, but to save humanity from hell.”
    — Dag Hammarskjöld, Secretary-General from 1953 to 1961

    Rather than paying full attention to its charter, it´s mission – the reason for it´s existence – United Nations has developed into a bureaucracy. A bureaucracy which has degraded into organizations providing humanity with products having a disgraceful lack value, like:
    “Standard for Llama/Alpaca Meat”
    http://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trade/agr/standard/meat/e/Llama_2008_e_Publication.pdf

    But United Nations has become more than a bureaucracy. A particular part of United Nations has developed into a idiocracy. This part is called United Nations Framework on Climate Change (UNFCCC). An idiocracy demonstrated by it´s endorsement of unscientific guidance to use subjective statements within science and base its work on the unscientific principles of consensus. Here are some glaring monuments over inductivism and justificationism:
    http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/ipcc-principles/ipcc-principles.pdf
    https://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/supporting-material/uncertainty-guidance-note.pdf

    The Conference of the Parties COP21 in Paris, (arranged by United Nations Framework on Climate Change (UNFCCC),) will for ever stand as a glaring monument over the departure of United Nations from it´s charter. A glaring monument over the rise of bureaucracy and idiocracy.

  94. Worse than 2 degrees of global warming in 100 years
    ==========================
    2 million degrees warming in the blink of an eye.

    It is only an matter of time before the major cities of the western world are subject to a coordinated attack by nuclear weapons smuggled in by Islamic fundamentalists bought and paid for by oil money.

    Every dollar the US and EU send to the middle east to buy oil is simply another nail in the millions of coffins that are on their way. Anyone that thinks the millions of refuges created by the years of war in the Middle East will think kindly towards the West best think again.

    If your country was bombed by country X, and then you were accepted as a refugee into country X, what would you think of country X? Would you be happy they took you in? Or would you be thinking revenge? And what if your holly book said God was on your side?

    Will it be tomorrow? Perhaps not. But it will happen long before Climate Change is a problem.

  95. The horrifying events in Paris only reinforce the need to address climate change.
    A study published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences in March says drought in Syria, exacerbated to record levels by global warming, pushed social unrest in that nation across a line into an open uprising in 2011. The terrorists in Paris almost certainly were radicalized by the situation in Syria.
    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-change-hastened-the-syrian-war/

    • oh sure, all good terrorists believe that global warming is the greatest threat in the world …

      you really need to read more broadly

      • Who said anything about terrorists believing that global warming is the greatest threat? It doesn’t matter whether the terrorists believe it or not. The fact is that environmental disasters (which are exacerbated by global warming) leads to social unrest. When social unrest occurs in the middle east, that often results in the breakdown of social institutions and the rise of terrorist organizations.

    • Can’t find the article, but the take was that increased population and poor water management, not drought specifically (as droughts do recur periodically in all regions) was the cause of some food issues. However, the supposed real reasons for the Syrian war was the encouragement of greater educational reforms by Assad’s wife. But apparently students didn’t quite realize what the effect of their new freedoms would have on the Mukhabarat (Syrian military Intelligence) which is very influential in Syrian politics but is supposed to be controlled by the President. The serious problems started when the Mukhabarat began to capture, torture and kill “radicals” and leave them in the streets as warnings (kind of like Mexican drug gangs).

      • Have to add that if the Mukhabarat are really in charge of Syria to this degree, then it will do little good to replace Assad.

    • Luke, you took step one and came upon this site. You could get an education on this Global #1 site on climate science (this thread on the Paris T-attack is unusual here and only treated here because it is a major story and the cop21 bunfest on global warming is to take place in Paris). Your contributions are naive and show your gullibility in the face of propaganda. Even quoting the totally degraded scientific american here is a symptom and the huff post is an instrument only for that purpose. You have a duty to detoxify yourself of the lefty Kindergarten to Grad School group think education you (and most of us) received. Don’t waste this opportunity with these cliche points.

      • Interesting that you and others here accept uncritically the few published studies that are consistent with your view point (increasing ice mass in Antarctica, for instance) but anything in the peer-reviewed literature that is counter to your point of view (about 97% of it) you dismiss as “leftist propaganda”. Now tell me, who are the “true believers”?

      • Luke. We don’t have to uncritically accept the result of Zwally’s Antarctic result.
        It’s mere existence demonstrates that the science is evolving that this is not “settled science”.
        The result is based on precise satellite measurement and analysis – BUT, it not only differs from previous estimates in magnitude, but in sign. i.e. it is the precise opposite.
        Its mere existence crushes any suggestion that the “science is settled”.
        We did not say that the “science is settled” in our favour.
        The alarmists claimed that the “science is settled” in their favour.
        Whether the Zwally result proves water-tight can not trouble skeptics.
        It can only hurt the pride and arrogance of the “science is settled” buffoons.
        Whether is it ultimately shown to be superior to the IPCC estimates, or not.
        Take it from me – when a major state of the art study from a well known climate alarmist scientist tells us that 90% of the earth’s land based ice is not shrinking, as formerly believed, but growing in size, then the science is NOT settled.
        That’s all that we need to know.

    • The situation/war in Syria had everything to do with Assad getting heavy handed with unarmed protesters. Sending out his tanks and using live ammo was his version of “let them eat cake”. End of story.

      • But what started the uprising in the first place? Drought and crop failure displaced hundreds of thousands of Syrians to the cities where they could not find jobs. When they started protesting against Assad and his regime, he came down on them with a heavy hand. The drought (exacerbated by climate change) started it all.

      • If a drought had anything to do with it, and i think it maybe did, it was not drought in the Mideast region at all, but the one in the US.
        When the US congress instituted the ethanol mandate in 2005, and increased it so substantially in 2007, the price of corn and other grains shot upwards, and over time the worldwide stockpiles and supplies of these foodstuffs were greatly reduced.

        http://murphycofutures.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Corn-Chart-01Jul14.bmp

        The price did fall back down some after the economic collapse and associated commodity price collapse in late 2008, but spiked right back up when the US began to be gripped by the drought of 2010. Alarmist warnings of this being a new normal did not help of course, and greatly fed into the speculative fever driving at least some of the spike in futures prices.
        Prices did not regain sane levels until the drought busting rains returned to much of the US in 2013 and 2014, and continued into 2015.

        My thesis is that the sharp uptick in worldwide grain prices caused primarily by the US decision to divert substantial and increasing amounts of food and farmland towards producing motor fuel, (which BTW has no economic, environmental, or resource conservation justification) led directly to the Arab Spring uprisings in 2010 and beyond. Food riots and economic disruption followed the price spikes, and those places most vulnerable to this shock wave experienced significant economic and political turmoil as a result.

        So, if you want to know where to look for blame, look at the misguided policies provoked by so called green environmentalists, who forced policies which were neither green or environmentally sound, and which have proved to be a costly economic and political disaster both here in the US, and far abroad.

    • Luke November 14, 2015 at 6:16 am
      “. . . says drought in Syria, exacerbated to record levels by global warming, . . . .”

      The temperature of the global atmosphere has been flat, or nearly flat, throughout this century.

      • When you account for temperatures across the entire globe (including the Arctic, which is the part of the planet warming fastest), the global surface warming trend for 1997–2012 is approximatley 0.11 to 0.12°C per decade (Cowtan and Way 2013). I am sure you will come back with the RRS and UAH satellite temperature records. Here is a detailed explanation of the problems associated with using satellites to estimate surface temperatures.
        http://www.scottchurchdirect.com/docs/MSU-Troposphere-Review01.pdf

  96. The question is a bit mistated. The conference is a waste of time.e and money, it should be cancelled regardless of what is going on in Paris.

    • Also criminality increased before and increased even more with François Hollande and the last thing France needs is to have to protect thousands of “delegates”. The police and army were already on the knees.

  97. The organizers of COP21 can’t make such a grand gesture as the US President’s announcement that steps have been taken to expedite the processing of 40,000 Islamic refugees to the US, but they can express their outreach in other ways. COP21 could easily organize walking tours of the 5th arrondissement, emphasizing the explorations of exotic side streets near Rue Geoffroy Saint-Hilaire and exotic residential areas of Barbes- Rochechouart.

    • oops posted inadvertently before completion… should have read… Barbes- Rouchechouart station, on their way to Montmartre.

  98. Obama won’t lead, maybe France will.
    ============================
    it really says something about the US if France is taking the lead in military action.

    Obama’s “junior varsity” comment regarding ISIS shows the US continues to misunderstand and underestimate the danger.

    IS may well be small compared to the US. It may well be a mosquito. But it is a mosquito carrying malaria. Or worse, Ebola or HIV. A disease that is deadly to whomever gets bitten.

    Hand waving doesn’t cut it. It may scare the mosquito off for awhile, but as soon as your back is turned it is going to try and bite you.

    The mosquito isn’t going to compromise. You either kill the mosquito or it will kill you. Because the mosquito doesn’t care what happens to you. It cares only for itself. Nothing you can do or say will ever change that.

    • ferdberple wrote:

      it really says something about the US if France is taking the lead in military action”

      Well, actually it says something about Obama, not the U.S. Obama and his delusional world view is the problem.

      The last poll I saw said 60 percent of Americans supported putting American boots on the ground in Iraq and Syria to stop the Islamic Terror Army. The percentage would be higher than that if our national leadership were to promote such an idea instead of constantly throwing cold water on it.

      Yes, it is unprecedented that a U.S. president will not lead in this situation, but it is happening. Obama is not going to do any more militarily that he absolutely has to do. Which means someone else is going to have to take the lead if there is going to be any effective action against the Islamic Terror Army over the next 14 months. Obama has washed his hands of the area, and he’s not going back.

      He’s leaving a terrible mess for his successor and all the rest of us.

      TA

    • Ferdberple. I would not assume Obama underestimates the danger. I think he knows it and sympathies more with the Islamist views than the views of most Americans. He told us in his book what he was going to do.

      • Writes Leonard Lane:

        I would not assume Obama underestimates the danger. I think he knows it and sympathizes more with the Islamist views than the views of most Americans. He told us in his book what he was going to do.

        And in his book, Mr. Alinsky told us how.

        All that fills the hearts and minds of socialists is a white-hot rage that can never be satisfied, and can’t be penetrated by rational thought processes. The fact that socialism has a proven track record, a long history of failing miserably every time, everywhere it has been imposed on those too weak or stupid to resist it, usually collapsing afterward in raw bloodshed and fiery destruction, is not a fatal criticism to those who adore it and tend to idolize its demagogic champions. Instead, for the disappointed inner nihilist that lurks deep within each of them, that horrible failure constitutes a kind of testimony.

        Barack Obama has come to them, not — as some half-witted comedian recently suggested — as Jesus Christ the Savior, but as Shiva the Destroyer. And because revenge is sweeter to this kind of broken soul than personal advancement, because there are people who would rather squat in their own excrement and throw rocks than rise up and knap those rocks into something useful, they vote for the Destroyer every time.

        Meanwhile, Freedom sits like an old man on a wooden bench in the filthy corridor of some communist hospital ward, quietly waiting to die.

        The socialist movement knows what it wants, and seldom deviates from the pursuit of its objectives. Unfortunately, those who only wish to be left alone, to one degree or another, by society and government, are not united in what they want from life, nor should they be — but it makes it very hard to defend freedom from those who hate and fear it.

        — L. Neil Smith, “Lest Darkness Triumph” (2 December 2012)

  99. the creation of the perception that they are doing something when they are doing nearly nothing
    =============
    the very definition of government workers.

    • I have noticed this post jumbling on other threads, also (within the past week). I return to review what I wrote and the post of someone AFTER mine is (and it is not due to the “Reply” nesting) just above it with a LATER time stated and the commenter is not a person likely to go to auto-moderation and there were no words that would even come close to triggering moderation AND, again, the time stated is LATER, but, the post appears above mine.

      Not a big deal, just weird! :)

      • This seems to happen when posts from trolls are deleted.
        I have seen it several times before, and all the times it was after posts were deleted.

  100. The headlines announce “FRENCH President Francois Hollande has declared war on Islamic State” and he’ll be “merciless” with those who had anything to do with this atrocity. Then in the next breath we hear his Govt has banned any demonstrations or gatherings by French citizens til at least Thursday.

    Way to go free French men and women. Basically stay calm, roll over and stay in lockdown like good little French citizens and don’t forget this is just an isolated lone wolf terrorist attack by a bunch of lone wolf terrorists and we don’t want you upsetting all the good Muslims rolling up while your outraged elites get merciless on your behalf.

    Now where have I heard that response before?

  101. Interesting things happening with this thread.

    You answer a post, and your reply ends up somewhere else entirely. You post a video, and half an hour later a completely different video takes its place. Has WUWT been hacked or bugged?

    R

  102. It’s all tragically frustrating.
    By the time people wake up and realize that borders and national identity were actually quite a good idea – it will be too late. Even the mainstream take on this latest atrocity is thin on analysis and heavy on pointless and useless symbolism.
    Except that they mentioned that it is believed that one of the attackers entered Europe along the migrant route from Turkey, through a Greek Island.
    No interpretation was made of this. No implications were drawn.
    Just more clumsy symbolism about standing shoulder to shoulder with the French etc.
    French values are our values.
    Which I suppose also means that French subversive leftist ideology is our subversive leftist ideology.
    And that the French censorship on rational enquiry in the media is our censorship on rational enquiry in the media.
    Modern Europe, built by engineers, destroyed by dumb ideas.

  103. “What happened in Paris yesterday can of course happen in any society that, like France, prides itself in having so many “gun-free zones” that render the population defenseless against madmen and murderers who pay no attention to their “gun control” laws.” ~ Thomas DiLorenzo — economics professor at Loyola University

    As usual there have been good comments on this thread along with utter mindless drivel. It always amazes me how uneducated Americans are about the history of the world. Even recent history. One could better understand the world if one would listen to the economists and historians of the Austrian School and read the radical libertarians like M. Rothbard, H. Hoppe, or W. Block.

    On the plus side, someone mentioned Von Mises up-thread! And then even Mencken! Ah, at least one rational commenter here! (a little joke there — it is not over the top)

    ~ Mark S.

  104. He wasn’t talking about Israel; he was talking about weakening whatever the dominant culture is of the host country in which the Jews reside. A good way to do that is with unrestricted immigration of people who will not assimilate.

    That ‘strategic interest’ is something all Jews agree on.

  105. Don’t know about the poll.
    I do not think the meeting of Paris-ites will serve any honest citizen any where.
    They smell like eco-terrorists to me, using a softer approach to potentially kill a lot more people.

    However if they cancel then the other terrorists have won.

    What I will be entertained by, in a macabre way, is how those politicians, who have insisted that Climate Change is the most dangerous threat to civil society, will spin their failure to attend.

  106. The ludicrous irony of it all is that world leaders are gathering in Paris to discuss and spend billions on a non problem when the greatest threat to the peace and harmony of the civilised world is radical Islam.

  107. Men in groups are susceptible to a weird group madness. Men can create idiotic, purposeless, paradigms which are completely removed from reality.

    “War is a monster,” he says, almost to himself. ‘War is the devil”, almost to himself. It starts and its consumes and it grows and grows and grows.” He’s is looking at me now. “And otherwise normal men become monsters, too.”

    Perhaps, however, madness is madness. Would you fight to defend your home, your family? Is there something worth dying for? How does one defeat madness?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot

    The Khmer Rouge leadership boasted over the state-controlled radio that only one or two million people were needed to build the new agrarian socialist utopia. As for the others, as their proverb put it, “To keep you is no benefit, to destroy you is no loss.”[36]

    Hundreds of thousands of the new people, and later the depositees, were taken out in shackles to dig their own mass graves. Then the Khmer Rouge soldiers buried them alive. A Khmer Rouge extermination prison directive ordered, “Bullets are not to be wasted.” Such mass graves are often referred to as “the Killing Fields”.

    The Khmer Rouge also classified people by religious and ethnic background. They banned all religion and dispersed minority groups, forbidding them to speak their languages or to practice their customs.[citation needed] They especially targeted Buddhist monks, Muslims, Christians, Western-educated intellectuals, educated people in general, people who had contact with Western countries or with Vietnam, disabled people, and the ethnic Chinese, Laotians, and Vietnamese. Some were put in the S-21 camp for interrogation involving torture in cases where a confession was useful to the government. Many others were summarily executed.

  108. The French state can not guarantee the safety of the 40000 delegates. An attack on them would be a major pr coup for terrorists and a disaster for the French state and humanity.

    I would expect the climate summit in the format Currently proposed will need to be postponed.

    Tonyb

    Tony, you obviously are NOT paying attention. I’m sorry to have to talk down to you…and be so patronizing, but according to our “Chief” there is something MORE important than TERRORISM! It is “Climate Change” (the new cockroach moniker for Gorebull warming.) Therefore the terrorists need to be ignored. It’s IMPERATIVE that the Paris conference goes on. I’m sure the security forces in France can keep them safe. After all, the country of the Maginot line and the brilliance thereof, can certainly handle a few “disfranchised youth”. So please, get with the equation.

  109. Of course they are going. They are on a mission to save planet Earth and this is their last chance. This is not just some sort of boondoggle. Suggesting anyone would cancel would make them the worst kinds of hypocritical cowards. Remember, this problem is much more serious than terrorism as the president of the United States has already articulated.

  110. ISIL would never disturb COP12, they know the quisling cAGW cabal are in league to bring down western civil society.

  111. Bernie Sanders, at the Democratic debate…a day after the massacres in Paris stated emphatically that Climate Change is a greater threat than Terrorism…that Climate Change FUELS such events.
    Excuse me?
    The levels of duplicity it takes to make such a link are quite scary. To be so brazen as to exploit the horror on such a stage and twist it to suit your own political ends….well I guess that’s what all these disgusting politicians do.
    The ‘climate change causes wars’ meme was created by a warped article in the NYT earlier this year…(who would have guessed?)..and has been jumped on by the most powerful politicians in the world who are prepared to use it in any way they see fit.
    Dis Gus Ting

  112. >>>>> [WordPress has major problems with comment time stamps. ~mod]

    It’s for this reason that it seems best to quote a pertinent portion of the post to which response is being made, and mention the name of the discussant who had authored same.

    The only problem with using the “blockquote” function to this purpose is that stuff which is “blockquoted” doesn’t seem to get into the e-mail messages alerting participants to the new material “up” on the thread.

    A purely technical matter of which it WordPress might be advised, no?

  113. As of now, the French president has declared the climate summit will go on as scheduled. Too important of an issue. So now the spin masters are blaming the attacks on OPEC and big oil to get the conference cancelled. That’s it! As if, let’s see, who probably won’t be attending with any intent, Russia, China, India, Indonesia…. Then the whole affair will be between the west, led by the groveling US, and a whole bunch of 3rd world countries looking for payola. Other countries like Japan, S. Korea, Australia, and a European country or two that are now broke will be less than enthusiastic.

    In other news, another “exciting and rare event ” is scheduled for Tuesday out west here. In anticipation of the hoards of people who will make the trip to see (probably more than a solar eclipse ).. I have set up lawn chairs to experience this first hand. So many people will want to see this that no one will want to fly out of Denver, so I think the airlines will cancel flights. A lot of people ” just don’t know what snow looks like”.

    A series of man made tragedies. A made up climate change, government’s that allow people who are less than peaceful into countries where people who are, and people who think that killing people is what their god approves of. …. I have a question, how did they get such weapons in a country where those kind of weapons are banned? I’m sure most French wouldn’t have a clue where to get such weapons.

  114. I’m astounded that the normally oh, so, skeptical participants here can so credulously swallow whole unproven claims from sources known for their unreliability.

    Watching this terrorist scenario unfold took me back to the Charlie Hebdo episode, which had the hallmark signs of false flag operations – no claim of authorship by the supposed terrorist masterminds and no survivors to debrief. Just like 9/11, in fact.

    Perhaps the Charlie event was too finely focused to fully engage the French and other Europeans, Maybe that incident left too many doubts about the authorship. It seems that this time there will be some suspects to “interrogate”, and we have, rather belatedly (certainly compared to the explosion on the Russian airliner) claim of authorship. At least, so we are told.

    But lets look for some facts. Are the any? Will the public ever have an opportunity in the near future, if ever, to examine the authenticity of the reported ISIS claim that it masterminded this massacre? Will we ever have a chance to review the confessions and debriefings of the arrested suspects, none of whom, so far, are even purported to have been directly involved? You can be certain the answer is “never”.

    The only fact that is indisputable is that this is the greatest boost the promoters of the international police state have received since 9/11. And the “free” press is jumping on the bandwagon with abandon. Surely we should be showing a bit more skepticism here.

    As long as we’re going to discuss such vague concepts as “international terrorism”, let’s consider first, how a ragtag amateur army with no secure base within any national boundaries, and seemingly without support from any nation, can mount a successful war against two national armies supplied and supported by two of the world’s most powerful nations.

    Let’s think about who stands to gain by a dismemberment of Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon, and what the redrawn map of the region would look like.

    • @dbstealey

      “Check out this point of view.”

      I did skim through it, and it makes me think there are also a lot of people on “our” side who are just itching for an excuse to slaughter other people.

      Today I happened to watch a French movie about the St. Bartholomew massacre in Paris, 1572, in which the Catholic townspeople pitched in to murder all the Huguenot “heretics” they could get their hands on.

      If anyone thinks things have really changed that much, just think back a couple of decades to the civil war in Yugoslavia.

      If, as is claimed by the French press, 1500 French citizens have left France to join ISIS in Syria, France has a problem that won’t be solved by firepower. Taking hundreds of thousands of able bodied young Arabs into Europe isn’t going to help the situation a bit either.

      I doubt Big Brother has the tools to stop suicidal individuals from running amok. But that realization certainly won’t stop expansion of police and military expenditures and recruitment. And there’s a limit to how much policing our society can support without grinding to a halt.

      • otropogo says:

        Taking hundreds of thousands of able bodied young Arabs into Europe isn’t going to help the situation a bit either.

        You got that right. And the Administration is taking them into the U.S. by the millions (while barring any Christian immigrants from the Middle East, which are the real victims). President Obama just doubled down; his Administration is actively promoting and encouraging much greater numbers of Muslim invaders immigrants.

        The link I posted pointed out who they think is actually behind the terrorism. Right or wrong, it’s a view worth considering. The question that should always be asked: Cui bono? They gave a credible answer. Right or wrong? I’m still not sure.

        Also, the Paris attack was not by ‘individuals’, it was a highly coordinated attack that had clearly been planned for a while.

        I’m certainly not advocating the demonization of any particular race of people, or any group defined by their language. But I see the religion of Islam as a central problem. Islam specifically gives permission to commit these atrocities, and in fact, it openly encourages the wanton slaughter innocent people. That is intolerable. And have you heard any Islamist or group denounce what happened? I sure haven’t.

        For those reasons I would support any finding or conclusion by any country or world body that Islam is an outlaw religion. All support; financial, governmental, and by groups or charities or by any other means, must be withdrawn until Islam either renounces terrorist actions, or they are so marginalized that being a member of that evil sect forecloses any possibility of someone getting employment by any government, or any tax breaks, or any other benefits of civilized society. A good start would be to assess a new tax on mosques and other organs of that religion.

        I know I’m still in the minority with those suggestions. But attacks like this make more and more folks begin thinking like that. And when Islamist terrorists get hold of nukes, I’ll be part of a large majority.

  115. Gary Pearse
    November 14, 2015 at 7:45 pm

    In reference to Ronald Reagan’s presidency, you wrote:

    “Well, it turned out rather well.”

    Yes, I agree; it turned out rather well for the very wealthy, along with the myth and image makers, and those intoxicated by their efforts, but for those of us with modest means, who dwell in reality rather than in myths, I suggest the so-called “Great Communicator’s” presidency was a disaster for the United States of America.

    Under President Ronald Reagan, the U.S. became a debtor nation for the first time since WWI after his tax cuts for the wealthy. In order to make up the budgetary shortfall, he cut government services, and raised taxes on the middle class eleven times, including the largest tax increase in U.S. history.

    Under Reagan, the national debt increased from just under $1 trillion to almost $3 trillion. Despite his promises to reduce the size of the federal government, the number of federal employees grew under his administrations.

    “The budget for the Department of Education, which candidate Reagan promised to abolish along with the Department of Energy, has more than doubled to $22.7 billion, Social Security spending has risen from $179 billion in 1981 to $269 billion in 1986. The price of farm programs went from $21.4 billion in 1981 to $51.4 billion in 1987, a 140% increase. And this doesn’t count the recently signed $4 billion “drought-relief” measure. Medicare spending in 1981 was $43.5 billion; in 1987 it hit $80 billion. Federal entitlements cost $197.1 billion in 1981—and $477 billion in 1987.”

    https://mises.org/library/sad-legacy-ronald-reagan-0

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-ronald-reagans-legacy/2011/02/04/ABs1qxQ_story.html


    (through 2011 for Obama)

    There was also that little matter of trading arms for hostages, negotiating with the Iranians before the election (that by itself is treason), signing into law amnesty for illegal aliens…

    The reported attacks in Paris raise the question of motive, and as always, the telling question is who profits from this atrocity? The French had announced deployment of an aircraft carrier to the Syrian coast, and it was reported earlier this year that Hollande’s France had delivered arms to Syrian rebels trying to topple Syrian president Bashar al-Assad, in breach of an EU embargo on such activities. Hmmm.

    (Libya was another story, with then-French president Sarkozy leading the call for a no-fly zone over Libya after Gaddafi had threatened to release some naughty details about Sarkozy.)

    • “after Gaddafi had threatened to release some naughty details about Sarkozy”

      And we are still waiting for these details.

      Why would you kill someone who has “naughty details” about you?

      Doesn’t make much sense, does it?

    • Obama will have doubled the national debt by the time he leaves. It was $10 trillion in 2009. Now it’s $18 Tr.

    • During his term I lived in the UK. On UK TV there was a great satirical show called “Spitting Image”. He was never shown to be all that great from memory. He was clueless and Thatcher was a thug.

  116. And now – overnight – we have the disgusting spectacle of citizens fleeing when gunfire (apparent gunfire) is heard. These poor sods can’t turn and face the threat because they have nothing to face the threat with having been disarmed by their government. When will we ever learn? How successful do you think Paris style attacks would be in Houston?

  117. French sleuths have found a Syrian passport – which multiple sources say is fake – linking one of the dead terrorists to Syria, and apparently, ISIS.

    A fake passport found beside a suicide bomber after the attack at France’s national stadium was apparently used to enter Europe less than two months ago on a route taken by hundreds of thousands of refugees and migrants.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/15/why-syrian-refugee-passport-found-at-paris-attack-scene-must-be-treated-with-caution

    Syrian passports found near the bodies of two of the suspected Paris attackers were fakes that were likely made in Turkey, police sources in France told Channel 4 News on Sunday.

    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/syrian-passports-found-scene-paris-attacks-fakes-made-turkey-police-520642631

    PARIS—France launched extensive airstrikes against Islamic State’s stronghold in Syria on Sunday evening, responding with the force vowed by the government when it blamed the Paris terrorist attacks on the extremist group.

    The airstrikes delivered 20 bombs to two targets in Raqqa, in northern Syria, a French defense official said. The bombs targeted a command center, including an arms depot and a recruiting post, and a training camp, the official said.

    The 12 aircraft involved in the strikes flew from both Jordan and the United Arab Emirates, said another French official.

    –WS Journal

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-providing-targeting-intelligence-to-france-for-strikes-on-islamic-state-after-paris-attacks-1447618522

    What I didn’t know was the French have been conducting air strikes in Syria since September 27, 2015.

    Speaking in New York, Mr Hollande said a political solution was needed to end the Syrian crisis, but President Bashar al-Assad could not be part of it.

    France, like the UK, has previously confined its air strikes against the Islamic State group to Iraqi airspace.

    The UK announced earlier this month it had carried out a drone strike against two British citizens in Syria but has yet to fly manned operations in Syrian airspace.

    France had previously maintained that international law prevented it from attacking targets in Syria – Paris was adamant that it would do nothing to help, even indirectly, the Assad government, says the BBC’s Hugh Schofield in Paris.

    But the French government has now accepted that getting rid of Mr Assad is no longer the priority and the fight against IS trumps everything else, our correspondent says.

    –BBC

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34372892

    Meanwhile, in Antalya, Turkey world leaders have convened for G20 summit, where Obama and Putin reportedly huddled for a 35 minute meeting.

    • I know, I know; my post got buried way up here instead of down at the bottom where I posted it because “WordPress has major problems with comment time stamps”.

      Ah so.

  118. Just got back from a trip to Dubbo in the western Division of NSW.
    Everything is flourishing and green.The prognostications about this El Nino have yet to eventuate.
    Paris COP could have a true carbon neutral conference by either cancelling it or doing most of it on Skype.
    Just think of the safety aspects for themselfs as well as for the Planet

  119. $100 bucks says the border closing and increased security will be used to prevent ‘skeptics’ from entering France, especially key speakers. ‘Security’ as cover for suppression. And the globalist media will say only ‘U.S. signs on!’ in obnoxious headlines everywhere. And PM Trudeau will become the new media darling. This looks baaaad.

  120. dbstealey says

    “…But I see the religion of Islam as a central problem. Islam specifically gives permission to commit these atrocities, and in fact, it openly encourages the wanton slaughter innocent people. That is intolerable. And have you heard any Islamist or group denounce what happened? I sure haven’t….”

    I see religion of any kind as a central problem, the abandonment of reason in favour of dogma. One of my constant nightmares is that all the fundamentalist sects of the world realize that their core taboos are quite similar, and that their real enemies are people who think rationally and act on the conclusions that follow.

    Western Europe has struggled since the Renaissance with the contradictory forces of “divine” authority, and ended up morally impotent but a world champion of hypocrisy. We have “freedom of religion”, so long as it’s some sort of accepted Christian or Judaic orthodoxy, with a cursory nod to Islam, Hinduism and Bhuddism. How many US Senators are declared agnostics or atheists? Would an agnostic have any chance of becoming President of the USA or Prime Minister of Canada?

    As for Islamist groups denouncing what happened – yes, I’ve watched the TV news broadcasts from Paris, and both Imans and lay muslims have declared that these massacres have nothing to do with Islam. But really, what do you expect them to say?

    Here in Canada, you won’t see a single national tv newscaster without a poppy front and centre for a week before Remembrance Day, nor a single Member of Parliament unpoppied before the cameras. Decades ago, there was a small movement to wear a white poppy as a protest against nuclear armaments, and even that fizzled out rather quickly.

    I don’t think any Canadian newscaster or Member of Parliament expects to be murdered for not wearing a poppy. So I think your expectations of muslims are unfair and unrealistic.

    Our strength is in the pluralism and individualism of our society, to the extent that it allows us to debate issues publicly and pursue divergent avenues of problem solving. And we’re pissing that away to build a police state to compete on their own terms with states and societies that are way ahead of us on that road.

    What we need to do is to strengthen our secularism, our personal liberties, and to attract more like minded people from all parts of the world to help us sway the scales in that direction. Instead we’re indiscriminately importing hundreds of thousands of people habituated to authoritarian patriarchal government and lockstep obedience to primitive cultural taboos, many of them completely irreconcilable with our own laws and (equally primitive) taboos.

    As to what really happened in Paris last week – has everyone forgotten Wikileaks already? Can any thinking person doubt that the Western intelligence community is capable of posing as ISIS leaders and recruiting,supplying, training, facilitating, and directing an attack such as we’ve just seen? Presumably Wikileaks will have taught the intelligence community to take even more care to hide their tracks.

  121. As I commented either on this article , or one of the other recent articles, COP 21 will go ahead, but the Pairs economy will not enjoy the expected economic boost brought about by all those attending wishing to party, spend a night on the tiles and to do their Christmas shopping.

    See the recent article posted on news24:

    http://www.news24.com/Green/News/france-to-pare-side-events-at-paris-climate-talks-20151116

    This conference will therefore be a very expensive conference for the French tax payer to host, especially given that the security bill will have skyrocketed and there will be little economic business boost to Paris itself. Not a good thing, for a country that is economically failing so badly, due to its Socialist government having encouraged high wealth individuals to leave France rather than paying crippling tax, and the uncompetitiveness and straight jacket of the Euro.

    Hopefully, these negotiations will not lead to any binding commitments on CO2 reduction, and reparations being paid to third world and developing countries, backed up with teeth.

  122. If any good is to come of this outrage, pray God of Abraham and Isaac let it be the end of the EU and its tyranny of faceless, unaccountable appointed bureaucrats in cahoots with revolting globalists like Soros.

    With the EU, lax security in Greece means that the Orks are loosed upon the Eloi, if I may mix the iconic creations of English fabulists of the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

    En Sh’Allah!

  123. Mods,

    OK, that’s it. Yet another comment not posted.

    Clearly, I’m persona non grata here, so so long.

    [Reply: Patience is a virtue. Back at it now, post away! ~mod]

    • Thanks!

      I would have been patient, but other comments seemed to appear immediately. Maybe they were delayed, too.

    • Simon,

      What a heartwarming story! No doubt this will be fondly remembered, and that boy will be treated special by those folks.

      They will behead him last.

      • With regard to a little dhimmi kid in Texas donating his savings to fix up a center of Islamic hate-mongering that had been defaced by people who understand the odious nature of the “religion of peace,” we have dbstealy commenting:

        What a heartwarming story! No doubt this will be fondly remembered, and that boy will be treated special by those folks.

        They will behead him last.

        Well, only if the little guy refuses to accept conversion to Islam.

        Then the only bloodletting involved will result from his ritual circumcision.

        Then they’ll fit him out with a bomb vest and send him to school.

        أكل لحم الخنزير أو الموت

      • DB
        So how many muslims do you know well? I’m picking it is none. I know many and none of them are extremist. The nutters who do the killing are fringe. Mainstream Islam has no time for them. All muslims I know live by much the same philosophy as my Christian friends. What this little boy did give hope to us all. Look past your bigotry and perhaps he could teach you a thing or two.

      • So I’m picking you have actually have never bothered to speak with anyone or tried to understand the religion. You’d prefer to focus on the extremists. Well guess what… that’s exactly what they want.

      • funny guy, simon.

        how do i know with absolute certainty that you have never read the koran or the hadiths and have zero understanding of the mohammedan creed?

        you are just exactly as smart as dan pearl and we know what it took for him to face the obvious.

        mohammedanism isn’t all pearly.boy.butts and wiping your bunger with stones

        in fact, simon, you are a fool and a fraud.

        you know nothing about mohammedanism at all.

        and if you still have your kaffir head on, you have not yet met one, either, only fake ones who, just like you, have no knowledge of the koran and hadiths and the ayatollahs and mullahs and the 12th imam hiding in the well.

      • Writes Simon:

        I’d rather live in a world with hope not hatred.

        And I’d like to be king of all Londinium and wear a shiny hat.

        For the super isolationist types of the Perhaps if We’re Nice They’ll Go Away school of foreign diplomacy, too late now. We’re dealing with a group of people who literally think they’re helping bring about the apocalypse, and that’s a good thing. Our leadership is made up of petulant children more worried about poop swastikas that may or may not have existed, than actual killers who believe in real oppression.

        Solution? Beats the hell out of me. It certainly isn’t whatever it is we’ve been doing. The ball is now in Europe’s court. America’s bipolar leadership has abdicated responsibility. Europe can either decide it is in it to win it, and fight like their survival is at stake, or keep doing their thing. The extremists are happy to die, and they consider everybody on their side expendable.

        My guess? Retaliation. Our warriors will do what they’re awesome at, and kill a whole bunch of assholes. Depending on how hard and fast we, or in this case the French, do it, that will stop a whole bunch of other attacks. However, innocent people will die as has happened in every war in human history, which will cause liberals to flip out, which will cause the west to go all half-hearted and stupidly forward. So nothing will get fixed. The west will go back to the next imaginary issue that allows liberals to be control freaks. The security apparatus will then go back to being an ever tightening ratchet against the wrong people. We’ll repeat this cycle until the west collapses, or one particular brand of religious philosophy is utterly annihilated forever.

        — Larry Correia, “Thoughts on Paris” (16 November 2015)

      • DB
        No you didn’t. Hitler was a bad guy. Osama was a bad guy. Most Christians are good guys. Most Muslims are good guys. Extremists want you to hate. You do…. they win.

      • Simon,

        Haven’t you heard about all the “good Germans”? They were the Nazi enablers; the ones who turned a blind eye to all the atrocities. Nuremburg is full of their accounts.

        Well, today’s Muslims are the same, only worse: they know exactly what’s going on, while many Germans didn’t. Because today we have the internet.

        So no, Muslims are not the “good guys”. They are complicit enablers, quietly cheering on perverted killers. They do not say “STOP IT!!”

        They are all extremists. And you have it backward: the Islamists are the haters. They win when their apologists excuse them. Stop apologizing!

      • Simon:

        You are getting the flack because you are over the target.

        Reality is this.

        As you said, the terrorists win when their atrocities foment hatreds.

        Richard

      • Thank you Richard. My point exactly. You have a great day.
        I’d rather live in a world with hope not hatred. Going back to the little boy who gave his money, that was just a moment to cherish.

      • Tucci78

        We are talking about two different groups of people. Everyday Muslims who are as angry as the rest of the world about what has happened (see Richard Courtneys post) and the radicals. I don’t think anyone with a brain has any sympathy for the latter group.

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