BREAKING News – Major Terrorist Atrocity in Paris, Just Weeks until COP21

See Update 6 – a poll has been added about whether the COP21 climate conference in Paris should continue as planned.

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Editorial cartoon by Josh

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

BREAKING NEWS – a major Terrorist attack is in progress in Paris, which will shortly host the COP21 Climate Conference. At least 140 40 people are reported to be dead, up to 100 hostages still unaccounted for.

According to Sky News Australia;

French police officials say at least 40 people have been killed in multiple attacks in Paris, including one near the Stade de France sports stadium and another at a concert venue.

French Media is reporting at least 60 people have been killed.

Fifteen of the victims have been killed at the Bataclan concert hall in eastern Paris, with reports saying a further 100 people have been taken hostage.

Others have been killed in explosions near the stadium just north of Paris, where a France-Germany football match was taking place, and in a restaurant shooting.

Read more: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2015/11/14/casualties-in-paris-restaurant-shooting.html#sthash.CgFoL84x.dpuf

Lets us all hope that French authorities manage to stop this horrific terrorist attack, with minimal further loss of life.

UPDATE by Anthony: I wonder if President Obama will rethink his threat priorities now, this from the White House Twitter feed in April:

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Update 2: I will add, that this is a terrible terrible thing, and I think I speak for all WUWT readers that our hearts go out to the victims and their families in Paris. Let’s hope there is a swift end to this, and that the guilty will be brought to justice.

Update 3: France is under a state of emergency, and has closed its borders:

“French President Francois Hollande declared a state of emergency and in a televised address to the nation announced that he was closing the country’s borders ‘to make sure that those who have committed these crimes can be stopped.’ He also indicated that authorities knew who was responsible for the attacks.”

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/13/dozens-killed-in-paris-terror-attacks?int=9b9e08

Update4: Meanwhile, Al Gore’s 24 hour climate change webcast is hosted at the Eiffel Tower.

http://news.yahoo.com/al-gore-hosting-climate-telethon-paris-eiffel-tower-163634484.html

It appears the 24 hours of reality/act on climate video feed is off now, probably a sensible thing to do.  Screencap from https://www.climaterealityproject.org/24hoursofreality

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Update 5: questions about COP21 already being asked according to BBC Europe editor Katya Adler:

cop21-paris-hosting-tweet

Update 5: Watch France 24 Live in English 

Update 6: Poll added, since this is being discussed in media worldwide now.

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The French state can not guarantee the safety of the 40000 delegates. An attack on them would be a major pr coup for terrorists and a disaster for the French state and humanity.
I would expect the climate summit in the format Currently proposed will need to be postponed.
Tonyb

Mike Bromley the Kurd

COP21 is the Target. This is just like advance polling.

Why on earth is cop21 the target?
Tonyb

M Courtney

No-one gives a monkey’s about COP21.
This is just terrorism.
And we shouldn’t be afraid.
They only use violence because they can’t match the freedom of democracies.
Or the compassion of democracies,
Or the wealth generation of democracies.
Or the future of democracies.
Because we are better than such narrow minded hatred.
No-one gives a monkey’s about the desperation of ISIS.

NZ Willy

Islamophobes! (How long before the accusations of Islamophobia resume?)

BFL

“This is just terrorism.
And we shouldn’t be afraid.”
“No-one gives a monkey’s about the desperation of ISIS.”
Well the French government is, I am sure, quite concerned about public perception. What IS obvious is the complete stupidity of the Islamic radicals. They just don’t seem to realize that if they poke the bear(‘s) enough that they are going to be on the receiving end with a result that won’t be pretty for them or their “Caliphate”. The Russians in particular are the most ruthless and effective about such replies as they historically don’t have much concern with political correctness or bothering to hide “human rights” violations.

Menicholas

I expect life will become very problematic for ISIS in the coming weeks and months.
This coordinated attack on France, including one at the location of the President, is tantamount to an act of war; and France being a member of NATO means that, treaty wise, we are technically at war with ISIS.
That is my take on the situation, anyway. Spineless politicians may try to explain it away though, and wait for the other shoe to fall.
Giving those bloodthirsty killers free rein to expand and do their thing, to gather funds and plan operations…for NEARLY AN ENTIRE YEAR, will be seen as a very dim-witted and boneheaded, and a de facto abandonment of the responsibility of our governments to protect it’s citizenry.
They have declared all along they are at war with us, and will soon bring it too us.
History tells us that such warnings are best not ignored or taken lightly.

Bryan A

Actually I don’t think COP 21 would be a target as both ISIS/Al-Qaida and cop21 organizers both want a single world government that has the energy infrastructure of the Stone Age

ratuma

COP21 has nothing to do with that

Gloateus Maximus

Menicholas
November 13, 2015 at 6:07 pm
If a connection to ISIS, a self-proclaimed state with territory it administers, can indeed be shown behind this outrage, then, yes France, a NATO member (although not participating in its military organization) has been attacked by a state, not a terrorist gang like Qaeda, and other NATO members would be obliged by the treaty to come to the defense of France.
Maybe if enough other countries urge him to, Obama might act. But I fear he’ll try to do anything he does do on the cheap. To wipe out ISIS in Iraq rapidly would require upwards of two US Marine divisions and the Army’s XVIII Airborne Corps (three light–10th Mountain, 82nd Airborne, 101st Air Assault–and one heavy, 3rd Armored, divisions, reinforced with Stryker Brigade Combat Teams), plus a Special Forces Group and a large Air Expeditionary Wing.
A minor fraction of that force could have kept ISIS out of Iraq in the first place.

jorgekafkazar

The terrorists don’t give an aerobatic assignation about COP21. If they did, they’d have waited until next month.

Bryan A

@ratuma November 13, 2015 at 7:17 pm
“COP21 has nothing to do with that”
Nothing to do with what?

Bryan A
Nodak

“What IS obvious is the complete stupidity of the Islamic radicals. They just don’t seem to realize that if they poke the bear(‘s) enough that they are going to be on the receiving end with a result that won’t be pretty for them or their “Caliphate”. The Russians in particular are the most ruthless and effective about such replies as they historically don’t have much concern with political correctness or bothering to hide “human rights” violations.”
Yea Yea. More brain dead tough tallk.
These radicals are very intelegent. They know that us westerners are stupid and still think sending conventional military forces to the middle east will have any lasting effect. Have you already forgotten Iraq and Afghanistan? The Soviets couldn’t even keep Afghanistan.
What is needed is a policy of containment and non-intervention in the region. Absent a common enemy in the region, they will quickly go back to fighting between each other. Our military can then focus on national DEFENCE and not offence.
These attacks make headlines, but are at best an anoyance. Don’t play into their hands and go on another military expedition.

MarkW

BFL: Prior to WWII the Japanese leadership, was convinced that the US did not have the will to fight, and if they could deliver a serious blow to us that the US would rush to capitulate. They believed this because of American behavior since WWI. If you read through the things politicians were saying and doing at the time, it was not an unreasonable assumption for someone to make. Especially someone unfamiliar with western culture.

MarkW

It may be blood thirsty, but it’s a strategy that has worked time and time again throughout history.
Offer peace if they are willing to take it. However if they don’t want peace, then attack every time attacked in an over whelming counter strike.
They kill 100 of us, we kill 10,000 of them. Keep it up until they decide that peace is the better option, or we run out of them.
Either way, problem solved.

simple-touriste

“NATO member (although not participating in its military organization)”
Please explain.

Bryan A

In WWII yes, the Japanese attacked the U.S. in an effort to gain capitulation from a perceived weak nation and thereby gain total control over the North Pacific region. But expecting the U.S. to back down is 180 dev from what ISIS/ISIL – Al-Qaida are expecting.
The extremists in the region want western involvement. Every time we remove an Arab Dictator, they move in
You would be hard pressed to find a country in the region where we haven’t deposed a dictator and the extremists didn’t move in and set up shop with principles based on sharia law.
They want the western world to fight against them and are uncaring of weather or not they die. After all, to a Ji-hadist, the Ji-had itself is insurance of the afterlife

Javier

Gluteus Maximus:

France, a NATO member (although not participating in its military organization) has been attacked by a state, not a terrorist gang like Qaeda, and other NATO members would be obliged by the treaty to come to the defense of France.

This is actually incorrect, since ISIS is not recognized as a state by any of NATO members. It will probably lead to a escalation of the attacks that some NATO members are already carrying out on ISIS.

Oliver Tickell has published a barmy theory about the Paris attacks and COP21, based on the conjecture the ISIS derives its funding from fossil fuels and so wants to scupper any “agreement” at COP21 by scaring off the hosts or the delegates. Somehow I doubt whether such concerns were on Omar Ismail Mostefai’s mind. H/T bishop-hill . http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2986288/paris_attacks_cop21_and_the_war_on_terror.html

Tucci78

Writes climatereason:

The French state can not guarantee the safety of the 40000 delegates. An attack on them would be a major pr coup for terrorists and a disaster for the French state and humanity.

On “humanity”? Haven’t you gotten it a bit back-to-front? Let us interpret “humanity” as the members of the human race whom these “40000 delegates” are bent upon plundering, impoverishing, starving, and sentencing to death by hypothermia and pneumonia in homes the poor people can’t afford to heat.
With that in mind, any “terrorists” exploiting this opportunity to put these 40,000 tax-feeders, rent-seekers, charlatans, quacks, confidence men, megalomaniacs, and other “malevolent jobholders” – not to mention a hefty corps of legacy media root-weevils – out of “humanity’s” misery might be considered to have provided a public service.
Allah knows that culling this herd cannot be interpreted as aught but a blessing upon mankind at large, dar-al-Islam and dar-al-Harb alike.

In 20 years of debating people, I have never once seen a cultist reject his superstition based on the evil nature of its doctrines.

— Stefan Molyneux

Are you seriously suggesting that the 40000 delegates to a s scientific conference, No matter your feelings about the event, should be ‘culled’?
Tonyb

Tucci78

climatereason indignifies:

Are you seriously suggesting that the 40000 delegates to a sscientific conference, No matter your feelings about the event, should be ‘culled’?

Oh, perish forfend!
Not “should.”
Not that such a development wouldn’t come with more than a wee frisson of satisfaction should there be occasion for so many of these international Social Justice Warriors to become the focus of juramentado attentions in the City of Lights.
Don’t for an instant imagine that this Schlurperfest beginning 30 November is in
ANY way “a scientific conference.”
There ceased to be anything “scientific” about this fraud the moment Mann et alia got “Mike’s Nature trick” through pal-review and into publication.

The essential characteristic of Western civilization that distinguishes it from the arrested and petrified civilizations of the East was and is its concern for freedom from the state. The history of the West, from the age of the Greek polis down to the present-day resistance to socialism, is essentially the history of the fight for liberty against the encroachments of the officeholders.

— Ludwig von Mises

Richard Barraclough

It’s a bit depressing that such vile sentiments were not removed by the moderators, and will be seen by many as a valid point for discussion on this website
[mods on duty this morning are cleaning up those coomemnts -mod]

markx

‘Mods on duty’ seem to have time to comment, but still don’t remove vile comments.
It bodes ill for WUWT if this rubbish is allowed to sit here and stink.

Tucci78

markx expresses disgruntlement that my comment to the effect that

any “terrorists” exploiting this opportunity to put these 40,000 tax-feeders, rent-seekers, charlatans, quacks, confidence men, megalomaniacs, and other “malevolent jobholders” – not to mention a hefty corps of legacy media root-weevils – [scheduled to attend COP21 in promotion of the anthropogenic global warming fraud] out of “humanity’s” misery might be considered to have provided a public service.
Allah knows that culling this herd cannot be interpreted as aught but a blessing upon mankind at large, dar-al-Islam and dar-al-Harb alike.

…has not been excised as “vile.”
Has markx not yet examined the United Nations’ Agenda 21 in order to discern true vileness?

Global Warming was just one issue The Club of Rome (TCOR) targeted in its campaign to reduce world population. In 1993 the Club’s co-founder, Alexander King with Bertrand Schneider wrote The First Global Revolution stating,

“The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”

They believe all these problems are created by humans but exacerbated by a growing population using technology. “Changed attitudes and behavior” basically means what it has meant from the time Thomas Malthus raised the idea the world was overpopulated. He believed charity and laws to help the poor were a major cause of the problem and it was necessary to reduce population through rules and regulations. TCOR ideas all ended up in the political activities of the Rio 1992 conference organized by Maurice Strong (a TCOR member) under the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP). The assumptions and objectives became the main structure of Agenda 21, the master plan for the 21st Century. The global warming threat was confronted at Rio through the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) and creation of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). It was structured to predetermine scientific proof that human CO2 was one contribution of the “common enemy”.
The IPCC was very successful. Despite all the revelations about corrupted science and their failed predictions (projections) CO2 remains central to global attention about energy and environment.

— Tim Ball, “Overpopulation: The Fallacy Behind The Fallacy Of Global Warming” (7 January 2014)

Oh, yeah. For all our “religion of peace” readers: أكل لحم الخنزير أو الموت

markx

Thanks Tucci.
I have read all that. Previously.
I don’t like it.
I still consider your comment vile.
And it will do nothing but degrade the reputation and standing of WUWT in the eyes of critics and neutral observers.
But, that is a decision for, and the concern of, Anthony Watts.
I’d simply suggest you may do better to put aside your anger and shrill lust for blood, and apply your energies more calmly and positively in your effort to rectify the wrongs you perceive.
Regards and thanks,
markx

Tucci78

markx indulges his political correctness perseverently in censor-wannabe mode, reiterating:

I still consider your comment vile.
And it will do nothing but degrade the reputation and standing of WUWT in the eyes of critics and neutral observers.
But, that is a decision for, and the concern of, Anthony Watts.
I’d simply suggest you may do better to put aside your anger and shrill lust for blood, and apply your energies more calmly and positively in your effort to rectify the wrongs you perceive.

Reminds me of that 17 November in 2009 when I cracked open FOIA2009.zip and started scanning the e-mails circulated among the Climatic Research Unit correspondents to discover confirmation that these sons of bitches had not only been co-opting the editorial functions of the most prestigious journals in the sciences but also perverting blinded peer review into flagrantly collusive pal review and I felt my Sicilian ethnicity taking hold from down in the depths of the id, with my thumbs a-twitch and the urge to take throats between my hands and literally put an end to these thieving, lying, whoring saboteurs of everything the sciences had ever stood for.
Genuine “urge to kill.” Cleansing passion, that, after close to thirty years of suffering the blatant fraud perpetrated by these arrogant, frankly evil “consensus” quacks.
So, no, the thought of the great bulk of the highest-ranking “Climate Change” fraud’s co-conspirators having themselves an energetic encounter with a cadre of suicide-vest-wearing jihadis sincerely espousing an older and more brutally murderous fallacy couldn’t possibly strike my sense of justice as anything other than one of those poetic conjunctions so seldom gracing the pages of history.
A sort of consummation devoutly to be wished, if y’know what I mean.
Indirectly, the “climate catastrophe” fraudsters have killed people. Pensioners dying of hypothermia in the U.K. because the alarmists engaged a CO2-reduction strategy the employed “carbon pricing” to punish all consumers with higher energy prices, leaving folks on limited income no option but the suffer the winters with little or no heat. Americans on similarly limited incomes struggling to pay their electricity bills – which Obozo had promised (to the purpose of abating “carbon polllution”) would “necessarily skyrocket” – and not uncommonly failing to do so, shivering in the cold and the dark for months on end. Costs of food all over the planet rising as vast amounts of corn is turned into fuel ethanol that only an idiot wants in his gas tank, and which has to be forced on vendors and their customers by federal regulations of no constitutionality whatsoever, just so leftard Watermelons can feel good about ramming “renewable energy” up the collective ass of their innocent neighbors.
Do I want these guys to cease and desist? You betcha. Am I one of the growing number of Americans approaching the point where “shoot, shovel, and shut up” looks like a better option than letting the death of a thousand cuts continue?
Yep.

The media insist that crime is the major concern of the American public today. In this connection they generally push the point that a disarmed society would be a crime-free society. They will not accept the truth that if you take all the guns off the street you still will have a crime problem, whereas if you take the criminals off the street you cannot have a gun problem.
In the larger sense, however, the personal ownership of firearms is only secondarily a matter of defense against the criminal. Note the following from Thomas Jefferson:

The strongest reason for the people to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny of government.

That is why our masters in Washington are so anxious to disarm us. They are not afraid of criminals. They are afraid of a populace which cannot be subdued by tyrants.

— Jeff Cooper, Commentaries, Vol. 2, No. 5, May 1994

we want to save the Western civilization, our freedom to live and flourish, we must stop tolerating and appeasing the evil and the irrational: those that hate our civilization and want to destroy it. This — and not climate change — is the biggest threat we face today. We must also convince our governments to return to their proper role as the protectors of our freedom and to retaliate with strong military response when terrorist attacks occur, or to act proactively to stop planned attacks.
The the loss of lives caused by the Paris massacres were tragic; they serve as a horrific reminder to the world political leaders about to gather there for the UN climate summit. Their work lies, not in attempting to control our lives through unnecessary and futile climate policies, but in protecting us against Islamist terrorism, a true threat to our ability to survive and flourish.

— Jaana Woiceshyn, “How To Prevent The Next Paris Tragedy” (15 November 2015)

Gloateus Maximus

Muslim hookers in Paris would then be very ticked off at their co-religionists.

I’ve been listening to the news on several different stations, and no one has ever mentioned ‘Muslim’ or ‘Islamic’, etc.
What else could it be??
But we know this is the Administration’s view. So naturally they’re spinning this as if it’s just a bunch of disgruntled Mormons. Or something.

Menicholas

I have heard that at least one person was arrested and claimed to be “from ISIS”.
And the concert shooters proclaimed that “this is for Syria”.
Of course, reports at this stage could prove erroneous.
But I will lay down hard cash-money that the Mormons are not responsible.
Or Catholics.
Or Baptists.
Or Christians of any denomination.
Or Jews.
Or Hindus.
Or Buddhists.
Or Shinto, Taoists, Zoroastrianists, Sikhs, Toltecs, Heathens, Celtic polytheists, Pagans, Wiccans, or Hellenists.
And not even Pastafarians.

Gloateus Maximus

At least Obama did use the word “terrorist”, but couldn’t bring himself to say “Muslim”, although they were known as such from the outset. Of course, to him, only peaceful Muslims are real Muslims, contrary to the words of the Prophet, eternal damnation be upon him.

nigelf

I’ve been listening to the news on several different stations, and no one has ever mentioned ‘Muslim’ or ‘Islamic’, etc.
dbstealy I was watching Fox News and they had “Islamist Terrorists” in the headline at the top for a good part of the night.
That’s why I watch Fox, they’re unafraid to call a spade a spade despite Obama’s desires.

MarkW

Security around the conference is going to be a lot tighter than anything seen today.
It’s highly unlikely they could have penetrated the hotels and venues of the conference.
Terrorists like going after soft targets, the body count is higher.

Maybe, consider that President Hollande was at the stadium where several bombs were exploded. That is a bit surprising to me the terrorists could get that close. One positive spin to this tragedy is that the liberal politicians across Europe may succumb to voter dissatisfaction in the years to follow. There is going to be a very angry backlash from public opinion on this sorrowful episode.

It’s highly unlikely they could have penetrated the hotels and venues of the conference.
That assumes that they have not already penetrated the hotels. Think of all the places you can hide nefarious things.

Gloateus Maximus

Think of how many of the staff at Parisian hotels are Muslims. Like Muslim Brotherhood baggage handlers at Sharm el-Sheikh.

MarkW

I would expect that the background checks on employees at a top hotel in a major capital to be higher than at a minor air port half way to nowhere.
Heads of state usually bring their own security to such venues. When the president is travelling the secret service usually closes off an entire floor and they control all entrances and exits.

The targets are soft because the people are disarmed. Armed people make for harder targets.

Janice Moore

“The French state can not guarantee the safety of the 40000 delegates.” (Tonyb)
Yes…., but this was known months ago (years, actually).

cheshirered

On the contrary, the actual event is planned for a private airport. To control the site itself would be straightforward. The city of Paris, its cafes and restaurants, etc, yes I accept that’s another matter. But they cannot be allowed to win. COP 21 should go ahead.

Absolute nonsense. All they would have to do is use a few drones, available in any hobby shop, to drop devices on the venue.

MarkW

Drones can only carry a pound or so, at most. The heavier their payload, the shorter their range, which isn’t that great to begin with.
Beyond that, control over commercial drones can be easily jammed. Even military type drones can be jammed with sufficient effort.

simple-touriste

Predator is a drone.
“drone” is meaningless term. Please stop using it.

Ernest Bush

Under no circumstances should the COP21 conference be allowed to continue. It’s true purpose is political and is harmful to the economies of most nations. It will destroy Western Civilization, possibly before the Islamic states have a chance to do so. Saying that, it will probably fail as they are already fighting over how to divide up the stolen wealth — namely yours and mine.
Thanks to the second ammendment, it would be a bad idea to pull out weapons in malls and restaurants of most states. In concerts, games, and other gun-free zones — too bad. The police will show up to tag and bag you in the aftermath. Just like last night

MarkW

How can they have been using guns? Aren’t guns outlawed in France?

Expat

You can be assured that their victims were unarmed. France is very progressive you know. And guess what? Next week, they’ll still be unarmed, just like the victims in coming attacks in NY, Boston, Chicago, London, Berlin. Get the trend?

Hugs

Aren’t guns outlawed in France?

It depends on what you mean.
But certainly ordinary concert-goers are not carrying a gun in France, and, in this case, unordinary concert-goers carry them even if it is illegal.
Kalashnikov is a nasty weapon in hands of a trained terrorist. ISIS delenda est.

simple-touriste

Guns aren’t illegal in France, but some are. The others are controlled and restricted.
But carrying a gun is illegal for civilians.

simple-touriaste says:
But carrying a gun is illegal for civilians.
Well, that pretty much defeats the purpose of protecting civilians from Islamist fanatics, no?

john garr

We should not waste any time or resources on the non existent catastrophe of manmade global warming. We should rather devote resources to dealing with the real catastrophe of global terrorism of which Paris is the latest disaster.

Bubba Cow

more info:
“French President Francois Hollande declared a state of emergency and in a televised address to the nation announced that he was closing the country’s borders ‘to make sure that those who have committed these crimes can be stopped.’ He also indicated that authorities knew who was responsible for the attacks.”
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/13/dozens-killed-in-paris-terror-attacks?int=9b9e08
and
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/gun-attack-explosion-reported-in-paris/
bad, bad, bad

Janice Moore

“‘… He also indicated that authorities knew who was responsible for the attacks.‘”
But we mustn’t upset their low-self-esteem brothers and sisters….. so we just won’t say who it is… .
Pretending Muslims are not the problem works every time…. .

BFL

Yeah look at Obummer’s take:
“This is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values we share,”
The major problem is that Muslims don’t share any values with any other religion or social standard, so the statement is just “head in the sand” stupidity.

Bill Parsons

Border closings may be designed to stop the flow of immigrants. Trouble was inevitable with the present, unending stream of middle eastern refugees flowing into Western Europe. France might be viewed as a destination but also as a way-station on the road to U.K., Scandinavian countries, and the U.S.

BFL

An estimated 80% are not “refugees”, they just want what they think are better living conditions in Europe (until they find out what living in a “camp” is like). France thought they had a handle on the Muslim situation by refusing to recognize the cultural differences and attempting to force western social norms onto them thru law. However, Islam is the one religion/culture that resists being post-modern with the inevitable result in social friction. Merkel, along with the unelected European commission, appeared to play a large role in this by encouraging the entries. To any sane politician the backfire was predictable.

Gloateus Maximus

BFL.
Some Muslim immigrants, their kids and grandkids have assimilated in Western Europe and adopted 21st century standards, even with respect to women. The problem is that a large part even of the second and third generation have not done so and resist even trying.
A 7th century mentality armed with 20th and 21st century technology (thanks to the West) produces monsters.

BFL

Gloateus Maximus:
Agreed that many have assimilated and those, maybe, are fence riding Islamics who don’t take every word of the Koran as “Truth”. However, it would help their lot if they would voluntarily and voraciously verbally attack the radicals and overtly come to the aid of those injured. Haven’t seen that done, so I would have to reason that they are quietly in support of their brethren.

Gloateus Maximus

BFL,
In general, you’re correct. However this afternoon I heard a caller on Hannity named Mohamed set the record straight on what the Koran actually teaches. As a former student of the “Recitation”, he correctly stated that the Islamofascists are indeed simply following the literal words of that repulsive pack of lies.

Gloateus Maximus

Might have to hit up the Russians for the unconsciousness gas they used in the Moscow theater hostage taking. Maybe this time they’ll say what it is, so that doctors can save more gassed, hungry, thirsty hostages.
Possibly time to rethink admitting millions more Muslims into Europe, no matter how few babies the indigenous inhabitants are having. The 10th arrondissement is called “Little Turkey”.
Then the climate terrorists arrive.

Tucci78

Aggregated on Wiki-bloody-pedia:

Analysis of drug residue from the clothing of two British hostages and the urine of a third British hostage,by a team of researchers at the British chemical and biological defense laboratories at Porton Down, Wiltshire, England, indicates two fentanyl derivatives [veterinary large animal sedative drug carfentanil and anesthetic agent remifentanil] were used – and neither were fentanyl or 3-methyl fentanyl (the Russian Minister of Health said fentanyl or a derivative had been used, but didn’t accurately specify which derivatives).

Fentanyl is a synthetic opioid agonist used for analgesia and sedation, with high potency, rapid onset, and relatively short duration of action. These last two characteristics have made fentanyl usage quite common in conscious sedation as an adjunct to outpatient surgery.

DamDoc

Obama’s legacy.. close Guantanamo, evacuate Iraq, run with tail under ahole, religion of peace.. just saw obuzzmo’s statement… he was clearly shook big time, maybe seeing the error of his was? ( probably not, just fearing the hit tonthe legacy).. the cost of American weakness and our fearless leader’s intransigent pigheadedness

François GM

My heart goes out to everyone in Paris and those with friends and family there.

Amen to that!

That is all what is needed today…

Mike Bromley the Kurd

You just watch, Obama will spin this into a climate change cause.

Gloateus Maximus

Blame it on Big Oil?

Mike Bromley the Kurd

yup.

Leo Smith

Or the Koch brothers…(who are the Koch brothers anyway?)

tgmccoy

[snip -over the top -mod]

jl

It’ll be blamed on “skeptics”.

Gloateus Maximus

And Bush, of course.

John F. Hultquist

Just in case Leo Smith (@3:44) was serious:
Here are links to the family – last name is pronounced “coke”
The father – Fred – chemical engineer and entrepreneur Link to Fred
Link to Industries
Link to foundations
The last one has a link to the political activities of the brothers.

Sceptical Sam

And Tony Abbott

Gloateus Maximus

And Harper.

John Endicott

Mike Bromley the Kurd
You just watch, Obama will spin this into a climate change cause.
—————————————-
Blaming it on a youtube video is more his speed.

KTM

Every story I’ve seen is still citing the Charlie Hebdo shootings, as if the violence is somehow justified or was triggered by a youtube video… er a tasteless magazine.

“This has nothing to do with climate change, religion, or politics. You keep thinking that people did this. You are wrong. It was guns. We need gun control. It has nothing to do with the person holding the trigger down.”
Sorry, foe the above, but that is the liberal mindset. Good luck to the French and I hope they get wake up to the enemy in their own country. Welcome to the religion of peace – Islam.

How did the Prophet spread Islam? Was it done peacefully or was it done through war? Why should the faithful not follow in the footsteps of the Prophet?

simple-touriste

Weapon control in France:
In France, only police and military can carry weapons.
Hunting weapons are limited by the need to recharge. (No way a semiauto can be considered hunting weapon.)
Sport shooters can only carry weapon on the way from home to shooting range, in a box, and the way must be declared in advance. There is no such thing as a weapon carry permit.
Police officers not on duty can carry their weapon, but they may be limited to their administrative district (I think the rule changed recently).
Even WWII vehicles (jeeps, troop transports) have been declared military devices and cannot be owned by civilians, except by special permits (hard to get).
You can’t get much further in term of anti-gun laws in a country with a well established hunting tradition.

Gloateus Maximus

The fundamental failing of firearms laws in all European countries, even the most “liberal”, like Austria, is that guns are not recognized as a legitimate means of self-defense. The state allows its subjects to use only certain firearms for certain purposes (target-shooting, hunting, etc.) under certain conditions.
This is totally antithetical to the American tradition, which derives from the British Bill of Rights, in which men were allowed to carry the weapons befitting their status. In the US, all men are theoretically equal before the law, so everyone is in the militia and therefore has the right to keep and bear militia weapons. Since the militia exists to defend and keep order in the community, state and nation, the individual right of self-defense is subsumed under the national security and protection of freedom, liberty and the natural rights of Man and the specific rights of Englishmen, to include aristocrats.

A number of comments are already saying that CC is the culprit, ” If it was not because of droughts caused by CC these people would be farmers, doctors or lawyers instead of terrorists” ( I’ll stop banging my head against the wall soon)

Gloateus Maximus

They were saying before these atrocities that the west Asian and North African immigrants were “climate refugees”.
Disgusting.

Joe Bastardi checked the facts, and there was not any drought in the parts of Syria affected.
The press needs to get back to the business of fact-checking.

Tucci78

Wrtites Caleb:

Joe Bastardi checked the facts, and there was not any drought in the parts of Syria affected.
The press needs to get back to the business of fact-checking.

Fact-checking – honest, real-world fact-checking – tends invariably to disprove the Narrative, and is therefore streng verboten in the legacy media.

You see, I come from a dimension, called reality, where words mean what they mean and words are used to convey information from one mind to another. The Loathers, as best I can tell, come from a different and horrible alien dimension where words mean precisely what they do not mean, and words are used as emotional indicators only, leaving the listener with the task of discovering what it is that the irrelevant stream of false-to-facts and logically-disconnected statements actually refer to.
I am exaggerating, but only a little. They are not from another dimension, but the Loathers are from a different moral framework. My moral code says dishonesty is wrong, both in thought and deed, and to be illogical is wrong, both formally and morally. Their moral code says reality is wrong, and that any statements conforming to reality are viciously cruel and unforgivable. They cannot actually come out and say what it is that provokes their tears and their ire, because to do so would be to refer to the thing that they cannot name. So they have to take some other thing, only tangentially related, and complain about that.

— John C. Wright

Crispin in Waterloo

A woman identified as a Canadian author who has lived in Paris for the Past forty years, was interviewed by the CBC this morning. She squarely blamed the war in Syria on climate change.
I recall a certain Foreign Secretary declaring that the Middle East countries needed regime change. I wonder if she had anything to do with the supply of weapons recovered from the Bengazi area of Libya being shipped to anti-Syrian ‘elements’.
The ‘climate’ changed, all right. Metal rain.

Thoughts are with those involved. But what if something like this happened in COP21 – there are supposed to be over 100 world leaders attending. And surely this will be a prime target!
I want to win fair and square based on the science and I certainly wouldn’t wish anything like this on those attending. I hope they cancel it.

Mike Bromley the Kurd

Like I said above, COP21 IS the target.

MarkW

If COP21 is the target, then they got really bad timing.

Funny Mike W–bad timing…ha ha ha ha…

John Endicott

Indeed Scottish Sceptic. Out thoughts and prayers go out to the unfortunate victims of this barbarity.

codybo

If they do not cancel, the attendance will be down. Who will want to take a chance? Very little will be accomplished in any case.

AndyG55

Nothing is ever accomplished at these things.
Its all done in small group meetings beforehand or during, then put to the cult followers.
COP21 is purely the publicity front.

PeterK

Don’t mean to sound uncaring but maybe this is a crisis that COP21 will use to their advantage? Wasn’t it Rahm Emanuel who said, “Don’t waste a crisis?”
You just have to wonder about anything that takes place these days.

Have to agree Peter, it was my first thought also. It’s too contrived and it stinks of a false flag. I find it extremely difficult to believe middle eastern terrorists are in any way concerned by the IPCC or threats of carbon taxes. It just hasn’t been one of those platform items I’ve seen on a radical Muslim agenda before.
But it would be very wise I think to avoid guilt by association, and perhaps that is the real point. I hope the conference moves forward as planned without further incident, if it’s delayed it might well present an opportunity to escalate what’s been heated debate until now into something much much more sinister. I also hope the people responsible are apprehended and punished for what they’ve done and my thoughts and best wishes go to the victims and their families.

My suspicion is the evil actors behind this heinous attack are terrified that any real action to limit fossil fuel consumption will gore their precious cash cow; oil money is the carrot on ISIS’s stick.

Paul you need not build conspiracy out of thin air. Oil money ranks no more than the banks in which it is deposited in the list of suspects.

BFL

“COP21 –there are supposed to be over 100 world leaders attending. And surely this will be a prime target!”
Wow, what a chance to take out mass stupidity…..

Steve (Paris)

My family and friends are all safe as far as i can ascertain. Live is ver precious. Cherish it.

Jim in London

Thank god good luck and best wishes to them

Dackombe

You thank a sky fairy for saving Steve’s family. If such a thing exists, why does it not prevent such atrocities from happening in the first place.

MarkW

What is it about atheists and their desire to prove themselves to be total douches?

Janice Moore

Dear Dackombe,
Re: “Why… .”
I would ask, rather, “Why did God intervene to keep the death toll as low as it was?” And I know the answer to that: God loves us. The same thing happened on 9/11/1: the percentage of empty seats on those large planes used by the Jihadists as weapons was, IIRC, an average of: 75% empty.
God allows free will, but, only lets the tide of ev1l go so far… . Sat@n, is allowed rampage through the earth, but God’s hand is always firmly on the reins.
Wisdom for us all in any terrible event such as the 11/13/15 Islamic Terror:
God is too wise to make a mistake.
God is too kind to do anything cruel.
God is too deep to explain Himself.

You can spit at God and say you hate Him because He allows free choice, thus, any ev1l at all, but you would be spitting in the wrong direction. The reason there is ev1l in the world is: us.
Easier to just pretend God doesn’t exist…. that all that you see around you, the stars, the oceans, the mountains, an eagle’s eyesight, just *poof* appeared at the wave of a “sky fairy’s” wand. 😉
Glad you piped up — you created a welcome opportunity for me to write the above.
Your ally for truth in science (and, maybe, your ally in an even more important matter…. someday…. hope so!),
Janice

Gloateus Maximus

Janice,
The 9/11 terrorists had few fellow passengers because al Qaeda had booked seats not used and/or selected flights they saw were not full, in order to minimize resistance.
It was not God but the al Qaeda planners who were responsible for the passenger numbers. As if that mattered when so many died in the Twin Towers. You really do your cult no favors with such sophisty on public display.
The credulity of fundamentalists never ceases to amaze, whether “Christian”, which your cult isn’t, or Muslim.

RD

Well wishes to you and condolences to victims all in Paris.

Janice Moore

Glad to hear that, Steve.
Stephan Richards! … Are you and yours okay?
(he lives in Paris)

Richard Barraclough

I think “Thank God”, “Thank goodness”, etc are just expressions which are familiar to people expressing relief over something, and they don’t necessarily imply any supernatural being has had a hand in the outcome.
I have used such language myself from time to time, without ever having felt the need to rely on a non-existent imaginary creature which controls the number of seats sold on hhijacked planes, or allows 120 people to be killed before shoutng “OK, that’s enough for today”, etc

Bill Illis

Not the Gore effect again.
Al Gore’s 24 hour climate change webcast is hosted at the Eiffel Tower.
http://news.yahoo.com/al-gore-hosting-climate-telethon-paris-eiffel-tower-163634484.html

RD

Yup – what an ass.

Gloateus Maximus

It’s getting worse!
Instead of snow, this time it’s mass murder, maiming and mayhem.

The epitome of the Gore effect!
But it is actually worse, with the current US government (Obama and Kerry, as well as misguided defense officials, and of course dear Al) stating over and over that Global Warming (I am unable to say Cl****e Ch***e) is the greatest and most immediate threat to world security. And that the real meaning of leadership is not to have influence in the Middle East, but rather lead the world fight against Global Warming in the Paris COP. This morning he told Stephanopolis (a liberal newsperson) that ISIS has been contained!
Oh, the irony.

Janice Moore

“… and we have contained them…. [ISIS] has not gained ground in Iraq…” {B. Hussein, this morning)

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Nope. Just in Europe.

John F. Hultquist

The “contained/decapitate” remark by the POTUS is a clue that he hasn’t got one. Quite a number of drug cartels have been “decapitated” and the flow of drugs into the US hasn’t even been “contained.” Taliban leader Mullah Omar was dead for 2 years before anyone knew the group didn’t have a head. Now they have 2 or 3.

The biggest problem facing America is Global Warming…. riiiiiiiggghhht.

observa

Well we’ll soon see as these folk man up and declare the conference must go on in order to save mankind and these fundamentalists are just an isolated minority and not representative of the majority of peace loving Muslims everywhere. After all it could have happened in New York so not to overly worry but concentrate on the bigger picture of saving Gaia.

BFL

Must have been the videos (do I need a sarc).

They should probably reschedule it to take place in Reykjavik, Iceland, or maybe Greenland – probably no ISIS or ISIL members there – hopefully.

What a mess! Perhaps the world should focus on the real problems/threats to the globe/world. Too much emphasis on a non-problem = climate change/global warming.

Greg Cavanagh

I hear the North Pole is ice free these days, and a nice place to get a tan…

Hugs

Love the idea. Global warming negotiations in Nuuk, with Hawaian t-shirt dress code and drinks with an umbrella served at the beach.

FDink

How many of the assault weapons found their way there through Iran?
With fond reflections on the triumph of Obama and Kerry, along with the naive whimps who bought into them.

Janice Moore

And on TV news (so far), not one mention of “Muslims” or “Islam.” Huh. I just wonder who it might have been? Isis-friendly websites are celebrating, FWIW.
Poor widdo fellas, just that low self-esteem thing, huh?
Re: Muslim Self-esteem and NASA

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How’s that appeasement (via NASA) strategy workin’ out for ya, Barack “my Muslim faith” Hussein?
{Thank you, Eric Worrall for alerting us to this — I would not have turned on the news but for your e mail}

Janice Moore

Meh. Probably just another “one-off.”
Janet Napolitano (B. Hussein’s former official)

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Janice Moore

Maybe those Muslim unidentified young men in Paris watched an upsetting video … then got so mad they just had go kill some people….
“What Difference Does It Make” video of Hilary “it was a video” Clinton

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ralfellis

If you want to know the truth about Clinton and Benghazi, listen to Robert Spencer. Spencer is the world’s greatest authority on the history of Islam.
Robert Spencer on Clinton:

ralfellis

The Muslim Golden Age never happened, it is a lie, they never invented anything. Everything was prior inventions by Romans, Greeks and Persians:
https://www.academia.edu/8749355/Islamic_Inventions_were_Roman_Greek_and_Persian

John Endicott

reminds me of Chekov from Star Trek when he talks about all the things Russia invented
https://youtu.be/IC6W8J0j8Co

MarkW

Funny story about the character Chekov. He was added after the producers received a complaint from the Russian agency that in such a international crew, there was no Russian character.
So the producers added a Russian crewman, but made him the stereotypical Russian. During this time in history, the Russians had become famous for claiming credit for everything important.

This is bad. I hope all hostages are rescued.

Gloateus Maximus

Friends in Paris say that hostages are reportedly using cell phones to report they are being systematically shot.
Can’t verify. First reports are usually wrong, of course. I devoutly hope so.

I know that today’s terrorists don’t generally hang around – I guess they know they will be swarmed and likely taken down. What’s happening now is very bad and I know it’s foolish to hope for all. I just hope it all ends quickly and that there are survivors.

Steve Reilly

And, dare I say it, none of them have guns, so they just have to get on their knees and be slaughtered.

Gloateus Maximus

A gun-free zone of 2.2 million, except for the police.
Easy pickings for mass murdering savages.

Gloateus Maximus

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/01/daniel-zimmerman/mon-dieu-a-review-of-french-gun-laws/
Full-auto firearms are a big no-no for civilians in France, so I guess those select-fire AK-wielding terrs must be breaking the law, huh?

Gloateus Maximus

Appears not. The worst barbarity. The murderers might keep a few hostages in order to attempt a getaway.
-Confirmed death toll at 140 following a series of coordinated attacks around Paris on Friday evening. Approximately 100 of the victims were killed in Bataclan concert hall.
– President Hollande declares a state of emergency, closes French borders. President’s planned trip to G20 meeting in Turkey cancelled.
– Reuters confirms end of siege at Bataclan theatre where police have killed two attackers. More than 60 people were held hostage at the Eagles of Death Metal concert. The venue is very near the offices of Charlie Hebdo.
– Police source tells AP attackers at Bataclan “tossed explosives into the crowd” and describes “carnage” in theatre.
– Witness at Bataclan tells AFP that an attacker shouted “This is for Syria”.
– French police confirm three casualties following a bombing at Gate J of Stade de France football arena, north of Paris during a France-Germany friendly match.
– At least one gunman opened fire at Petit Cambodge restaurant in Paris’s 10th district, and nearby Le Carillon Bar.
– Attacks also reported at Les Halle’s and Belle Equipe bar, BBC says.
– Airports are expected to remain open, but travelers are advised to contact their carriers for details.
– President Obama vows to do “whatever it takes” to bring terrorists to justice. (That should scare them! Another red line in the sand.)

Gloateus Maximus

The use of suicide bombers is a very bad sign for the future.

Tucci78

In his summary, Gloateus Maximus writes:

– President Obama vows to do “whatever it takes” to bring terrorists to justice. (That should scare them! Another red line in the sand.)

Not that they’d be able to see that “red line.”
Too much blood.

Let those who fight in the cause of God who barter the life of this world for that which is to come; for whoever fights on God’s path, whether he is killed or triumphs, We will give him a handsome reward.

— Holy Qu’ran, Sura iv, 74

jorgekafkazar

President Obama vows to do “whatever it takes” to bring terrorists to justice. (That should scare them! Another red line in the sand.)
You mean, another yellow line in the sand.

BFL

Hard to make that yellow line while bowing to the East.

woz

Commentary from at least one interviewed “expert” on Australian Channel 9 news this morning states unequivocally that in the wake of these attacks, COP21 WILL be cancelled/deferred/rescheduled/whatever.

MarkW

I can’t imagine it going on as planned.

Tucci78

woz comments:

Commentary from at least one interviewed “expert” on Australian Channel 9 news this morning states unequivocally that in the wake of these attacks, COP21 WILL be cancelled/deferred/rescheduled/whatever.

Considering developments in climate conditions worldwide – and political developments pertinent to Obozo’s “Clean Power Plan” being emphatically rejected by the enraged American people (“Pound sand!” states the newly-elected governor of Kentucky in response to our Indonesian-in-Chief’s E.P.A.), this Islamic terrorist attack on Paris must be viewed as a veritable gift from Allah.
The fraudsters might well be happy to forego this opportunity for yet another exercise in luxurious indulgence at the taxpayers’ expense, given that it’s not only foredoomed to failure but puts them squarely in the gunsights of increasingly voluble “haters” in every nation of the Western world.

Faith is essentially intolerant … essentially because necessarily bound up with faith is the illusion that one’s cause is also God’s cause.

— Ludwig Feuerbach

MarkW

Then how do you explain the intolerance of atheists?

BFL

“Then how do you explain the intolerance of atheists?”
I think that you are mistaking their wry remarks about what they consider the defective logic of religion as “intolerance”. I would believe that they don’t try to convert (unlike some pushy religious types) and typically have a general logical disdain for comments thereof.

This attack was clearly planned months ahead (with an estimated 2 dozen operatives at 6 different sites). Today several of the attackers claimed retaliation for the attack and ISIS in Syria in the last few days. Is it possible this WAS planned for COP 21, but moved up because of the West’s recent move on ISIS? (and of course if they forced a delay in that event, they still won.)

Gloateus Maximus

The choice of venues attacked suggests to me that it was planned for today, but I guess they could have switched targets.
France has been involved in the anti-ISIS campaign for some time.

Sceptical Sam

It was planned for today.
Friday 13th.
Black Friday. Black flag.
But don’t be surprised if there’s a follow-up on 11 November.

Sceptical Sam

Scratch November 11. Watch next year

Gary Pearse

climate change isn’t something on the minds of this group. Trust me, it was going to occur with or without climate change.

ozspeaksup

I know I read at least a week or more back that France was on alert for attacks..looks like they goofed or missed the place n time
but yeah the climatecuckoo meeting would have been a ripper time n place global participants Max value for terror
they have a “problem” as does UK with huge areas with almost all mideast residents
as does Sweden
and all the rapes in sweden germany etc are very very carefully NOT mentioning the nationality/cult of the offenders
not talking about it..does NOT make it go away

Leaders need to start rounding them up and shipping them back home, at gunpoint if necessary.
They all are not radicals, but all it takes is one; it is not worth it to risk the safety of my children for the sake of multiculturalism and the liberal view that we can all get along. Diversity plus proximity equals war. Always has, always will.

simple-touriste

“Diversity plus proximity equals war.”
The funny thing is when we are told, all the time, that arbitrary straight-lines frontiers made by colonialists powers (countries of the “North”) in Africa made absurd states with ethnically and religiously diverse people that are thus not viable, and the same PC commentators tell us that the countries of the “North” must accept refugees or “migrants” or immigrants from these very intolerant and racist “South” populations, and all will be good, and if not, it’s because of racism by white people – when racism is the (implicit) excuse given for the instability in “arbitrarily delimited” African countries.
These PC leftist commentators are simply RACISTS. These “experts” or “intellectuals” accept, excuse and justify racism from people of some continent, and they excuse religious intolerance.
This hypocrisy is not for reasons for economic dependency or need of oil, unlike the politically practical hypocrisy in the ME. This is pure dogma of “inferior races” (or something, we aren’t supposed to say “race” like the left of the last century did). Of course the “intellectuals” don’t explicitly think “inferior race”, they just expect less from these people in term of respect of human rights. This is even more true about (alleged) “Palestinians”.

Leon Brozyna

Wonder how that “religion of peace” meme is working out …
I’m fairly certain that there are plenty of eunuch politicians still around who’ll keep spouting this nonsense.

Leon you are close but, it is a religion of piece. They are after a bigger piece, and they could care less of peace.

MarkW

Religion of Pieces, as in blown into.

Sun Spot

Mohamed began his life as a prophet of peace and ended his life as a murderous General. That other guy, the one that is at the root of western peace, started and end his life as a proponent of peace.

u.k.(us)

An ant or two in the house is not a cause for major concern, but when they come in by the tens or hundreds, it becomes no holds barred.

Rodzki of Oz

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Rodzki of Oz

It was a sarcastic comment – but yes, I left the /sarc marker off.

RD

Perhaps they can change the climate conference agenda from an imaginary global warming threat to the very real danger of radical Islamists?

I doubt the target was COP21 or they would have waited. But it is a sad thing for the City of Lights and all of France. Best wishes to my French friends.
I would think they must have to rethink COP21 or quadruple security. A lot of heads of state must be reconsidering. But then, if in fact, Climate Change IS the biggest threat to world security – how can they not attend?
Into the valley of death rode the 40,000 …
http://www.nationalcenter.org/ChargeoftheLightBrigade.html
It is a sad day.

Paul Westhaver

Anthony and Eric,
Of course our hearts are breaking for the victims. Terrible things happen when good men fail to act.
Good men have been bullied by the likes of Paul Ehrlich to shut up in the face of an all out assault on our civilization.
This has happened in Paris because we..(me included) have failed to be convincing enough to force politicians to set aside the CAGW trivialities in the face of mass murder.
I fear the end is near and it is my fault for failing those who depend our cooler minds.
The world is now as Obama and his leftist activists desires it to be. Chaos.

Jim in London

But they didn’t count on us Skeptics ,now we really are a movement.

jorgekafkazar

I’ve been counting out in the streets for a long time, and so far Greens outnumber Skeptics there 124,347 to 0. That’s not a movement; that’s a wringing of hands.

MarkW

Most skeptics have jobs, which makes it hard for them to spend most of their time in the streets.

William

Just a rehearsal for the big event?

RD

OMG please not.

It’s gonna happen, you know. Iran is being given hudreds of $billions. They don’t even have to build a bomb, with that kind of money they can buy some.
Islam delenda est, folks.

BFL

Might want to follow up with this one, also complete with survival methods, assuming that you are able and want to…..
The Day After Midnight: The Effects of Nuclear War
http://www.amazon.com/The-Day-After-Midnight-Effects/dp/0917352114

Paul Westhaver

Yeah. It is coming and I cannot rely on my brothers for help. They are too busy undermining me and the fabric of society, by way of sloth, intellectual laziness, self serving egoism, and moral depravity.

I’m not sure COP21 would be a target. I’d have thought these terrorists would want to see the western world brought down – which is what the world’s leaders are hoping to achieve with their meeting in Paris. However, so many Heads of State would be tempting, so it would be better to reschedule or – better still – cancel.

ozspeaksup

and I expect this to upset a few
but PC to hell!
if they had to take out a few
then the warmist gabfest as a target would have at least served some good.
whereas now its mainly young kids who werent harming the worlds smooth running(ok not smooth but normal)
as opposed to those who will, given power they are pushing for, cause far more deaths n misery over the long term.

Agreed. I also think it’s time for PC to be scrapped. Look where it’s got us.

keeffromlondon

The news so far from Paris is appalling. As the attack is still in progress, I fear more casualties are to come. My heart goes out to those caught up in this attack, and for the too many families and friends of those killed.
The key concern now for France will be to end the attack with as few casualties and as quickly as possible. The conference is trivial in comparison to tonight’s events.
That said, the cancellation of the conference would be portrayed by the terrorists as a major victory. I do not want them gain even a centime from their actions, let alone the substantial propaganda coup of cancelation. Nor, I expect, would France.

Jim in London

What when Obama says the COP21 will be a tribute to those that died
Obama Spinning his political Grandstanding in with this appalling atrocity

MarkW

Earlier today Obama declared that Isis was contained.
While my heart goes out to the French people, I can’t help but remember that for years the French have been amongst the leaders of the movement to make nice with the Islamists under the theory that if we prove to them that we care, they would stop murdering people.
As always, it didn’t work.

if we prove to them that we care, they would stop murdering people.
=============
history shows over and over again that your enemy will interpret this as weakness and will be encouraged to attack. peace in our time is a recipe for war.

NZ Willy

“the French have been amongst the leaders of the movement to make nice with the Islamists”. Totally right,and it dates back to the Algerian rebellion in which the 2 million French settlers were given the choice of “the suitcase or the coffin”. After the French fled, the Algerians discovered, to their astonishment, that the French would continue to allow the Algerians to settle *in France* even though the French had been so harshly dealt to in Algeria. Thus, the origin of the 7 million Muslims now living in France. This was an act of such idiocy, by the French, that their just deserts (so to speak) has been a long time in coming, but that time has come.

jrkrideau

“the French would continue to allow the Algerians to settle *in France*”
I believe that was known as not abandoning your friends and allies.

Update 2: … and that the guilty will be brought to justice.
The “guilty” include enablers.

Yup.

ozspeaksup

you mean the airdropped weapons to…anyone who found the crates recently,
vetted moderates they said..ha ha ha
I am waiting for murrikan media to try n spin this to
its all Putins fault.
cos Russia actually DID give ISIL ISIS a pounding.
upset the murderous basta**s 🙂
tsk tsk
of course french arms sales to many regions where it should be sanctioned…doesnt count I guess?

Western civilization better not only wake up, it better do something called fight back.
I agree with the poster that noted that the AGW crowd will have the blood of many abbreviated lifetimes on their hands, but this is still much, much worse.
Prayers for the poor citizens of European countries.

NZ Willy

There are much larger issues here, but as for COP21, it’ll be cancelled and good riddance. A very thin silver lining to the cloud.

Jim in London

First rule of the of the Climate Skeptics movement is our believe in freedom and democracy and that’s what makes us better than any scumbag terrorist and any bullying Climate Alarmist.
Best thing is GOP 21 goes ahead and the best tribute the Climate Skeptic movement can pay to those that died in Paris is to go to Paris and keep arguing and keep debating and keep challenging Climate Change Dogma and keep our democracy strong.

Simon

No we must not allow terrorists to alter the world we live in with their fear. COP21 must go ahead.

Janice Moore

Uh… Ben D? (smile) I THINK you meant to post your video here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/11/13/congress-passes-space-mining-act-there-are-no-limits-to-growth/
(happens to the best of us)

Thank you for your nice approach Janice…. 🙂

Janice Moore

You’re welcome, Mr. Ben D, and thank you. Wish I could have whispered it in your ear — only way to tell you was to ANNOUNCE it, here. Looks like a very good video. I hope people will watch it after you went to the trouble to find it. Janice 🙂

Mike the Morlock

Watched it, good but will be lost on this dark day Ben D if you read this post it again on a less tragic day it is of value
michael

Gloateus Maximus

Glad you appreciated it Mike…yes I am following the shocking Paris event with disgust…it is indeed a dark day, but I fear it is not the last…

Gloateus Maximus

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gnome

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Gloateus Maximus

Or body bags, at the very least.

Mike the Morlock

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Gloateus Maximus

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Mike the Morlock

Gloateus Maximus
My country is the only one to ever use nuclear weapons. Not test them use them. It shows how far we will go. While I fear when my Nation is angered others should crap their pants in utter terror. We have a overlong fuse but once it is lite.
Think not? a comment from 1979 “whats the weather report for downtown Tehran tomorrow? 5000 degrees and cloudy.
Whats tomorrows the weather report for ……..
michael

Tucci78

Wriies Mike the Morlock:

My country is the only one to ever use nuclear weapons. Not test them use them. It shows how far we will go. While I fear when my Nation is angered others should crap their pants in utter terror. We have a overlong fuse but once it is lit….

Yep.

The American way of street and town fighting did not resemble that of other armies. To Americans, flesh and blood and lives have always been more precious than sticks and stones, however assembled. An American commander, faced with taking the Louvre from a defending enemy, unquestionably would have blown it apart or burned it down without hesitation if such would save the life of one of his men. And he would be acting in complete accord with American ideals and ethics in doing so. Already, in the Korean War, American units were proceeding to destroy utterly enemy-held towns and villages rather than engage in the costly business of reducing them block by block with men and bayonets, as did European armies. If bombing and artillery would save lives, even though they destroyed sites of beauty and history, saving lived obviously had preference. And already foreign observers with the United States Army – not ROK’s – were beginning to criticize such tactics.
Observers from France and Britain, realizing that war was also highly possible in their own part of the world, were disturbed at the thought of a ground defense of their homelands. For the United States Army, according to its history and doctrine, would choose the lives of its men over the continued existence of storied cathedrals. These observers wrote news releases – and soon Frank Munoz
[a company-grade infantry officer] could get no artillery on the enemy assembling in plain sight in the villages below him. When he asked Battalion to fire on the village, and burn it down, Battalion replied it could not. Fortunately, such orders in Korea were soon changed.

— T.R. Fehrenbach, This Kind of War (1963)

Mike the Morlock

Thanks
michael
oh and from an earlier thread ..do you have any Grey Poupon?
michael

Tucci78

Mike the Morlock writes:

oh and from an earlier thread ..do you have any Grey Poupon?

But of course. However, I’ve always held that Eloi tartare is best served with nước mắm.
And, of course, fava beans and a nice chianti.

If he [Franklin Delano Roosevelt] became convinced tomorrow that coming out for cannibalism would get him the votes he needs so sorely, he would begin fattening a missionary in the White House yard come Wednesday.

— H.L. Mencken, The American Mercury (March 1936)

Mike the Morlock

I yield.
for the moment..
michael

Mike the Morlock

Have not been exposed to nước mắm.
Its on my list.
michael

Alan Robertson

“I’ve always held that Eloi tartare is best served with nước mắm.
And, of course, fava beans and a nice chianti.”
———————–
Chianti? That fishy smelly nước mắm needs washed down with at least a couple of cans of ’33’.

Gloateus Maximus

Two words: Monte Cassino.
Of course the British weren’t shy about blowing up and burning down historic architecture, either. But that was RAF Bomber Command. Monty, the ground forces CO, however approved the destruction of Caen during the invasion of Normandy.

mebbe

Sacred American lives, maybe, but development of the neutron bomb was done with the aim of killing all the enemy and leaving the buildings intact.

Gloateus Maximus

No, it wasn’t. That’s a Soviet propaganda lie. The KGB came up with the line, “the perfect capitalist weapon, which kills people but leaves property intact”. They had to stop it because it would stop them if they decided to pour through the Fulda Gap.
It was invented as an anti-tank weapon, to stop massed Soviet armored attacks with a minimum of damage to German towns. It’s not a bomb. It’s an artillery or short-range rocket projectile, ie a tactical, battlefield weapon, never intended to be used on cities, but in the open space between built-up areas.

TA

I was stationed at Wildflicken, Germany, back in 1968. It was a NATO nuclear base and our main function was to stop a Soviet tank attack coming through the Fulda Gap. We used to have nuclear alert drills where everyone on the mountain was required to get off the mountain as fast and as far away as possible, in anticipation of a Soviet nuclear attack on the military base.
There’s a lot of snow in that area! Beautiful country, and I was treated very well by the Germans I met. Sure do hate to think of it turning into a Caliphate.
TA

Gloateus Maximus

TA,
So you missed out on the propaganda war unleashed by the KGB against the “neutron bomb” in the 1970s.
The low-yield, tactical nuke arty rounds of the ’60s (which you presumably stored) would have worked against invading Red Army Tank Armies, but only at the cost of destroying some of the German villages we were trying to save, especially in your AO.
Sam Cohen’s ERW rode to the rescue. Naturally the ghoul Andropov had to stop this game-changer, so launched a furious propaganda campaign which the useful idiot of the Euroweenie Left naturally fell for hook, line and sinker.

rah

Winter of 1988 the SF team I was serving on did a little training exercise right in that area near Archfeld. The first phase was observation of border without being detected. The second phase was an unassisted escape and evasion exercise. The first phase lasted a week and the E. German border guards with their towers, fences, dogs, and helicopters apparently had no idea we were there until we let them know by openly showing ourselves the day we left.
After spending a week tactical in the German winter we took a little break before we began the second phase and were taken in by a German family which had a Dairy farm. It was quite an experience. They put us up in their bakery room where once a week they baked their own bread and the Frau brought us a big pot of heated Grog. Much appreciated. During the day we helped the farmer out cleaning stables and move a pile of turnips etc. He invited us to have dinner with his family. At the table sat his son with his wife who had a baby and his father and mother. four generations of the family living there together. I asked him how long his family had worked that farm and his answer was over 500 years.

TA

rah wrote:
November 15, 2015 at 4:41 am
“Winter of 1988 the SF team I was serving on did a little training exercise right in that area near Archfeld. The first phase was observation of border without being detected. The second phase was an unassisted escape and evasion exercise. The first phase lasted a week and the E. German border guards with their towers, fences, dogs, and helicopters apparently had no idea we were there until we let them know by openly showing ourselves the day we left.”
That’s funny. In 1968, my small unit of four men was out in the wilderness around Wildflicken, doing our thing, and we had a tent pitched out in the middle of nowhere, with three feet of snow all around.
One morning, I was the first one out of the tent and I stood there for a moment just looking at all the snow, not suspecting anything, and then not 15 feet away from me, an armed man in a snowsuit stood up, and whistled and another 10 or 12 men stood up out of the snow all around the tent, and then they all marched off through the woods without ever saying a word.
It turns out they were German commadoes and they were practicing their stealth movements on me and my guys! It was quite a surprise.
TA

By closing the borders can’t authorities easily prevent the ‘wrong’ people from attending COP 21?

ratuma

but soros said the borders have to be open

Some people still don’t understand these poll numbers:
http://i1.wp.com/atr.rollcall.com/wp-content/uploads/YouGov-GOPImmigration-1.jpg

I suspect it’s because Trump is a YUUUGE threat to globalism.

Donald Trump’s proposals:
1. Mandate e-verify
2. Strengthen interior enforcement
3. End visa overstays
4. Stop amnesty
5. Improve border enforcement
6. Reduce illegal immigration rewards
7. Build the wall
8. Create Illegal Alien Hotline (Not anonymous)
9. Cut off Federal Funding for Sanctuary Cities
10. Create “Sheriff Joe Prisons” for Illegal aliens convicted of committing crimes in the U.S., beyond the crime of actually being here illegally

What’s wrong with that?

Gloateus Maximus

How about a reward for No. 8?

Absolutely nothing. TRUMP 2016!

David Ball

dbstealy, I have to let you know, I have the feeling I am being told exactly what I want to here.

David Ball

I posted that in reply to dbstealy and it ended up here. Curious.
[WordPress has major problems with comment time stamps. ~mod]

David Ball

This one ended up here. Something definitely wrong.

Mike McMillan

Ditto.

No “Repeal Obamacare” as No. 1.

Khwarizmi

“What wrong with that?”
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It’s not in the Jewish interest?
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Those leading an active push for the bill, which will offer a path to citizenship for some of the nation’s 11 million undocumented aliens, include the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, the American Jewish Committee, the Anti-Defamation League, the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, Bend the Arc and the National Council of Jewish Women.
[…]
California, with 2.6 million undocumented residents, is a front line in the battle for this reform. And a Jewish establishment ever mindful of its need to operate through alliances and coalitions to advance its own interests is not blind to the implications of the issue in a country whose demography is shifting rapidly. In addition to working with Latino groups, the ADL’s Southwest regional office has forged alliances with Asian groups representing undocumented Koreans, Chinese, Filipino and other Asian Pacific immigrants in the Southland.
“It’s the ethical thing to do,” said HIAS president and CEO Mark Hetfield, of the community’s immigration reform activism. But he quickly added, “It’s in our strategic interest.”
http://forward.com/news/179296/jews-unite-behind-push-for-immigration-reform/
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The notion that Jews are “united” on anything at all, and have a common view of what is “in the Jewish interest” is laughable to anyone with even minimal observational skills. You have to pretend that a lot of Jewish lobby groups with opposite positions don’t exist. You have to explain why most Jews vote democrat even though it is the Republicans who are most pro-Israel. Is that part of this homogeneous Jewish “strategy” also? You should stick to comments about the science which are usually spot on. When you delve into politics, you immediately start spewing hatred and conspiracy theories, which is unfortunate.
Too bad because the real tragedy of what has happened in Paris is that it is getting wall to wall coverage by the MSM. Not that it wasn’t a horrific attack or pure hatred and rage aimed at absolutely innocent bystanders. But because he MSM hasn’t devoted a fraction of the coverage to the carnage in Syria where in just four years, two hundred and fifty thousand people have been killed, mostly by the goverment forces thsemelves (not ISIS) and the western world has stood by wringing their hands in sorrow and sending in sporadic bombing runs.
If the attendees to COPS21, many who have already declared that hey are at war with ISIS were to turn their focus on cleaning up Syria, it would happen in a matter of weeks. ISIS has berhaps 30,000 fighters with AK-47’s and a few toyota pickups with 50 cal mahine guns in the back. Supposedly fighting them are almost the entire allied armies of world war two combined with almost all the asxis countries from the other side of was, and they are armed with tanks, APC’s, satellite surveillance systems, fighter gets, helicopter gun ships, surface to surface missled, droned with surface to groun missiles, not to mention cruise missiles, and a combined standing army of millions of soldiers. If the western world were as committed to climate change as their are to ending the conflict in Syria, they could destroy iSIL and Assad in a period a couple of weeks. But their are mostly located into the creation of the perception that they are doing something when they are doing nearly nothing.
I hope COP21 ayttendees are as united as the Jews are on imigration reform and as united as they are on Syria when they come to a Climate Change treaty, as it will end up just as ineffective.

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Khwarizmi November 13, 2015 at 9:24 pm
“What wrong with that?”
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It’s not in the Jewish interest?

u.k.(us)

The Jewish interest being,…. what ?

observa

I suspect it’s the normal imperative of survival for their fellow Israelis from being driven into the sea once they recognize all the hot air in the UN from the gaggle of gangsters won’t save them-
http://www.sixdaywar.co.uk/independent_israels_pre-emptive_defensive_strike.htm
But like any of us in free democracies, not a universal agreement on the means to that goal, once the immediate imperative has passed and I suspect French citizens are grappling with that very conundrum now.

WellsaidonthejewssirMeantimeihavekeyboadissues

Mike McMillan

Immigration is Rubio’s weakest point.
Here’s how they stack up from a conservative view:
Candidate Scorecard

Gary Pearse

Most called Ronald Reagan Bonzo’s supporting actor for president-
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=picture+ronald+reagan+and+bonzo&t=ffnt
. – and remarked he was a grade B movie star. How could America vote in such a guy? Well, it turned out rather well. US despondency and self esteem after the Vietnam war were given a way to believe in America again and he engineered with his American swagger the fall of the Iron Curtain. I know there will be a gaggle of dissenters to this issue.
I see the American people on the right are looking to Donald Trump, who, I wouldn’t have given a snowball’s chance in hell. But he is offering control on immigration and even reversal of illegal immigration and the promised wall that the Democrats scuttled. The situation in EU and America isn’t the job of rearranging the deck chairs which is all you will get from the current crop of political wussies. It will take draconian iconoclastic leaders to do the task that really must be done before it’s too late. They will also take care of the UN and the CAGW issue as well and return sanity and a sense that someone cares about their own citizens. Oh there will be whining and tears by the left, but a thick skinned leader is needed to save the crocodiles from themselves, even though they are snapping at your ass while doing so.
Something major has to be done to fix all this and to return the education system and the entire slate of institutions back to the job of real education, the kind of knowledge that isn’t political science. These leaders will have a lot of flak sent their way by a large, scared academic body of demogogues and cultural marxbrothers, particularly when universities are of necessity shrunk back down to real educational activities. The UN will need to be recommissioned back as a place to talk between belligerents to try to avert wars and all the social programs defunded and shutdown or, alternatively, quietly withdraw from the organization. The UN.t is a mattress full of bedbugs.

dickon66

Reagan was a great US president. He did not, however, use “his American swagger” to ‘engineer’ a result. He was a statesman (probably the last to occupy the White House), he had strong foreign policies and negotiated several critical treaties from a position of strength, and with a great deal of understanding and finesse. Unlike more recent presidents, he rarely resorted to crude bullying and bluff tactics to achieve his results, and he probably did more for world peace than any US president since.

Steve Reilly

Right on! Where are people like Reagan when we need them?

dickon66,
Very well put. No President since has been as classy or as competent.
The original Presidents weren’t career anything; they just wanted what was best for the country. Makers me wonder why we should even be looking at most of the career politicians. Or any of them, for that matter (although Reagan was a governor; good admin experience).

prevent the ‘wrong’ people from attending COP 21?
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The French have moved swiftly to add a check box to their immigration form:
“Are you or have you ever been a terrorist?” YES NO

Menicholas

Oh a checkbox! That oughta do it.

Gary Pearse

Linda, you are indeed a skeptical person!!!!

Gloateus Maximus

Happily, we no longer need nukes to inflict major punishment. We still need them to deter their use against us, but that’s about it.
Israel would have to use nukes against deep, hardened targets in Iran, because they don’t have bombers, but we can use conventional penetrating ordnance. (I guess they could try to deliver 30,000 pound bombs with C-130s, but Herky Birds are a lot easier to shoot down than a B-2.)

Catcracking

The agreement with Iran apparently allows them the get air defense missiles from Russia to neutralize these weapons. Good Luck

Gloateus Maximus

S-300s or the Iranian equivalent, which they claim to have made, would disappear on Night One of any bombing campaign. They can’t track stealth aircraft anyway. B-2 is a stealth aircraft.
Iran is a sitting duck for the USAF and USN.

Gloateus Maximus

In reply to Catcracking.

Menicholas

Our military was designed to have all the planes and bombs and weapons and hardware needed to defeat the USSR in an all out conflict.
Iran is a fly speck by comparison.
All that really counts is political will.
In a real war, one where we are attacked first, and the effort is all out and 100%, who ever attacked us will go straight to hell in a big giant hurry.

Janice Moore

You’re right, Michael (not a) Morlock.
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How many more Americans would you have watched the Imperial Japanese murder in their death camps before you (O Anti-Nuclear Bomb Kool-Aid Drinker) would have used the atomic bomb? Remember: we had to drop two… .

(youtube)

Janice Moore

Thanks to the above video’s short-sighted owner, you must go to youtube to see it. Don’t bother…
Here’s a longer one:

(youtube)

jorgekafkazar

Even after two nukes dropped on Japan, Japanese militarists wanted to continue the war. They even tried to intercept and destroy the recording made by Hirohito ordering a surrender. The fast-thinking manager of the radio station told the soldiers that the record had been sent to their other location across town. By the time the 20th Century samurai got there and found out they’d been fooled, the record had already been broadcast.

PeterK

Bang on Mike!

Mike
In NATO war games in the 70’s, administrators were surprised how often US Generals would go to the Nuclear solution when they were losing control of Europe. Now, real war is different … but if you are under attack and losing … and have your back to the sea, who will stop you from pulling the pin?
There are safeguards of course, but the results of those “games” still make people nervous.
We live in interesting times.

Gloateus Maximus

Not as bad as it sounds.
What they went to were “Enhanced Radiation Warheads”, which Soviet propaganda labeled “Neutron Bombs”. In fact, they are very low yield artillery projectiles designed to be used in between German villages (which are usually more than a km apart) against Soviet armored battalions. The fast neutrons penetrate the thin top armor of tanks and kill their crews (eventually). It’s the ultimate hard penetrator round, better than DU. The Red Army tried to cancel ERWs out with anti-neutron armor, but it wouldn’t have helped much.
The idea was that Germany had the right to use nukes on its own territory in self-defense. The risk was that the Russians wouldn’t see it that way, and use offensive tactical nukes on Germany’s soil, too.

Amatør1

“My country is the only one to ever use nuclear weapons.”

Gloateus Maximus

Conventional explosions.

Tucci78

On November 13, 2015 at 11:34 pm, Amatør1 posts what is alleged to be Youtube video of “Israeli / Saudi Arabia Tactical Nuclear Strike on Yemen (Neutron Bomb).
The events depicted are obviously and entirely the effects of chemical explosives being detonated. Amatør1 is either unfamiliar with explosives or is hoping to sucker people who aren’t.
أكل لحم الخنزير أو الموت!

tomdesabla

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What the world needs is a revival of the right to armed self defense for all people. Disarmed people are sitting ducks, and that is not a political comment; it is simply an established fact.

Gloateus Maximus

I’m all for arming the citizenry, but the West is at war. If we’re going to fight, do it for real.
If left to fester, ISIS will get nukes. Being nice hasn’t worked.

Tucci78

Writes tomdesabla:

What the world needs is a revival of the right to armed self defense for all people. Disarmed people are sitting ducks, and that is not a political comment; it is simply an established fact.

More properly, it would be recognition “of the right to armed self defense.” Such a right is unalienable, and cannot be forsworn by the individual human being. It needs no “revival,” merely recognition that it is being violated – infringed – by the agents of government whenever these thugs in public office so much as mention “gun control.”

One cannot legislate the maniacs off the street … these maniacs can only be shut down by an armed citizenry. Indeed bad things can happen in nations where the citizenry is armed, but not as bad as those which seem to be threatening our disarmed citizenry in this country at this time.

Lt. Col. Jeff Cooper, USMC

Gloateus Maximus

I’m a Gunsite grad. My brother was good friends with Jeff.

Gloateus Maximus

In reply to Tucci78.

Mike the Morlock

Gloateus Maximus November 13, 2015 at 7:31 pm
I’m a Gunsite grad. My brother was good friends with Jeff.
Enlighten ..Please.
My Dad was a crew chief at Sikorsky I also worked there. (along with many other defense Co.s)
Uncle to
My dad serviced the presidential Helio. until the early 1980s Ithink.
Of course he had a clearance, I found later that so did I
What a laugh I was 4F to enlist but I was ok to make parts for the Presidents Helio.
Then and NOW… NOT ON MY WATCH!
michael

Gloateus Maximus

Dunno if my brother would want me to use his name. He’s an aviation author in AZ who also writes on guns and was a high level IPSC and SASS competitor.
Don’t think he ever accompanied Jeff on safari, but went to the same places. Promoted the Scout Rifle concept from the git-go. Our dad was a Marine aviator in the Big One. Dunno how many .45s we went through, but both my brothers loaded countless rounds on Dillon presses. When he worked for Champlin Aviation Museum (aircraft collection sold to Seattle; gun collection broken up), the AZ brother also shot Dillon’s Quad Browning .50s and his aircraft-mounted miniguns.

RD

Well said tomdesabla. Thank you!

richard verney

Whilst I understand that carrying a gun might make you feel safer, and if you carry a gun you might consider that you have a degree over any situation,, but unfortunately, the fact is that violence only begets violence, and the more weapons that are available to the public, the more killings that take place.
How many have died in schools and in college campuses these past 12 months in the US? We don’t have that problem in Europe, especially not in the UK where gun control is at its tightest.
See The Washington Post article on gun ownership and gun killings per capital. It states:
“The United States has the highest gun ownership rate in the world and the highest per capita rate of firearm-related murders of all developed countries.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/gun-homicides-ownership/table/
Of course there are other countries far more violent than the US, particularly some in South America, and lawlessness in and around Mexico City, but there is no doubt that gun ownership net overall poses a greater risk to the population.

davideisenstadt

Richard: you owe it to yourself to actually read the study..it omitted states with very lenient gun control laws, which nonetheless had very low rates of violent crimes because the authors felt that since there was so little crime in those states, that the crime rate statistics were “unreliable”
really, read some John Lott.
CCW rates are negatively correlated with violent crime…that is, the greater proportion of civilians who have CCWs, the lower the rate of violent crime.
facts, inconvenient sometimes.

Tucci78

davideisenstadt remonstrates

…actually read the study..it omitted states with very lenient gun control laws, which nonetheless had very low rates of violent crimes because the authors felt that since there was so little crime in those states, that the crime rate statistics were “unreliable”
really, read some John Lott.
CCW rates are negatively correlated with violent crime…that is, the greater proportion of civilians who have CCWs, the lower the rate of violent crime.

The work of John Lott to which you might principally direct your correspondent is his More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws (1998, 2000, 2010), though his The Bias Against Guns: Why Almost Everything You’ve Heard about Gun Control Is Wrong (2003) is assuredly worthwhile as well. In the former title, Lott drew upon F.B.I. crime data – the single most unimpeachable nationwide dataset on the subject, which can be parsed by state, county, and city – to run statistical analyses of crime data in order to develop a measure of the effects of eleven different types of “gun control” laws on crime rates in those jurisdictions.
Another interesting title to consider is Stephen P. Hallbrook’s That Every Man Be Armed: The Evolution of a Constitutional Right (1984, 1994, 2000) which “…traces the Second Amendment’s origins from ancient Greece and Rome to 18th century France and England through the American Revolution, ratification of the Constitution and adoption of the Bill of Rights” in order to support Halbrook’s premise …the right to bear arms is in indispensable form of individual protection against both violent crime and government infringement of human liberties.”

In the late 1960s, violent crime in America had exploded to a point where one individual in three was pretty much guaranteed to be raped, mugged, or otherwise harmed by criminals, who ran no risk, because self-defense was socially out of style, and even illegal in some places. This gave rise to movies — which is how our culture works out its problems — like _Death Wish_ and _Dirty Harry_ in which ordinary people, failed by the authorities, took their own protection into their hands. In real life, they disregarded the “advice” of those authorities and took martial arts lessons, and bought guns.
At that time, Orlando, Florida was experiencing a sort of rape epidemic. Some genuine genius in the city government abandoned all of the conventional non-working counter-measures such things tend to provoke, and suggested that women show up for free, police-conducted shooting lessons in the park. They expected 400. They got 4000. When news of this got to the national level, the epidemic ceased. After years of stupid political debate, Florida made it microscopically easier to carry a gun legally, and violent crime declined in double digits.
This trend has continued, and the downtrend in crime has become a national phenomenon. A growing handful of states have even followed Vermont’s example, and eliminated all restrictions on carrying guns. Over the 45-year duration of this social revolution, violent crime in America has fallen 40 percent. The authorities and their media whores hate this, because it means there is no real need for them in society. Most violent crime survives in the inner-city-centers controlled by leftists.

— L. Neil Smith, “Paris: The High Price of Willful Ignorance” (15 November 2015)

rogerknights

“How many have died in schools and in college campuses these past 12 months in the US? We don’t have that problem in Europe, especially not in the UK where gun control is at its tightest.”
But there’s a trade-off in the increase in other crimes that occur in the UK because of the disarmed population. Home invasions, which often include violence against residents, are thrice as common in the UK, for instance.
“The United States has the highest gun ownership rate in the world and the highest per capita rate of firearm-related murders of all developed countries.”
I’ve read a claim (possibly false) that killings in the UK (and elsewhere in Europe??) are not counted as “murders” unless there’s a conviction.

Gloateus Maximus

BTW, cremation is not permissible in Islam.
Some US Marines got in trouble when I was in Afghanistan for burning the bodies of dead Taliban, filmed by an Australian journalist of my acquaintance.
It was summer. Afghanistan is hot. They couldn’t take the bodies into town. Burying them would have exposed the Marines to hostile fire.

Stephen Singer

The pacifist French have had two or three wake up calls by the Jihadist Muslims and apparently have blown them off mostly. Suppose they’ll get the message this time?
The United States government is doing the same thing unfortunately and not just by the Obama admin either though they are even more incompetent have any previous admin.
Will US congress wake up before this same horrific thing happens here?????/
If not we’ll have this here I think in less than two years.

Of course they will not wake up. They are the true deniers. They live in denial.

Gloateus Maximus

This could mean more boots on the ground at least in Iraq if not Syria, beyond the forces already returning to the region. Showing some backbone might even help his poll numbers, not that he cares much, only in so far as Hillary gets in to defend Obamacare. I won’t hold my breath waiting for him to admit that it was a mistake to let lose all our prisoners in Iraq and not to get a Status of Forces Agreement to keep there the 30,000 US troops recommended by McCain (one of my least favorite politicians, but right on that score), after so much blood and treasure spilt there.

Gary Pearse

Maybe boots on the ground in Europe! They’ve already been there for a couple of decades – stepping up in the ME will do nothing but maybe incite more from those already within the borders. I suspect there will be more in UK and Germany in particular – war hardened young men just arrived there.

Gloateus Maximus

Gary,
You raise a good point about the best strategy to follow in the culture clash. I don’t call it a war of civilizations because fundamentalist Islam isn’t civilized. Mecca and Medina were I grant you cities in the 7th century, but their denizens weren’t civilized in the 21st century sense of the term.
IMO expelling Muslims from Europe isn’t an option, although the Europeans do need better Humint in Islamic communities there and more cooperation with their leaders.
Many of my friends and comrades disagree, but IMO the only way to save Western Civilization is to carry the war, declared by our enemies, into their own homeland. Our victory there will be better for all the people of that sadly benighted region as well as for the West and the world in general.
What does “victory” mean? Obviously, it can’t be complete, which would require all Muslims to convert to Christianity or agnosticism and adopt the standards of civil society in the West. Given the actual situation on the ground in Iraq and Syria, a peaceful settlement, which might just mean a time out between rounds of senseless sectarian violence, would be Russian and Iranian client Assad with a rump Syria in the west of the country (ideally no more than the Alawite coastal homeland), the Damascus-Homs-Aleppo interior with a Sunni regime under Turkish suzerainty, eastern Syria, ie the desert and Euphrates Valley, attached to Anbar and Sunni Arab majority parts of other Iraqi provinces, a Kurdish autonomous region in both Iraq and Syria (which Turkey might grudgingly swallow in return for the reduction in Alawite control), and southern Iraq as a Shi’a Arab puppet state of Iran. This would be an interim settlement, but could stop the slaughter and stem the refugee flood.
Although of course the refugees are often more economic than political, fleeing poverty rather than war.

lee

Just a number of “lone Wolf” attacks or “Multiple Lone Wolf” attacks – not terrorism /sarc.

Marcus

They were not terrorists…they were poor suffering climate refuges !!!!!
Signed..Oblama !!

Marcus

ARRRRG !!! refugees !!!

EternalOptimist

Does anyone doubt that if these people got hold of a nuke, they would use it ?
Paris, London, Bonn , New York
and Obama thinks that global warming is a bigger threat ?
oh my.

Or even some chemical weapons or nuclear materials such as plutonium. What a mess that would create! Worse than 2 degrees of global warming in 100 years I think.

timbrom

Well, a light dusting of nukes would cause some localised warming.

Marcus

100 executed in Paris !!

David L. Hagen
Mike the Morlock

I have walked the streets of Paris.
I like the french,Paris. I mourn, later will come the fury
“Delenda est Carthago”
michael

Mardler

Official report now confirms 140 dead.
The AGW conference should be cancelled and the west should wake up to the growing clash of civilisations.

I hate to be morbid, but that is the count tonight. When the terrorists sprayed the audience, some were gravely wounded, and not all will survive.

Leon Brozyna

NBC News coverage of this horror briefly goes over to Sam Champion who does a little spiel for Gores 24 hours of reality before mentioning how chaotic is the scene around the Eiffel Tower …
and when COP 21 kicks off, this whole thing’ll all get rehashed … again.

Many voices have been crying in the wilderness, oft denigrated, being called racists, islamaphobes and worse.
Those touchy feely fools defending those that wish to harm us should hang their heads in shame, Paris is a wake up call, maybe a start to a real fight back, against an evil, a cancer we have allowed through stupidity to grow in our home lands.

Greg Cavanagh

Since the president was in the close vicinity himself, I’m sure he’s rethinking the idea too.
Maybe mass deportations are due. Something has to give; this so soon after the newspaper massacre in Paris should (I hope) make someone stand up and say “enough, this is not going to happen again”.

Gloateus Maximus

Not to mention the planned Belgian train attack thwarted by Americans.

emsnews

All of Europe is in an uproar with Germans finally figuring out they are next.

Unfortunately this murderous mess, is neither unthinkable or unpredictable.
These poor people are victims of their own leadership.
After the last bunch of maniacs were stopped, we surrendered the right to protect our laws and property to government officials, who now prosecute any citizen who has to defend their own lives.
These officials the police and the minions of the just-us department, have long proven that they cannot protect you, they can at best clean up the mess and prosecute the survivors.
As all canadians know, when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.
Now we are faced with fanatics again, their ideology shapes their actions.
They do not fear prosecution, they embrace death.
Cops, military, cannot defend the citizen from this kind of attacker.
They are only revealed when they start to kill.
Either we become prisoners in our homes, as the Parisians are tonight.
Or we take back the right to defend our lives and property.
Open carry by all citizens is the only defence.
The alternative is the old methods, of controlled populations, where the citizen may not go armed, travel is restricted and foreigners are excluded.
The fellow countrymen of any identified hostile are all rounded up and deported.
The state claims to protect and serve , the citizens lose all rights.
And no one is any safer.

Barbara

Hitler disarmed German Jews first and then the rest of the German people and then look what happened! No chance that the German people could slip arms to the Jewish people.
Human slaughter is not new to Europe. This is what the U.S. founders knew to be true.
Indeed, heartbreaking news from France.

This is what the U.S. founders knew to be true.
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The American Revolution, indeed the USA itself would not exist had the colonists been prohibited by the government from owning weapons. The problem is that terrorists have no problem securing weapons.
Imagine if the 100 hostages in Paris were all carrying weapons. How many of them would still be alive today? Instead of being systematically shot, there would have been 100 people shooting at 4 terrorists. I expect many dead hostages would have rather gone down fighting.
The right to self-defense is a human right that is denied by western governments, at great risk to its citizens.

sagi

France has long tolerated a growing shadow government of “no go zones”, and is too weak to do anything about it.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5128/france-no-go-zones

Paul Westhaver

Can this be? In the face of this tragedy will COP21 be cancelled?
Certainly it is at the bottom of the news cycle.

Sam The First

A photographer friend showing in Paris right now got out just as this was kicking off and is safely home. He posted on FB and sounds very shaken. Amongst what horrors we do live!
And I’m another who has been warning for decades (three at least) of the folly of admitting so many Muslims to Western countries: anyone with an understanding of the creed must have seen it would always go this way. Islam demands jihad of its adherents – that is a fact, however politicians and liberals like to fudge it.
I don’t believe this attack is aimed at COP21: if it had been they would have waited. Security is going to be increased tenfold now if the event goes ahead.

jorgekafkazar

If so, security will be zero outside the conference venues.

Ce soir, mon coeur est avec vous, ma bien-aimée Paris.
Pointman

Jimmy Haigh

This is nothing to do with COP21. This is raghead fundamentalism.

Jimmy Haigh

Remember all the “Je suis Charlie” faux-solidarity? Let’s have no more of that.

Gloateus Maximus
ratuma

although he is not my cup of tea, he has nothing to do with that –

Mike Smith

Meanwhile, folks across college campuses, Washington DC, and the mainstream media are fretting about micro-aggression’s and CO2.
Rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic seems highly rational in comparison.

flea

they told us they would move with the Syrian refugees and they did they told us they would do what they did
100k refugee’s and how many bombers .. who’s next ? the world has grown to PC