BREAKING News – Major Terrorist Atrocity in Paris, Just Weeks until COP21

See Update 6 – a poll has been added about whether the COP21 climate conference in Paris should continue as planned.

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Editorial cartoon by Josh

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

BREAKING NEWS – a major Terrorist attack is in progress in Paris, which will shortly host the COP21 Climate Conference. At least 140 40 people are reported to be dead, up to 100 hostages still unaccounted for.

According to Sky News Australia;

French police officials say at least 40 people have been killed in multiple attacks in Paris, including one near the Stade de France sports stadium and another at a concert venue.

French Media is reporting at least 60 people have been killed.

Fifteen of the victims have been killed at the Bataclan concert hall in eastern Paris, with reports saying a further 100 people have been taken hostage.

Others have been killed in explosions near the stadium just north of Paris, where a France-Germany football match was taking place, and in a restaurant shooting.

Read more: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2015/11/14/casualties-in-paris-restaurant-shooting.html#sthash.CgFoL84x.dpuf

Lets us all hope that French authorities manage to stop this horrific terrorist attack, with minimal further loss of life.

UPDATE by Anthony: I wonder if President Obama will rethink his threat priorities now, this from the White House Twitter feed in April:

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Update 2: I will add, that this is a terrible terrible thing, and I think I speak for all WUWT readers that our hearts go out to the victims and their families in Paris. Let’s hope there is a swift end to this, and that the guilty will be brought to justice.

Update 3: France is under a state of emergency, and has closed its borders:

“French President Francois Hollande declared a state of emergency and in a televised address to the nation announced that he was closing the country’s borders ‘to make sure that those who have committed these crimes can be stopped.’ He also indicated that authorities knew who was responsible for the attacks.”

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/13/dozens-killed-in-paris-terror-attacks?int=9b9e08

Update4: Meanwhile, Al Gore’s 24 hour climate change webcast is hosted at the Eiffel Tower.

http://news.yahoo.com/al-gore-hosting-climate-telethon-paris-eiffel-tower-163634484.html

It appears the 24 hours of reality/act on climate video feed is off now, probably a sensible thing to do.  Screencap from https://www.climaterealityproject.org/24hoursofreality

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Update 5: questions about COP21 already being asked according to BBC Europe editor Katya Adler:

cop21-paris-hosting-tweet

Update 5: Watch France 24 Live in English 

Update 6: Poll added, since this is being discussed in media worldwide now.

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MarkW
November 13, 2015 4:10 pm

Earlier today Obama declared that Isis was contained.
While my heart goes out to the French people, I can’t help but remember that for years the French have been amongst the leaders of the movement to make nice with the Islamists under the theory that if we prove to them that we care, they would stop murdering people.
As always, it didn’t work.

ferdberple
Reply to  MarkW
November 13, 2015 4:55 pm

if we prove to them that we care, they would stop murdering people.
=============
history shows over and over again that your enemy will interpret this as weakness and will be encouraged to attack. peace in our time is a recipe for war.

NZ Willy
Reply to  MarkW
November 13, 2015 6:00 pm

“the French have been amongst the leaders of the movement to make nice with the Islamists”. Totally right,and it dates back to the Algerian rebellion in which the 2 million French settlers were given the choice of “the suitcase or the coffin”. After the French fled, the Algerians discovered, to their astonishment, that the French would continue to allow the Algerians to settle *in France* even though the French had been so harshly dealt to in Algeria. Thus, the origin of the 7 million Muslims now living in France. This was an act of such idiocy, by the French, that their just deserts (so to speak) has been a long time in coming, but that time has come.

jrkrideau
Reply to  NZ Willy
November 14, 2015 4:54 am

“the French would continue to allow the Algerians to settle *in France*”
I believe that was known as not abandoning your friends and allies.

November 13, 2015 4:12 pm

Update 2: … and that the guilty will be brought to justice.
The “guilty” include enablers.

Reply to  pmhinsc
November 13, 2015 4:56 pm

Yup.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  pmhinsc
November 14, 2015 4:36 am

you mean the airdropped weapons to…anyone who found the crates recently,
vetted moderates they said..ha ha ha
I am waiting for murrikan media to try n spin this to
its all Putins fault.
cos Russia actually DID give ISIL ISIS a pounding.
upset the murderous basta**s 🙂
tsk tsk
of course french arms sales to many regions where it should be sanctioned…doesnt count I guess?

JBP
November 13, 2015 4:13 pm

Western civilization better not only wake up, it better do something called fight back.
I agree with the poster that noted that the AGW crowd will have the blood of many abbreviated lifetimes on their hands, but this is still much, much worse.
Prayers for the poor citizens of European countries.

NZ Willy
November 13, 2015 4:19 pm

There are much larger issues here, but as for COP21, it’ll be cancelled and good riddance. A very thin silver lining to the cloud.

Jim in London
Reply to  NZ Willy
November 14, 2015 12:29 am

First rule of the of the Climate Skeptics movement is our believe in freedom and democracy and that’s what makes us better than any scumbag terrorist and any bullying Climate Alarmist.
Best thing is GOP 21 goes ahead and the best tribute the Climate Skeptic movement can pay to those that died in Paris is to go to Paris and keep arguing and keep debating and keep challenging Climate Change Dogma and keep our democracy strong.

Simon
Reply to  NZ Willy
November 14, 2015 1:11 pm

No we must not allow terrorists to alter the world we live in with their fear. COP21 must go ahead.

Janice Moore
November 13, 2015 4:21 pm

Uh… Ben D? (smile) I THINK you meant to post your video here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/11/13/congress-passes-space-mining-act-there-are-no-limits-to-growth/
(happens to the best of us)

Reply to  Janice Moore
November 13, 2015 4:26 pm

Thank you for your nice approach Janice…. 🙂

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
November 13, 2015 4:31 pm

You’re welcome, Mr. Ben D, and thank you. Wish I could have whispered it in your ear — only way to tell you was to ANNOUNCE it, here. Looks like a very good video. I hope people will watch it after you went to the trouble to find it. Janice 🙂

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  Janice Moore
November 13, 2015 5:01 pm

Watched it, good but will be lost on this dark day Ben D if you read this post it again on a less tragic day it is of value
michael

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Mike the Morlock
November 13, 2015 5:16 pm
Reply to  Mike the Morlock
November 13, 2015 5:26 pm

Glad you appreciated it Mike…yes I am following the shocking Paris event with disgust…it is indeed a dark day, but I fear it is not the last…

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Ben D
November 13, 2015 5:31 pm

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gnome
Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
November 13, 2015 5:37 pm

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Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  gnome
November 13, 2015 5:46 pm

Or body bags, at the very least.

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
November 13, 2015 6:02 pm

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Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Mike the Morlock
November 13, 2015 6:09 pm

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Mike the Morlock
Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
November 13, 2015 6:46 pm

Gloateus Maximus
My country is the only one to ever use nuclear weapons. Not test them use them. It shows how far we will go. While I fear when my Nation is angered others should crap their pants in utter terror. We have a overlong fuse but once it is lite.
Think not? a comment from 1979 “whats the weather report for downtown Tehran tomorrow? 5000 degrees and cloudy.
Whats tomorrows the weather report for ……..
michael

Tucci78
Reply to  Mike the Morlock
November 13, 2015 6:52 pm

Wriies Mike the Morlock:

My country is the only one to ever use nuclear weapons. Not test them use them. It shows how far we will go. While I fear when my Nation is angered others should crap their pants in utter terror. We have a overlong fuse but once it is lit….

Yep.

The American way of street and town fighting did not resemble that of other armies. To Americans, flesh and blood and lives have always been more precious than sticks and stones, however assembled. An American commander, faced with taking the Louvre from a defending enemy, unquestionably would have blown it apart or burned it down without hesitation if such would save the life of one of his men. And he would be acting in complete accord with American ideals and ethics in doing so. Already, in the Korean War, American units were proceeding to destroy utterly enemy-held towns and villages rather than engage in the costly business of reducing them block by block with men and bayonets, as did European armies. If bombing and artillery would save lives, even though they destroyed sites of beauty and history, saving lived obviously had preference. And already foreign observers with the United States Army – not ROK’s – were beginning to criticize such tactics.
Observers from France and Britain, realizing that war was also highly possible in their own part of the world, were disturbed at the thought of a ground defense of their homelands. For the United States Army, according to its history and doctrine, would choose the lives of its men over the continued existence of storied cathedrals. These observers wrote news releases – and soon Frank Munoz
[a company-grade infantry officer] could get no artillery on the enemy assembling in plain sight in the villages below him. When he asked Battalion to fire on the village, and burn it down, Battalion replied it could not. Fortunately, such orders in Korea were soon changed.

— T.R. Fehrenbach, This Kind of War (1963)

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  Tucci78
November 13, 2015 7:23 pm

Thanks
michael
oh and from an earlier thread ..do you have any Grey Poupon?
michael

Tucci78
Reply to  Mike the Morlock
November 13, 2015 7:58 pm

Mike the Morlock writes:

oh and from an earlier thread ..do you have any Grey Poupon?

But of course. However, I’ve always held that Eloi tartare is best served with nước mắm.
And, of course, fava beans and a nice chianti.

If he [Franklin Delano Roosevelt] became convinced tomorrow that coming out for cannibalism would get him the votes he needs so sorely, he would begin fattening a missionary in the White House yard come Wednesday.

— H.L. Mencken, The American Mercury (March 1936)

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  Tucci78
November 13, 2015 8:12 pm

I yield.
for the moment..
michael

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  Tucci78
November 13, 2015 8:17 pm

Have not been exposed to nước mắm.
Its on my list.
michael

Alan Robertson
Reply to  Tucci78
November 14, 2015 7:04 am

“I’ve always held that Eloi tartare is best served with nước mắm.
And, of course, fava beans and a nice chianti.”
———————–
Chianti? That fishy smelly nước mắm needs washed down with at least a couple of cans of ’33’.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Tucci78
November 13, 2015 7:27 pm

Two words: Monte Cassino.
Of course the British weren’t shy about blowing up and burning down historic architecture, either. But that was RAF Bomber Command. Monty, the ground forces CO, however approved the destruction of Caen during the invasion of Normandy.

mebbe
Reply to  Tucci78
November 13, 2015 10:24 pm

Sacred American lives, maybe, but development of the neutron bomb was done with the aim of killing all the enemy and leaving the buildings intact.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  mebbe
November 13, 2015 10:30 pm

No, it wasn’t. That’s a Soviet propaganda lie. The KGB came up with the line, “the perfect capitalist weapon, which kills people but leaves property intact”. They had to stop it because it would stop them if they decided to pour through the Fulda Gap.
It was invented as an anti-tank weapon, to stop massed Soviet armored attacks with a minimum of damage to German towns. It’s not a bomb. It’s an artillery or short-range rocket projectile, ie a tactical, battlefield weapon, never intended to be used on cities, but in the open space between built-up areas.

TA
Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
November 14, 2015 2:32 pm

I was stationed at Wildflicken, Germany, back in 1968. It was a NATO nuclear base and our main function was to stop a Soviet tank attack coming through the Fulda Gap. We used to have nuclear alert drills where everyone on the mountain was required to get off the mountain as fast and as far away as possible, in anticipation of a Soviet nuclear attack on the military base.
There’s a lot of snow in that area! Beautiful country, and I was treated very well by the Germans I met. Sure do hate to think of it turning into a Caliphate.
TA

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  TA
November 14, 2015 4:36 pm

TA,
So you missed out on the propaganda war unleashed by the KGB against the “neutron bomb” in the 1970s.
The low-yield, tactical nuke arty rounds of the ’60s (which you presumably stored) would have worked against invading Red Army Tank Armies, but only at the cost of destroying some of the German villages we were trying to save, especially in your AO.
Sam Cohen’s ERW rode to the rescue. Naturally the ghoul Andropov had to stop this game-changer, so launched a furious propaganda campaign which the useful idiot of the Euroweenie Left naturally fell for hook, line and sinker.

rah
Reply to  TA
November 15, 2015 4:41 am

Winter of 1988 the SF team I was serving on did a little training exercise right in that area near Archfeld. The first phase was observation of border without being detected. The second phase was an unassisted escape and evasion exercise. The first phase lasted a week and the E. German border guards with their towers, fences, dogs, and helicopters apparently had no idea we were there until we let them know by openly showing ourselves the day we left.
After spending a week tactical in the German winter we took a little break before we began the second phase and were taken in by a German family which had a Dairy farm. It was quite an experience. They put us up in their bakery room where once a week they baked their own bread and the Frau brought us a big pot of heated Grog. Much appreciated. During the day we helped the farmer out cleaning stables and move a pile of turnips etc. He invited us to have dinner with his family. At the table sat his son with his wife who had a baby and his father and mother. four generations of the family living there together. I asked him how long his family had worked that farm and his answer was over 500 years.

TA
Reply to  rah
November 16, 2015 2:53 pm

rah wrote:
November 15, 2015 at 4:41 am
“Winter of 1988 the SF team I was serving on did a little training exercise right in that area near Archfeld. The first phase was observation of border without being detected. The second phase was an unassisted escape and evasion exercise. The first phase lasted a week and the E. German border guards with their towers, fences, dogs, and helicopters apparently had no idea we were there until we let them know by openly showing ourselves the day we left.”
That’s funny. In 1968, my small unit of four men was out in the wilderness around Wildflicken, doing our thing, and we had a tent pitched out in the middle of nowhere, with three feet of snow all around.
One morning, I was the first one out of the tent and I stood there for a moment just looking at all the snow, not suspecting anything, and then not 15 feet away from me, an armed man in a snowsuit stood up, and whistled and another 10 or 12 men stood up out of the snow all around the tent, and then they all marched off through the woods without ever saying a word.
It turns out they were German commadoes and they were practicing their stealth movements on me and my guys! It was quite a surprise.
TA

Reply to  Mike the Morlock
November 13, 2015 7:02 pm

By closing the borders can’t authorities easily prevent the ‘wrong’ people from attending COP 21?

ratuma
Reply to  Linda MacLeod Goodman
November 13, 2015 7:19 pm

but soros said the borders have to be open

Reply to  ratuma
November 13, 2015 7:27 pm

Some people still don’t understand these poll numbers:
http://i1.wp.com/atr.rollcall.com/wp-content/uploads/YouGov-GOPImmigration-1.jpg

Reply to  dbstealey
November 13, 2015 8:03 pm

I suspect it’s because Trump is a YUUUGE threat to globalism.

Reply to  Linda MacLeod Goodman
November 13, 2015 8:04 pm

Donald Trump’s proposals:
1. Mandate e-verify
2. Strengthen interior enforcement
3. End visa overstays
4. Stop amnesty
5. Improve border enforcement
6. Reduce illegal immigration rewards
7. Build the wall
8. Create Illegal Alien Hotline (Not anonymous)
9. Cut off Federal Funding for Sanctuary Cities
10. Create “Sheriff Joe Prisons” for Illegal aliens convicted of committing crimes in the U.S., beyond the crime of actually being here illegally

What’s wrong with that?

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  dbstealey
November 13, 2015 8:06 pm

How about a reward for No. 8?

Reply to  dbstealey
November 13, 2015 8:27 pm

Absolutely nothing. TRUMP 2016!

David Ball
Reply to  dbstealey
November 13, 2015 8:43 pm

dbstealy, I have to let you know, I have the feeling I am being told exactly what I want to here.

David Ball
Reply to  David Ball
November 13, 2015 8:45 pm

I posted that in reply to dbstealy and it ended up here. Curious.
[WordPress has major problems with comment time stamps. ~mod]

David Ball
Reply to  David Ball
November 13, 2015 8:47 pm

This one ended up here. Something definitely wrong.

Mike McMillan
Reply to  David Ball
November 13, 2015 9:17 pm

Ditto.

Reply to  dbstealey
November 13, 2015 8:51 pm

No “Repeal Obamacare” as No. 1.

Khwarizmi
Reply to  dbstealey
November 13, 2015 9:24 pm

“What wrong with that?”
=====================
It’s not in the Jewish interest?
* * * * * * * * * * * *
Those leading an active push for the bill, which will offer a path to citizenship for some of the nation’s 11 million undocumented aliens, include the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, the American Jewish Committee, the Anti-Defamation League, the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, Bend the Arc and the National Council of Jewish Women.
[…]
California, with 2.6 million undocumented residents, is a front line in the battle for this reform. And a Jewish establishment ever mindful of its need to operate through alliances and coalitions to advance its own interests is not blind to the implications of the issue in a country whose demography is shifting rapidly. In addition to working with Latino groups, the ADL’s Southwest regional office has forged alliances with Asian groups representing undocumented Koreans, Chinese, Filipino and other Asian Pacific immigrants in the Southland.
“It’s the ethical thing to do,” said HIAS president and CEO Mark Hetfield, of the community’s immigration reform activism. But he quickly added, “It’s in our strategic interest.”
http://forward.com/news/179296/jews-unite-behind-push-for-immigration-reform/
* * * * * * * * * * * *

Reply to  Khwarizmi
November 13, 2015 10:30 pm

The notion that Jews are “united” on anything at all, and have a common view of what is “in the Jewish interest” is laughable to anyone with even minimal observational skills. You have to pretend that a lot of Jewish lobby groups with opposite positions don’t exist. You have to explain why most Jews vote democrat even though it is the Republicans who are most pro-Israel. Is that part of this homogeneous Jewish “strategy” also? You should stick to comments about the science which are usually spot on. When you delve into politics, you immediately start spewing hatred and conspiracy theories, which is unfortunate.
Too bad because the real tragedy of what has happened in Paris is that it is getting wall to wall coverage by the MSM. Not that it wasn’t a horrific attack or pure hatred and rage aimed at absolutely innocent bystanders. But because he MSM hasn’t devoted a fraction of the coverage to the carnage in Syria where in just four years, two hundred and fifty thousand people have been killed, mostly by the goverment forces thsemelves (not ISIS) and the western world has stood by wringing their hands in sorrow and sending in sporadic bombing runs.
If the attendees to COPS21, many who have already declared that hey are at war with ISIS were to turn their focus on cleaning up Syria, it would happen in a matter of weeks. ISIS has berhaps 30,000 fighters with AK-47’s and a few toyota pickups with 50 cal mahine guns in the back. Supposedly fighting them are almost the entire allied armies of world war two combined with almost all the asxis countries from the other side of was, and they are armed with tanks, APC’s, satellite surveillance systems, fighter gets, helicopter gun ships, surface to surface missled, droned with surface to groun missiles, not to mention cruise missiles, and a combined standing army of millions of soldiers. If the western world were as committed to climate change as their are to ending the conflict in Syria, they could destroy iSIL and Assad in a period a couple of weeks. But their are mostly located into the creation of the perception that they are doing something when they are doing nearly nothing.
I hope COP21 ayttendees are as united as the Jews are on imigration reform and as united as they are on Syria when they come to a Climate Change treaty, as it will end up just as ineffective.

Reply to  davidmhoffer
November 13, 2015 10:32 pm

comment above was directed to :
Khwarizmi November 13, 2015 at 9:24 pm
“What wrong with that?”
=====================
It’s not in the Jewish interest?

u.k.(us)
Reply to  davidmhoffer
November 15, 2015 4:19 pm

The Jewish interest being,…. what ?

observa
Reply to  u.k.(us)
November 15, 2015 5:48 pm

I suspect it’s the normal imperative of survival for their fellow Israelis from being driven into the sea once they recognize all the hot air in the UN from the gaggle of gangsters won’t save them-
http://www.sixdaywar.co.uk/independent_israels_pre-emptive_defensive_strike.htm
But like any of us in free democracies, not a universal agreement on the means to that goal, once the immediate imperative has passed and I suspect French citizens are grappling with that very conundrum now.

Steve (Paris)
Reply to  davidmhoffer
November 14, 2015 2:08 am

WellsaidonthejewssirMeantimeihavekeyboadissues

Mike McMillan
Reply to  dbstealey
November 13, 2015 9:16 pm

Immigration is Rubio’s weakest point.
Here’s how they stack up from a conservative view:
Candidate Scorecard

Reply to  dbstealey
November 14, 2015 7:45 pm

Most called Ronald Reagan Bonzo’s supporting actor for president-
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=picture+ronald+reagan+and+bonzo&t=ffnt
. – and remarked he was a grade B movie star. How could America vote in such a guy? Well, it turned out rather well. US despondency and self esteem after the Vietnam war were given a way to believe in America again and he engineered with his American swagger the fall of the Iron Curtain. I know there will be a gaggle of dissenters to this issue.
I see the American people on the right are looking to Donald Trump, who, I wouldn’t have given a snowball’s chance in hell. But he is offering control on immigration and even reversal of illegal immigration and the promised wall that the Democrats scuttled. The situation in EU and America isn’t the job of rearranging the deck chairs which is all you will get from the current crop of political wussies. It will take draconian iconoclastic leaders to do the task that really must be done before it’s too late. They will also take care of the UN and the CAGW issue as well and return sanity and a sense that someone cares about their own citizens. Oh there will be whining and tears by the left, but a thick skinned leader is needed to save the crocodiles from themselves, even though they are snapping at your ass while doing so.
Something major has to be done to fix all this and to return the education system and the entire slate of institutions back to the job of real education, the kind of knowledge that isn’t political science. These leaders will have a lot of flak sent their way by a large, scared academic body of demogogues and cultural marxbrothers, particularly when universities are of necessity shrunk back down to real educational activities. The UN will need to be recommissioned back as a place to talk between belligerents to try to avert wars and all the social programs defunded and shutdown or, alternatively, quietly withdraw from the organization. The UN.t is a mattress full of bedbugs.

dickon66
Reply to  Gary Pearse
November 15, 2015 9:11 am

Reagan was a great US president. He did not, however, use “his American swagger” to ‘engineer’ a result. He was a statesman (probably the last to occupy the White House), he had strong foreign policies and negotiated several critical treaties from a position of strength, and with a great deal of understanding and finesse. Unlike more recent presidents, he rarely resorted to crude bullying and bluff tactics to achieve his results, and he probably did more for world peace than any US president since.

Steve Reilly
Reply to  dickon66
November 15, 2015 11:51 am

Right on! Where are people like Reagan when we need them?

Reply to  dickon66
November 15, 2015 1:03 pm

dickon66,
Very well put. No President since has been as classy or as competent.
The original Presidents weren’t career anything; they just wanted what was best for the country. Makers me wonder why we should even be looking at most of the career politicians. Or any of them, for that matter (although Reagan was a governor; good admin experience).

ferdberple
Reply to  Linda MacLeod Goodman
November 14, 2015 8:21 am

prevent the ‘wrong’ people from attending COP 21?
========================
The French have moved swiftly to add a check box to their immigration form:
“Are you or have you ever been a terrorist?” YES NO

Reply to  ferdberple
November 16, 2015 7:07 am

Oh a checkbox! That oughta do it.

Reply to  Linda MacLeod Goodman
November 14, 2015 7:13 pm

Linda, you are indeed a skeptical person!!!!

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Mike the Morlock
November 13, 2015 7:17 pm

Happily, we no longer need nukes to inflict major punishment. We still need them to deter their use against us, but that’s about it.
Israel would have to use nukes against deep, hardened targets in Iran, because they don’t have bombers, but we can use conventional penetrating ordnance. (I guess they could try to deliver 30,000 pound bombs with C-130s, but Herky Birds are a lot easier to shoot down than a B-2.)

Catcracking
Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
November 13, 2015 7:25 pm

The agreement with Iran apparently allows them the get air defense missiles from Russia to neutralize these weapons. Good Luck

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Catcracking
November 13, 2015 7:29 pm

S-300s or the Iranian equivalent, which they claim to have made, would disappear on Night One of any bombing campaign. They can’t track stealth aircraft anyway. B-2 is a stealth aircraft.
Iran is a sitting duck for the USAF and USN.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
November 13, 2015 7:35 pm

In reply to Catcracking.

Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
November 13, 2015 7:48 pm

Our military was designed to have all the planes and bombs and weapons and hardware needed to defeat the USSR in an all out conflict.
Iran is a fly speck by comparison.
All that really counts is political will.
In a real war, one where we are attacked first, and the effort is all out and 100%, who ever attacked us will go straight to hell in a big giant hurry.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Mike the Morlock
November 13, 2015 7:22 pm

You’re right, Michael (not a) Morlock.
*****************************************
How many more Americans would you have watched the Imperial Japanese murder in their death camps before you (O Anti-Nuclear Bomb Kool-Aid Drinker) would have used the atomic bomb? Remember: we had to drop two… .

(youtube)

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
November 13, 2015 7:25 pm

Thanks to the above video’s short-sighted owner, you must go to youtube to see it. Don’t bother…
Here’s a longer one:

(youtube)

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Janice Moore
November 14, 2015 12:04 am

Even after two nukes dropped on Japan, Japanese militarists wanted to continue the war. They even tried to intercept and destroy the recording made by Hirohito ordering a surrender. The fast-thinking manager of the radio station told the soldiers that the record had been sent to their other location across town. By the time the 20th Century samurai got there and found out they’d been fooled, the record had already been broadcast.

PeterK
Reply to  Mike the Morlock
November 13, 2015 7:47 pm

Bang on Mike!

Reply to  Mike the Morlock
November 13, 2015 8:17 pm

Mike
In NATO war games in the 70’s, administrators were surprised how often US Generals would go to the Nuclear solution when they were losing control of Europe. Now, real war is different … but if you are under attack and losing … and have your back to the sea, who will stop you from pulling the pin?
There are safeguards of course, but the results of those “games” still make people nervous.
We live in interesting times.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Wayne Delbeke
November 13, 2015 8:30 pm

Not as bad as it sounds.
What they went to were “Enhanced Radiation Warheads”, which Soviet propaganda labeled “Neutron Bombs”. In fact, they are very low yield artillery projectiles designed to be used in between German villages (which are usually more than a km apart) against Soviet armored battalions. The fast neutrons penetrate the thin top armor of tanks and kill their crews (eventually). It’s the ultimate hard penetrator round, better than DU. The Red Army tried to cancel ERWs out with anti-neutron armor, but it wouldn’t have helped much.
The idea was that Germany had the right to use nukes on its own territory in self-defense. The risk was that the Russians wouldn’t see it that way, and use offensive tactical nukes on Germany’s soil, too.

Amatør1
Reply to  Mike the Morlock
November 13, 2015 11:34 pm

“My country is the only one to ever use nuclear weapons.”

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Amatør1
November 13, 2015 11:41 pm

Conventional explosions.

Tucci78
Reply to  Amatør1
November 16, 2015 11:19 pm

On November 13, 2015 at 11:34 pm, Amatør1 posts what is alleged to be Youtube video of “Israeli / Saudi Arabia Tactical Nuclear Strike on Yemen (Neutron Bomb).
The events depicted are obviously and entirely the effects of chemical explosives being detonated. Amatør1 is either unfamiliar with explosives or is hoping to sucker people who aren’t.
أكل لحم الخنزير أو الموت!

tomdesabla
Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
November 13, 2015 7:16 pm

[snip those comments have been removed – mod]
What the world needs is a revival of the right to armed self defense for all people. Disarmed people are sitting ducks, and that is not a political comment; it is simply an established fact.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  tomdesabla
November 13, 2015 7:23 pm

I’m all for arming the citizenry, but the West is at war. If we’re going to fight, do it for real.
If left to fester, ISIS will get nukes. Being nice hasn’t worked.

Tucci78
Reply to  tomdesabla
November 13, 2015 7:27 pm

Writes tomdesabla:

What the world needs is a revival of the right to armed self defense for all people. Disarmed people are sitting ducks, and that is not a political comment; it is simply an established fact.

More properly, it would be recognition “of the right to armed self defense.” Such a right is unalienable, and cannot be forsworn by the individual human being. It needs no “revival,” merely recognition that it is being violated – infringed – by the agents of government whenever these thugs in public office so much as mention “gun control.”

One cannot legislate the maniacs off the street … these maniacs can only be shut down by an armed citizenry. Indeed bad things can happen in nations where the citizenry is armed, but not as bad as those which seem to be threatening our disarmed citizenry in this country at this time.

Lt. Col. Jeff Cooper, USMC

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Tucci78
November 13, 2015 7:31 pm

I’m a Gunsite grad. My brother was good friends with Jeff.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
November 13, 2015 7:34 pm

In reply to Tucci78.

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
November 13, 2015 8:00 pm

Gloateus Maximus November 13, 2015 at 7:31 pm
I’m a Gunsite grad. My brother was good friends with Jeff.
Enlighten ..Please.
My Dad was a crew chief at Sikorsky I also worked there. (along with many other defense Co.s)
Uncle to
My dad serviced the presidential Helio. until the early 1980s Ithink.
Of course he had a clearance, I found later that so did I
What a laugh I was 4F to enlist but I was ok to make parts for the Presidents Helio.
Then and NOW… NOT ON MY WATCH!
michael

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Mike the Morlock
November 13, 2015 8:19 pm

Dunno if my brother would want me to use his name. He’s an aviation author in AZ who also writes on guns and was a high level IPSC and SASS competitor.
Don’t think he ever accompanied Jeff on safari, but went to the same places. Promoted the Scout Rifle concept from the git-go. Our dad was a Marine aviator in the Big One. Dunno how many .45s we went through, but both my brothers loaded countless rounds on Dillon presses. When he worked for Champlin Aviation Museum (aircraft collection sold to Seattle; gun collection broken up), the AZ brother also shot Dillon’s Quad Browning .50s and his aircraft-mounted miniguns.

RD
Reply to  tomdesabla
November 13, 2015 8:16 pm

Well said tomdesabla. Thank you!

richard verney
Reply to  tomdesabla
November 15, 2015 1:04 am

Whilst I understand that carrying a gun might make you feel safer, and if you carry a gun you might consider that you have a degree over any situation,, but unfortunately, the fact is that violence only begets violence, and the more weapons that are available to the public, the more killings that take place.
How many have died in schools and in college campuses these past 12 months in the US? We don’t have that problem in Europe, especially not in the UK where gun control is at its tightest.
See The Washington Post article on gun ownership and gun killings per capital. It states:
“The United States has the highest gun ownership rate in the world and the highest per capita rate of firearm-related murders of all developed countries.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/gun-homicides-ownership/table/
Of course there are other countries far more violent than the US, particularly some in South America, and lawlessness in and around Mexico City, but there is no doubt that gun ownership net overall poses a greater risk to the population.

davideisenstadt
Reply to  richard verney
November 15, 2015 5:58 am

Richard: you owe it to yourself to actually read the study..it omitted states with very lenient gun control laws, which nonetheless had very low rates of violent crimes because the authors felt that since there was so little crime in those states, that the crime rate statistics were “unreliable”
really, read some John Lott.
CCW rates are negatively correlated with violent crime…that is, the greater proportion of civilians who have CCWs, the lower the rate of violent crime.
facts, inconvenient sometimes.

Tucci78
Reply to  davideisenstadt
November 15, 2015 3:17 pm

davideisenstadt remonstrates

…actually read the study..it omitted states with very lenient gun control laws, which nonetheless had very low rates of violent crimes because the authors felt that since there was so little crime in those states, that the crime rate statistics were “unreliable”
really, read some John Lott.
CCW rates are negatively correlated with violent crime…that is, the greater proportion of civilians who have CCWs, the lower the rate of violent crime.

The work of John Lott to which you might principally direct your correspondent is his More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws (1998, 2000, 2010), though his The Bias Against Guns: Why Almost Everything You’ve Heard about Gun Control Is Wrong (2003) is assuredly worthwhile as well. In the former title, Lott drew upon F.B.I. crime data – the single most unimpeachable nationwide dataset on the subject, which can be parsed by state, county, and city – to run statistical analyses of crime data in order to develop a measure of the effects of eleven different types of “gun control” laws on crime rates in those jurisdictions.
Another interesting title to consider is Stephen P. Hallbrook’s That Every Man Be Armed: The Evolution of a Constitutional Right (1984, 1994, 2000) which “…traces the Second Amendment’s origins from ancient Greece and Rome to 18th century France and England through the American Revolution, ratification of the Constitution and adoption of the Bill of Rights” in order to support Halbrook’s premise …the right to bear arms is in indispensable form of individual protection against both violent crime and government infringement of human liberties.”

In the late 1960s, violent crime in America had exploded to a point where one individual in three was pretty much guaranteed to be raped, mugged, or otherwise harmed by criminals, who ran no risk, because self-defense was socially out of style, and even illegal in some places. This gave rise to movies — which is how our culture works out its problems — like _Death Wish_ and _Dirty Harry_ in which ordinary people, failed by the authorities, took their own protection into their hands. In real life, they disregarded the “advice” of those authorities and took martial arts lessons, and bought guns.
At that time, Orlando, Florida was experiencing a sort of rape epidemic. Some genuine genius in the city government abandoned all of the conventional non-working counter-measures such things tend to provoke, and suggested that women show up for free, police-conducted shooting lessons in the park. They expected 400. They got 4000. When news of this got to the national level, the epidemic ceased. After years of stupid political debate, Florida made it microscopically easier to carry a gun legally, and violent crime declined in double digits.
This trend has continued, and the downtrend in crime has become a national phenomenon. A growing handful of states have even followed Vermont’s example, and eliminated all restrictions on carrying guns. Over the 45-year duration of this social revolution, violent crime in America has fallen 40 percent. The authorities and their media whores hate this, because it means there is no real need for them in society. Most violent crime survives in the inner-city-centers controlled by leftists.

— L. Neil Smith, “Paris: The High Price of Willful Ignorance” (15 November 2015)

rogerknights
Reply to  richard verney
November 15, 2015 5:50 pm

“How many have died in schools and in college campuses these past 12 months in the US? We don’t have that problem in Europe, especially not in the UK where gun control is at its tightest.”
But there’s a trade-off in the increase in other crimes that occur in the UK because of the disarmed population. Home invasions, which often include violence against residents, are thrice as common in the UK, for instance.
“The United States has the highest gun ownership rate in the world and the highest per capita rate of firearm-related murders of all developed countries.”
I’ve read a claim (possibly false) that killings in the UK (and elsewhere in Europe??) are not counted as “murders” unless there’s a conviction.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Mike the Morlock
November 13, 2015 7:44 pm

BTW, cremation is not permissible in Islam.
Some US Marines got in trouble when I was in Afghanistan for burning the bodies of dead Taliban, filmed by an Australian journalist of my acquaintance.
It was summer. Afghanistan is hot. They couldn’t take the bodies into town. Burying them would have exposed the Marines to hostile fire.

Stephen Singer
November 13, 2015 4:22 pm

The pacifist French have had two or three wake up calls by the Jihadist Muslims and apparently have blown them off mostly. Suppose they’ll get the message this time?
The United States government is doing the same thing unfortunately and not just by the Obama admin either though they are even more incompetent have any previous admin.
Will US congress wake up before this same horrific thing happens here?????/
If not we’ll have this here I think in less than two years.

hum
Reply to  Stephen Singer
November 13, 2015 6:44 pm

Of course they will not wake up. They are the true deniers. They live in denial.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Stephen Singer
November 13, 2015 6:58 pm

This could mean more boots on the ground at least in Iraq if not Syria, beyond the forces already returning to the region. Showing some backbone might even help his poll numbers, not that he cares much, only in so far as Hillary gets in to defend Obamacare. I won’t hold my breath waiting for him to admit that it was a mistake to let lose all our prisoners in Iraq and not to get a Status of Forces Agreement to keep there the 30,000 US troops recommended by McCain (one of my least favorite politicians, but right on that score), after so much blood and treasure spilt there.

Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
November 14, 2015 4:38 pm

Maybe boots on the ground in Europe! They’ve already been there for a couple of decades – stepping up in the ME will do nothing but maybe incite more from those already within the borders. I suspect there will be more in UK and Germany in particular – war hardened young men just arrived there.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
November 14, 2015 5:04 pm

Gary,
You raise a good point about the best strategy to follow in the culture clash. I don’t call it a war of civilizations because fundamentalist Islam isn’t civilized. Mecca and Medina were I grant you cities in the 7th century, but their denizens weren’t civilized in the 21st century sense of the term.
IMO expelling Muslims from Europe isn’t an option, although the Europeans do need better Humint in Islamic communities there and more cooperation with their leaders.
Many of my friends and comrades disagree, but IMO the only way to save Western Civilization is to carry the war, declared by our enemies, into their own homeland. Our victory there will be better for all the people of that sadly benighted region as well as for the West and the world in general.
What does “victory” mean? Obviously, it can’t be complete, which would require all Muslims to convert to Christianity or agnosticism and adopt the standards of civil society in the West. Given the actual situation on the ground in Iraq and Syria, a peaceful settlement, which might just mean a time out between rounds of senseless sectarian violence, would be Russian and Iranian client Assad with a rump Syria in the west of the country (ideally no more than the Alawite coastal homeland), the Damascus-Homs-Aleppo interior with a Sunni regime under Turkish suzerainty, eastern Syria, ie the desert and Euphrates Valley, attached to Anbar and Sunni Arab majority parts of other Iraqi provinces, a Kurdish autonomous region in both Iraq and Syria (which Turkey might grudgingly swallow in return for the reduction in Alawite control), and southern Iraq as a Shi’a Arab puppet state of Iran. This would be an interim settlement, but could stop the slaughter and stem the refugee flood.
Although of course the refugees are often more economic than political, fleeing poverty rather than war.

lee
Reply to  Stephen Singer
November 13, 2015 7:42 pm

Just a number of “lone Wolf” attacks or “Multiple Lone Wolf” attacks – not terrorism /sarc.

Marcus
November 13, 2015 4:23 pm

They were not terrorists…they were poor suffering climate refuges !!!!!
Signed..Oblama !!

Marcus
Reply to  Marcus
November 13, 2015 4:23 pm

ARRRRG !!! refugees !!!

EternalOptimist
November 13, 2015 4:25 pm

Does anyone doubt that if these people got hold of a nuke, they would use it ?
Paris, London, Bonn , New York
and Obama thinks that global warming is a bigger threat ?
oh my.

Reply to  EternalOptimist
November 13, 2015 4:34 pm

Or even some chemical weapons or nuclear materials such as plutonium. What a mess that would create! Worse than 2 degrees of global warming in 100 years I think.

timbrom
Reply to  EternalOptimist
November 14, 2015 7:13 pm

Well, a light dusting of nukes would cause some localised warming.

Marcus
November 13, 2015 4:31 pm

100 executed in Paris !!

David L. Hagen
November 13, 2015 4:33 pm
Mike the Morlock
November 13, 2015 4:37 pm

I have walked the streets of Paris.
I like the french,Paris. I mourn, later will come the fury
“Delenda est Carthago”
michael

Mardler
November 13, 2015 4:37 pm

Official report now confirms 140 dead.
The AGW conference should be cancelled and the west should wake up to the growing clash of civilisations.

Reply to  Mardler
November 13, 2015 6:33 pm

I hate to be morbid, but that is the count tonight. When the terrorists sprayed the audience, some were gravely wounded, and not all will survive.

Leon Brozyna
November 13, 2015 4:41 pm

NBC News coverage of this horror briefly goes over to Sam Champion who does a little spiel for Gores 24 hours of reality before mentioning how chaotic is the scene around the Eiffel Tower …
and when COP 21 kicks off, this whole thing’ll all get rehashed … again.

wayne Job
November 13, 2015 4:41 pm

Many voices have been crying in the wilderness, oft denigrated, being called racists, islamaphobes and worse.
Those touchy feely fools defending those that wish to harm us should hang their heads in shame, Paris is a wake up call, maybe a start to a real fight back, against an evil, a cancer we have allowed through stupidity to grow in our home lands.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  wayne Job
November 13, 2015 10:32 pm

Since the president was in the close vicinity himself, I’m sure he’s rethinking the idea too.
Maybe mass deportations are due. Something has to give; this so soon after the newspaper massacre in Paris should (I hope) make someone stand up and say “enough, this is not going to happen again”.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Greg Cavanagh
November 13, 2015 10:45 pm

Not to mention the planned Belgian train attack thwarted by Americans.

emsnews
November 13, 2015 4:44 pm

All of Europe is in an uproar with Germans finally figuring out they are next.

John Robertson
November 13, 2015 4:47 pm

Unfortunately this murderous mess, is neither unthinkable or unpredictable.
These poor people are victims of their own leadership.
After the last bunch of maniacs were stopped, we surrendered the right to protect our laws and property to government officials, who now prosecute any citizen who has to defend their own lives.
These officials the police and the minions of the just-us department, have long proven that they cannot protect you, they can at best clean up the mess and prosecute the survivors.
As all canadians know, when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.
Now we are faced with fanatics again, their ideology shapes their actions.
They do not fear prosecution, they embrace death.
Cops, military, cannot defend the citizen from this kind of attacker.
They are only revealed when they start to kill.
Either we become prisoners in our homes, as the Parisians are tonight.
Or we take back the right to defend our lives and property.
Open carry by all citizens is the only defence.
The alternative is the old methods, of controlled populations, where the citizen may not go armed, travel is restricted and foreigners are excluded.
The fellow countrymen of any identified hostile are all rounded up and deported.
The state claims to protect and serve , the citizens lose all rights.
And no one is any safer.

Barbara
Reply to  John Robertson
November 13, 2015 6:35 pm

Hitler disarmed German Jews first and then the rest of the German people and then look what happened! No chance that the German people could slip arms to the Jewish people.
Human slaughter is not new to Europe. This is what the U.S. founders knew to be true.
Indeed, heartbreaking news from France.

ferdberple
Reply to  Barbara
November 14, 2015 6:21 am

This is what the U.S. founders knew to be true.
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The American Revolution, indeed the USA itself would not exist had the colonists been prohibited by the government from owning weapons. The problem is that terrorists have no problem securing weapons.
Imagine if the 100 hostages in Paris were all carrying weapons. How many of them would still be alive today? Instead of being systematically shot, there would have been 100 people shooting at 4 terrorists. I expect many dead hostages would have rather gone down fighting.
The right to self-defense is a human right that is denied by western governments, at great risk to its citizens.

sagi
November 13, 2015 4:57 pm

France has long tolerated a growing shadow government of “no go zones”, and is too weak to do anything about it.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5128/france-no-go-zones

Paul Westhaver
November 13, 2015 4:59 pm

Can this be? In the face of this tragedy will COP21 be cancelled?
Certainly it is at the bottom of the news cycle.

Sam The First
November 13, 2015 5:00 pm

A photographer friend showing in Paris right now got out just as this was kicking off and is safely home. He posted on FB and sounds very shaken. Amongst what horrors we do live!
And I’m another who has been warning for decades (three at least) of the folly of admitting so many Muslims to Western countries: anyone with an understanding of the creed must have seen it would always go this way. Islam demands jihad of its adherents – that is a fact, however politicians and liberals like to fudge it.
I don’t believe this attack is aimed at COP21: if it had been they would have waited. Security is going to be increased tenfold now if the event goes ahead.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Sam The First
November 13, 2015 10:42 pm

If so, security will be zero outside the conference venues.

November 13, 2015 5:03 pm

Ce soir, mon coeur est avec vous, ma bien-aimée Paris.
Pointman

November 13, 2015 5:06 pm

This is nothing to do with COP21. This is raghead fundamentalism.

November 13, 2015 5:08 pm

Remember all the “Je suis Charlie” faux-solidarity? Let’s have no more of that.

Gloateus Maximus
November 13, 2015 5:11 pm
ratuma
Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
November 13, 2015 7:15 pm

although he is not my cup of tea, he has nothing to do with that –

November 13, 2015 5:13 pm

Meanwhile, folks across college campuses, Washington DC, and the mainstream media are fretting about micro-aggression’s and CO2.
Rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic seems highly rational in comparison.

flea
November 13, 2015 5:15 pm

they told us they would move with the Syrian refugees and they did they told us they would do what they did
100k refugee’s and how many bombers .. who’s next ? the world has grown to PC