Guest Opinion: Dr. Tim Ball
The minute a small cabal hijacked climate for a political agenda it determined that setting the record straight required political answers. Naomi Klein admitted it wasn’t about the science directly. That fighting climate change was necessary to combat capitalism. This was the objective all along and expressed in 1993 when Senator Wirth admitted,
“We’ve got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing …”
The “right thing” is achieving Maurice Strong’s objective of getting rid of the industrialized nations.
Too many skeptics continue to think that scientific points are going to change the public understanding. Most of the public don’t understand, but, more important, don’t want to understand. I doubt the 75% who failed the Yale Education Climate Change test lost any sleep. Polls, such as those of the Pew Center and overall analysis of trends indicate global warming or climate change are not a concern for most people. I suspect they don’t care because they don’t understand or want to understand. They also know how about the unreliability of weather forecasts, and that is all the science they need. One Pew poll confirms that the public believes global warming is a political issue. Because of this, politicians and environmentalists with political agendas continue to control the story. James Delingpole puts the amount of money wasted because of this control at $4 billion a day.
Because science is ideally amoral and apolitical most scientists avoid politics, which results in a failure to provide necessary information to open-minded politicians and media. They need this to counter the pseudo-science of the IPCC proponents. They knew what to do from the start. Stephen Schneider set it out succinctly in Discover magazine a year after Hansen appeared before Wirth’s Senate committee and put the entire issue into the political realm.
On the one hand we are ethically bound to the scientific method, in effect promising to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but& which means that we must include all the doubts, caveats, ifs and buts. On the other hand, we are not just scientists, but human beings as well. And like most people, we’d like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climate change. To do that we have to get some broad-based support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. This double ethical bind which we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both.
If this sounds familiar today, it is because it summarizes the words in the recent Encyclical of Pope Francis. Schneider is wrong. There is no decision about right and wrong, which is why the Pope’s connection with climate deceivers contradicts his central role as upholder of truth and is so deeply troubling. It is the rationale Naomi Klein and other use, which is why they brought her on board. It is basic Alinsky; the end justifies the means.
I spoke about the need to counter the false science from a political and social perspective, in my presentation at the First Heartland Conference in New York ten years ago. I pointed out that Gore’s movie was a brilliant piece of propaganda. A view supported by Justice Burton the UK judge who ruled on its use in the classroom.
It is now common ground that it is not simply a science film – although it is clear that it is based substantially on scientific research and opinion – but that it is a political film, albeit of course not party political.
Justice Burton recommended teachers provide balance by also showing The Great Global Warming Swindle. I proudly advised producer Martin Durkin and appeared in the movie. I also warned him that the US media would not run it, as proved the case, although it is now generally available. The problem is that only a small percentage of people watch documentaries on television. Gore bypassed that by using Hollywood to make the movie but also to market it through all their traditional venues. They knew how to achieve Schneider’s goal of getting “broad-based support” and “capturing the public’s imagination.”
Skeptics have, for a variety of reasons, avoided the “Hollywood” approach. It is a major error. We need to realize that tactics are tactics, and that the adage that you fight fire with fire is true. The first thing to do in any strategy is define the problem and the second is to determine the target and thirdly use tactics appropriate to the situation.
The problem is a failure to explain climate science and its abuse in a way a majority can understand. The following points are gleaned from my experience with media interviews, school visits, questions after a presentation, and questions via email. They represent the issues I confront every day. They are the real challenges anybody trying to offset the misinformation about climate and climate change must consider. They are the political dynamics that influence how you help people understand and deal with science issues.
1. People can’t believe a small group of people could mislead the world. Nowadays, the explosion of conspiracy theories because of the Internet, make the idea even more remote and unpalatable. They need to heed world-renowned anthropologist Margaret Mead’s observation.
“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.”
This comment implies that “thoughtful” and “committed” are pursuing positive changes. History indicates they are never positive as power centralizes and corrupts and people lose freedoms.
2. People can’t believe scientists would distort, manipulate, or do anything other than proper science. They accept the view that science and scientists are amoral and apolitical. As Mary McCarthy said,
“In science, all facts, no matter how trivial or banal, enjoy democratic equality.”
This is reinforced by the practice of most scientists to avoid politics. The public assumes the silence is a tacit agreement with what is in the media about global warming.
3. It is mostly the politicians who talk about the 97% manufactured consensus. The public asks as happened to me twice on radio this week,
“How come thousands of scientists believe there is global warming and climate change?”
The simple answer is, very few are familiar with the science. They, like most of the public, assume other scientists would not distort, manipulate, or do anything other than proper science. When scientists find out, they are shocked as exemplified in Klaus-Eckert Puls comment.
Ten years ago I simply parroted what the IPCC told us. One day I started checking the facts and data—first I started with a sense of doubt but then I became outraged when I discovered that much of
what the IPCC and the media were telling us was sheer nonsense and was not even supported by any scientific facts and measurements. To this day I still feel shame that as a scientist I made presentations of their science without first checking it.
IPCC proponents promoted and perpetuated this deception through science societies as I explained.
A particularly egregious exploitation was carried out through science societies and professional scientific groups. They were given the climate science of the IPCC and urged to support it on behalf of their members. Certainly a few were part of the exploitation, but a majority, including most of the members simply assumed that the rigorous methods of research and publication in their science were used. Lord May of the UK Royal Society was influential in the manipulation of public perception through national scientific societies. They persuaded other national societies to become involved by making public statements. The Russian Academy of Science, under its President Yuri Israel, refused to participate.
4. To paraphrase Winston Churchill, “Never in the history of mankind have so many been deceived by so few, with so few facts.” The more you try to counteract what the public knows using scientific facts, the more you lose the battle. If you use scientific facts you must couch them in terms and analogies everybody understands. I know this from 25 years of teaching a compulsory science credit course for Arts students. The abilities and techniques I developed there of explaining climate in ways the public understand made me a double threat to IPCC proponents because I was also qualified.
5. Most people don’t know what is “normal” or “natural” in nature. This made it easy to imply or infer that they were abnormal or unnatural. It works well with the modern practice of “sound bites” in which information is presented without context. Climate change is innately historical and demands context. There are two basic options to counter the problem. Publish the context for each story as soon as possible after it appears. Publish stories of true facts that are outside of people’s comprehension using analogies. For example, alarmists add human scale to stories with analogies. One year they reported Arctic sea ice melted more by an area the size of Texas than the previous year. Texas is 695,662 km2, which is approximately 4.6% of the total Arctic ice of 15 million km2. The change is within the natural annual variability, but Texas is big so it must be a problem.
6. We tell people CO2 isn’t causing the warming but fail to explain why. This is for people who don’t know what a greenhouse gas is or that water vapor is far more important. (Figure 1)
Figure 1 Source: Yale Education Climate Change Test.
We then fail to explain what is the most likely cause. As politicians learn to their peril, you can’t just be against something.
Today they push the global warming claims with increasing deception because the 21st Paris Conference of the Parties on climate is scheduled for 7-8 December 2015. They consider it imperative to pass a Kyoto type set of policies. Ironically, one thing that diminishes their chances is continued economic decline, the very objective of Wirth, Klein and the gang. It is ironic because politicians will reset their priorities to promote development, growth, and job creation because they don’t want angry voters. What they will get is angry global warming activists with a political agenda.
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Why the obsession with Maurice Strong?
I see no obsession.
For every -ism there are lots of crazies who want to get rid of them. Who cares specifically about Mr. Strong?
Why the hell not?
[1]
Just one, but hey do not take my word for it, search Maurice Strong and see the rest of the antics he has been up to as reported by others. He is a humongous hypocrite.
Regards
Climate Heretic
[1] Maurice Strong as quoted in the September 1, 1997 edition of National Review magazine
He started the whole thing with UN Agenda 21, etc.
There were eco-hippies long before that. And Strong has dropped out.
Maurice Strong is basically the instigator of this entire process. Without him, you’d not have the question to ask, and we likely would not be posting in WUWT.
And don’t for one moment think that Strong has dropped out.
Read (Google)about the Club of Rome, Agenda 21 and the real politics behind “sustainability”. You will then have educated yourself to the issue and see where Maurice Strong is the mentor of Naomi Oriskies…..
So what? As I said, eco-hippies were around long before Agenda 21. Do you really thinks that getting rid of Strong [nature may take its course; he is 86] will make the sustainability idiots go away?
Strong did not have to be the initiator of many of the ideas, but he was clearly instrumental in pushing the global agenda through his UN influence. Given the source of his personal wealth (a lot of fossil fuel companies) and the later food-for-oil bribery scandal, I think he’s earned his fair share of bile.
I think of Strong and this springs to mind: “the finest trick of the devil is to persuade you that he does not exist.” To dismisss the man as inconsequential is the first big mistake. I don’t think he is an eco-hippie. I doubt he wears a psychedelic kaftan and drives around in a Kombi van… neither do I think he is Ernst Stavro Blofeld, but he is much closer to the latter than the former, no?
Well, Dr. S., I think you may be overemphasizing, but it does seem you have a point. After using the search function here, there are a few prior references. And Google has plenty, pro and con. The wiki seems to favor him, but evenhandedly. And, for what it’s worth, https://climatism.wordpress.com/2013/09/17/the-creator-fabricator-and-proponent-of-global-warming-maurice-strong/
Maurice Strong is the left-hand man to what Dr. Ball describes as the small cabal that hijacked climate for a political agenda. Strong’s career wove its way between government employment at a senior level, employment in private industry and ownership of companies, including oil. He is a pal of both those who direct the UN towards global governance from their global money power positions and of their minions, including Secretaries-General, past and present. His real strength is his network, each web of which it was necessary to crawl along or spin in order to create a sense of climate catastrophe and the ensuing world chaos.
Strong is a salesman and a tactician. I recently read his book Where on Earth Are we Going? The title seemed to me to eerily echo Lenin’s, What is To Be Done? It was not an imagined echo as Strong himself admits in the book. In it, although he also admits that somebody else actually wrote the book, he shows just how accomplished both he and his writer are at disinformation and at using socialist language to convince readers to give up their freedom for the sake of saving Earth. And for what are we to save Earth? He doesn’t say it outright but we are to save Earth for those who crave absolute control over it.
His chapter by chapter bibliography includes UN papers, books and articles by environmental lefty luminaries, his own presentations and Thomas Malthus. My biggest chuckle, and the only one I got from reading the propaganda, came of seeing Rachel Carson referenced as an authority several times.
The book was published in 2001. In his omniscience, Strong presents a vision of 2031. That it is actually the result of a plan is clear when one reads of the mass migrations and other world turbulence, including economic catastrophe, that he describes. All of that catastrophe is, according to him, because of man-made climate change. When Strong and his pals talk of climate change, they are really talking about political, economic, moral and societal revolution intended to result in a new world order.
When Dr. Ball ‘obsesses’ over Maurice Strong, he is doing us a favor. We ought to listen what Strong has said. His prognostications are best read as threats. He and the cabal intended to destroy the industrialized world and they are well on their way to accomplishing that.
Dr. Svalgaard cannot input this into his equation. I don’t know why.
Leif,
Strong is [he’s still alive hiding in Peking from an international arrest warrant] a Canadian beet red Prairie Socalist who was Pearson and Trudeau’s “eminence grise” at the UN. He’s one of the UNEP and IPCC’s godfathers and was caught on open microphone at the 1992 Rio Earth Conference advocating the dismantling of western advanced industrial societies as a the way of saving the planet.
That very statement tells us jus about everything we need to know about the motives of the climate establishment and serves nicely to situate the views of say a Naomi Klein and the Pope -both virulently anti-progress and anti-capitalism.
That’s all I we need to understand – something by the way I did some 15 years ago when I started to dig into the CAGW story, because we are not discussing whether or not the sun or man has anything to do with the earth’s climate but are dealing with extremely well funded and manipulative on-message groups whose aim is to destroy our economies.
If you have trouble accepting that reality, take a closer look at what is unfolding in Germany where the Greens are found in key positions throughout the political and social fabric putting in place disastrous policies such as the much touted “energiewende” and are in the process of achieving precisely what Maurice Strong was advocating.
That’s not an obsession but a reality check.
Strong has no influence, except over the ones obsessed with him. It is hard to hate an -ism, but put a person on it and hate can pour out unhindered. Strong is hardly the first who has thirsted for World domination [that thirst goes back thousands of years] and won’t be the last. Such critters are best ignored and their influence vanishes.
“Putting a person’s face on an attack on an -ism is a clever trick to draw out the haters.”
Indeed, no accused, no trial… If that is not another better trick, what is.
It feels safer to rather hide behind ALL scientists, politicians, bureaucrats and now even religious figures who promote the doomsday cult. One’s individual responsibility is thus diluted: “everyone agreed, we all thought we were right” etc… would then become the common defense and excuse. Identifying those who contributed to engineer the whole affair makes sunny boy uncomfortable.
Svalgaard may not have read Mr. Strong recent prose, his non coincidental interventions in major newspapers at the side of Rockefeller Brothers funded propagandists, in Canada and in the US. Sure Strong did not invent world domination yet he was and still is a willing tool just like Soros plays with lives. Their old age does not diminish their toxicity.
Gee, Strong didn’t invent any of this. The man in the street has never heard of Strong. If there had been no Strong, another Maurice would have been there to champion those silly notions. Strong has done nothing concrete that would not have happened anyway. But for all you haters, it is of course convenient to have an actual person to heap contempt, venom, and ad-homs on. I guess that small minds always find a stronger mind to vilify.
What arguments are that? “Strong didn’t invent any of this?” Many power hungry grey eminences did not invent concepts and yet further their masters agenda using them.
“The man in the street has never heard of Strong.” As if popularity should be equated with real power… What a naive notion.
” If there had been no Strong, another Maurice would have been there to champion those silly notions.”
That’s true, there are many willing tool men in this world, always had been and always will…
“Strong has done nothing concrete that would not have happened anyway.” Except he was the one who did. Imagine a lawyer coming up with that one: “my client has done nothing that nature would not have done anyway…”
“But for all you haters, it is of course convenient to have an actual person to heap contempt, venom, and ad-homs on. I guess that small minds always find a stronger mind to vilify.”
I guess assigning historical responsibility is venom, ad-homs, small minded… Yet, doing just that regarding Strong contribution is enough to be a “hater”. LOL
Thou Svalgaard protest too much about old Maurice… Anything we should know or is it pure senior brotherly love?
at lsvalgaard, I see no obsession, I see history. Those who forget cAGW history are doomed to repeat it every day.
I don’t see that Strong has made any difference whatsoever. Sustainability is not his idea. World Domination is not his idea. World Governance is not his idea. The claim that there are too many people on Earth is not his idea. Putting a person’s face on an attack on an -ism is a clever trick to draw out the haters.
Leif,
Give over, you’re arguing the unarguable. When a man who is at the heart of the UN climate machinery, having help put it in place, states that in order to save the planet we have to dismantle the advanced industrial economies, you need to take that at face value. When an armed man tells you he’s going to kill you, best to take him at his word and act accordingly.
Strong, using the UN machinery, enabled the emergence of a myriad of “green” NGOs and political parties from the ruins of socialism after 1989. The dates of the fall of the Wall and the emergence of climate as a central political issue is not a coincidence -only the truly naïve still don’t want to get that. Climate has been the war horse of the various factions at the extreme Left ever since the early 1990s.
And in Germany these various groupings are in the process of achieving exactly what Strong had in mind: increasingly, all major German manufacturers are moving their operations to North America where energy costs are 30% of those in Europe -even Airbus has put its new factory in NC. We are witnessing before our eyes the de-industrialization of Euorpe most important economy, with the disappearance of now well over 100,000 well paying jobs and as Germany goes so goes the rest of the Eurozone. Make no mistake about it.
Your are superbly naïve to want to hold up Strong as some insignificant bit player: he and his ilk are winning the war they set in motion. If you still have doubts, think about how come Obama’s Science advisor is Paul Ehrlich’s No 2, which goes a long way to explaining the dangerous talk coming from the POTUS. All part of the movement enabled by Strong and his ilk over the past 25 years.
Not an obsession but yet another reality check.
All part of the movement enabled by Strong and his ilk over the past 25 years.
Now we are getting somewhere. “his ilk” helped him, so he did not do all this alone, single-handed. But to think that he ‘enabled’ all this is giving way too much credit. As I said, it seems to feel good to have somebody to blame everything on. This is a very human foible and you and your ilk have apparently succumbed fully to that. Less gullible minds have a more balanced view.
Calling someone a hater is easy. Especially if you use arrogant terms and seem to disagree with anyone who ever questions you.
Obsession? It’s a tribute! There’s a good chance that Anthony would not have even created this site or surfacestations.org if not for the groundwork laid by that vile evil piece of ….
Reading down thread I think the obsession with Strong might be yours 😉
Figure 1. is interesting, but figure 2. with the correct answers would be more interesting…
which gaz is “good at” …. what does this mean?????
I love Tim Ball – he has got a fire in his belly. And he fuels it with facts.
Keep it up, Tim.
They took the linguistic high ground when the deeply misleading term ‘Greenhouse Effect’ was coined.
Ancel Keys managed to fool the world about saturated fats, so it has been done before. Bad science and politics is a toxic mix.
“The public assumes the silence is a tacit agreement with what is in the media about global warming.”
That’s a big one. A link provided in a previous thread led me to the blog of a guy who argued that over 99.9% of published scientists agree with the consensus on man-caused global warming. His reasoning for that was along the line that if a research paper does not explicitly come out against the consensus, it must be counted in support of the consensus. Never mind that a vote has never been held to establish the consensus in the first place. He found that only 1 in 5000 papers expressed a direct opinion opposing the AGW consensus, so by his reasoning, 4999 out of 5000 papers, or 99.98%, were in total support. He made no allowance for scientists that might remain neutral or open minded on the theory. To him, silence could only mean one thing: agreement.
He also didn’t consider that many scientists don’t want to venture a political opinion because they have seen how grant money can dry up for those who are considered to be on the ‘wrong’ side of a hot issue like climate change. They don’t want to be ostracized, too, and have their careers cut short. So they keep their mouths shut. That doesn’t mean they are in agreement with the theory, but warmists will still count them as agreeing because of their silence. They are like a losing politician who claims that he really won because everyone who stayed home on election day would have voted for him. I’m sorry, but it just doesn’t work that way.
” if a research paper does not explicitly come out against the consensus, it must be counted in support”
Lets turn that around:
I wonder what % of papers EXPLICITLY claim that [1]man’s [2]CO2 is [3]causing [4]dangerous [5] global warming. All 5 elements must be proven to justify action against CO2 emission. I’ll bet the number of papers is well under 0.001%, probably ZERO.
More specifically, how many papers actually contain empirical proof that AGW is happening?
I can answer that ZERO.
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Naomi Klein quote tries to put her in the denier camp, but the quote says, “Even if the theory of global warming is wrong…”. Even if, are the words that modify the statement. I’ve read a lot of Naomi’s work and she is not a denier.
That statement by Naomi Klein does not put her in “denier camp”. it tells many of us her true motivation is not science but “the ends justify the means” just like statements like “we must get rid of the MWP and So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have.
You should try reading what is written some time.
The quote is: “”We’ve got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing — in terms of economic socialism and environmental policy.” and it was by Tim WIrth, not Naomi Klein.
What Klein does deny is that there is any alternative explanation for global warming, the same global warming that hasn’t been happening for the last 18 years.
Perhaps you ought to look around a bit, Mr Bear, and broaden your intellectual horizons a bit.
@ur momisugly bobthebear, “Your final sentence is ridiculous.”. No it is not, it is the truth. Politicians of all stripes promote nothing but positive intangibles. that is why they are called; “Promises” as in ” I promise that when I get to Washington I WILL cut down unemployment !” and ” If I get to Whitehall, I will cut down on crime!”. And the masses go “YEAH!”. If you do not understand that you are lost. ( so sorry).
Bobthebear, please provide some form of evidence that his perspective is based in emotion and not logic.
The actual facts to any intelligent person who has looked in to the evidence demonstrably and irrefutably show that we are NOT heading toward climate catastrophe.
How many people still don’t understand that the planet hasn’t warmed for over 18 years? That’s using UAH V6 satellite data.
https://kenskingdom.wordpress.com/2015/07/09/pause-update/#comments
Also the south polar region hasn’t warmed for over 35 years.
The N polar for over 13 years. The US for over 18 years. Australia for over 17 years. The SH for over 19 years. the tropics for over 21 years. the NH for over 18 years. Most people haven’t got a clue.
“I see what I believe.” – The Sheeples Representative
Some very grounded infowar realities in this article. If we’re going to finish it off, we have to be prepared to get off the soapbox and get our skirts dirty. The most significant strike in the internet climate wars came from a certain Mr. FOIA, who destroyed the reputation of the phoney science in scientific circles.
Good as that was, the average person has never hear of Climategate. We should stop talking to each other and look for ways of talking to the average person.
https://thepointman.wordpress.com/2014/10/24/pick-your-targets-carefully/
Pointman
You’re right, Pointy … moral pontification from a soap box labelled “science” is not going to win us this war.
Point,
We few friends here in Texas have found a major difference in the readings we see in temp between the older mechanical instruments and the new fangled digital ones. Above 92 degrees F the new ones exaggerate the readings as much as 6 degrees up. I bought a new weather station and placed it next to my old bi-metal one and the difference is obvious. Another wind and rain station is as much as 10deg up. Because it collects rain, it is in the open in full sun. (Probably a poor design of the boatie looking thing).
Is there anyone else out there still have their old ones to compare to?
Lee: I too have found that to be a problem. That leaves me with the quandary as to which one is accurate.
Spock,
With all the collusion goin on (today’s blog) I would not put it past the goverment changing the specifications for the bran new chips they are buying to build the super accurate temperature sensors.
Lee – What He measured
Interviewed was meteorologist Klaus Hager. He was active in meteorology for 44 years and now has been a lecturer at the University of Augsburg almost 10 years. He is considered an expert in weather instrumentation and measurement. One reason for the perceived warming, Hager says, is traced back to a change in measurement instrumentation. He says glass thermometers were was replaced by much more sensitive electronic instruments in 1995. Hager tells the SZ ” For eight years I conducted parallel measurements at Lechfeld. The result was that compared to the glass thermometers, the electronic thermometers showed on average a temperature that was 0.9°C warmer. Thus we are comparing – even though we are measuring the temperature here – apples and oranges. No one is told that.” Hager confirms to the AZ that the higher temperatures are indeed an artifact of the new instruments.
http://notrickszone.com/2015/01/12/university-of-augsburg-44-year-veteran-meteorologist-calls-climate-protection-ridiculous-a-deception/
A large part of my job was calibrating thermometers and other weather-related instruments. Once a stick (glass) thermometer is certified to be calibrated to within ± whatever fraction of a degree is specified, it tends to keep its accuracy whether it’s a mercury or alcohol thermometer. This is reflected in the calibration recall period. With stick thermometers, a 3-year recall for re-calibrating is about the shortest time I’ve seen.
But electronic thermometers (RTD, PRT, J/K/R thermocouple, etc.) had to be re-checked every three to six months. There is a factor called hysteresis, in which the electronic device never reverts back to exactly the same point.
A calibrated glass thermometer can be found starting around $30. Those are typically accurate to ±0.5ºF. (That is very accurate, btw.) They will tend to keep their accuracy and linearity, while an electronic device will drift over time.
Guess which type NASA uses.
“…look for ways of talking to the average person.”
This so obvious.This site seriously needs a team of PR writers who could translate the topics into easy-speak, and send them out to the MSM like confetti – it works for the competition.
Agreed, Tim. I have often read things on this site which I would have liked to forward to various people – politicians, newspapers, friends even – but do not know how to do that. Can anyone tell me how? And if so, maybe we should all start to bombard those who need to know the truth!
As someone who has written magazines, political messages and such for many years yes I agree that some effort has to be put into presentation. Let me give you an example of a simple but good message argument.
The Australian argument was won on a simple theme. How many degrees will the “carbon” tax cool the world. The answer is about .0000028. People could understand that. The politicians took some courage, (they are rarely courageous) that the voters could see the tax was not going to do anything.
Andrew Bolt can take a lot of credit.
That said some arguments are won by reality. The more reality and the greater the divergence from their promise, “global warming”, then the more the AGW believers are open to ridicule., satire. The tide might be turning in movies Watching the BBC, usual suspects trying to ramp up “warmest year ever”, “heatwaves” and hurricanes the sadder their case looks.
Using the RSS data last year Ross McKitrick said there had been no statistically significant global warming for 26 years and no ground based warming for 19 years. Amazing how a bit of fiddling with data changed the ground based record in just 12 months. Science what science?
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/no_warming_for_19_years
It also looks like the social cost of carbon has been wildly exaggerated. Big surprise NOT.
http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2015/8/21/cost-of-global-warming-wildly-exaggerated.html
The central message that it it ‘not about the science’ is dead on , indeed the mistake is to think that because we can prove the science to be wrong we therefore are winning the game , when in reality the game is not won on scientific grounds.
The hope is in
‘they don’t want angry voters. ‘
first rule of politics get elected , next rule stay elected and so it is these rules that will actually drive what happens at Paris .
Partly because those countries such has China that don’t have to worry about elections have no intention of buying into ‘the cause ‘ in the first place.
Paris will results in the creation of a mountain of BS , the death of a small forest in writing this BS down and boost to the local high end shopping and hotel trade in the run up to Christmas .
Philip Lloyd found that the centennial change (up or down) of temp over the last 80 centuries was about 1C.
This link to the Lloyd study shows the temp graphs drawn from 2 Greenland cores and the 2 Antarctic cores. All end at 1950. Only one Greenland core covers the full 8,000 years and the other the last 4,000 years.
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/276276180_An_Estimate_of_The_Centennial_Variability_of_Global_Temperatures
But the warming from the IPCC’s preferred data set ( HAD 4) only shows 0.8c since 1850 or last 165 years. So over that time during a warming period you would think the temp increase could be 1.65c? So where is there room for their CAGW?
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1850/offset/trend
Yeah, 1850 glorious year…
It was about a decade ago that British Empire abolished slavery….
Let’s return to good old days!!!
Again. As long as any leader or prominent person like yourself, Tim Ball, keeps perpetuating the false paradigm that the Greenhouse Effect is real, but Global warming is just not as bad as the alarmists say, then rectifying truth in science is not possible.
So we continue to behave like bald men arguing oiver a comb.
Science is irrelevant as far as “Climate Change” goes. That quote of Wirth’s was 20+ years ago and we still don’t understand. This is not about global warming; it’s about global governance and always was.
I’ll give you another quote from Ottmar Edenhoffer, who was co-chair of the ICC Working Group III:
“Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world’s resources will be negotiated.” And yet we still rabbit on about “the science” with our eyes wide shut!
One more quote, from Charles Wurster, of the Environmental Defense Fund, referring to banning DDT:
“People are the cause of all the problems; we have too many of them; we need to get rid of some of them, and this … is as good a way as any.” And I’m pretty sure he wasn’t referring to red-blooded white Americans!
Get real.
wickedwenchfan August 23, 2015 at 2:02 am “…perpetuating the false paradigm that the Greenhouse Effect is real…”
Patience. It will come. As the ‘pause’ continues (or not) and temperatures continue to rise and fall with no correlation to atmospheric CO2, Tim Ball and the rest will begin to realize the error of their assumptions about CO2.
At least we can bring up the topic without being deleted. Still can’t say the S-word, though. And mentioning a certain Canadian scientist whose name begins with P will get you modded. I can understand that since said Canadian scientist published some very unprofessional remarks about Anthony.
On the plus side! Yesterday hockeyschtick published another gravito-thermal paper that totally demolishes the Arrhenius CO2 hypothesis and includes a list of 34 other recent papers that do the same:
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.ca/2015/08/new-paper-confirms-gravito-thermal.html
Eventually, everyone who actually cares about the scientific method will discover there is absolutely zero evidence for the Arrhenius CO2 hypothesis and a growing mountain of falsification against. It will fall.
Wrong. The Arrhenius hypothesis is not falsifiable.
“Wrong. The Arrhenius hypothesis is not falsifiable”
Oh yes it is. Falsified in this paper on 6 planets including Earth, and also previously falsified on all other planets in our solar system with thick atmospheres.
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2015/08/new-paper-confirms-gravito-thermal.html
By the way, Tim Ball happens to be a member of the afore-mentioned S-word group and contributor to the unmentionable book that caused much of the current controversy about it on this blog. I suspect he tailors his contributions to WUWT to suit the milieu. I suspect he understands the deficiencies of the Arrhenius CO2 hypothesis.
China has elections but they involve guns and the gaps are rather large.
The Chinese government will be very uncomfortable about any process that may slow growth to the sub 5% area.
The very stability and tenure of the current leaders will not be risked with a silly agreement with silly people in Paris.
However they will support our Western decay and will willingly encourage any process that drives industrial development out of our economies.
we are witnessing a self destruction of our economies.
Paris will be the last throw of the dice, and most of the players are expecting snake eyes or box cars. Despite all the pre-event, dead cat bounce hype – nothing much will happen.
https://thepointman.wordpress.com/2012/11/23/the-real-doh-about-doha/
Pointman
“Paris will be the last throw of the dice”
Let us hope and pray it is the last toss of the dice.
Hear, hear!
.There’ll be a lot of climate tossers there looking for dice vice !!
We need to get this right –
“Naomi Klein admitted it wasn’t about the science directly.” NO !!!
“Naomi Klein admitted it wasn’t about the science
directly.” YES !!!!!!!accuracy does NOT matter – only EFFECT !!!
Do you want to play or waffle ????
it’s true…the general public cannot be expected to understand the fine details of climate science, but they do get hypocrisy. all the faux environmental outrage given space in the following piece can’t hide the fact that the CAGW crowd use rhetoric to push the agenda while their actions tell a different story:
22 Aug: Santa Fe New Mexican: Staci Matlock: Amid push to cut coal, feds review mine lease program
The Department of the Interior is leasing millions of acres of federal coal to private mining companies even as the Obama administration ramps up efforts to curb greenhouse gases from coal-burning power plants and natural gas pipelines under the president’s Climate Action Plan.
To environmentalists and some Navajo activists living near coal mines in New Mexico, the disconnect between leasing the coal while clamping down on the climate-changing pollution it causes couldn’t be more stark…
Still, (Interior Department Secretary Sally) Jewell hasn’t called for an outright end to coal. In her March comments, she said, “Coal is going to continue to be an important part of our nation’s energy mix in the future…
In the past six years, the federal coal leasing program has approved mining more than 2 billion tons of federal coal, according to an analysis by the Sierra Club. The BLM’s recently released new resource management plans could open up 78.5 billion tons of coal from federal land for mining…
http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/amid-push-to-cut-coal-feds-review-mine-lease-program/article_b4fb27d9-a95e-574b-af44-07a9f9b4c3e5.html
India’s plan to more than double the amount of coal they use to more than 1 billion tonnes is another good talking point to convince some people that shutting down coal or setting targets to reduce carbon dioxide emissions is meaningless, & merely a pretext to promote intermittent & expensive renewables on behalf of vested interests, that will cause electricity bills to soar. the public understand such things.
This is a wonderful account of the failure of science. For this man to admit that he “parroted what the IPCC told us” is an affront to science. To believe, without examination, what a scientist says when science has been more wrong than right throughout its history is simply mortally wrong — as well as being stupid.
Anyone who pays attention to the methods, strategies, and tactics of politics could easily see this spurious chicanery (this fraudatio) coming a mile away. They have never presented a case following the scientific method that there is anything different about the climate today than before the industrial revolution. Climate does indeed change. Professor Lamb was clear about that in his book I read years and years ago.
Yes, Mr. M. Strong laid it out there in plain view to the point it now steps on some people’s toes and they wish you would forget him. That says a lot more about them than about you Dr. Ball.
The socialists, corporatists, crony-capitalists, and other statists seek to dominate and control the masses. Since the late 1800s the Western World has seen their governments (The State) grow in power and domination over the people to the point that we now live in a fishbowl and put people in jail on what they might do in the future someday. (and a thousand other, even worse, things)
Thank the gods that the media has oversold this trash to the point that even my middle school science teacher friend does not want to talk about it anymore. She was gob-smacked to discover that there were other theories out there besides the IPCC’s trash that CO2 warms the planet by 33 degrees or more. She was gob-smacked to learn that “science” has marginalized all the other theories —- so that there can be no real science in this environment. (and no, it was not me — she did that on her own)
~ Mark
If I were a political candidate, and I was asked about globalwarmingclinatechangeweatherweirding, my answer would be very simple;
“I’ll give credence to globalwarmingclimatechangeweatherweirding when those who claim it to be a crisis act and change their own behavior like its a crisis. After they’ve given up their personal jets and abandoned their energy pig oceanfront houses we’ll talk. Until then, I consider CAGW to be nothing more than a money grab and scam.”
No science needed.
should have included “annually” in –
India’s plan to more than double the amount of coal they use ANNUALLY to more than 1 billion tonnes –
meanwhile, in Australia, the Opposition Party, Labor, talks up coal when speaking to concerned constituents:
21 Aug: ABC ***Rural: Michael Condon: Coal industry will still be a force says Labor MP for Hunter
The coal industry in Australia may be facing some challenges, but it will still be a significant economic force, according to the federal Labor MP for Hunter Joel Fitzgibbon.
Responding to talk that the coal industry in Australia was likely to head into “terminal” or “structural” decline, he admitted times were tough, but predicted a fightback in the future…
“I believe that coal will continue to play a significant role in our economy and the international economy well into the future and I think that’s a view shared by the International Energy Agency.”
Mr Fitzgibbon, whose New South Wales electorate includes a number of mines, said it was wrong to suggest that the Chinese were turning their backs on coal.
“In India alone, as we talk, there are about 300 million people still without energy, without light, without power to heat their homes etc, so coal will continue to play a big role in filling that need…
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-20/coal-industry-will-still-be-a-force/6710840
ABC keeps the above positive coal story in the ***Rural section, while daily telling the broader Australian public that coal is finished, China is moving to renewables, etc., as in the following which was first posted on Tues 18 Aug (times of postings are at top & bottom of both articles), but updated & posted in Rural immediately after the pro-coal story came out.
Tim Buckley is a regular at ABC & well practised at CAGW obsfuscation, as in suggesting China & India are moving out of coal, while actually only referring to imports. (and, in time, it will be seen that both countries will continue to import coal anyway).
21 Aug: ABC Rural: Michael Condon: Coal mining facing structural decline says finance analyst
Tim Buckley, director of energy finance studies at the Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis, says Adani, Peabody, BHP and Rio are all looking to offload Australian coal assets.
He said he was not looking at coal as an environmental issue or a legal issue, but had done the numbers and it did not look good, with India and China now turning their backs on Australian coal…
“The problem is that my analysis is showing that the Chinese and the Indians are moving away from a dependence on seaborne (imported) coal. That is a structural issue.
***”The big energy companies are also investing tens of billions of dollars into renewable energy like wind and solar.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-18/coal-mining-in-terminal-decline-finance-analyst/6705860
how to counter the MSM false CAGW narratives is the greatest challenge for sceptics.
One has to start a political battle with the weapons used. The weapons of political war are words and their arrangement into a narrative that is believable by casual voters AND how they define and use them. The “evolution” of the words are continually tested and replaced until they achieve “resonance” as when a fine guitar or piano is tuned. The key, as Churchill famously said, is “never give up”. Reflect for a moment the morphing of “global warming caused by humans” to the “climate change” and the Pope’s derivative of save the planet from us.
So, what to do with these charlatans?
Pick a starting point. For example, the term “Ice Age” as used is usually 100% wrong. The age we live in, the Holocene is, in fact, a small part of an Ice Age called the Quaternary (faint hearts look it up). Create a narrative that fits the facts then use their tactics. For example
Narrative: We are in an Ice Age. This Ice Age has buried North America under thousands of feet of ice. It’s carried Canadian boulders the size of houses to Yellowstone NP, the repeated glaciation and melting has scoured Eastern Washington State (scablands). This Ice Age created the glacial moraine we now call Long Island, NY. We are now in one of the very short inter-glaciations which, yet again, has melted most of the ice making the life possible for humans. The next glaciation will begin within a few hundred years or less. If we are unprepared, we could face starvation and extinction on a scale that is unprecedented.
Tactics: Some say we should try cooling the Earth during an Ice Age – are they nuts? During an Ice Age.
Then continually refine and attack…
Okay, so how do we get to the graph totals of “percentage of repondents” = 138%?!?!
It would seem the respondents could choose more than one answer…..
I scanned the “test” over and it appears that every other question totals to 100%, or to 101%(rounding?), so I don’t believe that they could pick more than one answer.
What is another explanation?
That the Yale testers can’t add?!
You have to combine the 45% CO2….with the 42% don’t know
Combining the “don’t know” with the “co2” would be somewhat ridiculous, wouldn’t it? Or are you being facetious? Also, the total would then be 96% “of respondents” where every single other question gets 100% or 101%.
Maybe it’s time to re-visit both An Inconvenient Truth and The Great Global Warming Swindle to see how their assertions, predictions and claims have held up over the past 8-10 years or so? I think I could predict the winner!