Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
[UPDATE: Upon reading Dr. Shaviv’s reply to this post, I have withdrawn any mention of “deceptive” from this post. This term was over the top, as it ascribed motive to the authors. I have replaced the term with “misleading”. This is more accurate since it describes the effect of the analysis on the readers, and not the intentions of the authors. Dr. Shaviv and his co-authors have my apologies for my unwarranted accusation of bad faith.]
I see that Dr. Nir Shaviv has a blog post up regarding the recent fixing of problems in the historical sunspot record. He put up several interesting graphs and made several interesting claims, and I wanted to comment on them. To begin with, here’s an overview of his claim about the new sunspot record:
So, what do I think about it [the new sunspot data]? First, I have no idea whether the calibration is correct. They do make a good argument that the SN reconstruction is problematic. Namely, some corrections are probably necessary and there is no reason a priori to think that what they did is invalid. However, their claim about solar activity in general not varying much since the sun came out from the Maunder minimum is wrong. There are other more objective ways to reconstruct solar activity than subjective sunspot counting, and they do show us that solar activity increased over the 20th century. So at most, one can claim that solar activity has various facets, and that the maximum sunspot number is not a good indicator of all of them.
And here is his first graph, comparing the new and old sunspot data:
Figure 1. Dr. Shaviv’s first figure from his blog post, showing the old and new sunspot numbers.
His basic claim is that the changes in historical sunspot numbers don’t make a difference, and that there is still an increase in solar activity over the 20th century. Since both datasets are very similar during the 20th century, the new/old dataset choice makes no difference. However, I wouldn’t say that “solar activity increased over the 20th century”. It increased from 1900 to 1960, and decreased after that.
He then puts up the yearly aa index data, and points out that “The AA index (measured since the middle of the 19th century) clearly shows that the latter part of the 20th century was more active than the latter half of the 19th century.” Well, yes … and the sunspot data says that as well, and again this is true no matter which sunspot dataset is used. So I’m not clear how this adds to his argument.
Next, he examines the beryllium isotope 10Be record. This record is claimed to reflect solar activity. I say it is a very poor proxy for solar activity. I’ve pointed out a variety of problems with this “proxy” in my post here. Dr. Shaviv says:
The longer 10Be data set reveals that the latter half of the 20th century was more active than any preceding time since the Maunder minimum.
Note that he’s making a brand new claim, that the latter half of the 20th century is more active than anything since 1700. Again, I must point out that both sunspot datasets, new and old, say the exact same thing. However, they differ greatly from the 10Be proxy. In addition, he is also using the 10Be data to tacitly claim a significant increase in solar strength since 1425 or so.
Figure 2. Solar activity proxies, showing concentration of the beryllium isotope 10Be (blue), as well as the sunspots (red). From Dr. Shaviv’s blog post.
So does Figure 2 show that the old sunspot number is correct? Does it show that solar activity has been increasing since 1425, or that the sun has been “particularly active in the latter half of the 20th century”? Well … no. All it shows is that 10Be is a very poor proxy for solar activity. Let me add a few annotation lines to Dr. Shaviv’s graph to illustrate one of the reasons why it’s a bad proxy.
Figure 3. Solar activity proxies as in Figure 2, with added lines connecting the 10Be data to the sunspot record.
I’ve added a horizontal red line at a 10Be concentration of about 1.1 or so. From there, I’ve dropped vertical violet lines to the sunspot data, and then horizontal blue lines over to the sunspot scale.
So … if the marvelous 10Be “solar activity proxy” has an averaged value of 1.1, does that mean that the sunspot level is zero, or twelve, or twenty-four, or thirty-six sunspots per year? I’m sorry, but using 10Be data as a “solar proxy” in that manner doesn’t pass the laugh test.
Dr. Shaviv’s final claim in his blog post is that there is a clear solar effect on the sea level. He says (emphasis mine):
The second point I wanted to write about is a recently published analysis showing that the sun has a large effect on climate, and quantifying it. … Daniel Howard, Henrik Svensmark and I looked at the satellite altimetry data. It is similar to the tide gauge records in that it measures how much heat goes into the ocean by measuring the sea level change (most of the sea level on short time scales is due to thermal expansion). Unsurprisingly, we found that the satellite altimetry showed the same solar-cycle synchronized sea level change as the tide gauge records.
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You can see in fig. 4 how much the sun and el-Niño can explain a large fraction of the sea level change over yearly to decadal time scales.
In support of this idea that the small approximately 11-year variations in the sun affects the sea level, he posts the following graph:
Figure 4. Graph quoted in Dr. Shaviv’s blog.
Figure 4 is from the paper by Howard, Svensmark, and Shaviv, The solar and Southern Oscillation components in the satellite altimetry data. Their abstract states (emphasis mine):
Abstract With satellite altimetry data accumulating over the past two decades, the mean sea level (MSL) can now be measured to unprecedented accuracy. We search for physical processes which can explain the sea level variations and find that at least 70% of the variance in the annually smoothed detrended altimetry data can be explained as the combined effect of both the solar forcing and the El Nino–Southern Oscillation (ENSO).
So to be clear, they are talking about studying how solar forcing and ENSO affect sea level. According to their abstract, they model the sea level, using solar forcing and ENSO as their independent variables, to get the purple line in Figure 4 above. And to be fair, Figure 4 shows a pretty good match between model (purple line) and data (blue dots).
Now, in order to get their model results (lovely purple line) to match the sea level data (blue dots), would you care to know how which solar dataset the authors actually used? Because after the big buildup about the sun, and about solar forcing, I was certainly curious which dataset they would choose. Would they look at TSI, total solar irradiance? Of, since Svensmark is a proponent of solar-modulated cosmic rays affecting the climate, would they use the neutron count dataset that measures cosmic rays? Or would it be something else, solar wind or something … the paper gives the answer.
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No solar data. Period.
Not one bit of solar data was used in their study. No aa index data. No TSI (total solar irradiation) data either. No trace of the sunspot data. Not a sign of the cosmic ray information. Nothing about the solar wind. No sign of heliomagnetic information. Rude truth is, no solar data of any kind were harmed in the creation of their model … because no solar data of any kind were used.
Instead, what you see is a seven-tunable-parameter model (purple line), using solely El Nino 3.4 data as the only observational input, that has been fitted to the sea level data (blue dots in Figure 4 above). No solar data was involved at all.
Well, of course when I found that out, I had to go see why they didn’t use the solar data. After all, we have reasonable TSI data and good sunspot data for the period.
Figure 5. Sunspot data (black, at bottom, scale on right) and satellite TSI (total solar irradiance) data (color) from a succession of satellites. SOURCE
I started by doing what the authors did. I used the detrended Colorado sea level data and the Trenberth El Nino 3.4 data. I’ll call the El Nino 3.4 Index the “ENI” for simplicity.
Next I standardized the datasets, which means I transformed them by subtracting out the mean (average) and dividing by the standard deviation. This gives both datasets a mean of zero and a standard deviation of one. I often do this to get an idea of how well related a couple of datasets might be, when they are in different units. Note that this standardization procedure does not include any tunable parameters. Here’s the result:
Figure 6. A comparison of the standardized detrended monthly Colorado satellite sea level (red) and the monthly El Nino 3.4 data (black)
As you can see, there is a reasonably good overall correlation between the El Nino 3.4 Index (“ENI”, black) and the detrended sea level (black). Now, what we want to determine is whether the solar variation is a possible explanation for the difference between the ENI and the sea level. To do that we need to look at the “residuals”, which means the part if the sea level data that is NOT explained by the ENI. The procedure is to use the ENI values to calculate the expected corresponding sea level values. Then we subtract those fitted sea level values from the actual sea level values, and what is left are the “residuals”. These residuals are the variations in sea level which are not related to the ENI. The residuals are what we hope is explained by solar fluctuations. Here is a graph of the residuals over the period after we subtract out the El Nino 3.4 variations:
Figure 7. Residual sea level after removal of the El Nino variations.
Now, when the authors saw that, they must have been very happy. That sure looks a whole lot like a solar-related variation to me. So what’s not to like?
Well, as also unfortunately happens at times with my own ideas, a beautiful theory founders on a hidden reef of data. Let me overlay the actual solar variations on top of the residual sea level shown in the figure above. I’m showing both the sunspots and the TSI, so you can see how the sunspots are an excellent proxy for TSI.
Figure 8. Residual sea level as in Figure 7 (black), overlaid with the sunspot (blue) and TSI (red) data. This is the new sunspot data, but for this period the new and old data are nearly identical.
I’m sure you can see the problem the authors faced with using actual solar data … the TSI/sunspot records (red/blue) start out well correlated, with both bottoming out in about 1996. But then, the TSI/sunpots inconveniently peak around 2001 and bottom out around 2008-2009. Meanwhile, sea level peaks at around 2006, about five years after the TSI/sunspots, and doesn’t bottom out until 2011 … no bueno for their lovely theory.
So, just what is a poor scientist supposed to do in such a case? Sadly, what Dr. Shaviv and the other authors decided to do was to just add a simple sine wave to the model and claim that it is the “solar term”. Here’s their graph of their so-called “harmonic solar component” …
Figure 9. The “harmonic solar component” used in their model
And here’s how it fits into the previous figure …
Figure 10. As in Figure 8, but overlaid with their “harmonic solar component” (black/yellow). For clarity I have not shown the underlying TSI/sunspot data, only the gaussian averages (red/blue).
How lovely! You see that a sine wave (black/yellow line) is a pretty good fit to the sea level over the period. The only problem is that despite the authors calling it the “harmonic solar component”, there is nothing “solar” about a sine wave at all. Zero. Nada. It has nothing to do with the sun. Instead, it is merely a 12.6 year sinusoidal cycle that has been fitted to match the sea level data.
And why have they chosen a 12.6 year cycle? The study says:
Last, we take P = 12.6 years, which is the duration of the last solar cycle.
However, I note that the actual length of the last solar cycle was 12.4 years (trough-trough, from the data shown above). I also note that the best fit of the simple sine wave to the residual sea level data gives a “harmonic solar component” with a period of 12.61 years. It is possible that is a coincidence.
Conclusions? In no particular order …
• The 10Be beryllium isotope truly sucks as a solar proxy when used as it was in their study.
• Climate science is in a horrible state when you can pass off a bog-simple 12.6 year sine wave as a “harmonic solar component”. The journal, the peer reviewers, and the authors all share responsibility for this highly misleading study. The study is not about “The solar and Southern Oscillation components in the satellite altimetry data” as the title claims. Iit’s not about solar anything. Instead, it is about fitting a sine wave to sea level data. That is false advertising, not science of any sort.
• Finally, a seven-parameter model? Have these folks never heard the story of Von Neumann’s elephant? Obviously not … so I attach it for their edification. In any case, they have the following parameters in their model:
The intercept parameter, which adjusts the model results vertically
The trend parameter, which sets the trend of the model results
Three sine wave parameters (amplitude, phase, and period) for their grandly-named “harmonic solar component”
The ENI index parameter, setting the effect of the ENI
The ENI index integral parameter, as they’ve used both the ENI and the integral of the ENI in the model
Seriously? Seven tunable parameters? Von Neumann weeps …
In any case, summer is here, the day is warm … I’m going walking in the solar forcing.
Best to all,
w.
The Usual: If you disagree with someone, please quote the exact words that they used that you disagree with. I’m tired of being accused of things I never said. Quote the words you object to so we can all understand what you are getting at.
[UPDATE]: In the comments, Brandon Shollenberger says correctly, albeit quite unpleasantly, that I was remiss in not discussing the authors’ stated reason for using a fitted sine wave in place of the real solar data, so let me remedy that oversight. They say:
The above empirical fit assumed a harmonic solar forcing. Although it is only an approximation, it significantly simplifies the analysis. By describing the radiative forcing anomaly as a complex number: ΔFsolar(t) = ΔFsolar exp(−iωt), each component of the sea level can then be described with a complex amplitude. The phase will then describe a lag or lead relative to the solar forcing.
Let me begin by saying that if the real solar data had fit the sea level record, if the actual solar observations had provided strong and unequivocal support for their hypothesis that tiny variations in the sun affect the sea level, they would have used the real data without a qualm or a question. And rightly so, I’d do the same myself, as would you or anyone. Finding such clear evidence of solar influence would be the jewel in the crown, it would be the final piece to the puzzle that folks have searched for over centuries.
But the fact is, as the graphs above clearly show, the solar data does NOT match up with the sea level residuals, not in any sense. And it also doesn’t match up with the sine wave, so their claim that the sine wave is an “approximation” of the solar data doesn’t hold water either.
As a result, we can start with the certain knowledge that they have left out the main explanation for why they didn’t use the solar data—because it didn’t fit the sea level residual for beans. They’ve put a sine wave in their instead and called it a “harmonic solar component”. I call that highly misleading.
However, there is another, larger reason that describing the sine wave “solar” anything is misleading, which is that it “begs the question”. This oft-misused expression means that the speaker assumes what they are trying to demonstrate—in this case, they assume that the cause is the sun, and go forwards with that unproven, untested, and unlikely assumption. They have assumed that the solar variations are the missing link in explaining sea level variations, but that solar-sealevel connection is exactly what the authors are trying to prove! Circular logic at its finest.
So they can’t assume that connection, they have to demonstrate it … and unfortunately, the solar data doesn’t support it.
Let me try to clarify this by example. Suppose I’m studying the effect of gamma rays on marigold growth. And unfortunately for my lovely hypothesis, the gamma ray data is uncorrelated with the marigold growth data.
But I notice a sine wave can be fitted to the marigold growth data quite well, and the sine wave kinda sorta looks a bit like my gamma ray data, and even better, using the sine wave allows me to “significantly simplify the analysis” … sound familiar? So I throw away all of my gamma ray data, and I just use the sine wave in my analysis.
Here’s the question. Given that there is no gamma ray data of any kind in my study, am I justified in calling the sine wave a “harmonic gamma ray component”, and calling the cycle of the sine wave the “gamma ray cycle”? Or is that misleading?
I say it is misleading as hell, because it leads the reader to believe that gamma rays and the “gamma ray cycle” are indeed the cause of variations in marigold growth, when in fact my gamma ray study showed the opposite, little correlation. Here’s the bottom line. Once I pull out the gamma ray data and replace it with a sine wave, I no longer have a gamma ray model. I have a sine wave model. My sine wave model can only tell me if there is an apparent sine wave component to the marigold growth. It can’t tell me anything about gamma rays because there are none in my model.
Note that the same thing is happening in their paper. Despite the fact that the solar cycle is clearly NOT correlated with the sea level data, and despite the fact that there isn’t one scrap of solar data in their study, they call a simple sine wave a “harmonic solar component”, they ascribe causality to “the Sun”, they call what their model shows “solar forcing”, and they talk at length of “solar cycles” in an effort to persuade the reader that they’ve demonstrated their case about the sun causing sea level variations … when in fact, the data shows the opposite, little correlation. Here’s the bottom line. Once they pull out the solar data and replace it with a sine wave, they no longer have a solar model. They have a sine wave model. Their sine wave model can only only tell us if there is an apparent sine wave component to the sea level. It can’t tell us anything about solar variations because there are none in their model.
And that’s why their paper is misleading. Here’s the simple version. If you have to use a sine wave because the solar data doesn’t fit, you can’t claim it is a “harmonic solar component” when that is what you are trying to prove … even if it ”significantly simplifies the analysis”. It may indeed let you simplify the analysis, or it may not, but that doesn’t magically make it a “harmonic solar component”. It’s a fitted sine wave, and claiming otherwise is misleading.
Finally, the authors never seem to have considered the effect of their replacement of actual data with a sine wave. While it is true that you can do analyses using a sine wave that you can’t do using the real data, because the real data doesn’t look like a sine wave … doesn’t it seem to you that the results of said analyses are likely to apply only to the world of the sine wave, and not to the world of the real data?
Freeman Dyson tells the story of Von Neumann’s elephant (emphasis mine)
We began by calculating meson–proton scattering, using a theory of the strong forces known as pseudoscalar meson theory. By the spring of 1953, after heroic efforts, we had plotted theoretical graphs of meson–proton scattering.We joyfully observed that our calculated numbers agreed pretty well with Fermi’s measured numbers. So I made an appointment to meet with Fermi and show him our results. Proudly, I rode the Greyhound bus from Ithaca to Chicago with a package of our theoretical graphs to show to Fermi.
When I arrived in Fermi’s office, I handed the graphs to Fermi, but he hardly glanced at them. He invited me to sit down, and asked me in a friendly way about the health of my wife and our newborn baby son, now fifty years old. Then he delivered his verdict in a quiet, even voice. “There are two ways of doing calculations in theoretical physics”, he said. “One way, and this is the way I prefer, is to have a clear physical picture of the process that you are calculating. The other way is to have a precise and selfconsistent mathematical formalism. You have neither.” I was slightly stunned, but ventured to ask him why he did not consider the pseudoscalar meson theory to be a selfconsistent mathematical formalism. He replied, “Quantum electrodynamics is a good theory because the forces are weak, and when the formalism is ambiguous we have a clear physical picture to guide us.With the pseudoscalar meson theory there is no physical picture, and the forces are so strong that nothing converges. To reach your calculated results, you had to introduce arbitrary cut-off procedures that are not based either on solid physics or on solid mathematics.”
In desperation I asked Fermi whether he was not impressed by the agreement between our calculated numbers and his measured numbers. He replied, “How many arbitrary parameters did you use for your calculations?”
I thought for a moment about our cut-off procedures and said, “Four.”
He said, “I remember my friend Johnny von Neumann used to say, with four parameters I can fit an elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk.”
With that, the conversation was over. I thanked Fermi for his time and trouble,and sadly took the next bus back to Ithaca to tell the bad news to the students. Because it was important for the students to have their names on a published paper, we did not abandon our calculations immediately. We finished them and wrote a long paper that was duly published in the Physical Review with all our names on it. Then we dispersed to find other lines of work. I escaped to Berkeley, California, to start a new career in condensed-matter physics.
Willis.
In fig 3 you show that the 10Be plot does not match the sunspot plot. But the increase in 10Be looks fairly regular and consistent, for whatever reason (not sure how they achieve this plot).
If you detrended the 10Be plot by the amount it appears to be increasing, would it then become a good proxy for sunspot activity?
Just wonderin’
R
Perhaps, but then it wouldn’t support the idea of the “solar grand maximum”, which is what they were using it for.
w.
True.
But it might make the 10Be plot more useful in other research, if it began to look more reliable.
R
Mr Eschenbach, this is somewhat unrelated: have you seen or prepared a map showing the difference between the UAH/RSS troposphere temperature anomaly and the surface temperature anomaly from one of the “surface temperature anomaly providers”? I’ve noticed they seem to drift away from each other, but I was wondering if the drift is focused more on the north of 60 latitudes, and if the answer may not be the use of sea ice temperature rather than air temperature just above the ice? Am I making sense?
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I like fig 7, the Residual sea level after removal of the El Nino variations. It looks like a nice 15-year sine-wave, and happens to be a 1/4 harmonic of the PDO.
The blind watchmaker’s mechanism in action?
River, lake, sea levels ect are correlated with solar
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/07/22/solar-to-river-flow-and-lake-level-correlations/
One of many postings and published papers. Svaalgard is an AGW’er as I understand… who would you believe?
I think some South African scientists published this some time ago a comprehensive study on this thus confirming Brandon ect.
http://skepticalscience.net/pdf/rebuttal/sunspots-and-water-levels-intermediate.pdf
Eliza, both of those studies are badly flawed, as are the overwhelming majority of such claims. See my posts Sunny Spots along the Parana River and Sunspots and Sea Level for a discussion of their problems.
All the best,
w.
Willis,
This is off topic, but since the sunspot / TSI record is freshly queued in your mind, which do you think is more accurate the ACRIM composite or PMOD?
Thanks, LT, but I have no clue. Ask Leif Svalgaard, he’d know.
w.
The increase in galactic radiation. Lock southern polar vortex. Attack of winter in Bolivia.
http://www.bartol.udel.edu/~pyle/thespnplot2.gif
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/strat_a_f/gif_files/gfs_t50_sh_f00.gif
Very beutifully crafted analysis Willis! Congratulations!
I wouldn’t trust a word Lord Kelvin said, or Willis.
Since you have not quoted a word that either Lord Kelvin or I said, or pointed out what you disagree with, I fear you’re just exercising your constitutionally-guaranteed right to make meaningless noise in public …
w.
So the name LK has stuck……..I’m delighted you find it appropriate.
Jay Hope August 14, 2015 at 3:06 pm
Stuck? Appropriate? Not a bit of either one. When I wrote it, I hadn’t seen the earlier thread, so I thought you were actually talking about Lord Kelvin … sorry to disappoint you.
I also note that you still haven’t quoted one thing you disagree with, instead contenting yourself with childish names and personal attacks … classy.
w.
Willis, Unfortunately, I won’t have time to get back to this for a day or two and I must start on my long list of tasks now. Haven’t had time to read all the comments, Maybe someone else has addressed my points. Probably better than I
1. I don’t know much about sunspot numbers, but I’m pretty sure they are an index, not a count. A single small sunspot generates a SSN around 10, not 1 — which is why we seem never to see daily SSNs of say 5. May not be a problem at all or perhaps not for any but low SSN numbers
2. IMO, all sea level change estimates are suspect. They are all extremely small numbers measured in a very noisy environment subject to a lot of physical variables that may not be known as well as they are thought to be. For example, for whatever reasons the CU data from the Topes/Poseidon satellites show half again as much rise as tidal qauge averages and the earlier GOES satellite data. Detrending the data may defang that issue … or not.
Nice article.
Analyzing residuals is OK as long as the independant variables are truly independent. What should you expect if a relationship exists between ENSO and sunspots? An interaction effect.
Perhaps the missing factor of this whole discussion is the cyclical Sea level Tidal component?
http://lasp.colorado.edu/home/sorce/files/2011/09/TIM-TSI-Reconstruction1-1024×788.jpg
The Shaviv sunspot numbers don’t correlate all that well with the measured irradiance. The IPCC TSI Reconstruction is better.
However, cycle 21 looks from the data to be about 20% (1/2 W to 1 W) more energetic at its peak than cycle 22 instead of the less that 0.05 W shown in sunspot and TSI reconstructions.. Why is that? Was there an initial ERB calibration issue?
There is the whole question of transparency. A layman expects to get the whole picture up front. Scientists use complex language, and leave it to other skilled scientists to decipher the text.
I am with Willis. It is time climate science stopped using ‘hide the decline” tricks. All the paper showed was that there “might” be a sun influence “if” someone else could find the physics to explain the sine wave. They did not themselves have the physics. They needed to have said that. Thus that is deceptive to me the layman. I need full transparency.
ECB August 14, 2015 at 6:26 am
ECB, the study cannot show us anything about the sun’s influence, or whether their “might” be a solar influence, because it doesn’t contain any data about the sun.
w.
Willis, It seems to me that TSI should be compared to the *rate of change* in the sea level residuals. That is, when the TSI is high, temperatures should be high, and the rate of SLR should be high as well (allowing for some lag). Is that what you did?
Incidentally, a couple of years ago I plotted the rates of change in temperature (hadcrut4) and SLR (Jevrejeva). Both exhibited a ~60yr cycle, with SLR lagging temperature by about 20yrs.
https://sites.google.com/site/climateadj/multiscale-trend-analysis—hadcrut4
climateadj August 14, 2015 at 6:52 am
No, I did what the authors did, to see where they went off the rails.
w.
Actually, I have no problem with what you did. I believe my logic was faulty. However, I suspect there should be a substantial lag due to convective inertia.
Hell, no one has “a good, solid, robust reference for the actual temperature” of Earth today!
That was supposed to be a reply to “philincalifornia
August 14, 2015 at 6:23 am” on the “Halfway to Hell” topic.
(Firefox suddenly behaved in a totally unexpected manner.)
Actually, now that I think about it, the rate of change in SLR should lag an additional 1/4 cycle, making the comparison worse I believe.
There is a physical explanation for everything. There are cycles of warming and cooling in the paleo record that correlate to solar cycle changes. The solar cycle changes are the primary cause of cyclic planetary climate change, not changes in atmospheric CO2. The sun causes the planet to warm and cool by directly and indirectly causing changes in planetary cloud cover.
As noted coronal holes on the surface of the sun cause persistent regular wind bursts which cause a space charge differential in the ionosphere which in turn causes a movement of electric charge from the high latitudes of the planet to tropical regions. The movement of charge cause an increase in cloud cover in both high and low latitude regions, a change in cloud properties, and a change in cloud duration.
The electroscavenging effect last for 3 to 5 days and is hence dependent on the number and duration between wind bursts. To measure the driving solar mechanism requires a count of the number of solar wind bursts which is related to a count of Ak the four hour change in the geomagnetic field rather than the month average change in the geomagnetic field. i.e. A single large change in the solar wind has less impact on the electroscavenging mechanism than a string of persistent solar wind bursts which is what coronal holes produce.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2009JA014342/abstract
Thanks, Willis, for another excellent article.
Willis when it comes to solar/climate relationships you are in a word clueless.
The AA index which so far has not been manipulated shows that solar activity increased substancially during the 20th century and in response to this sea surface global temperatures.
The aa-index suffers from a calibration error in 1957, see Section 5.3 of http://www.leif.org/research/2007JA012437.pdf
Leif you always have an answer for everything to make it fit into your wishful thinking for a non existent solar /climate relationship which you are entitled to.
The data below is from the research Bob Weber has done and what he has posted. It shows beyond a shadow of of a doubt (contrary to what Willis keeps trying to show) that sunspot activity between the years 1935-2004 was much higher then sunspot activity from the years 1865-1935.
In addition sunspot activity post 2004 -today is once again much lower then the maximum from 1935-2004 and is gong to continue n this manner going forward and even become even lower against the 1935-2004 average. I dare say the sunspot average going forward will also be below the 1865-1935 sunspot average going out to year 2030.
The AP index continues to be much less post 2005 as opposed to the time prior to 2005 and the implications of all of this will once again be a decline in global sea surface temperatures and a decline in the average global temperatures, as has been the case with every single previous prolonged solar minimum period of time. In addition the atmospheric circulation will become more meridional and volcanic activity will be on the rise, (AS HAS BEEN THE CASE) with all previous prolonged solar minimum periods of time.
Objective non manipulated data shows this CLEARLY to be the case, and it will be the case once again as we move forward thru this decade and beyond.
DATA FROM BOB WEBER WHICH SHOWS CLEARLY A MAXMUM OF SOLAR ACTIVITY FROM 1935-2004.
Using the new v2 monthly SSN data:
The modern maximum in solar activity occurred from June 1935 to Nov 2004, 834 months (69.5 yrs), when v2 monthly SSNs averaged 109, as compared to the previous 69.5 years, between Dec 1865 and May 1935, when the SSNs averaged 65.7, which was a 69.5 year 65.6% increase in sunspot activity.
Again with v2 yearly SSN data:
The modern maximum in solar activity occurred from 1935.5 to 2004.5, a 70 year period, when v2 yearly SSNs averaged 108.5, as compared to a 65.8 per year average for the 70 years between 1865.5 and 1934.5, which was a 70 year 65% increase in sunspot activity.
Take your pick- monthly or yearly data, 69.5 or 70 years, and either a 65.6% or 65% increase.
http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c01a3fcde48d2970b-pi
Data(not manipulated) which shows the solar/climate connection.
Well … no. All it shows is that 10Be is a very poor proxy for solar activity.
According to you Willis but unfortunately for you others do not share your in your opinion on this al for that matter on all your solar/climate findings. Especially me and we shall see going forward which view is correct.
Even with the new numbers, the period from about 1880 to around 1940 had pretty low number of sun spots, and the 5 largest peaks since the end of the little ice age have occurred since 1940.
The Group Number for the first half of the data since 1700 was 4.4+/-0.5, and for the last half also 4.4+/-0.2. Statistically indistinguishable. Thus, no long-term trend.
What matters is how weak will solar activity be going forward in contrast to the 1935-2004 period.
So far solar activity is weaker in contrast to the 1935-2004 maximum period of solar activity and I look for this to only become more pronounced as we move forward thru this century.
The climate response will be for lower global /sea surface temperatures, due to primary and secondary associated effects with prolonged minimum solar conditions.
I agree with Leif that, if we were to call the current solar maximum a “grand maximum”, we would have to say the same about the 1700-1800 period. It is not unusual, if we compare it to what we had at that time. However, I don’t agree that this excludes any possibility that the sun is not behind the XX century temperature rise. Because between 1700-1800 we also DID have quite a temperature rise as well. And not small at all, we were leaving the crudest part of the LIA behind. And the current solar maximum may not be greater than the 1700-1800 maximum, but it is certainly greater than any other period from 1800 onwards.
A problem for the solar influence is that the last three cycles were similar to the three cycles about a century ago, while temperatures now are significantly higher than back then. Of course, all kinds of tortuous excuses can be brought forwards: lags, integrated effects, unknown forcings, bad data, etc., but they are sound like special pleading to me.
Below is the criteria I have come up with to determine how much activity is taking place on the sun.
Notice I did not include sunspot numbers. Why because they are subjective and easily manipulated.
THE CRITERIA
Solar Flux avg. sub 90
Solar Wind avg. sub 350 km/sec
AP index avg. sub 5.0
Cosmic ray counts north of 6500 counts per minute
Total Solar Irradiance off .15% or more
EUV light average 0-105 nm sub 100 units (or off 100% or more) and longer UV light emissions around 300 nm off by several percent.
IMF around 4.0 nt or lower.
There is such a strong correlation between Sunspots and the 10.7 cm Flux that there is a formula:
Flux = 67.29 + 0.316 R + 0.01084 R^2 – 0.006813 R^3 + 0.0000001314 R^4
Since the Flux is actually measured on the Earth, after 1948, why use the Sunspots?
http://www.spaceweather.ca/solarflux/sx-4a-en.php
http://www.spaceweather.ca/solarflux/sx-6-mavg-en.php
The Flux is the best proxy for Solar Energy actually reaching the Earth.
The relationship formula is from
http://www.leif.org/research/The%20SWPC%20Solar%20Flux.pdf
The measured flux does not tell us what activity was before 1947, which is why the sunspot series is important. It is, however, possible to estimate the solar flux back to the middle of the 18th century from the effect of solar activity on the geomagnetic field, see e.g. http://www.leif.org/research/Reconstruction-of-Solar-EUV-Flux-1740-2015.pdf
Don’t care about Sunspots before 1948. I care about what is happening now! [ last 60 years]. Isn’t this when most of the “Climate Change” has occurred. I don’t use Sunspot peaks; I use the integral of the energy over the years.
The F10.7 flux has almost no energy in itself and is just a proxy for the real energy [TSI and its proxy: sunspots]
You published the formula for the relationship between Sunspots and Flux. Solving that equation for R gives
R = 0.0184502 (-790. + 3.16228 (-1.76115*10^6 + 27100. Flux)^(0.5)) .
Put in a value of Flux and you get Sunspot numbers.
So TSI has a relationship to both Sunspots and Flux. Therefore Flux is also a proxy!
The Flux instrumental reading is much more accurate that attempting to count Sunspots! In addition, the Flux [proxy], is measured on the Earth not 93 million miles away via a telescope.
Again, all I care about is after 1948.
Then you only get a distorted short-term view of the variability which nobody else would care about. Suit yourself.
I didn’t ask you to comment or give your views about anything. Contrary to your view, many people are interested in the relationship of Flux to Sunspots and Sunspots to Flux.
Of course, you ignored the integral of the Flux over time. That concept has an entire website devoted to it. Maybe you should visit it to get a more rounded view of reality.
When you use my formula you expose yourself to my comments. I myself am very interested in the flux and its relationship with sunspot numbers, and have published several papers on that subject. The flux is a proxy for the EUV emission. Here are the EUV and flux back to the 1740s:
http://www.leif.org/research/Reconstruction-of-Solar-EUV-Flux-1740-2015.pdf
But you don’t care about that, only what the sun did after 1947. So your view is limited and not representative of the solar variation.
Just to be clear, you mean that there was no Solar variation after 1948, and for 65 years?? This is the time I’m interested in. I’m concerned about “the recent past”, “the now” and “future”. Of course, I use the Flux, a great proxy for energy from Sunspots and TSI actually reaching the Earth.
You can see the flux after since 1840 [and then of course also since 1947] in Figure 16 of http://www.leif.org/research/Reconstruction-of-Solar-EUV-Flux-1740-2015.pdf
So what I’m getting from this is “sun hot = sea high, sun cold = sea low” with a displacement of a few years
prjindigo August 14, 2015 at 10:16 am
Nope. There is no solar data in the analysis. What you are really getting from this is
“sine wave high = sea high, sine wave low = sea low”
And your confusion on this matter is an example of why I say the study is deceptive.
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