Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Pope Francis has waded into the climate debate again, by attempting to link human trafficking and climate change.
According to the Daily Mail;
Pope Francis has urged world leaders to take a ‘very strong stand’ on climate change ahead of the United Nations summit in Paris this year.
He was speaking at a conference of mayors and governors, who signed a declaration saying it may be the last chance to tackle human-induced global warming, at the Vatican today.
The meeting linked climate change and modern slavery because, according to an introductory paper, ‘global warming is one of the causes of poverty and forced migration’.
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The cleric, speaking to the group in unprepared comments in Spanish, said he hoped the UN conference would address ‘particularly how it (climate change) affects the trafficking of people.
There is just one problem with this claim: where are the climate refugees?
As WUWT recently reported, the world’s only climate claimant just lost his case. The reason: In relation to the Refugee Convention, while Kiribati undoubtedly faces challenges, Mr Teitiota does not, if returned, face serious harm and there is no evidence that the government of Kiribati is failing to take steps to protect its citizens from the effects of environmental degradation to the extent that it can
I’m not suggesting climate change cannot cause migration – a number of towns in the Swiss Alps were destroyed by advancing glaciers during the little ice age. The beginning of the current interglacial saw huge migrations, as people settled land which was liberated from the vast continental ice sheets.
A number of countries also have serious self inflicted environmental problems, caused by poor resource management, such as soil erosion from over intensive farming.
But if anthropogenic climate change were a major cause of “poverty and forced migration”, not to mention slavery, then why can’t green activists find someone who has a compelling case for claiming climate refugee status? If the unfortunate Mr Teitiota is the best example green activists can muster, we can surely conclude that there currently is no verifiable connection between anthropogenic climate change, forced migration and human trafficking.
Lordy this pope is stupid. Global warming is the one sure thing to cause more babies, let alone tarts. If he truely were Catholic, he would be thanking God we got it! Cold destroys fragile humans. Warm makes us, well, in a procreative frame of mind, (she said coyly in mixed company).
The Pope’s senior adviser on such matters, Hans Joachim Schellnhuber, does not want us “in a procreative frame of mind”. He’s a 1 billion carrying capacity kind of guy, though I don’t know if he and the Pope share any common ground on that issue. 😉
Any relation to Joachim de Fiore, the great apocalyptic fantasist in the ancient Church?
If the population of the earth was 7 million, there would be people saying that is too many, we need to cut back to 1 million people. Schellnhuber would be one of them.
Have you noticed that those purportedly concerned about overpopulation rarely discuss the path from overpopulation to ideal population.
Velly intellesting! (HT: Arte Johnson)
If you have read the encyclical, you would know that the Pope does blame overpopulation, but greed. He seems to think everything is a zero-sum game. If Mary get’s richer it’s at the expense of John. I cannot deny that there are no profligate Marys, but I can state that wealth creation is a good thing for society. The Pope’s concentration is on the poor where it should be; however, whether all his ideas on helping the poor are good ones is very much open to debate. Perhaps he has been unduly influenced by the liberation theology of Gustavo Gutierrez, but that is conjecture on my part.
One can make a case that Al Gore has profited from global warming, and even argue that grants from such agencies as the NSF may be more forth coming if global warming is mentioned. But it is hard to see how the Pope or the Catholic Church profits from this. I truly think he is seeking to do good and that is his only motive. This is not to deny the Pope is simply wrong. The doctrine of infallibility does not extend to these matters.
One thing I don’t understand about the global warming debate is this. It has been pretty well documented that climate models run hot, and tree rings are not the best proxies for temperature measurement. However it is also demonstrated that C02 prevents energy from escaping and thus should warm the planet.
If the models/ failures are due to climate complexity and overstating the effects of C02, does that mean the effects of climate change have been delayed, or is there no concentration of CO2 at which the predictions come true or is it impossible to reach such a concentration. In other words is the Pope completely wrong or premature?
Many people declare themselves to be “lukewarmers”. I find that position enticing, though I freely admit I don’t fully understand the science. Yet I have not seen the above questions addressed.
I have read the Encyclical. I agree with your assessment.
@ Ian McGregor” One of the main reasons I left the Catholic Church is the fact that from the pope on down they seem to think they are “infallible” . As human beings and that is very single one of us, there is no such thing.
@Ian MacGregor,
“But it is hard to see how the Pope or the Catholic Church profits from this”.
Just wait and see the identity of those organisations that get their grubby paws into the UN’s Green Climate Fund honeypot, if the nations of the world are stupid enough to fund it to the level the undemocratic UN bureaucracy demands. The Vatican has ensured that it has ingratiated itself with the green socialist authoritarians who will try to control that Fund. I can see it now. More dollars will stick to the to the side of the Catholic Church than was ever filched from Banco Ambrosiano.
Never get between a Roman Catholic priest and a pot of money was the advice my old nan always gave me. She was right too.
You know what isn’t a cause of poverty and forced migration? Cheap and widely distributed electricity.
Good point Don.
this article should have been entitled: ” Pope jumps the shark “.
One thing that will be sure NOT do anything at all to stop slavery is to pretend it is linked to CAGW .
It’s probalby fairly effective way to divert attention from the real problem. And since it is going to take the best part of century before the nearly non existent cooling from reducing “carbon” takes effect, I guess we won’t be seeing a reduction in slavery from what the Pope is suggesting for many generations to come.
This has to be about the all-time dumbest thing ever attributed to CO2.
So we had no human trafficking before Global Warming. What happened to “the Devil that made them do it”.
Has Global Warming now become the new Devil and Mother Earth the new God?
In the church of Vatican 2—-absolutely!
Sedevacantist in Seattle
The Pope admits to being ill informed on economics and in ignoring the emergence of the global middle class in favor of a high intensity focus on the poor and the excluded. At least Pope Francis knows what he doesn’t know. All popes choose focuses and there’s nothing wrong with focusing on the poor and excluded. The problem is that the curia and other structures are supposed to fill in and support Pope Francis so he doesn’t make a fool of himself on issues he is not focusing on, or even issues he does focus on but aren’t a matter of his personal expertise.
Pope Francis knows quite well that this papal support structure is rotten, which is why he provisionally renewed existing positions on his election day instead of the more customary permanent renewal. He must both fight and rely on the same people in a delicate dance that is very much Catholic inside baseball. Skeptical Catholics didn’t get the hint and review the PAS and PASS with an eye to pushing more sound candidates to the posts. Others did. This is not Pope Francis’ fault, but our own. People die and slots open but I still have no clue who would make good appointments to either body and who are sound on a human centered assessment of climate. Again, this is not the Pope’s fault, but our own.
I did not say, nor did anyone else say, the Pope believes in reducing or blaming over population. But apparently he has advisers around him that do. Advisers tell you what they believe you want to hear while still getting you to do their hidden bidding. They said of pioneers that if they needed help to homestead, they shouldn’t have gone out West in the first place. If the Pope needs help to understand basic meteorological weather and climate physics, he shouldn’t be walking in that sea of complicated issues in the first place. As it is, he is vulnerable to clever but ill-willed advice and by repeating that advice, he sends out potentially malevolent intentions in sheep’s clothing.
He is an antipope and this is all very much his fault. The Church has ALWAYS focused on helping the poor.
No the real question is, where did the Church find this chowderhead?
Argentina.
Yeah, like in “Don’t cry for me Argentina.”
They (the College of Cardinals) screwed up. They wanted someone who was not European. So the Cardinals from Africa, South America, and Asia formed a block with some Cardinals from Europe. It was Politics. Note before the Pope issued his Encyclical, he made a comment to the effect that it would anger many in the west.
Perhaps some of this is part of a power struggle within the Vatican. Old guard vs New?
Things are not always as they seem.
michael
And why did Pope Benedict retire? Was it blackmail?
“According to anonymous Vatican officials, Benedict’s continued presence in the Vatican City will assist with the provision of security, prevent his retirement location from becoming a place of pilgrimage, and provide him with legal protection from potential lawsuits.[22]”
He’s a Marxist. I think it’s fine to have a communist pope, it will create very nice tensions and be fun to watch. I imagine Jeb Bush must ge considering the Anglican Church? Being a Catholic with a red Pope must be giving him a conuption.
ferdberple
“And why did Pope Benedict retire? Was it blackmail?”
It wouldn’t be the first time a Pope was driven out of the Vatican, if that is the case.
Also guess who the competition was during Benedict’s election. Makes you wonder.
miichael
Maybe that block wanted a pope who would take a warmist position. (It’s hard to believe that climate change wasn’t discussed among that block. They want that $100 billion-a-year dole.) So maybe now Francis is mostly fulfilling his end of the bargain.
In the crowd of clones in Rome. This is a fellow who aspires to a leadership of an outfit that says it renders him infallible. The sheer empty headed arrogance of that alone says it all.
+1 and thanks
Pope Francis: Climate change causes human trafficking
OMG!
I was just reading that the Pontiff mentions the Devil all the time and has for years. Seems he believes that the Devil is a real person and is very powerful — the Church’s main enemy according to him.
It may be that the Devil himself is the one guiding the Pontiff in matters of climate. It could be.
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light…..2 Corinthians 11:14
For what it’s worth…
Yup. Satan. I knew it.
That is not a nice thing to suggest about Hans Joachim Schellnhuber.
LOL! And here I was thinking that saying they might or might not have common ground about frame of mind was not a nice thing ;>O!
Who knew Damien Thorn was real?
Satan Disguised as a… CO2 producer!! They say that “you Burn In Hell” that suggest that HUGE fires are burning in Hell, I suggest that some of the zealot that crowd the newspapers and the air-wave, might want to go down there and start talking to Satan about the “Evil” CO2……
The Devil went down to Argentina,
He was looking for a Pope to brainwash…
Pope?
Jorge Bergoglio thought someone said DOPE!
Oooh, they’ve got him trafficking in lies. Wait’ll God hears.
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Pope told a fiiib, Pope told a fiib. I’m gonna tell!
Sounds like he’s switching religions anyway
Gaianism?
Well, once you retreat from economic literacy to dogma it is not that hard to do the same with climate science and assorted alternate worlds of reconfigured issues and factors. It’s a slippery slope but more slippery for those predisposed to starting it.
The shear scientific ignorance of this Pope is astounding.
I didn’t hear anything about haircuts… isn’t that “shear” science? Unless you meant “sheer.” Sorry, just having some word fun.
But the Pope has been shorn of the truth…
Doesn’t a hoary tale also imply a hairy tale?
The Lamb of God?
Shorn?
Yep, but it’s the poor of the world who’ll be fleeced.
Boom Boom!
Ignorance or observational skill? He and a lot of others did watch Jerry Brown rake in $6 billion for high speed rail construction in California while singing CAGW scare stories as told to by the White House. It does not take long to learn these methods of behavior for the expected payoff. The line to the White House for more billions gets longer and the more often they sing the tune the better the chance of being moved up the line. Never mind that these billions were produced by the very self interest behaviors of millions of working Americans with rational incentives systems still functioning at this point. In other words capitalism with private property and private investment produces the wealth that they seek in the shadows and in international cocktail parties.
Forbes, Oct.27, 2014
“From 2001-2013, California’s industrial electricity prices were 65% above the U.S. average, and around 700,00 manufacturing jobs were lost-a fleeing of industry is a main reason why California requires less electricity.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/judeclemente/2014/10/27/hey-epa-the california-model-doesnt-work-and-well-need- more-electricity
700,000 jobs lost to save California and Brown at the Vatican touting how environmental regulations helped save California and planet earth from carbon emissions damages?
Emissions down due to lost manufacturing and not to California CO2 regulations.
Something radically wrong with this new pope. He is a shill for the “Agenda 21” crowd.
(Global Warming) Climate Change causes:
Forced migration: Pope-a-Dope somehow didn’t consider the economic conditions where forced migration has occurred, especially Africa and Greece, which can be traced to corrupt politicians.
Human Trafficking: Pope-a-Dope somehow didn’t consider human greed supplying the human depravity as the main reason. Not that many years ago, UN officials in Europe were involved in trafficking (and drugs) and were given only a slap on the wrist cuz of the UN political connections – they should have been hanged.
dang….and all this time I thought it was money
aka, “Devil’s Dung”.
Be careful before you cast unwarranted aspersions. Google “Asafoetida” and you will find a that “devils dung” has popular medicinal and culinary virtues, which in my time I have explored.
You can buy it in Tesco’s for God’s sake (sorry Francis).
Also look up “Durian” – smells like a 3 week corpse, tastes like ambrosia.
A regret the encyclical and these latest comments only have half of these properties.
Is anyone interviewing the migrants and their handlers? There is now a flood of humanity moving from African states north and from the Middle East. This should involve more than color photo essays by National Geographic. Detailed interviews are possible if anyone bothers.
When it gets hot, I get frisky. I’m sorry… I can’t help it.
That seems to be a very normal response according to Pamela Gray.
Finger raised, the man in white in the vanguard of CAGW – makes the Cold War look sane.
“Pull my finger!”
Too bad Ali isn’t boxing any more… he should give this guy the ol’ “Pope-A-Dope.”
just pre-paris hype, that’s all
It still amazes me that the Pope has any power or influence at all. Hopefully someday soon, the entire Roman Catholic debacle will be a bad memory.
the entire Roman Catholic debacle will be a bad memory.
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so long as there is money to be made the Church will be around.
“give us your loot or you will burn in hell.”
you and I tried that, it would be extortion and hard time in prison. for the church it is standard practice.
@ferd, for how long now? Two thousand years?? The history of the RC is absolutely astounding, it makes some dictators look like humanitarians!
Dang it… I should have read all the replies… someone beat me to the “Pope-A-Dope” joke. I lose my gold star for the day.
I will treat _this_ pope’s pronouncements as authoritative as any other Marxist agitator’s.
I’m waiting for the IPCC to put out an epistle discussing Virgin Birth.
is the Pope a virgin? if not, why not?
if a 40 year old virgin is a loser without a clue, what is the Pope?
How is a man a virgin? Sorry, but the word virgin has been misappropriated in the modern age to include men. In my view it is a female condition only. The word “virgin” meant “young girl” meaning she was defined based on being per-menstrual, thus perpetually “clean”. In biblical days, as soon as a female began menstruation, she was no longer a young girl but a woman. The biblical story of the “virgin” birth has been interpreted according to modern word usage, thus we mistakenly are told she had not had sex prior to giving birth and therefore it could not have been a human male who impregnated her. It is however, highly possible that the mother of Jesus was impregnated prior to her first menstruation, thus she was impregnated while still a virgin. She was impregnated while still held to be perpetually “clean”. The “virgin” birth was from a body that had never been made unclean by menstruation.
So stop with the nonsense of male virginity.
He seems determined to make a laughing stock of the Catholic Church. Doing a god job of that so far. Religion and politics never did mix well. And the last time the Church mixed with basic science did not go well either. Cardinal Pell’s view rings true.
No, dammit. The world is flat. And so is the Pope’s head.
Some people already believe he is the false prophet. http://twoheartspress.com/blog/how-to-respond-if-pope-francis-is-the-false-prophet-2/
the third prophecy of Fatima:
“John XXIII fainted when he read the third secret because it specifically states, according to eyewitnesses, that the Pope would betray the flock and turn his sheep over to the slaughter devised by Lucifer himself. John XXIII fainted because he thought he would be the Pope who would open the door to Satan and that he would be the long awaited antipope.”
For every Pope there is an equal and opposite Anti-Pope?
Human trafficking is one activity that IS human caused.
True enough. But, apparently, the Pope has claimed it’s caused by the environment.
“There is just one problem with this claim: where are the climate refugees?”
And where is the climate change?
Will somebody pleeeeeze remind this pope of his Latin and the meaning of “post hoc ergo propter hoc”. You could just as easily model that the global warming is caused by his increasing age as warming being caused by CO2. I have never, ever seen such a fuster cluck of critical thinking errors in my life as this cargo cult religion of global warming. From pheph error to confirmation bias to special pleadings to the criminalization of critics to the “madness of crowds” in all of its glory the CAGW religion stopped being science many years ago. It is causing and will cause massive misallocation of resources. Quite frankly, there will be people who will die because of it.
Pheph is a good pattern recognition system to locate possible hypotheses. After locating them, they must withstand critical examination by forward prediction. Any model with enough knobs can predict the past. A simple foolscap pad with the previous observations does it perfectly. It is how it does in the future that matters. As we have seen the models have produced biased estimates of future temperature when examined against what really happened. As Dr. Feynman as said: “It does not make any difference how beautiful your guess is, it does not make any difference how smart you are, who made the guess, or what his name is – if it disagrees with experiment, it is wrong.” The CAGW hypothesis is wrong. Is the solar hypothesis right? I do not know either, but the test is the next five to 10 years.
In the meantime, the Pope does his followers and everyone else a disservice by attempting to reduce them to a total poverty status in the future because they do not have enough power to meet their most basic needs.
As a statistical note the non-parametric correlation of the Pope’s age and the CO2 content of the atmosphere is very close to 1.0 depending on how fine your time resolution is. Pope, please stop producing all that CO2!
“I have never, ever seen such a fuster cluck of critical thinking errors in my life as this cargo cult religion of global warming. ”
By the gods, that made my day. Thanks.
Quite frankly, there will be people who will die because of it.
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Why would the Church be against death? The dead go to heaven, which according to the Church is a much better place than here.
Why would an all powerful, all loving God permit people to die before their time unless the place they are going to is better than where they are?
How can for example a child of 5 die in agony from cancer? Surely the child did nothing to warrant this cancer or the pain. So how can God be loving or just, unless the child is going to a better place.
And what of the pain and agony of the parents to see their child suffering and then lose the child. Why would a loving and just God inflict this upon them? They are not going to heaven, at least not right away.
Instead they are left to suffer the loss, which can mean years of agony to the parents, to the point where it breaks up marriages and even leads to suicide. And i the case of suicide, no matter how great the suffering that drove them to it, they will never find heaven.
And the church celebrates this as proof of the greatness of God. Given from your heart, lest God take you next.
For the Pope to so misrepresent the sources of the refugee crisis in Africa and the Middle East since the Second World War is almost too astounding to wrap your brain around.
Personally, I love how the Progs and watermelons are fawning over this moron. I’m sure they’ll now be very supportive of those who follow traditional religious values over secular ones. (/sarc)
As for me, I was baptized Catholic to try and please my then-wife. Once I started seeing it’s a power structure just like the government, I quickly distanced myself. Apparently bored with the Word and wanting to stay hip with the kids, they’ve moved deep into politics over the last few decades.
With that in mind, it only makes sense that Statists – both left and right – now appreciate it; I just don’t see why it took them so long. It’s why left-wing developed countries are okay with an official religion: it’s a convenient way to influence those who don’t defer to the secular enticements of the clowns they elect.
Marketing 101
If you have a high value product => sell the value
If you have a low value product, but with some distinct features => sell the features
If you have a sub-standard product across the board => get a celebrity endorsement
The pope is just a type of celebrity, just like Arnie (see earlier thread). The use of celebrity endorsement betrays the weakness of their case to any critical thinker. Unfortunately, celebrity endorsement works, that’s why you see so much use of it in advertising.
CO2’s increase from 280ppm to its current level of 400ppm alone has increased crop yields and forest growth by 25% from the CO2 fertilization effect. If anything, CO2 has been a huge boon to improving the standard of living for those in poverty.
Poverty is fundamentally caused by Statism, which restricts men’s natural rights to: life, liberty and private property and also through the widespread initiation of force by the government against its people or other nations.
If the Pope was seriously interested in eliminating poverty, he’d support free-market capitalism, which is the only social and economic construct capable of achieving long-term sustainable growth and ever increasing standards of living, rather than advocating Statism and condemning the CO2 molecule.
Free market capitalism also has plenty of warts, as there is a race to the bottom to become the low cost producer, driving all others out of business and creating a monopoly, at which time the free market no longer exists.
Not saying the market if bad, rather that there are structural problems due to inefficiencies of scale that make markets unstable. people need to pay the mortgage every month, which means so form of regulation.
The problem comes when the regulation stops serving to smooth the market and instead starts to choke the market. This is the situation in many developed economies, where the standard of living has stagnated as we try and every increasingly regulate the marked without regard for the inefficiencies introduced.
Ferd– Free-market capitalism is actually a race to the top, not a “race to the bottom”…
Only those companies with the top business model, top products, top technology, top profitability, top management, top executives, top ideas, top innovations, at the lowest prices are at the top of their industries…. The companies at the bottom of a business sector soon go bankrupt and their assets are sold off to give another company the chance to compete.
The silly Marxist propaganda that destructive “monopolies” are the end result of free-market capitalism is a cartoonish fallacy. There will certainly be times when extremely innovative companies with outstanding management may achieve a very large market share, but “BIG” doesn’t necessarily mean bad, providing free-market competition is not inhibited by the government.
Free-market capitalism is extreremly efficient, as only the best companies in a given field survive the competition process, providing the stupid government doest muck things up with overregulation, subsidies, bailouts, legislation, licensing, etc., to poorly run companies unable to compete without government intervening in the completion process.
Government over regulation is what has destroyed free-market capitalism.. In particular the idiotic Sherman Antitrust Act, where the second any new company opens its doors, their in violation of it: prices “too high”= price gouging, prices “the same”=collusion, prices “too low”= predatory pricing—complete insanity…
U.S.governmet rules and regulation compliance costs equate to almost $2 TRILLION/yr… That’s what’s killing the economy. Stupid compliance costs alone equals the ENTIRE GDP of India of 1 billion people… Jeez…
The boom/bust economies around the world are primarily the result of Cental banks manipulating interest rates too low and printing money in order to finance $100 TRILLION in worldwide sovereign debt…. This causes a lot misalocations of capital in the market, particularly in high-risk real estate and equity markets…
The irony is that the insane levels of sovereign debt is about to cause a worldwide economic collapse and when the crash comes, capitalism will be be blamed…. Oh, the irony…..
“The boom/bust economies around the world are primarily the result of Cental banks manipulating interest rates too low and printing money ”
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The USA experienced boom and bust cycles prior to the creation of it’s central bank.
Scoff all you want, but we know this is true. Every summer, displeased people with a personal distaste for the climate in tropical zones, sell themselves unwittingly into sexual slavery and bondage. Engaging Coyotes, who then traffick them to the more pleasant climes of Montana.
If we don’t stop Summer, how will we stop prostitution?
“If we don’t stop Summer, how will we stop prostitution?”
What on earth would we try to stop prostitution for? It is a matter of consensual sex, even if one party gets paid some money. (or dinner&show, vacation, new car, promotion, whatever)
Post sarc ergo propter sarc.
What man among us hasn’t spent money on a good looking gal to get her into bed?
According to the Law this makes her a prostitute and you a criminal.
Migration from northern states to AZ and other sunshine states still unabated in the Unite … oh wait, that is refugees moving in the wrong direction. Mods go ahead and delete this post.
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This pope is ample evidence that global warming alarmism (aka climate change) is religious in nature.
This guy must be on the Mother of all sucker lists. First the sky fairy, now this. Your Holiness; would you care to buy a bridge?
With all due respect, this Pope is just plain stupid. He has forgotten that his mission is to strengthen the Church through Jesus Christ. Not by dealing in earthly matters.
It sounds like the Devil has taken charge of the Pope!
It’s really hot and muggy outside. I think I’m gonna go enslave somebody.
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Hopefully someone that doesn’t sweat much…
I fail to make the connection also… and where have the masses been displaced by climate change?
(Of course, there is the annual migration of ‘snowbirds between the northern and southern parts of the US, and you sure meet a lot of brits in Jamaica in January.)
You’d have to drive them somewhere before it’s “trafficking”.
Who cares what this fool in halloween costume has to say science?
..say about*
Can a Pope get dementia?And if the Dalai Lama can say he is a Marxist, then the Pope can too.
Now the Global Warming believers have found their spiritual leader, finally we now can name their temple.
+10
He can merge Catholicism into the new global Church of the Omnipotent Greenhouse in Carbon.
Call the temple “Model Fellowship of Mann”.
What is it with this guy over here? Anybody know this guy? Something doesn’t smell right.
Which guy? There are a lot of posts here.
Which guy? The first guy or the other guy?
Investigate “Liberation Theology” a Marxist type of Catholic theology that became popular in Latin America during the 1970s and 1980s. Charlie this might answer your question.
As a practical matter, “Black Liberation Theology” was the “religion” that Rev. Wright spewed at Obama in the pews for a long time.
But war causes forced migration and everybody knows that “climate change” causes war 😉
This pope is neither demented nor stupid, he is only trying to co-opt the CAGW religion and capture the revenue stream that comes with it. Nothing new for his orgnisation.
+1
The Pope is on very dangerous ground with this pronouncement. Many educated and intelligent Catholics will be thinking he has lost the plot and is way out of his depth and they will not be happy. Disenchantment amongst the faithful is the last thing the Pope needs. Someone ought to tell him to get a second opinion.
The Pope has totally lost his reason for being a Pope. I haven’t heard much from him about how Jesus died for our sins and how we can be redeemed through the Blood of the Lamb. Instead it’s all about global warming and the evils of a free market. Sorry, Pope, but the free market has given us long lives and better health. You are completely our of your field of knowledge. I second the motion; get a second opinion from real scientists who understand what is and what is not happening. If you won’t do that, them please explain the 19 year flatline in temperature. As it is right now you are making a fool of yourself.
“Someone ought to tell him to get a second opinion”. He has a problem there . He is infallible.
His encyclical was not infallible. Nor is his rambling nonsense. A joke is funnier if it is closer to being true. You may try again.
Disenchantment amongst the faithful with deep pockets is the last thing he needs. My parents are as devote Catholics you could ever meet, and they openly ridicule this pope. Not long ago, they would have feared excommunication for such thoughts let alone words.
*devout
@Katherine009. “devoted” would have worked as well. Thankfully my parents who were the same as yours passed away before this charade, they would have been in tears.
Agreed
4 Eyes,
Today in Breitbart
“Popes Popularity Amongst Americans PLUMMETS”
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/22/popes-popularity-plummets-among-americans/
“He was speaking at a conference of mayors and governors, who signed a declaration saying it may be the last chance to tackle human-induced global warming, at the Vatican today.”
The governors and mayors have signed agreements or declarations with a very wealthy foreign power to implement environmental policies domestically.
Rome is a state, the Jesuit Jorges Bergoglio is the leader of that state, and these declarations, connections, and gifts from Rome will have influence on internal affairs of cities and states. This bypasses congress and the president and local voters.
This also is plainly touching on the Jesuit goal “to inform and transform local, regional and national immigration policies.” Remember that when you see the boatloads heading straight for Great Britain and Australia. Britain must receive anyone with a European passport under EU law and cannot set policy or numbers in any way. Last year immigration jumped from an average of 30,000 to 300,000.
Countries which suddenly experience four, five, and ten-fold increase in immigration not only have wage depression and overstressed housing and schools, but the sudden influx is creating extremely vulnerable populations who will be reliant on government services and who do not speak the language. Creating these ghettoized populations is not acting in love towards others. They will end up bent over in fields or in the drug business.
is this legal? —
“The governors and mayors have signed agreements or declarations with a very wealthy foreign power to implement environmental policies domestically”.
Governor Pinocchio Shumlin from my current socialist state of Vermont just signed some other international agreement in Canada and with several Marxist South American countries to join the religious Crusade on Carbon. (guess he would have been in deeper do do if he tried to swing a trip to Rome)
[snip – over the top -mod]
Hush your mouth, you hear!! You aren’t suppose to mention
the priestly molesters. That detracts from his message about
climate change.
I find many comments here to be witty, insightful, funny, and sometimes quite knowledgeable. There are the rare threads that I might make a useful contribution. Many of Eric Worrall’s postings seem like a carnival duck shoot and, as unbelievable as the stories may seem, I can see where the sheer lunacies and attempts to manipulate our lives could provoke especially passionate comments that get snipped for being “over the top”.
Before my molecules merge back with the Cosmos, I hope the perfect storm of story and wit might enable me to write something that gets snipped for being “under the bottom”.
“… snipped for being “under the bottom”. …”
Bubba, if you ever do that I wager it will take a very dry wit to be “under the bottom”.
I’ll drink to that. Bottoms up!
Hic.
I just pondered the question if this was the same climate change that compels bishops and cardinals to traffic in priests.
‘global warming is one of the causes of poverty and forced migration’.
No, high unreliable energy costs are, fact, not supposition!
Had to laugh at the expression of the priest behind the pope in the photo.
What we’re seeing here is an unprecedented increase in the number of climate refugees. From zero, to one
The sculpture in the background
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in full:
I don’t know much about this bronze, except that it was installed in 1906.
General audience with Pope Francis
I am sure the mayors and governors we elected enjoyed the refined taste and impeccable manners of Rome.
Grotesque sculpture. I prefer this one of the mother of the church:
http://stmarysalbany.com/church-art/
That is definitely a lovely sculpture of Mary.
http://stmarysalbany.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/mary_statue_infront_of_church-2.jpg
I have never heard of “Mary of Pentecost” but there is every reason to believe she was there on that day with all the others, as she was from Galilee.
“Look, are not all these who speak Galileans?
The verse goes on to say that everyone heard the message in his own language:
“8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.”
Parthians were possibly Scythians. Medes and Elamites were in the area of Iran; Cappadocia and Pontus and Phrygia were ancient Anatolian people, or modern day Turkey, long before the Arab invasion.
Here’s a translation by Wulfila in the fourth century into the Gothic language:
Now that is beautiful Goth silver and gold ink on purple vellum! Contraband, too.
Ok in theory Catholics believe in the afterlife, correct? Why would a marxist catholic want to change nature or natural law? That is what Marxism is right? They think nature is cruel and broken or just that man is cruel and broken but isn’t man part of nature? If earthly life is not heaven then why would feel the need to manipulate it to arrange it to be so and so? Isn’t that an atheist rabbit hole? I’m glad I don’t take life too seriously but that’s my own religion
Hey Charlie. I think you got most of all that wrong, but who cares… really.
I don’t enjoy speaking against any Pope. However, here he had an opportunity to laud the historical achievements of science and speak to how it has improved the lot of humanity, while at the same time giving guidance on care of our common home without embracing the illegitimate “science” of the UN. I am extremely disappointed.
He is listening to most scientists, politicians, and activists. So? I am just sad.
Excellent post.
I don’t think Jesus would approve this Catholic Church.
I agree. The Pope and his Church have completely lost their purpose.
They are wandering in a swamp of confusion. The Catholic Church will slide downhill
thanks to this Pope. That will put a lot of priestly pedophiles out of a job.
Good. Let the Catholic Church once again allow priests to marry and let women take on the priesthood. Much healthier.
WWJD was phased out with Jim and Tammy Baker.
I don’t think Jesus would have approved of any Catholic Church.
Pope Francis was a Jesuit Cardinal in the Roman Catholic Church before he became a pope so it’s no surprise he is a leftist and believes in global warming, climate change, etc. The Jesuits turned left in the early 1900s in response to the rise of Marxist doctrine and Communism, and gave birth to Liberation Theology, a Marxist belief. The Jesuits went as far as to support the Sandistas in their war of liberation against the ruthless dictatorship of the Somosas in Nicaragua, to the displeasure of the Vatican in the 1970s. This interference of the Catholic Church in climate science is not good thing for the world as it could make it difficult for skeptics to defeat the anti science warmers. We’re back to the era of the Church which persecuted Galileo!
Richard,
Ouch! Yes. Except, Galileo’s ideas were not universally accepted as is Global Warming, and Galileo was not persecuted as believed in pop culture.
Following the logic of Pope’s advisor Cardinal Oscar Rodríguez Maradiaga of Honduras, slave traders are victims of capitalism.
Human trafficking is not the same as environmentally induced migration or economically driven migration. Human trafficking smacks of exploitation in my opinion. A willful act by a person to change their residency is quite different than a person captive buy another malicious person and then sold as a commodity to the highest bidder.
270 years ago my ancestors abandoned Germany largely due to warfare and poor crop yields. Coincidentally they abandoned their ancestral home right in the middle of the Maunder Minimum. My ancestors migrated to North America through an act of will determination and hope.
Victims of human trafficking have little to say about what happens to their bodies when they are held captive by their handlers . The people who traffic human beings do not do so because of global warming they do so because of the incentive of money.
This whole weird conflagration of economics politics pseudoscience on display now hosted by the Vatican is going to give birth to a new monster with many heads one of which is human trafficking.
I’m sure through reasoning like that of which is found in the butterfly effect people will conclude that any of the ills which we suffer can be connected to the myth of global warming. Al Sharpton has also jumped on the bandwagon claiming that climate change has caused black people to suffer disproportionately, that is black people in the USA, not in sub-saharan Africa.
The Vatican will be getting all kinds of advice from every extreme corner of the anthropogenic global warming activist catalog of misery. None of this is actually new it is in fact the same old song that we’ve been hearing for 20 years. Anthony has done a very good job publishing many of the extreme claims that we’ve had to listen to.
I think it is absolutely despicable that the crime of kidnapping and transportation of people, then the selling of those people into a form of slavery is associated to the myth of human caused global warming.
This is the cheapest form of demagoguery.
Who are you and what have you done with Paul Westhaver?
I planted a small seedling next to his bed. He is far more cooperative now, but his smart phone spelling is fat finger terrible.
Good grief, what next?
Has the pope joined ISIS?
http://www.danbymp.com/content/photos5/sharrouf.jpg
Wrong hand. You know, like the man’s earring thing.
Next it’s going to cause tooth decay.
Well, sort of…
Some of the migrating folks are bound to have forgotten their toothbrush.
It has been predicted that this would be the final pope. I wonder if rather than the reason being Armageddon he may just be so willfully foolish that the Church collapses in embarrassment?
Or perhaps that’s due to an upcoming title change, renaming the position as CFO and Director of Operations of the Church of Omnipotent Greenhouse in Carbon.
(CFODoO-CoOGiC)
OT, but I only discovered today that the silly hat popes and cardinals wear is called a “zucchetto.”
I’m told it’s actually vegetable based – a cross between a courgette and a zucchino.
BREAKING NEWS : new source of global warming found: “all along we thought it was CO2. Turns out, its not but its definitely anthropogenic, and proportional to our population. its the Stupid, it burns.”
There has been human trafficing for as long as we have written records, well over 5000 years.
Global warming has only been happening for the last 100 years.
What caused human trafficking for the other 4900 years?
Since he’s linked himself to CAGW (or whatever he may call it), might “the pause” be “the Fall of the Roman Empire”?
I suspect that somebody mistranslated “migration” into “trafficking.”
I think I see a link between CO2 and human trafficking.
http://img.pcauto.com.cn/images/upload/upc/tx/auto5/1505/07/c2/6452986_1430964482699.jpg
http://www.entonnoir.org/c4/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2013/07/p42embout1.jpg
@max, did anyone get there on time?
This is what you get from government funded high density forced housing in cities built for manufacturing.
Let’s change the subject, nobody really listens to the Pope anymore.
Al Gore might be the only one polling lower, when asked ” who most influences your thoughts/life”.
Maybe.
” nobody really listens to the Pope anymore”
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Except for the fact that about 1.2 billion inhabitants on the Earth think of the Pope as their spiritual leader.
Not when it comes to survival: food, shelter and security ?
I have not been so embarrassed to be a Catholic in my entire life.
Greed and povery cause human trafficing. This pope is broken can we have another?
“…When he speaks the world listens,
On his proclamations they reflect,
Now being used by politicians
Makes this church more suspect.
Serving God or the UN?
Seems like he’s made his choice,
Denying the poor cheaper energy,
I’m sure they’ll rejoice.”
http://rhymeafterrhyme.net/a-communist-pope-but-are-the-poor-rejoicing/
Given this pope’s apparent Malthusian leanings, I think that it is time that we proclaim him MisanthroPope the First.
Good one!
New study: Climate change causes religious confusion. The Aggressive Advocacy Dark Ages are upon us.
It seems to me that the trans Atlantic slave trade occurred entirely within what we now call the little ice age. Not good evidence for the “warming leads to human trafficking” idea.
it may be the last chance to tackle human-induced global warming, at the Vatican today.
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The same message we heard in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, …
Whatever happened to 3 strikes you are out?
Imagine governments worked this way. Vote on a question, and if it gets defeated, call for another vote on the same question. Each time there is a vote, if it gets defeated, call for another vote. Until finally people give up and vote in favor just to end the voting.
Sad part is, that is pretty much how governments work. We keep voting until the civil service gets the answer it wants. Then the voting ends.
Is there a prediction yet on when the holy water is expected to boil, to go with the boiling seas prediction of Hansen?
Nigh about tea-time
@asybot “One of the main reasons I left the Catholic Church is the fact that from the pope on down they seem to think they are “infallible” . Perhaps in the past, though never was such a claim doctrinal. The present Pope exudes humility. I don’t think you can charge him with arrogance.
Obscene obsession in a world were tribalism and sin causes all the poverty, violence and suffering there is to bemoan 🙁
Are there any peer-reviewed scientific papers that link human trafficking with climate change? If not, does the Pope expect the UN conference to follow the science or just make it up as they go?
When the human trafficking on the Southern border of the U.S. migrates to the Northern border, let me know. That might indicate that global warming plays a roll. Or it might indicate that Canadians have become so wealthy that they can afford to import slave labor from the poverty-stricken South to perform all their menial tasks.
Who needs peer review when it is divine insight flowing through the Pope to the masses?