Google goes off the climate change deep end

google-logoChairman Eric Schmidt should heed his own advice – and base energy policies on facts

Guest essay by Paul Driessen and Chris Skates

In a recent interview with National Public Radio host Diane Rehm, Google Chairman Eric Schmidt said his company “has a very strong view that we should make decisions in politics based on facts. And the facts of climate change are not in question anymore. Everyone understands climate change is occurring, and the people who oppose it are really hurting our children and our grandchildren and making the world a much worse place. We should not be aligned with such people. They’re just literally lying.”

While he didn’t vilify us by name, Mr. Schmidt was certainly targeting us, the climate scientists who collect and summarize thousands of articles for the NIPCC’s Climate Change Reconsidered reports, the hundreds who participate in Heartland Institute climate conferences, and the 31,487 US scientists who have signed the Oregon Petition, attesting that there is no convincing scientific evidence that humans are causing catastrophic warming or climate disruption.

All of us are firm skeptics of claims that humans are causing catastrophic global warming and climate change. We are not climate change “deniers.” We know Earth’s climate and weather are constantly in flux, undergoing recurrent fluctuations that range from flood and drought cycles to periods of low or intense hurricane and tornado activity, to the Medieval Warm Period (950-1250 AD) and Little Ice Age (1350-1850) – and even to Pleistocene glaciers that repeatedly buried continents under a mile of ice.

What we deny is the notion that humans can prevent these fluctuations, by ending fossil fuel use and emissions of plant-fertilizing carbon dioxide, which plays only an insignificant role in climate change.

The real deniers are people who think our climate was and should remain static and unchanging, such as 1900-1970, supposedly – during which time Earth actually warmed and then cooled, endured the Dust Bowl, and experienced periods of devastating hurricanes and tornadoes.

The real deniers refuse to recognize that natural forces dictate weather and climate events. They deny that computer model predictions are completely at odds with real world events, that there has been no warming since 1995, and that several recent winters have been among the coldest in centuries in the United Kingdom and continental Europe, despite steadily rising CO2 levels. They refuse to acknowledge that, as of December 25, it’s been 3,347 days since a Category 3-5 hurricane hit the US mainland; this is by far the longest such stretch since record-keeping began in 1900, if not since the American Civil War.

Worst of all, they deny that their “solutions” hurt our children and grandchildren, by driving up energy prices, threatening electricity reliability, thwarting job creation, and limiting economic growth in poor nations to what can be sustained via expensive wind, solar, biofuel and geothermal energy. Google’s corporate motto is “Don’t be evil.” From our perspective, perpetuating poverty, misery, disease and premature death in poor African and Asian countries – in the name or preventing climate change – is evil.

It is truly disturbing that Mr. Schmidt could make a statement so thoroughly flawed in its basic premise. He runs a multi-billion dollar company that uses vast quantities of electricity to disseminate information throughout the world. Perhaps he should speak out on issues he actually understands. Perhaps he would be willing to debate us or Roy Spencer, David Legates, Pat Michaels and other climate experts.

Setting aside the irrational loyalty of alarmists like Schmidt to a failed “dangerous manmade climate change” hypothesis, equally disturbing is the money wasted because of it. Consider an article written for the Institute of Electric and Electronic Engineers’ summit website by Google engineers Ross Koningstein and David Fork, who worked on Google’s “RE<C” renewable energy initiative.

Beginning in 2007, they say, “Google committed significant resources to tackle the world’s climate and energy problems. A few of these efforts proved very successful: Google deployed some of the most energy efficient data centers in the world, purchased large amounts of renewable energy, and offset what remained of its carbon footprint.”

It’s wonderful that Google improved the energy efficiency of its power-hungry data centers. But the project spent countless dollars and man hours. To what other actual benefits? To address precisely what climate and energy problems? And how exactly did Google offset its carbon footprint? By buying “carbon credits” from outfits like the New Forests Company, which drove impoverished Ugandan villagers out of their homes, set fire to their houses and burned a young boy to death?

What if, as skeptics like us posit and actual evidence reflects, man-made climate change is not in fact occurring? That would mean there is no threat to humans or our planet, and lowering Google’s CO2 footprint would bring no benefits. In fact, it would keep poor nations poverty stricken and deprived of modern technologies – and thus unable to adapt to climate change. Imagine what Google could have accomplished if its resources had been channeled to solving actual problems with actual solutions!

In 2011, the company decided its RE<C project would not meet its goals. Google shut it down. In their article, Koningstein and Fork admit that the real result of all of their costly research was to reach the following conclusion: “green energy is simply not economically, viable and resources that we as a society waste in trying to make it so would be better used to improve the efficiencies in established energy technologies like coal.”

Skeptics like us reached that conclusion long ago. It is the primary reason for our impassioned pleas that that the United States and other developed nations stop making energy policy decisions based on the flawed climate change hypothesis. However, the article’s most breathtaking statement was this:

“Climate scientists have definitively shown that the buildup of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere poses a looming danger…. A 2008 paper by James Hansen, former director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies… showed the true gravity of the situation. In it, Hansen set out to determine what level of atmospheric CO2 society should aim for ‘if humanity wishes to preserve a planet similar to that on which civilization developed and to which life on Earth is adapted.’ His climate models showed that exceeding 350 parts per million CO2 in the atmosphere would likely have catastrophic effects. We’ve already blown past that limit. Right now, environmental monitoring shows concentrations around 400 ppm.…”

We would never presume to question the sincerity, intellect, dedication or talent of these two authors. However, this statement presents a stunning failure in applying Aristotelian logic. Even a quick reading would make the following logical conclusions instantly obvious:

1. Hansen theorized that 350 ppm of atmospheric CO2 would have catastrophic results.

2. CO2 did indeed reach this level, and then exceeded it by a significant amount.

3. There were no consequences, much less catastrophic results, as our earlier points make clear.

4. Therefore, real-world evidence clearly demonstrates that Hansen’s hypothesis is wrong.

This kind of reasoning (the scientific method) has served progress and civilization well since the Seventeenth Century. But the Google team has failed to apply it; instead it repeats the “slash fossil fuel use or Earth and humanity are doomed” tautology, without regard for logic or facts – while questioning CAGW skeptics intelligence, character and ethics. Such an approach would be disastrous in business.

We enthusiastically support Eric Schmidt’s admonition that our nation base its policy decisions on facts, even when those facts do not support an apocalyptic environmental worldview. We also support President Obama’s advice that people should not “engage in self-censorship,” because of bullying or “because they don’t want to offend the sensibilities of someone whose sensibilities probably need to be offended.”

In fact, we will keep speaking out, regardless of what Messsrs. Schmidt, Hansen and Obama might say.

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Paul Driessen is senior policy analyst for the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (www.CFACT.org), author of Eco-Imperialism: Green power – Black death and coauthor of Cracking Big Green: To save the world from the save-the-earth money machine. Chris Skates is an environmental chemist and author of Going Green: For some it has nothing to do with the environment.

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John F. Hultquist
December 27, 2014 12:23 am

That well known “climate scientist” Al Gore is listed as a senior adviser to Google. I’ll guess he doesn’t consider that a reason to talk about old people. He does not have a degree in anything close to science or climate. He, and friends, are getting a bit past middle age, though. In fact the senior members of the club of “climate science” do not have degrees called that. That is not a long established degree program. They became “climate scientists” by working on related things and then calling it climate science. One can still do that, so what is the big deal?
Folks such as Eric Schmidt, Tom Steyer, Barack Obama, Jay Inslee, and fellow travelers are not scientists. They have political agendas. This is not about the scientific qualifications of people – it is more like a cult. There are different reasons people join this cult but understanding the dynamic Earth is not one of them.

AndyG55
December 27, 2014 12:56 am

Chris, thank you for debunking Mann’s hockey stick.
You see, Mann knew very little about dendrochronology or statistics and was certainly not in any way trained in either.
But the hockey stick paper was based entirely on those two branches.
Under your reasoning, that the Global Warming Petition Project was only a small number of Climatologists, then Mann’s work can be totally discounted… as it has been by real dendrochronologists and statisticians
Also, there are actually very few of your priests that are climatologists either..
…so the whole AGW meme can also be discounted.
Seriously though, only a childish brain-washed fool would think that fields such as ……..
1. Atmosphere (total 579)
I) Atmospheric Science (112)
II) Climatology (39)
III) Meteorology (343)
IV) Astronomy (59)
V) Astrophysics (26)
2. Earth (total 2,240)
I) Earth Science (94)
II) Geochemistry (63)
III) Geology (1,684)
IV) Geophysics (341)
V) Geoscience (36)
VI) Hydrology (22)
3. Environment (total 986)
I) Environmental Engineering (487)
II) Environmental Science (253)
III) Forestry (163)
IV) Oceanography (83)
etc etc etc
add to that General Engineering 10,000+
(see here: http://www.petitionproject.org/qualifications_of_signers.php )
would not have a very good idea of the way SCIENCE and the Earth functions …
but then.. you is you, a brain-washed propagandist. !
Sorry, but the Global Warming Petition Project represents far more REAL scientists than the IPCC or any part of the climate change agenda.
Most of the climate change mouth pieces seem to be sociologist , or journalists or some other branch of NON-science.

Danny Thomas
Reply to  AndyG55
December 27, 2014 1:23 pm

But Andy, Db says the info. is inaccurate or unusable. As it matches quite well with the wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Petition) and since all wiki’s are invalid as proven by the link Db offered to a WUWT post that Connolly is biased therefore all wiki’s are biased so the information contained in a wiki must be considered invalid. Too bad, since the info. from the OP site matches your offering. But unfortunately the Db methodology must be followed so you’ll have to try again. Sorry.
The Oregon Petition Project clarified their verification process as follows:
The petitioners could submit responses only by physical mail, not electronic mail, to limit fraud. Older signatures submitted via the web were not removed. The verification of the scientists was listed at 95%,[14] but the means by which this verification was done was not specified.
Signatories to the petition were requested to list an academic degree.[15] The petition sponsors stated that approximately two thirds held higher degrees.[14] As of 2013, the petition’s website states, “The current list of 31,487 petition signers includes 9,029 PhD; 7,157 MS; 2,586 MD and DVM; and 12,715 BS or equivalent academic degrees. Most of the MD and DVM signers also have underlying degrees in basic science.”[16]
Petitioners were also requested to list their academic discipline. As of 2007, about 2,400 people in addition to the original 17,100 signatories were “trained in fields other than science or whose field of specialization was not specified on their returned petition.”[14] The petition sponsors state the following numbers of individuals from each discipline:[16]
Atmospheric, Environmental and Earth sciences: 3,805 (Climatology: 39)
Computer and Mathematical sciences: 935
Physics & Aerospace sciences: 5,812
Biochemistry, Biology, and Agriculture: 2,965
Medicine: 3,046
Engineering and General Science: 10,102
Db will offer to hold your hand should you desire.

Global cooling
December 27, 2014 1:12 am

Why did Eric say it now? Might be that Google needs political support in its businesses. Self-driving cars are a dead end without changes in regulations. Governments might attact Google with anti-trust cases. Remember what happened to Microsoft.
Situation with oil is interesting. Shale oil looked promising but can it survive the price war with
Russians and OPEC. USA is not fast enough in nuclear either. The 2nd cold war with Russia should not take too long.

Grey Lensman
Reply to  Global cooling
December 27, 2014 3:10 am

Its already over, Russia won thats why its gone silent

Aidan
Reply to  Global cooling
December 27, 2014 10:42 am

Global cooling December 27, 2014 at 1:12 am Self-driving cars are a dead end without changes in regulations.
As several airline crashes have been shown to be caused by increased automation which t
he crew either did not know when to turn off or could not turn it off at all, it’s going to be a long long time before self-drive cars will be allowed out to play I think. Humans many be bad but there is nothing so deadly as malfunctioning automation, especially when you have had no training to know what is broken and how to disable it and drive yourself.

ferdberple
Reply to  Global cooling
December 27, 2014 10:47 am

Why did Eric say it now?
=========
Could it be $539 million in taxpayer money? Obama wants his legacy, Google wants the cash.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/08/world-largest-solar-plant-applying-for-federal-grant-to-pay-off-its-federal/

Amber
December 27, 2014 1:22 am

Now I get it Google shares tanked because of global warming .

rogerknights
December 27, 2014 1:26 am

Don’t think to punish Google by using another search service. Your Google searching costs them money. To punish them, just don’t click on their ads.

December 27, 2014 2:27 am

It is truly disturbing that Mr. Schmidt could make a statement so thoroughly flawed in its basic premise. He runs a multi-billion dollar company that uses vast quantities of electricity to disseminate information throughout the world. Perhaps he should speak out on issues he actually understands.

Well, being head of Google would mean that what he really understands is spying on people and working with the CIA and NSA. If he could do so, I bet he would spy on the private life of Mother Nature herself.

December 27, 2014 2:32 am

I don’t think the reputation of this site is enhanced by running adverstisments for snake oil salesmen who claim that drinking water with slice of lemon helps purify the liver.

Alan Robertson
December 27, 2014 3:04 am

Gareth Philips,
If you knew anything at all about WordPress, which hosts this site, you would know that WUWT has no control over the ads placed here. This matter has been discussed in these pages, before. In your zeal to sully this site, you have once again demonstrated your willingness to sling arrows drawn from your quiver of ignorance.

danallosso
Reply to  Alan Robertson
December 27, 2014 3:26 am

WUWT DOES, however, have a choice whether to run ads at all or not. Building traffic to high levels by encouraging debate is a proven strategy, if your goal is to monetize a site and earn $ on ads.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  danallosso
December 27, 2014 9:50 am

Dana,
What are your preferred “climate discussion” sites are and how are they are funded?

Reply to  danallosso
December 27, 2014 10:31 am

danallosso,
Let me guess: you never make a peep of complaint about blogs like SkS.
Hypocrite.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Alan Robertson
December 27, 2014 4:00 am

I guess dolts like Gareth have never heard of AdBlock.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
December 27, 2014 7:42 am

Thank you Alan and Bruce for your civil and insightful responses in keeping with the season of goodwill. Regardless of where the advertisement originated, it’s qualities remain the same. However I acknowledge that I did not have the technical know how to realise the advertisements were beyond Anthony’s control and placed there by a third party. In some ways, that makes it even more sad. Even sadder than people incapable of discussion without immediately resorting to ad hominem tactics. Nadolig Llawen to you both.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
December 27, 2014 10:34 am

Gareth,
One downside of commenting is that politeness suffers. I think others were just reacting to perceived criticism of this site. FYI, I didn’t take it that way when I read your original comment. [Not that I am innocent of reacting in similar ways on occasion.]

Alan Robertson
Reply to  Alan Robertson
December 27, 2014 8:39 am

Gareth,
Your response is as disingenuous as your initial post. You have never evinced any concern for “the reputation of this site”, other than to try to disparage what is said here. In your response, you up the ante and make even more disparaging comments about WUWT, continuing your attack. You then pretend that the response to your long history of trolling behavior and attacks against WUWT are unwarranted, or in some way, hurtful to meaningful dialogue, or to you, personally.
Your subtle attacks are all too familiar to the readership and your pretense of innocence is not only obvious, but ludicrous.
Harry Truman said it best: “If you don’t like the heat, stay out of the kitchen”.

johann wundersamer
December 27, 2014 3:19 am

mod, I’m aware of conflicts.
Nevertheless: I’ll say ‘As Is’.
and there ARE conflicts.
Hans

Penncyl Puccer
December 27, 2014 3:54 am

Here you see fascism in action. While the state does not own the industrial enterprise, it does direct it, whether by fiat or by the willing cooperation of the chairman of the company. The industrial enterprise cooperates explicitly with the state in achieving the state’s political objectives irrespective of the cost to shareholders.
Propaganda by any other name is still propaganda. If this is the official opinion of Google, then I recommend switching search engines, as they no doubt skew their results to match the company’s political ideology.
Also, ditch your Android devices.

Reply to  Penncyl Puccer
December 27, 2014 4:44 am

“Here you see fascism in action.”
Agreed. Fascism also goes by the name “corporatism” (Mussolini’s term) and by the name “crony-capitalism”. The problem with “fascism” is that it has so much baggage from WWII.
In any case, American corporations know that incentives, rules, legislation, and so forth can be a “good thing” or a very, very bad thing depending on if they keep their masters happy or not.

Penncyl Puccer
Reply to  markstoval
December 27, 2014 4:57 am

That’s why I chose the term — precisely because of the baggage. We should not put a happy-face on this type of tyranny by giving it some anodyne moniker.
It’s human nature that people will seek power and wealth, and the more ruthless tend to try to push their way to the apex. That’s fine, but let’s not make the apex our government. I’d rather be seen as a source of revenue by someone who can’t throw me in jail or legally execute me than by someone who can. Government should be limited in scope and extent by any means necessary because of the natural tendency to form symbiotic relationships with industry — relationships that are all about furthering the wealth and power of those with their hands on the controls, and that have little to do with the well-being of those of us who toil daily to pay for it.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  Penncyl Puccer
December 27, 2014 7:04 am

Penncyl P.,
Pardon my ignorance, but why did you say to ditch Android devices?

Penncyl Puccer
Reply to  Alan Robertson
December 27, 2014 8:01 am

Alan,
Most commercial Android devices are thinly-disguised vehicles for Google’s pervasive spyware.
Remember this: you are not their customer, you are their product. They think they *own* you.

Reply to  Penncyl Puccer
December 27, 2014 9:16 am

They certainly do skew results.
For those of us that were here for Climategate…it rose very rapidly in “hits” for the first 48hrs or so…and then suddenly nothing. Like the counters got reset.
I lean more towards duckduckgo.com for a search engine.
However, Schmidt could really care less if you use his search engine or not. He is also more than capable of understanding the science of alarmism, or the lack thereof.
What he DOES understand is that supporting it appeals to his customers in terms of image, and it strengthens his relationship with POTUS.

Lonie
December 27, 2014 3:57 am

Perhaps Erick is a Mining Engineer , mining for government dollars .

johann wundersamer
December 27, 2014 4:07 am

and I really appreciate WUWT’s strength on clearing fogs.
______
So what tells us Googles press release.
______
Thanks Antony Watts, the sentinel.
Thanks all real interested contributers!
Regards – Hans

December 27, 2014 4:09 am

About those groups NASA says back the ‘consensus’…….. http://earthshattered2.blogspot.ca/2014/12/about-those-scientific-organizations.html

Bruce Cobb
December 27, 2014 4:29 am

Eric Schmidt and his paid attack-dog trolls like chris are of course the liars. The Big Money is on the side of Alarmists, so the psychological projection runs rampant. Additionally, and as usual, they use their tried-and-true logical fallacy-laden tactics of ad hominem, smear, and their two favorites; the Appeal to Authority and the Appeal to Consensus.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
December 27, 2014 3:47 pm

Wait, I can get PAID for expressing my opinions on a blog? Why didn’t anyone tell me this? The liberal conspiracy has been holding out on me.

johann wundersamer
December 27, 2014 4:35 am

Alan Robertson,
I didnt ask for advertisments.
Hans

Alan Robertson
Reply to  johann wundersamer
December 27, 2014 7:11 am

Hans,
The link I gave you goes to the transcript of the remarks made by Eric Schmidt during his conversation with Diane Rehm, which is the topic of this thread- not to an advertisement.
I thought that when you asked “What tells us Google press release?”- that you wanted to know the source of Mr. Schmidt’s remarks.
We have a bit of language barrier, n’est ce pas?
Please pardon my misunderstanding.

mkelly
December 27, 2014 4:45 am

This is the money line that Chris has kept folks from thinking about: ” From our perspective, perpetuating poverty, misery, disease and premature death in poor African and Asian countries – in the name or preventing climate change – is evil.”
Google and folks that want to drive up the cost of energy, harm innocents and keep the impoverished is just that.
Can Chris find fault with the quoted sentence? Does he support keeping the poor poor?

richard verney
Reply to  mkelly
December 27, 2014 5:26 am

+1

December 27, 2014 4:47 am

I’m a firm believer in Climate Change, and can’t be called a denier. The blogosphere includes numerous comments I’ve written, and they tend to be very supportive of Climate Change. Today the temperature at lunch was 16 degrees C, and this is close to the optimum. What I need is for everybody to work hard to allow the temperature to increase a little bit more, and then you can keep it steady. I also wish for rain to fall only at night, an end to football player injuries, and some sort of indoor dog toilet.

John
December 27, 2014 4:58 am
December 27, 2014 5:45 am

Chris – I don’t often scroll through, but have found your posts of great interest. Firstly, acknowledgement for WUWT for not censoring the debate. Secondly, to yourself for remaining persistent and factual. I hope you are still there! I am an ecologist – fully qualified in environmental sciences, with over thirty years experience of advisory work at many levels -from NGOs to government, the EU and the UN. My work has been to analyse the science upon which policy or policy proposals are based. I have reviewed many a computer model that attempts to predict consequences of pollutants. I have helped draft UN legislation, and one of my long-term colleagues (Prof Jackson Davis, Environmental Studies Institute, Boulder, Co) helped to draft the Kyoto Protocol.
As a consultant I have to know about climate science – but apart from a review for a British government agency in 1996, in which I advised that regional models and projections were very simplistic and unreliable, I accepted what I thought was the ‘basic science’ – as did all of my colleagues. But after reviewing government energy policy in 2001 – following the report of the UK Royal Commission on Climate Change, and taking a look at the environmental impact of the renewable strategies there proposed (the UK government funded my group to look at integration strategies) – in my view, there would be quite devastating impacts on rural life, landscape, community and biodiversity, I then spent three years at my own expense reviewing all the major fields of climate science – meteorology, atmospheric physics, oceanography, paleo-climates, glaciers and ice-caps, solar-terrestrial physics….and of course, computer models.
I wrote a long report which I circulated to my former colleagues and ‘allies’ in the environmental movement – basically concluding that the majority of the warming was clearly natural in origin. And that there was in fact no clear consensus in the scientific working groups of the IPCC – this was a myth propounded by the secretariat that delivered the ‘summary for policy makers’. Not one of my former allies (in the ‘green’ movement) would enter debate. Only after a small publishing house turned my report into a book – which got some coverage in the UK, did the ‘greens’ respond – with vilification. Not a single request from them to discuss the implications of the critical review. Instead, I was invited by politicians and bankers – all very convivial, but not my natural allies.
I am afraid you may suffer from the same block. As a non-scientist you cannot believe that all of the worlds science academies could be so wrong, and you have an abiding faith in the UN – as well as perhaps governments. I have real life experience of just how wrong science can go – like when the same type of false consensus was constructed over the effects (non-effects) of low level radiation. Only one scientists stood against that consensus – at first – Dr Alice Stewart of Birmingham University’s epidemiology department. Only she bothered to collate data on women x-rayed during pregnancy. She was villified. It took her more than 10 years to get her work accepted – in fact, an American epidemiologist, chair of the US BEIR committee, EP Radford, took up her cause after working on Swedish miners exposed to radon. She died at 95, without honours. One of her main scientific opponents was knighted by the Queen of England (I think she is the only one doing that stuff these days!).
So – you see, whatever the truth about Heartland Institute funding, or the Oregon petition, there are other much more apposite examples – and I have laid them out in my book ‘Chill’ which no ‘green’ will read, let alone review. And by the way, because I am clearly one of the hated environmentalists (I helped develop the Precautionary Principle) – WUWT has never publicised the fact that there exists a critique of alarmism by someone within the green movement. Do read it, if you want a detailed expose of the science – and write to me if you want a follow up (it was published in 2009, and is readily available used for a few dollars on Amazon!). Since then there have been many more papers published and I can readily substantiate a 75% value for the natural component of warming. Thus halving emissions deals with 12.5% of the driving force – and will not affect what the climate does. Science still has little idea of precisely what drives the natural cycles – but many studies point toward imminent cooling. The issue should be settled over the next five year period. If the alarmists are right, the global average should stay pretty much the same as CO2 counters the natural cooling cycle, and if the sceptics are right, the temperature will fall and a cooling trend since 2001 will become evident. There is then a real danger that the next solar cycle will mirror the Maunder Minimum with incalculable consequences for northern Europe, the US, China, Russia and Japan. That is why I have argued for a switch from ineffective mitigation to adaptation and resilience.

Keitho
Editor
Reply to  Peter Taylor
December 27, 2014 6:50 am

Interesting comment. Thanks for posting it here.

Keitho
Editor
Reply to  Keitho
December 27, 2014 7:16 am

I have been to the Amazon page for “Chill” and the reviews are excellent. I am going to buy a copy, thanks once more.

Jaakko Kateenkorva
Reply to  Peter Taylor
December 27, 2014 11:11 am

Thank you Peter for your insight. Perhaps people like you and Patrick Moore will be able to salvage nature conservation at the end.

December 27, 2014 5:49 am

For your further information, and another reason to stop supporting Google in any way, the company is a major contributor to anti-hydraulic fracturing activist groups (fractivitists). So they are working both sides of the street on this one: trying to use their huge audience to propel their mis-informed message about the alleged eco-damage caused by fossil fuels, and providing money to stop any further development of fossil fuels.

Reply to  Tom G(ologist)
December 27, 2014 6:52 am

What does a fractivist do?

johann wundersamer
December 27, 2014 5:51 am

Snow in Bürmoos.
Ice in Thalgau. Niefelhaim.
42 km to go to work. Each direction.
so whats your problems.
ascending ice ages.

Dennis
December 27, 2014 6:03 am

Ever wonder why Google won’t release actual metering stats on its data centers? Part of my former job modeling distribution/transmission networks included dialing into SEL-735 devices that metered one of their facilities. They used more energy than southern cities/towns of 50k people. Eric Schmidt loves using the slight of hand for distraction, hoping we don’t realize the massive energy hogs Google is building and leasing.
I wish an interviewer (Charlie Rose? nah…) would ask him some tough questions: why data centers in the south, where ambient temperatures require far more energy use for AC? Why not build in Montana or Minnesota, next to the actual wind farms that you purchase credits from? Why buy renewable energy from wind farms that are not even on the same AC grid as the data centers you claim to be offsetting? Why won’t you be upfront with the number of facilities the company owns/rents and how about releasing some measured metering data? [Oh yea, Schmidt is secretive about it due to ‘competitive advantage’? Who is literally lying now, Schmidt?]
Don’t buy into the data center industry’s ruse either, using misleading stats like aggregate critical load (Dupont Fabros), IT load factor (Digital Realty), Google’s favorite Power Usage Effectiveness ratio, and Apple had some new, unique BS one for its North Carolina facility. Just give the public metered data at the point of utility interconnection for the month of August. Provide the amount of fuel your backup generators burned thru in their monthly redundancy tests while you’re at it. Eric won’t because he loves this schtick he’s selling. Data centers are a PR nightmare and they are crucial to “green tech”.

John
December 27, 2014 6:14 am

And now you know why Google is no longer my default search engine.

December 27, 2014 6:29 am

I think that the most efficient data center I’ve been in was at Syracuse Univ.
It was co-sponsored by IBM and a state agency.
They installed micro turbines fed by nat gas to power the data center (as well as a huge number of dorm buildings. Rather than cool the whole data center, they used radiator doors on all of the equipment cabs, so cooling was all local to the air in the rack, rather than cooling probably 100X more airspace to cool the entire datacenter.
But even with all that…you’ll note that OTHER businesses aren’t doing that. Why? Because it’s not a huge PR win for some tech company and the state.
In other words, it doesn’t make economic sense.
As for northern data centers, I’ve never understood why temps weren’t managed at least PART time, during the winter, by just blowing cold air through filters to drop the temps, instead of running huge chillers/AC units that are incredibly inefficient anyway. I worked in a lot of Digital Equipment’s datacenters throughout the northeast during the 80’s…and never understood why they didn’t just use outside air.

Dennis
Reply to  jimmaine
December 27, 2014 6:53 am

I’m not a mechanical engineer, but cooling these facilities seems like an interesting problem. I toured one before the downturn in 2007 and the difference between a cool aisle and a hot one was insane. It has been estimated that their North Carolina center has 417,600 servers alone (it was not the one I had firsthand data for). I could estimate its load by the lines feeding it (knowing there is a redundant source), but this appears to be an underground feeder(s). I just wish an ex employee would release their metering data/bill, akin to what happened to Al Gore a few years back.
Thing is, I wouldn’t fault them for these facilities if it weren’t for the fact their idiot ex-CEO has this gimmick the average American is to busy to see thru. I wonder if he knows that he’s a huge hypocrite or maybe he’s just that ignorant. He saw the huge expense, but he just thought that was just the way search engine business worked. Page and Serge took a page out of the Steve Jobs book: when it earned a D for its impact to the environment, first thing Apple did was put Al Gore on the board. Problem solved….

December 27, 2014 6:39 am

I would say the fact that there has been some change in climate isn’t disputed. Climate is constantly changing. The notion that the change is due to human activity is speculative, though. Yes, we can cause changes at the local scale due to land use changes but I’m unconvinced of any global scale changes due to humans.
Example: Measure the height of 100 people in a room and arrive at the average. Now place 5 of those people in elevator shoes and repeat. Yes, the average height went up but people are not generally growing taller. 5 of the people were changed locally and that impacted the average but the rest experienced no change at all.

Jim Francisco
Reply to  crosspatch
December 27, 2014 10:38 am

Crosspatch. I’m just guessing that those 5 in elevator shoes could represent the urban heat island effect (UHI) on temperature measurements?