Update: A guest post response, along with a comment from me has been posted, please see A big (goose) step backwards
Guest Opinion: Dr.Tim Ball
Skeptics have done a reasonable job of explaining what and how the IPCC created bad climate science. Now, as more people understand what the skeptics are saying, the question that most skeptics have not, or do not want to address is being asked – why? What is the motive behind corrupting science to such an extent? Some skeptics seem to believe it is just poor quality scientists, who don’t understand physics, but that doesn’t explain the amount, and obviously deliberate nature, of what has been presented to the public. What motive would you give, when asked?
The first step in understanding, is knowledge about how easily large-scale deceptions are achieved. Here is an explanation from one of the best proponents in history.
“All this was inspired by the principle – which is quite true in itself – that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes.”
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Do these remarks explain the comments of Jonathan Gruber about legislation for the Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare? Do the remarks fit the machinations of the founders of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and the activities of the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) disclosed in their 6000 leaked emails? It is instructive to know that Professor Gruber’s health care models are inaccessible, protected as proprietary.
The author of the quote was a leader whose lies and deceptions caused global disaster, including the deaths of millions of people. In a complex deception, the IPCC established a false result, the unproven hypothesis that human CO2 was causing global warming, then used it as the basis for a false premise that justifies the false result. It is a classic circular argument, but essential to perpetuate the phony results, which are the basis of all official climate change, energy, and environmental policies.
They successfully fooled the majority and even though many are starting to ask questions about contradictions, the central argument that CO2 is a demon gas destroying the planet through climate change, remains. There are three phases in countering what most people understand and convincing them of what was done. First, you have to explain the scientific method and the hypothesis they tried to prove, instead of the proper method of disproving it. Then you must identify the fundamental scientific flaws, in a way people understand. Third, you must anticipate the next question, because, as people grasp what is wrong and what was done, by understanding the first two stages, they inevitably ask the basic question skeptics have not answered effectively. Who did it and what was the motive? You have to overcome the technique so succinctly portrayed in the cartoon (Figure 1).
The response must counteract all the issues detailed in Adolf Hitler’s cynical comments, but also the extremely commendable motive of saving the planet, used by the IPCC and alarmists.
Figure 1
There are several roadblocks, beyond those Hitler identified. Some are inherent to individuals and others to society. People want to believe the best in people, especially if they have certain positions in society. Most can’t imagine scientists would do anything other than honest science. Most assume scientists avoid politics as much as possible because science is theoretically apolitical. One argument that is increasingly effective against this concern is funding. Follow the money is so basic, human greed, that even scientists are included.
Most find it hard to believe that a few people could fool the world. This is why the consensus argument was used from the start. Initially, it referred to the then approximately 6000 or so involved directly or indirectly in the IPCC. Later it was converted to the 97 percent figure concocted by Oreske, and later Cook. Most people don’t know consensus has no relevance to science. The consensus argument also marginalized the few scientists and others who dared to speak out.
There were also deliberate efforts to marginalize this small group with terminology. Skeptics has a different meaning for science and the public. For the former they are healthy and necessary, for the latter an irritating non-conformist. When the facts contradicted the hypothesis, namely that temperature stopped rising while CO2 continued to increase, a more egregious name was necessary. In the latter half of the 20th century, a denier was automatically associated with the holocaust.
Another form of marginalizing, applied to minority groups, is to give them a unique label. In climate, as in many other areas where people keep asking questions for which they receive inadequate answers, they are called conspiracy theorists. It is why I prefer the term cabal, a secretive political clique or faction, named after the initials of Clifford, Arlington, Buckingham, Ashley and Lauderdale, ministers to Charles II. Maurice Strong referred to the cabal when he speculated in 1990,
What if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude the principal risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?…In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring this about?
The motive emerged from the cabal within the Club of Rome around the themes identified by their founder, scientist Alexander King, in the publication The First Global Revolution. They took the Malthusian argument that the population was outgrowing food resources and said it was outgrowing all resources. The problem overall was bad, but was exacerbated and accelerated by industrialized nations. They were later identified as the nations in Annex 1 of the Kyoto Accord. The objective to achieve the motive was to reduce industrialization by identifying CO2 as causing global warming. It had to be a human caused variable that transcended national boundaries and therefore could only be resolved by a world government, (the conspiracy theory). Two parallel paths required political control, supported by scientific “proof” that CO2 was the demon.
All this was achieved with the political and organizational skills of Maurice Strong. Neil Hrab explains how Strong achieved the goal.
How has Strong promoted concepts like sustainable development to consume the world’s attention? Mainly by using his prodigious skills as a networker. Over a lifetime of mixing private sector career success with stints in government and international groups, Strong has honed his networking abilities to perfection. He can bring presidents, prime ministers and potentates from the world’s four corners to big environmental conferences such as the 1992 Rio Summit, an environmental spectacle organized by Strong and attended by more than 100 heads of state.
Here is a simple flow chart of what happened at Rio.
The political structure of Agenda 21 included the environmental catch-all, the precautionary principle, as Principle 15.
In order to protect the environment, the precautionary approach shall be widely applied by States according to their capabilities. Where there are threats of serious or irreversible damage, lack of full scientific certainty shall not be used as a reason for postponing cost-effective measures to prevent environmental degradation.
What reads like a deep concern for doing good, is actually a essentially a carte blanche to label anything as requiring government intervention. The excuse for action is the unassailable “protect the environment”. Who decides which State is capable? Who decides what is “serious” or “irreversible”? Who decides what “lack of full scientific certainty” means?
Maurice Strong set out the problem, as he saw it, in his keynote speech in Rio in 1992.
“Central to the issues we are going to have to deal with are: patterns of production and consumption in the industrial world that are undermining the Earth’s life-support systems; the explosive increase in population, largely in the developing world, that is adding a quarter of a million people daily; deepening disparities between rich and poor that leave 75 per cent of humanity struggling to live; and an economic system that takes no account of ecological costs or damage – one which views unfettered growth as progress. We have been the most successful species ever; we are now a species out of control. Our very success is leading us to a dangerous future.”
The motive was to protect the world from the people, particularly people in the industrial world. Measure of their damage was the amount of CO2 their industry produced. This was required as scientific proof that human CO2 was the cause.
From its inception, the IPCC focused on human production of CO2. It began with the definition of climate change, provided by the UNFCCC, as only those changes caused by humans. This effctively sidelined natural causes. The computer models produced the pre-programmed results and everything was amplified, and exaggerated through the IPCC Summary for Policymakers. The deception was very effective because of the cynical weaknesses Hitler identifies, the natural assumption that nobody could deceive, on such an important issue, and on such a scale, but also because most didn’t know what was being done.
People who knew, didn’t think to question what was going on for a variety of reasons. This situation makes the statement by German meteorologist and physicist Klaus-Eckert Puls even more important.
“Ten years ago I simply parroted what the IPCC told us. One day I started checking the facts and data – first I started with a sense of doubt but then I became outraged when I discovered that much of what the IPCC and the media were telling us was sheer nonsense and was not even supported by any scientific facts and measurements. To this day I still feel shame that as a scientist I made presentations of their science without first checking it.”
Puls commented on the scientific implications of the deception when he said,
“There’s nothing we can do to stop it (climate change). Scientifically, it is sheer absurdity to think we can get a nice climate by turning a CO2 adjustment knob.”
Now, as more and more people learn what Puls identifies, they will start to ask, who did it and what was the motive. When you understand what Adolf Hitler is saying in the quote from “Mein Kampf” above, you realize how easy it was to create the political formula of Agenda 21 and the scientific formula of the IPCC. Those responsible for the formation, structure, research, and final Reports, easily convinced the world they were a scientific organization making valid scientific statements. They also quckly and easily marginalized skeptics, as the leaked CRU emails exposed.
Do you have another or better explanation of a motive?
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Disclaimer [added]: This post is entirely the opinion of Dr. Tim Ball, it does not necessarily reflect the opinion of Anthony Watts or other authors who publish at WUWT. – Anthony Watts
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It was an attempt to implement global socialism, to redistribute the wealth of rich countries to poor ones. Notice how they started talking about how the West would have to start making “climate reparations” to third world nations?
The entire thing also set in motion a huge gravy train. Scientists who received millions in funding to continue towing the line. Renewable energy companies pocketing enormous government subsidises to prop up the economically unsustainable renewables industry. Land owners also at the trough for agreeing to have wind farms sited on their land. Politicians using it as a points scoring exercise to boost popularity.
I doubt we’ll ever get an answer but this is actually a really good question. Why, against all the evidence, do the worlds leading climate scientists, governments, the media, political parties, continue to sell us this snake oil. Here in australia as the evidence slowley unravelled – these people have only become more strident in thier outrageous claims of catastrophic disaster. We must act now!! The situation is even more dire than we thought!!! Its as if they know the game is up and they need to ram all the ‘reforms’ they can in before the rest of us cotton on to what actually happened.
Some of them let the truth slip out.
In my opinion it all starts with fear for the USA, especially from European countries. We in Europe get very one-sided news about the USA: wars are for oil only, the US is the biggest poluter, the US takes 30% of all resources, and so on. This indoctrination has been going on for decades. In general, people in Europe hate oil and fear the USA because of this. (I’m sorry). There are a lot of USA-bashers over here.
So, what is the remedy? It should all be a little less: less production, less energy use, less growth, and therefore less oil and less war. But also less independency from the rest of the world.
On the other hand, the environmentalists have indoctrinated the people for decades about the bad state of the earth: everything is dying. We are consuming the planet, we leave nothing for our children.
CO2 was the perfect tool to bring the US to world average and save the planet. By cutting energy the prosperity of the US will go down AND the planet will survive. The greens and the USA-bashers could cooperate in their propaganda about global warming and CO2. It found a willing audience and that’s why it was swallowed so easily. And in the end they even succeeded in getting the USA on board too. Unbelievable.
That’s my theory.
As an EU born but now living in N. Am I totally agree with the things about what is being said about N.Am in the press and the schools and universities in the EU brainwashed is more the term. After coming here my eyes were opened the USA and Canada are the most generous countries on the planet from earthquake recoveries to forest fires, flooding etc. the people always come together and help each other and other countries. But as in the EU the MSM rarely if ever reports this, the MSM is so bad they did not even show Obama’s speech on immigration fearing it would hurt the Democrats in the population areas that were not Hispanic. The Media is so behind the garbage that comes from the UN it seems no one is allowed to debate, you just get screamed at. I cannot even listen to my (very highly educated) brothers in Holland anymore.
America -> the world’s lifeboat.
Sadly, I guess we need to hear that, untrue as much of it is. Our American exceptionalism is surely a two-edged sword.
How so?
I don’t think the IPCC is, on the whole, overtly corrupt or mendacious. I do think they are highly motivated to advance a certain viewpoint, and with something as enormously complex and ill-understood as climate that is all it takes to guarantee the proper result.
Indeed: Noble cause corruption, confirmation bias, the ruling eco-religious ideology and the usual “herd instinct” conformism of the majority of people are more than sufficient to explain this wide spread CO2-witchhunt of our age. There is no need for a conspiracy theory.
In addition: Many climate scientist simply can’t retreat now after they shouted the CAGW fire alarm so ear deafening loud into the world with the consequence that a gigantic financial fiasco (e.g. in the energy sector) is already done. Thus, they are simply forced to parade their anti-CO2 crusade further and further until they are retired at least… 😉
Well said, Gentle Tramp.
Those things you mention, “Noble cause corruption, confirmation bias, the ruling eco-religious ideology and the usual “herd instinct” conformism ” describe tools of the “conspiracy” which is simply a hiding of the truth of why someone wants something from others. The clear statements of the leaders adequately demonstrate they want world government, central authority for all nations. CAGW is one means they have agreed to try to employ, and by not being truthful about their motive, that makes it by definition a conspiracy, a hiding of their real intent for central world government. Thus all doom predictions are repeated after they once again fail.
Or old like Emily Latella (Gilda Radner of SNL) ..Oh never mind.
What do you think the IPCC’s goal is?
Do you buy CAGW as they push?
Well, the debunking of the climate scare hasn’t trickled down to the lemmings yet.
Ouch, to think I spent most of my career in a higher-ed support job!
Maybe we should see some of the interviews that were NOT selected for the video.
I agree with you Dr. Ball but there is a simpler and more fundamental reason: Our government is run by crooks. That explanation also explains the following;
-The fast and furious scandal in which guns were allowed to be trafficed to Mexican drug gangs.
-The IRS giving preferential treatment to liberal organizations over conservative organizations for tax exempt status.
-The IRS confiscating bank accounts of innocent people with no trial, no due process of law and not even any charges.
-The EPA creating wetland rules which carry the force of law and apply onerous penalties for things which are not crimes. This despite the fact that the first sentence of our Constitution clearly gives all legislative power to Congress not the EPA. And the Congress never passed any such laws.
-The NDAA act of 2012 authorizes the armed forces to indefinitely detain without trial anyone they think is involved with terrorists, including US citizens. That is in total contradiction to the 5th amendment which says no one can be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law, and the 6th amendment which says in all criminal prosecutions the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial.
-The NSA is also apparently tracking our phone calls and reading our emails without a warrant as required by the 4th amendment.
-And the TSA routinely conducts highly invasive searches of innocent American air travelers, without a warrant or even probable cause to get a warrant.
I think my answer explains it – Crooks!
“Our government is run by crooks.”
Much higher status than crooks, aka actual sub-governments that answer to no one at the top and in fact the “top” probably actually fears some of them, especially the CIA, NSA and FBI (who taught the others well about how to keep their “bosses” in line under Hoover with his extensive nasty files on anyone important). I expect that it has also become like this in many other Western nations and probably Russia. It’s eye opening when an Independent Governor is called into a meeting by the CIA after being newly elected (Ventura). The EPA, FDA, NIH and the Federal Reserve also act with impunity and the only way to affect them is to reduce funding.
David S,
Sadly, you continue to attribute base motives when the normal human imperfections and vanities more charitably explain history in the past and now.
Doug Lets start with In the IRS tax exempt scandal. The IRS agent in charge of that division was questioned by congress about her activities. She refused to answer, citing her protection under the 5th amendment. Why? And how is it that when pertinent emails of hers on the subject were subpoened they were all lost due to a computer crash? And how likely is it that emails to others in the IRS were also lost? And that no backup was available? Tell me that is not criminal intent. While Its easy to assume that government agents are incompetent morons, at some point one has to conclude that no one is that incompetent and that these actions were intentional. Want to discuss some more examples?
What staggers me is why formerly reputable agencies like the BBC and the Guardian newspaper show no signs of moderating their one-eyed stance and giving their audiences some inkling of the fact that there are other hypotheses on matters such as the relationship, if any, of CO2 to temperature. What are THEIR motives?
I don’t know but it seems to be compartmentalisation.
The environmental sections are independent of the science sections which are independent of the general news…
And because they need “specialisation” to understand complex issues they leave it to the environmental journalists… who would have no job if AGW was unfounded.
Proof – see how they ignored and then harumphed over Climategate, the biggest scoop in science journalism the world has ever seen so far.
The UN agenda is the same as theirs. NWO.
Money?
“Concerns are growing that BBC journalists and their bosses regard disputed scientific theory that climate change is caused by mankind as “mainstream” while huge sums of employees’ money is invested in companies whose success depends on the theory being widely accepted.
http://australianclimatemadness.com/2010/02/07/bbc-pension-fund-invested-in-climate-companies/
Follow the money. Many organisations have their superannuation funds tied up in renewable energy schemes, which is somewhat dependent on the fear of CAGW, for instance the BBC, the Church of England, many NGOs, many workers’ unions in Australia, etc. These funds combined are possibly worth a trillion dollars or more.
Do you have another or better explanation of a motive?
I would not say I have a “better” idea, but I do want to add to your explanation.
As socialism, central-planning, and communism was failing world wide, as predicted in the 20s by von Mises, the central issue of politics remained — the need for something to maintain power. You see, it is not money that many men lust for, rather they lust for power over others. (money will give you some power)
The magic molecule, CO2, offered powerful men the hobgoblin to allow them to self-righteously demand that we peons yield to their rule over us. We must humbly obey their edicts even if they mean for us that we are to starve and freeze in the dark. Many of the greens want to see mankind’s numbers decrease by at least 6 Billion people and this CO2 deception fits right in with their worldview. They are telling us that dismantling the industrialized western world is the only hope of saving the whole world — and we all want to save the whole world now don’t we?
This flimflam is all about politics. Many politicians have grandly stood and received the accolades of worship by their followers as they helped to impoverish those same deluded followers. As always with political solutions — the poor ultimately pay a heavy price. “Eat or rent” is a term I believe originated in the UK but I could be wrong on where it came from; but I am not wrong on the hard choices we have to make when money is in short supply.
Dr. Ball, you may be right or you may be wrong on some of the specifics of your essay: but you are on the right trail. Powerful men and women wanted to control mankind and millions of their minions (like 3rd rate “climatologists”) were all to happy to accommodate them by providing the hysterical “science”.
Someday all will see this epoch for the anti-science it represents.
I think your analysis is mostly right if applied to all groups- see Niebuhr’s Moral Man and Immoral Society and The Irony of American History.
They’re all running for cover, lair/liar whatever.
If they are not, they should be.
The best explanation I can find for the big lie is Truthiness applied to science.
“Truthiness is a quality characterizing a “truth” that a person making an argument or assertion claims to know intuitively “from the gut” or because it “feels right” without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.”
CAGW has traction because it feels right. Human action must be the cause of our problems. Human existence cannot simply be at the whim of Random Acts of Nature, because that implies that governments have no real power to protect us. So to justify their existence, governments must present they are more powerful than they truly are.
And when things go wrong, well governments are not about to admit that they failed to plan, failed to make allowances for Nature. Rather, they will want to find a scapegoat. And what better scapegoat than The People? It is The People, creating CO2 that are responsible for government failures. Not the government. The government is here to save us, and to do so we need more government.
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A clear, comprehensive, convincing article that discusses the political agenda associated with the “climate change” movement.
An excerpt:
“People who knew, didn’t think to question what was going on for a variety of reasons. This situation makes the statement by German meteorologist and physicist Klaus-Eckert Puls even more important.
“Ten years ago I simply parroted what the IPCC told us. One day I started checking the facts and data – first I started with a sense of doubt but then I became outraged when I discovered that much of what the IPCC and the media were telling us was sheer nonsense and was not even supported by any scientific facts and measurements. To this day I still feel shame that as a scientist I made presentations of their science without first checking it.”
Dr. Ball, your analysis sounds right and reveals much that is otherwise difficult to understand.
The Greens (aptly called watermelon Green because they are so often green on the outside and red on the inside) seem to despise humanity and like to call it the ultimate invasive species. When I was in High School there was an exhibition that came to our school near Stanford University. The presentation I remember best was the “Zero Population Growth” folks, based on Paul Ehrlich’s crazy ideas. 1969 or 1970 or so. The pogo cartoon was the famous embodiment of this idea at that time. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/49/Pogo_-_Earth_Day_1971_poster.jpg/240px-Pogo_-_Earth_Day_1971_poster.jpg
The basic idea seems to be that ordinary folks cannot be trusted to act on their own, we need some kind of Big Brother to keep us in line or we will foul our nest. And of course, the Big Brother will be benevolent but all-powerful. So some people are so willing and eager to become part of the benign, benevolent, earth and humanity loving autocratic and all powerful Big Brother power structure that they will literally stop at nothing, will embrace any lie no matter how implausible, put out any propaganda campaign that seems necessary, all to help the poor wayward ignorant deluded souls of the great unwashed planetary population.
If you look at it this way it is far easier to understand the dogged determination of the dedicated liars who produce the tainted “science” covered every day in this blog. Unfortunately reason, logic and hard evidence will not prevail against such ideas, any more than it prevailed against the Lysenkoism of Stalin’s USSR. Even when they were starving they held to the idea, it made sense to them emotionally. The anti-humanist idea makes sense emotionally too, if you are a self-hating post-modern pseudo-intellectual. I don’t know what will finally overturn it, obviously a long spell of average temperatures will not. What if the temperatures go down? Then they will just decide that CO2 has a cooling effect. It Is ALL Our Fault! An emergency requiring immediate concentration of international power at the UN.
Karl Popper wrote a complete answer starting in his Logic of Scientific Discovery, extending through The Open Society and Its Enemies and culminating in The Poverty of Historicism. Science was corrupted here for the same reasons that Hegel and Marx developed and advanced the dialectic, as mumbo-jumbo to fool the credulous and gullible.
You nailed it.
‘People Starting To Ask About Motive For Massive IPCC Deception’
It is UN body , that means its number one aim is self-perpetually , no AGW no IPCC it really is that simple . So I would no more trust them to be honest on this subject than a would trust the KKK to give honest advice on race relations.
The Precautionary Principle is analogous to an insurance premium, but in this case the cost of the premium is likely more costly than the damage claim will ever be.
If someone tells me that it’s very likely that there’s a boogie man living in my attic and the best way to get rid of him is to burn my house down, you can bet I won’t start looking for a can of gas and some matches.
Oh, even if 97% of your neighbors agree?
You mean, without checking the facts? No, not even then. Would you?
Truthiness goes back to the Power of Positive Thinking that has invaded Corporate America. Corporations no longer want critical analysis. Instead they want positive analysis.
When things go wrong, it isn’t because corporations failed to take a critical look at the problems they faced, it is because people failed to be positive. Downsizing and the Financial Meltdown were the result of this naive approach to corporate management.
Believing something to be true because it “feels” right is at the heart of the problem. It has invaded government, corporations and science. Armed with this belief, these institutions have collected massive amounts of positive examples to prove their “belief” is correct.
However, positive example are never proof. If you fail to look for negative examples you will never discover the truth. And to look for negative examples, you need critical analysis. Analysis that goes against the Power of Positive Thinking.
more postmodernism
Good point, climate-scientology as Science Wars battles still being fought by the losers.
To get rich. It’s not hard to understand.
This was at the heart of the Strong approach when he was a backroom fixer for the Liberal Party of Canada. It is not sufficient to simply bring people together. Bring them together and show then how they can make a pile of money; that will get their attention.
In politics the formula is simple. Governments make a decision. That decision favors some people more than others. Some people make a lot of money, lots of people lose some money.
Those few people that makes lots of money are expected to contribute to the political party that made the favorable decision. Otherwise the next decision will not be so favorable.
The many people that lost some money need to be told a lie, otherwise they might vote for the other party the next time they have a chance. The lie explains why lots of people lost some money, so that a few people could make lots of money.
B,O stated, “we will punish our enemies, and reward our friends”
Political Correctness perpetuates the problem by encouraging group-think. Once a point of view becomes politically incorrect, then any truths that might be revealed by that point of view cannot be discovered. Instead we are as a society doomed to consider only politically correct truths, no matter how false they might be.
Folks who strive for political correctness have never read Sagan’s Baloney Detector.
See here if you want to know the origins of political correctness – http://www.academia.org/the-origins-of-political-correctness/
Also Critical Theory-
What the Frankfurt School essentially does is draw on both Marx and Freud in the 1930s to create this theory called Critical Theory. The term is ingenious because you’re tempted to ask, “What is the theory?” The theory is to criticize. The theory is that the way to bring down Western culture and the capitalist order is not to lay down an alternative. They explicitly refuse to do that. They say it can’t be done, that we can’t imagine what a free society would look like (their definition of a free society). As long as we’re living under repression – the repression of a capitalistic economic order which creates (in their theory) the Freudian condition, the conditions that Freud describes in individuals of repression – we can’t even imagine it. What Critical Theory is about is simply criticizing. It calls for the most destructive criticism possible, in every possible way, designed to bring the current order down.
Having worked in an organisation where many millions were diverted(scammed) into a grand cyber project that was never feasible in the first place, I have witnessed the workings on a smaller but still unbelievable scale. The steps are common.
Identify an urgent problem and solution.
Infiltrate company A board.(UN)
Sell problem to Board and create excitement including potential for personal gain(investments, shares etc)
Set up a separate B company(IPCC)
Divert $ from A to B and give power to B to act independently and raise and spend other money.
Get networks excited, Send people on overseas trips to buy them in. Create positions on advisory committees, appoint malleable academics, pay them huge salaries they can’t refuse,isolate or destroy any opposition. set up posh offices etc, etc
The above was orchestrated by four people each with different qualifications working together as a team. It fooled thousands of people.Lots of money down the tube and to this day many who were taken in by it including highly qualified people, government officials, banks etc still don’t accept that they were conned because they cannot believe that something that big was planned.
Unfortunately my experience suggests people will rather call you a conspiratorial nutter than accept the reality of what you are saying. Look out too for the attacks from the perpetrators.
I am with you on this Dr Ball. Excellent analysis.
Dr Ball’s argument seems quite plausible to me and I think is correct to a 95% confidence level. My life’s experience also tells me to follow the money – I am 99.9% sure of that. I feel that both the political and greed factors are both at work and so far have complimented each other very well, maybe by design. But skeptics by relentlessly pursuing and presenting facts are seriously eroding the smug certainty of alarmists, both scientists and lay persons. The truth, whatever it is, will come out eventually. Skeptics are contributing far more to the pursuit of truth than anyone else and like Dr Ball they must continue their pursuit.
The etymology given for cabal is incorrect. “…the initials of Clifford, Arlington, Buckingham, Ashley and Lauderdale, ministers to Charles II”
Charles II lived 29 May 1630 to 6 February 1685. The first known use of cabal was 1614. It is based on the Late Hebrew qabbālāh, literally, received (lore), i.e., secret writings.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cabal
You got your etymology out of Wankerpedia, didn’t you? Bad source for info on anything.
It is actually no longer a matter of science but of faith. http://meteorologicalmusings.blogspot.com/2014/11/climate-science-has-become-climate.html
Think I counted 97 thesis in the Bishop’s lengthy testimonial.
During the early stages of the Global Warming scientific debate over a decade ago, we avoided ascribing motives to the warmist camp. The warmists, on the other hand, frequently vilified us “skeptics” (aka “deniers”) as being in the pay of “big oil” – which was just another big lie.
One credible early warning of the motives of the radical enviros came from Patrick Moore, a co-founder of Greenpeace, in his 1994 essay “Hard Choices for the Environmental Movement” at
http://www.ecosense.me/index.php/key-environmental-issues/10-key-environmental-issues/208-key-environmental-issues-4
A chapter of this essay is entitled “The Rise of Eco-Extremism”, in which Moore was remarkably prescient.
This debate has always been political and is NOT about the science, which has always been rather clear and is becoming increasingly so – due to the now~18 year global temperature “standstill” – I suggest it is not even a “pause” in global warming, since the planet will probably cool in the next decades.
Regards, Allan
The Rise of Eco-Extremism [1994, excerpt]
Two profound events triggered the split between those advocating a pragmatic or “liberal” approach to ecology and the new “zero-tolerance” attitude of the extremists. The first event, mentioned previously, was the widespread adoption of the environmental agenda by the mainstream of business and government. This left environmentalists with the choice of either being drawn into collaboration with their former “enemies” or of taking ever more extreme positions. Many environmentalists chose the latter route. They rejected the concept of “sustainable development” and took a strong “anti-development” stance.
Surprisingly enough the second event that caused the environmental movement to veer to the left was the fall of the Berlin Wall. Suddenly the international peace movement had a lot less to do. Pro-Soviet groups in the West were discredited. Many of their members moved into the environmental movement bringing with them their eco-Marxism and pro-Sandinista sentiments.
These factors have contributed to a new variant of the environmental movement that is so extreme that many people, including myself, believe its agenda is a greater threat to the global environment than that posed by mainstream society.
In regard to the warmists’ reliance of scientific certainty or near certainty (97% etc.) my thought is that there is NO certainty about any science. Even “laws” of physics, thermodynamics, etc. are only propositions that have never YET been shown to not govern in all cases. It makes me sick when I hear otherwise intelligent, conservatives, who don’t accept the scam of CAGW, give any credence to the 97% claim.
OK, so we’re going to descend into conspiracy theory now? If you want to believe that this is all part of some socialist plot then you belong with the nutters who believe there is a new world order of the right or the 911 truth movement. Climate change and Obamacare are not related. Skepticism of climate alarmism is not based on any right wing freedom ideology. This site used to be a decent place for ridiculing the daft claims of the easily led. For scientists to discuss science. Now it’s turning into a rightist talking shop and the science here is becoming as thin as the science elsewhere.
Agreed.
But I dis agree about the good parts. The science threads (Bob Tisdale for instance) are still good.
You’re spot on Paul! If you consider the issue dispassionately and apolitically (which you should) you can see that both the social and scientific aspects have evolved significantly from their earliest manifestations. Like creationism, conspiracy theory cannot be disproved and is therefore a belief system. If it makes you feel ‘better’ then be my guest.
However, I do think the more extreme aspects of the CAGW theory are behaving not unlike a pathogen that needs to constantly adapt to remain virulent. As the host (social norms) become immune, the virus changes to allow it to continue its infection. Likewise, as it spreads between hosts it may become more robust, adapting new methods of transmission.
There is certainly no evidence to make me think some sort of ‘hive mind’ is directing or supressing scientific enquiry! People simply see and react to the world from their own limited and bias perspective.
Ah, here come the abusers calling us conspiratorial nutters and trying to bury this line of thinking. Getting too close to the mark are we? Didn’t take long. Next the perpetrators will threaten you legally Dr Ball. Hah, that won’t stop us now. Indeed it would be the best thing ever to put an end to this crime on humanity.
Ah indeed, the Meme speaks. This is what was alluding to when I talked about ideas being like a virus. When an idea becomes established in modern social circles (MSM, Blogs, UN reports – you name it) it stars to evolve and become resilient to eradication. Ironically, the hosts can (and often do) manufacture effective antibodies to combat misinformation. But some stronger ideas take root and can re-emerge long after they are supressed (see cholesterol, DDT and most recently CO2 pollution).
Similarly, any organisation will naturally seek to expand its sphere of influence and act as a ‘willing’ host for any meme virus which benefits or supports that group’s development (see IPCC, climate scientists, EPA & pretty much all govt departments focused on climate and most of all enviro-NGO’s).
So what I am suggesting is that the ‘conspiracy’ is actually more a confluence of like-minded ideas which have become incredibly beneficial to certain groups. Those groups tend to have a financial interest in hosting and propagating the idea for their own continued existence. They are not necessarily in cahoots but are certainly mutually supportive of anything which helps the original idea survive. They are also very aggressive to and alternative ‘antibody’ which might suppress the idea. Another good example of this type of behaviour would be religious orthodoxy
Does that make sense?
No one less than the President of the United States is pushing Warmist mythology and CO2 demonization (“pollution”) as hard as he can. Of course he is indubitably among the “easily led,” but only where it fits right in with his political ideology. He’s a Marxist, and he and his handlers are clearly hell bent on pushing the USA toward subservience to a world socialist model. Can we separate the phony ‘science’ from the political ideology?
The problem for science is that “the easily led” are holding the reins of power, and their “daft claims” are the dogma to which you must adhere, or be punished for heresy. To confine oneself to the innumerable fallacies in their ‘science’ is to bury one’s head deep in the sand.
/Mr Lynn
No it’s not. You are just being silly. These kinds of threads are few and far between but they serve a purpose too. Surely the fact that you and M. Courtney see fit to comment on this thread is indicative of its value.
A lot of folk harbour all kinds of silliness in their minds and being able to have their errors pointed out here helps them with their world view. There is nothing wrong with having this kind of thread in the general mix of hugely informative threads that teach and instruct so many people even though you may think they are beneath you.
The sharing of ideas, often wrong and not thought through, has great value for many people as it saves time and effort that might otherwise be wasted.