>>3827954

>And Math is a tool

Fuck I hate people who say this. Of all the sciences (I'm not going to get into why maths shouldn't be labelled a science...) mathematics is the one which is least 'tool' like. The greatest portion of mathematics is done with NO intent of having practical applications at any point, mathematicians don't do maths so that it can be used as a 'tool', we do it quite literally for fun, nothing more and nothing less. Anyone who does mathematics with some goal for it is not really doing mathematics, they're applying mathematics to something else. It is music for smart people, the fact it has many useful applications is a happenstance, at its core it is a form of art.

Every other science, without fail is applied only as a tool with which to better understand the universe at some level, maths isn't like this, the universe isn't interesting mathematically, its much too complicated to even begin to consider mathematically, that's why we talk about polygons and numbers and morphisms. These things are sufficiently simple that we can think mathematically about them, the extension of this thinking as a method of assessing the universe is no longer mathematics, its using mathematics to model things.

Not that I dislike mathematical science, or the application of maths to the universe, its an interesting thing in itself, but for different reasons. I just get pissed off that everyone seems to think that that is what constitutes mathematics. If I'm to concede on the definition and allow mathematical science to also be called mathematics, this only slightly weakens my point as now only the majority and the fundamentals of mathematics are art, and the rest is a tool, leaving it still as the least 'tool' like science.