The law of unintended consequences in action: Imagine replacing all CO2 emissions with H2O emissions

electrolysis catalyst
Image: Tewodros Asefa A new technology based on carbon nanotubes promises commercially viable hydrogen production from water.

This story, while technically correct, made me chuckle, especially in light of a tweet today by Mashable warmist Andrew Freidman, who was complaining about heat and humidity in NYC. Just think about what it would be like if all those taxis and private vehicles were emitting H2O (as water vapor). – more below.

Rutgers Chemists Develop Technology to Produce Clean-Burning Hydrogen Fuel

New catalyst based on carbon nanotubes may rival cost-prohibitive platinum for reactions that split water into hydrogen and oxygen

NEW BRUNSWICK – Rutgers researchers have developed a technology that could overcome a major cost barrier to make clean-burning hydrogen fuel – a fuel that could replace expensive and environmentally harmful fossil fuels.

The new technology is a novel catalyst that performs almost as well as cost-prohibitive platinum for so-called electrolysis reactions, which use electric currents to split water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen. The Rutgers technology is also far more efficient than less-expensive catalysts investigated to-date.

“Hydrogen has long been expected to play a vital role in our future energy landscapes by mitigating, if not completely eliminating, our reliance on fossil fuels,” said Tewodros (Teddy) Asefa, associate professor of chemistry and chemical biology in the School of Arts and Sciences. “We have developed a sustainable chemical catalyst that, we hope with the right industry partner, can bring this vision to life.”

Asefa is also an associate professor of chemical and biochemical engineering in the School of Engineering.

He and his colleagues based their new catalyst on carbon nanotubes – one-atom-thick sheets of carbon rolled into tubes 10,000 times thinner than a human hair.

Finding ways to make electrolysis reactions commercially viable is important because processes that make hydrogen today start with methane – itself a fossil fuel. The need to consume fossil fuel therefore negates current claims that hydrogen is a “green” fuel.

Electrolysis, however, could produce hydrogen using electricity generated by renewable sources, such as solar, wind and hydro energy, or by carbon-neutral sources, such as nuclear energy. And even if fossil fuels were used for electrolysis, the higher efficiency and better emissions controls of large power plants could give hydrogen fuel cells an advantage over less efficient and more polluting gasoline and diesel engines in millions of vehicles and other applications.

In a recent scientific paper published in Angewandte Chemie International Edition, Asefa and his colleagues reported that their technology, called “noble metal-free nitrogen-rich carbon nanotubes,” efficiently catalyze the hydrogen evolution reaction with activities close to that of platinum. They also function well in acidic, neutral or basic conditions, allowing them to be coupled with the best available oxygen-evolving catalysts that also play crucial roles in the water-splitting reaction.

The researchers have filed for a patent on the catalyst, which is available for licensing or research collaborations through the Rutgers Office of Technology Commercialization. The National Science Foundation funded the research.

Asefa, an expert in inorganic and materials chemistry, joined the Rutgers faculty in 2009 after four years as an assistant professor at Syracuse University. Originally from Ethiopia, he is a resident of Montgomery Township, N.J. In addition to catalysis and nanocatalysis, his research interests include novel inorganic nanomaterials and nanomaterials for biological, medical biosensing and solar cell applications.

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The process described above is certainly better and less energy intensive than steam methane reforming (STR) which produces over 100 million tons of hydrogen worldwide every year.

I wrote a paper in college on the topic of replacing gasoline with hydrogen – it seemed a sensible idea then. Now, not so much.

For those that don’t know or don’t recall, the chemical reaction for combusting hydrogen is:

combusting_h2

The result of the reaction is water and heat released from combustion, the H2O, unless condensed and trapped, will exit as water vapor into the atmosphere.

When ranked by their direct contribution to the greenhouse effect, the most important greenhouse gas compounds are:

Compound Formula Contribution

(%)

Water vapor and clouds H

2O

36 – 72%
Carbon dioxide CO

2

9 – 26%
Methane CH

4

4–9%
Ozone O

3

3–7%
Source: Kiehl, J.T.; Kevin E. Trenberth (1997). “Earth’s annual global mean energy budget” (PDF). Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society 78 (2): 197–208.  doi:10.1175/1520-0477(1997)078<0197:EAGMEB>2.0.CO;2

The contribution of water vapor ranges far higher than that of CO2.

Imagine in a hyrdogen powered economy, millions of vehicles emitting water vapor from tailpipes instead of CO2.

H2-exhaust

The panic over temperature from water vapor emissions, which can be double to triple the heat trapping capacity of Carbon Dioxide, would be quite something to watch.

On the plus side trapping H2O is a lot easier than trapping CO2, though in automobiles, would require carrying around all that waste water of combustion, and dumping it when you fuel up, something I have yet to see dealt with in the various Hydrogen powered combustion engines I’ve looked at. Fuel cell systems do better, since they don’t produce much in the way of water vapor, but water is dumped onto the road just the same, where it will evaporate.

Note that this fueling station recently in the news has no provision for waste-water capture:

Linde starts production line for fuel-cell car filling stations

(Reuters) – German industrial gases maker Linde opened what it said was the world’s first production line for hydrogen fueling stations on Monday, in a bid to boost support networks for eco-friendly cars.

Fuel-cell cars, which compete with electric and hybrid vehicles in a race to capture environmentally conscious drivers, use a stack of cells that combine hydrogen with oxygen in the air to generate electricity.

Their only emissions are water vapour and heat, but the technology has been held back by high costs and lack of infrastructure. Fuel-cell cars will go on sale starting at $70,000, and filling stations cost over $1 million to build.

On the back of commercial launch announcements by Toyota and Hyundai and demand in Japan, Linde started up a production facility with an initial annual capacity of 50 stations a year. Until now, it has built them one by one.

The company announced an order for 28 stations from Japanese gas trading company Iwatani, which put the first of its Linde stations into operation near Osaka on Monday, the first commercial hydrogen fueling station in Japan.

We live in interesting times.

From Wikipedia, the criticism of hydrogen powered cars is broad:

In 2008, Wired News reported that “experts say it will be 40 years or more before hydrogen has any meaningful impact on gasoline consumption or global warming, and we can’t afford to wait that long. In the meantime, fuel cells are diverting resources from more immediate solutions.”[82] The Economist magazine, in 2008, quoted Robert Zubrin, the author of Energy Victory, as saying: “Hydrogen is ‘just about the worst possible vehicle fuel'”.[83] The magazine noted that most hydrogen is produced through steam reformation, which creates at least as much emission of carbon per mile as some of today’s gasoline cars. On the other hand, if the hydrogen could be produced using renewable energy, “it would surely be easier simply to use this energy to charge the batteries of all-electric or plug-in hybrid vehicles.”[83] The Los Angeles Times wrote in 2009, “Any way you look at it, hydrogen is a lousy way to move cars.”[84] The Washington Post asked in November 2009, “[W]hy would you want to store energy in the form of hydrogen and then use that hydrogen to produce electricity for a motor, when electrical energy is already waiting to be sucked out of sockets all over America and stored in auto batteries…?”[85]

The Motley Fool stated in 2013 that “there are still cost-prohibitive obstacles [for hydrogen cars] relating to transportation, storage, and, most importantly, production.”[86] The New York Times noted that there are only 10 publicly accessible hydrogen filling stations in the U.S.[59] Volkswagen’s Rudolf Krebs said in 2013 that “no matter how excellent you make the cars themselves, the laws of physics hinder their overall efficiency. The most efficient way to convert energy to mobility is electricity.” He elaborated: “Hydrogen mobility only makes sense if you use green energy”, but … you need to convert it first into hydrogen “with low efficiencies” where “you lose about 40 percent of the initial energy”. You then must compress the hydrogen and store it under high pressure in tanks, which uses more energy. “And then you have to convert the hydrogen back to electricity in a fuel cell with another efficiency loss”. Krebs continued: “in the end, from your original 100 percent of electric energy, you end up with 30 to 40 percent.”[87] Cox wrote in 2014 that producing hydrogen “is significantly more carbon intensive per unit of energy than coal. Mistaking fossil hydrogen from the hydraulic fracturing of shales for an environmentally sustainable energy pathway threatens to encourage energy policies that will dilute and potentially derail global efforts to head-off climate change due to the risk of diverting investment and focus from vehicle technologies that are economically compatible with renewable energy.”[6]

The Business Insider commented:

Pure hydrogen can be industrially derived, but it takes energy. If that energy does not come from renewable sources, then fuel-cell cars are not as clean as they seem. … Another challenge is the lack of infrastructure. Gas stations need to invest in the ability to refuel hydrogen tanks before FCEVs become practical, and it’s unlikely many will do that while there are so few customers on the road today. … Compounding the lack of infrastructure is the high cost of the technology. Fuel cells are “still very, very expensive”.

UPDATE: another unintended consequence I had not considered – leakage. Keeping Hydrogen gas from leaking is quite a problem due to the molecular size being the smallest. This comment sums it up:

Les Johnson says:

well, using H2 would solve the global warming issue, just not the way intended.

Replacing all auto fuel, and assuming a 10% leakage at surface, H2 will cause global COOLING, by tripling stratospheric moisture, plus destroy the ozone by hydroxyls chemistry…

This is disputed by Warwick 2004, but I find a 1% loss rate of hydrogen to be extremely low. We have 10% to 20% loss rates, per day, of liquid N2. And liquid H2 has a much lower temperature.

This has references to both papers, page 3.

http://www.atmos-chem-phys-discuss.net/12/19371/2012/acpd-12-19371-2012-print.pdf

http://pr.caltech.edu/media/Press_Releases/PR12405.html

he adds later in a second comment:

This is the Tromp et al 2006 paper that shows that hydrogen leakage woul dbe very detrimental.

http://scholar.google.ca/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=ri8A4awAAAAJ&citation_for_view=ri8A4awAAAAJ:pqnbT2bcN3wC

Abstract:

The widespread use of hydrogen fuel cells could have hitherto unknown

environmental impacts due to unintended emissions of molecular hydrogen, including an

increase in the abundance of water vapor in the stratosphere (plausibly by as much as∼ 1

part per million by volume). This would cause stratospheric cooling, enhancement of the

heterogeneous chemistry that destroys ozone, an increase in noctilucent clouds, and

changes in tropospheric chemistry and atmosphere-biosphere interactions.

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Paul Westhaver
July 14, 2014 4:32 pm

Yeah Hydrogen is just what we’ve all been waiting for.
In an earlier post about a new battery technology I spoke about the progression of my design days from battery powered stuff to wood powered stuff.
Wood is just the best energy storage medium there is, and it is 100% recyclable.\
Hydrogen is great for emmisions. Yes it is. EXCEPT,
1) where does one get hydrogen?
2) how does one store protons?
Electrolysis is the smart-a$$ answer to 1) but electrolysis requires a lot of DC electricity and replacing coal, oil and nat gas, with hydrogen will require converting a lot of coal, oil and nat gas to hydrogen, so that the green elite can drink water from their cars. ie the carbon has to go somewhere.
so…not gonna happen…
Storing an explosive material like H2 is not trivial, especially on 3000 lb projectiles.
H2 migrates into the steel and causing embrittlement, H2 is notorious for leaking.
It is a proton!!! It is very small.
So better we store the hydrogen in a safe solid form (wood) or a safe liquid form (diesel) so that we can extract the hydrogens safely when we actually need them.
No, the EPA cannot regulate water, but they are regulating the pathway to water.. so I am not laughing.

July 14, 2014 4:33 pm

For every gallon of gasoline that is burned, one gallon of water (liquid) is produced. Correction of earlier post.

Sean
July 14, 2014 4:35 pm

This is supposed to be green?
Turning the most important molecule on earth, that makes life possible on this planet, into a fuel source for cars?
I knew the green cult was destructive but this is asinine.

Paul Westhaver
July 14, 2014 4:36 pm

.. in other words:
water from H2 requires H2 from Oil yielding carbon waste at the H2 producer, which, is regulated by the EPA.
BTW, CO2 is not pollution.

Bill Illis
July 14, 2014 4:37 pm

Water vapor cycles through the atmosphere each 9 days.
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Hydrogen, the smallest atom there is. H2 gas, the least dense, smallest molecule there is. It leaks easily, even in the highest engineered seal systems. It reacts extremely rapidly with O2 such that in a large quantity, it can be considered explosive. Given its tiny density, to provide any type of long-lasting energy, it must be highly compressed in a highly engineered high pressure vessel.
Explosive, high pressure vessel, rapidly expanding reaction gas, equals bomb.
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Hydrogen loves its oxygen. Once combined, it is extremely difficult to break the bond. All the water on Earth was formed 8 billion, or 6 billion or 4.5 billion years ago. And they are still bonded together today. That’s how much hydrogen loves its oxygen. Simplistic, “we can separate hydrogen from water on an industrial scale without adding any significant energy in the first place” breakthroughs are just not believable. Almost always, a coal-fired power plant would be providing the electricity to break the bond in the first place. Result, CO2.

Jack Okie
July 14, 2014 4:45 pm

Here is a link to an interesting process that uses a form of carbon as a catalyst to produce hydrogen on demand from aluminum and water. Don’t know yet if there is anything to it – I suppose if there were, those trying to commercialize it would play it pretty close to the vest.

jackokie
July 14, 2014 4:46 pm
John M
July 14, 2014 4:47 pm

Jack Okie,
Where’s the aluminum come from?

July 14, 2014 4:52 pm

paddylol said Would hydrogen fuel cells in case of a collision turn the car into a modern Hindenburg? How could this be prevented? What would it cost and what would the unintended consequences include?
What actually caused the fire on the Hindenburg to be so spectacular is contentious issue, my personal favorite is the paint on it, aluminum pigmented nitrocellulose lacquer, that was basicaly thermite bound with gun cotton. While I’m not trying to trivialise the hazards of hydrogen gas, it’s probally safer than gasoline because the explosive vapors don’t pool on the ground like gasoline does.

michael hart
July 14, 2014 5:03 pm

Anyone have a link to the actual paper? I can’t see it here or at Angew Chem.

Sparks
July 14, 2014 5:03 pm

Over head power lines do electrolysis when it rains, I would imagine a lot more than hydrogen cars would produce on a global scale at the present. The other thing is, the sun evaporates and controls how much humidity is in the air NOT CO2 regardless of its source.

July 14, 2014 5:17 pm

Depending upon temperature and humidity, the proportional contribution of water vapor to the greenhouse effect varies significantly. At 298K and 50% RH, there would be 96 water molecules for every 4 carbon dioxide molecules. At 273K and 50% RH there would be about 20 water molecules for every 4 carbon dioxide molecules. At 273K and 10% RH the number of water and carbon dioxide molecules in a sample of air would be equal. Water absorbs IR more broadly across the spectrum.

July 14, 2014 5:18 pm

The only solution is to keep the hydrogen in water form until ready for use. And that technology is not around yet at an economic price.

Larry
July 14, 2014 5:38 pm

This is why the fuel cells envisioned by the automotive industry around a decade ago had a reformer stage. The hydrogen was stored as hydrcarbons, which were cracked as needed. Which solved the problems of storage and handling leakage, lack of hydrogen infrastructure, but would waste a lot of the energy in the hydrocarbons.
All to pander to superstitions.

TRM
July 14, 2014 5:46 pm

As cited above storing hydrogen is not yet practical. If you liquefy it you lose a lot to leaks and if you store it in gaseous state then the density is not high. On demand is very difficult but might work and storing it in gas in a hydride tank is perfectly safe (even when shot with armour piercing incendiary bullets) but too low density.
As with electricity safe, cheap, long term, high power to weight storage is not here yet.

Harold
July 14, 2014 6:02 pm

“The crucial point about using hydrogen is that the whole process cannot break the second law of thermodynamics, namely that you cannot get more energy out than you put in.”
I hope you don’t confuse the first and second amendments like you confuse the first and second laws of thermo, or the first guy who says “shut up” will be walking away with your gun.

July 14, 2014 6:07 pm

Does everyone realize we live on a water planet?

TRG
July 14, 2014 6:13 pm

This can all be summed up as: “The gas is always greener on the other side.”

Sparks
July 14, 2014 6:15 pm

A more efficient use of a “water planet” would be to produce helium from the hydrogen contained in the water.. Do I have to actually tell you how? surly people get paid for this?

July 14, 2014 6:24 pm

You think because using hydrogen as a fuel for cars is stupid that it wouldn’t be done. So what do you think about solar panels in Scotland? So what do you think about cutting down a hundred km strip of national forest along the sea coast of a country that is only 300km in maximum dimension (Denmark) to build windmills, covering vast tracts of UK’s best scenery with this ancient technology? Or shipping hardwood firewood from North Carolina to UK to be burned in former coal fired electricity plants because the wood is renewable – even the coal is probably renewable in the extremely long run and it is the planet we are worried about isn’t it?
No, sadly, the stuff coming out of this eco-farce wouldn’t get a passing grade in a grade 6 science fair.
O BTW, with gasoline engines emitting a bigger mass of water than the mass of the fuel, I haven’t noticed icing of the roads in Canada from it. Once, standing at a bus stop in deep freezing weather, I watched the plumes of condensed vapor issuing from the mouths of those around me and noted it disappeared in half a metre distance. Humidity is generally low in these conditions and it simply evaporated into the air. I suppose vehicles could enhance a snow storm but then, if its bad enough the vehicles stop going!!

July 14, 2014 6:27 pm

As to hydrogen, nope. Never. Hydrogen should be thought of as an alternative battery, no better than lead-acid, no matter how good we get at making it out of other fuels or water. If we can solve the battery problem, we will all drive electric cars. Hybrids will go away, and hydrogen will never come. The other thing that would give us all electric cars is installing the infrastructure in the highways to deliver the required power to the vehicles in-route. Such could eliminate the need for better batteries. If the batteries only need to provide a few minutes of power between one’s residence and the electrified roadway system, then they are already good enough. Of course, there is a huge cost and an exceptionally long installation period if that is what we want to do. Primarily, electric prices have to fall. They will if we let them.

July 14, 2014 6:38 pm

Gary Pearse, good point (but sad). Sparks, do you understand fusion? I do. For twenty years I have been saying it is 100 years away. I still think so. It is not a physics problem; it is an engineering problem. Also, we cannot fuse hydrogen into helium like the sun. Not possible on earth. We can fuse deuterium and tritium, but we must first make the tritium. There are various possibilities for that, but right now we make it out of lithium, in current fission reactors.
The whole of fusion is a long story. I assert that all power (essentially) humans of the eventual future will be produced with fusion reactions, but the route from here to there is unclear, and the current engineering and economic impediments are insurmountable with current knowledge, technology, and materials. Materials are the biggest problem so far. 14 MeV neutrons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron) do bad things to materials. Bad things.

R. Shearer
July 14, 2014 6:48 pm

As a few have pointed out, hydrocarbon fuels already produce a lot of water upon combustion. That part of this piece is just silly.

Luke
July 14, 2014 7:03 pm

If you use fossil fuels to generate the electricity you will never beat the conversion efficiency of a steam methane reformer, period. Using platinum catalyst, large scale electrolysis is ~80% efficient and the most efficient gas turbines are ~60% efficient. So 48% thermal efficiency is the best you can do. That means ~675 btu of natural gas would be combusted to create 1 cubic foot of H2 (100% efficiency for electrolysis is ~323 btu/cubic foot.) Feed + Fuel for a low export steam reformer now approaches 390-400 btu NG / cubic foot.
Unless you are able to use nuclear or renewable fuel in the generation of H2, from a raw emissions standpoint, you will always be worse off on both an H2O and CO2 basis through electrolysis. On a net emmissions basis, assuming carbon capture on both, you would be roughly the same or better on the reformer assuming 95% capture.
As far as losses on liquid hydrogen, the losses are low. 1-3% loss is accurate for liquid hydrogen. Most losses are not from leakage, but rather venting to maintain tank pressure within safety limits as the liquid hydrogen warms up and vaporizes, therefore heavier insulation to limit losses is cost effective, even on a small tank. In a compressed gas situation losses are as low as 0.1%.
As far as sources for the above information, it’s personal experience. I’m a controller for my company’s California and Canada hydrogen franchise, and as such I deal with the operational and finacial analysis of steam methane reformers every day. Losses quoted by myself here represent what I normally expect to see from my fleet’s operations, which have both liquid and gas pipeline delivery.

Quinx
July 14, 2014 7:03 pm

Fusion . . . any century now.