Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
In a recent interchange over at Joanne Nova’s always interesting blog, I’d said that the slow changes in the sun have little effect on temperature. Someone asked me, well, what about the cold temperatures during the Maunder and Dalton sunspot minima? And I thought … hey, what about them? I realized that like everyone else, up until now I’ve just accepted the idea of cold temperatures being a result of the solar minima as an article of faith … but I’d never actually looked at the data. And in any case, I thought, what temperature data would we have for the Maunder sunspot minimum, which lasted from 1645 to 1715? So … I went back to the original sources, which as always is a very interesting ride, and I learned a lot.
It turns out that this strong association of sunspot minima and temperature is a fairly recent development. Modern interest in the Maunder sunspot minimum was sparked by John Eddy’s 1976 publication of a paper in Science entitled “The Maunder Minimum”. In that paper, Eddy briefly discusses the question of the relationship between the Maunder sunspot minimum and the global temperature, viz:
The coincidence of Maunder’s “prolonged solar minimum” with the coldest excursion of the “Little Ice Age” has been noted by many who have looked at the possible relations between the sun and terrestrial climate (73). A lasting tree-ring anomaly which spans the same period has been cited as evidence of a concurrent drought in the American Southwest (68, 74). There is also a nearly 1 : 1 agreement in sense and time between major excursions in world temperature (as best they are known) and the earlier excursions of the envelope of solar behavior in the record of 14C, particularly when a 14C lag time is allowed for: the Sporer Minimum of the 16th century is coincident with the other severe temperature dip of the Little Ice Age, and the Grand Maximum coincides with the “medieval Climatic Optimum” of the 11th through 13th centuries (75, 76). These coincidences suggest a possible relationship between the overall envelope of the curve of solar activity and terrestrial climate in which the 11-year solar cycle may be effectively filtered out or simply unrelated to the problem. The mechanism of this solar effect on climate may be the simple one of ponderous long-term changes of small amount in the total radiative output of the sun, or solar constant. These long-term drifts in solar radiation may modulate the envelope of the solar cycle through the solar dynamo to produce the observed long-term trends in solar activity. The continuity, or phase, of the 11-year cycle would be independent of this slow, radiative change, but the amplitude could be controlled by it. According to this interpretation, the cyclic coming and going of sunspots would have little effect on the output of solar radiation, or presumably on weather, but the long-term envelope of sunspot activity carries the indelible signature of slow changes in solar radiation which surely affect our climate (77). [see paper for references]
Now, I have to confess, that all struck me as very weak, with more “suggest” and “maybe” and “could” than I prefer in my science. So I thought I’d look to see where he was getting the temperature data to support his claims. It turns out that he was basing his opinion of the temperature during the Maunder minimum on a climate index from H. H. Lamb, viz:
The Little Ice Age lasted roughly from 1430 to 1850 … if we take H. H. Lamb’s index of Paris London Winter Severity as a global indicator.
After some searching, I found the noted climatologist H. H. Lamb’s England winter severity index in his 1965 paper The Early Medieval Warm Epoch And Its Sequel. He doesn’t give the values for his index, but I digitized his graph. Here are Lamb’s results, showing the winter severity in England. Lower values mean more severe winters.
So let me pose you a small puzzle. Knowing that Eddy is basing his claims about a cold Maunder minimum on Lamb’s winter severity index … where in Lamb’s winter severity index would you say that we would find the Maunder and Dalton minima? …
Figure 1. H.H. Lamb’s index of winter severity in England.
As you can see, there is a reasonable variety in the severity of the winters in England. However, it is not immediately apparent just where in there we might find the Maunder and Dalton minima, although there are several clear possibilities. So to move the discussion along, let me reveal where they are:
Figure 2. As in Figure 1, but with the dates of the Maunder and Dalton minima added.
As we might expect, the Maunder minimum is the coldest part of the record. The Dalton minimum is also cold, but not as cold as the Maunder minimum, again as we’d expect. Both of them have warmer periods both before and after the minima, illustrating the effect of the sun on the … on the … hang on … hmmm, that doesn’t look right … let me check my figures …
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Well, imagine that. I forgot to divide by the square root of minus one, so I got the dates kinda mixed up, and I put both the Maunder and the Dalton 220 years early … here are the actual dates of the solar minima shown in Lamb’s winter severity index.
Figure 3. H.H. Lamb’s England winter severity index, 1100-1950, overlaid with the actual dates of the four solar minima ascribed to that period. Values are decadal averages 1100-1110,1110-1120, etc., and are centered on the decade.
As you can see …
• The cooling during the Wolf minimum is indistinguishable from the two immediately previous episodes of cooling, none of which get much below the overall average.
• The temperature during the Sporer minimum is warmer than the temperature before and after the minimum.
• The coldest and second coldest decades in the record were not associated with solar minima.
• The fastest cooling in the record, from the 1425 decade to the 1435 decade, also was not associated with a solar minimum.
• Contrary to what we’d expect, the Maunder minimum warmed from start to finish.
• The Dalton minimum is unremarkable in any manner other than being warmer than the decade before the start and the decade after the end of the minimum. Oh, and like the Maunder, it also warmed steadily over the period of the minimum.
Urk … that’s what Eddy based his claims on. Not impressed.
Let me digress with a bit of history. I began this solar expedition over a decade ago thinking, along with many others, that as they say, “It’s the sun, stupid!”. I, and many other people, took it as an unquestioned and unexamined “fact” that the small variations of the sun, both the 11-year cycles and the solar minima, had a discernible effect on the temperature. As a result, I spent endless hours investigating things like the barycentric movement of the sun. I went so far as to write a spreadsheet to calculate the barycentric movement for any period of history, and compared those results to the temperatures.
But the more I looked, the less I found. So I started looking at the various papers claiming that the 11-year cycle was visible in various climate datasets … still nothing. To date, I’ve written up and posted the results of my search for the 11-year cycle in global sea levels, the Central England Temperature record, sea surface temperatures, tropospheric temperatures, global surface temperatures, rainfall amounts, the Armagh Observatory temperatures, the Armagh Observatory daily temperature ranges, river flows, individual tidal stations, solar wind, the 10Beryllium ice core data, and some others I’ve forgotten … nothing.
Not one of them shows any significant 11-year cycle.
And now, for the first time I’m looking at temperature effects of the solar minima … and I’m in the same boat. The more I look, the less I find.
However, we do have some actual observational evidence for the time period of the most recent of the minima, the Dalton minimum, because the Berkeley Earth temperature record goes back to 1750. And while the record is fragmentary and based on a small number of stations, it’s the best we have, and it is likely quite good for comparison of nearby decades. In any case, here are those results:
Figure 4. The Berkeley Earth land temperature anomaly data, along with the Dalton minimum.
Once again, the data absolutely doesn’t support the idea of the sun ruling the temperature. IF the sun indeed caused the variations during the Dalton minimum, it first made the temperature rise, then fall, then rise again to where it started … sorry, but that doesn’t look anything like what we’d expect. For example, if the low spot around 1815 is caused by low solar input, then why does the temperature start rising then, and rise steadily until the end of the Dalton minimum, while the solar input is not rising at all?
So once again, I can’t find evidence to support the theory. As a result, I will throw the question open to the adherents of the theory … what, in your estimation, is the one best piece of temperature evidence that shows that the solar minima cause cold spells?
Now, a few caveats. First, I want to enlist your knowledge and wisdom in the search, so please just give me your one best shot. I’m not interested in someone dumping the results of a google search for “Maunder” on my desk. I want to know what YOU think is the very best evidence that solar minima cause global cooling.
Next, don’t bother saying “the Little Ice Age is the best evidence”. Yes, the Maunder occurred during the Little Ice Age (LIA). But the Lamb index says that the temperature warmed from the start of the Maunder until the end. Neither the Maunder’s location, which was quite late in the LIA, nor the warming Lamb shows from the start to the end of the Maunder, support the idea that the sun caused the LIA cooling.
Next, please don’t fall into the trap of considering climate model results as data. The problem, as I have shown in a number of posts, is that the global temperature outputs of the modern crop of climate models are nothing but linear transforms of their inputs. And since the models include solar variations among their inputs, those solar variations will indeed appear in the model outputs. If you think that is evidence for solar forcing of temperature … well, this is not the thread for you. So no climate model results, please.
So … what do you think is the one very best piece of evidence that the solar minima actually do affect the temperature, the evidence that you’d stand behind and defend?
My regards to you all,
w.
[UPDATE] In the comments, someone said that the Central England Temperature record shows the cooling effects of the solar minima … I’m not finding it:


As you can see, there is very little support for the “solar minima cause cool temperatures” hypothesis in the CET. Just as in the Lamb winter severity data and the Berkeley Earth data, during both the Dalton and Maunder minima we see the temperature WARMING for the last part of the solar minimum. IF the cause is in fact a solar slump … then why would the earth warm up while the sun is still slumping? And in particular, in the CET the Dalton minimum ends up quite a bit warmer than it started … how on earth does this support the “solar slump” claim, that at the end of the Dalton minimum it’s warmer than at the start?
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Data: Eddy’s paper, The Maunder Minimum
Lamb’s paper, The Early Medieval Warm Epoch And Its Sequel
Berkeley Earth, land temperature anomalies
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@Jimbo
What caused the LIA? My guess is low solar irradiance. Pouillet measured the solar irradiance with a pyrheliometer in 1838 and got a value of 1228 W/m^2 solar constant. Lower than current value of 1361 W/m^2. This translates to -33 W/m^2 TOA radiative forcing. Enough to cause 6 C cooler temperature.
What caused the MWP? My guess is thermohaline circulation. It transports heat to the polar regions and has a cycle time of about 1,000 years. Roman Warm Period occurred ca. 40 AD and MWP ca. 1000 AD. A thousand year interval of warm Greenland and Northern Europe. Places at or near the north polar region.
sturgishooper says:
June 23, 2014 at 10:40 pm
WHAT should be a concern of mine? What are you babbling about now? Are you truly too stupid to QUOTE MY WORDS?
Get back to me when you’re willing to quote whatever I said that has your panties in such a twist. I’m not going to try to guess what it was in my comment that you’re upset about, that’s a fool’s game.
w.
ren said on June 23, 2014 at 11:23 pm:
First shows a strong annual cycle, consistent with being North Hemisphere.
Second shows the International SSN varied all over the place in 2013.
Clearly no connection.
[snip and still off-topic -mod]
“I’m only sceptical of the evidence he is using. I dont think TSI (as proxied by sunspots) is an effective enough measure to be definitive.”
Another person who will not answer willis’ question.
you are skeptical of the evidence he gives, but offer NONE of your own.
Willis is basing his belief on evidence.
1. The sunspot record which he believes is a good proxy for TSI
2. Various temperature records.
And he is concluding based on that evidence that there is no support for the claim that the solar
minimum results in a cold period.
Next he ask people for their evidence.
So, Rud blathers on and basically asserts he has none. Others point at mann proxies,
somebody chatters about sun spots, Nobody but nobody assembles the data and shows why
they believe..
here the thing. Most of you believe this because you were told to
Dr Strangelove,
What happens with the thermohaline circulation?
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.recent.antarctic.png
http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/ocean/surface/currents/overlay=sea_surface_temp_anomaly/orthographic=-27.60,-7.18,276
lsvalgaard
I know that California it is hot but in Scandinavia and Canada, it gets very cold.
http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/atmosphere/radbud/gs19_prd.gif
I am not into the correlation argument, but the Summer 3 months is flat except for a 1995-2000 lift(centre a straight line on 15.5°).Winter definitely has an upward trend, that contributes to the Annual upward trend. Why ? I do not know, may involve more wind movement in Summer.
Thank you for an interesting analysis, but to me it seems to be a correlation, but the sunspots are delayed 2 -3 decades to the temperatures
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Such phase shifts could be explained by physical behavior in the solar interior.
I mean, imagine that both the sunspot level and the temperatures on Earth are caused by some other mechanism in the Sun. This other mechanism may not be directly measurable here on the Earth.
Since we know that sunspots are governed by a quite long cycle, 22 years when counting the magnetic polarity, it would reasonable to assume that the time from that underlying mechanism take effect to the sunspots show up would also be quite long.
If this mechanism affect the temperatures without much delay there would then be a phase shift between temperatures and sunspots.
“71% of this planets surface is ocean. It does not absorb energy as a “near blackbody” but rather as a “selective surface”
Wrong. The best up to date measurements of ocean emissivity in the 8-14 μm range are 0.98 to 0.99. The 8-14 μm range is well-known because of the intense focus on sea surface temperature measurements from satellite. BTW 8-14 um is the longwave infrared a.k.a. “greenhouse effect.”
http://scienceofdoom.com/2010/12/27/emissivity-of-the-ocean/
Do you really can not see that in 2008 there has been a strong spike of ice around Antarctica?
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png
ren
“What happens with the thermohaline circulation?”
Isn’t the 20th century also warm like the MWP? A thousand years interval. Okay MWP was warmer.
From Dr. Strangelove on June 23, 2014 at 11:32 pm:
Pyrheliometer:
ISO was founded 1947, WMO in 1950. So obviously Pouillet wasn’t using today’s calibration standards. Intercalibration with others at that time wouldn’t help much if as a class they read lower than today’s precision instruments.
Without evidence of the accuracy of his instrument, the low reading may be disregarded.
Huh, says here about Claude Pouillet:
While a pioneer, I don’t think his instrument was all that accurate.
The Maunder and the Dalton Minimums may be different beasts. The Maunder is unique in our observed history of the sun. Is there any good explanation for why it happened? The Dalton Minimum on the other hand may just be a natural variation in the sunspot cycle pattern. Would it even have a name if it didn’t coincide with the LIA? If the Maunder is different, we can’t say how it would have affected the climate without knowing how it was different — presumably it was not the lack of sunspots itself, since that is not established for the other times.
lsvalgaard
Are you able to anticipate what will be the winter in the north this year, with a further decline in solar activity?
http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/ocean/surface/currents/overlay=sea_surface_temp_anomaly/orthographic=-78.69,31.97,963
In case you missed it the planet has started to cool due to solar magnetic cycle 24. We can watch the cooling in real time with satellite data. Antarctic sea is in now setting at its highest level in ‘recorded’ history for every month of the year. The Greenland ice sheet has started to cool.
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png
What Willis has discovered by using Lamb’s 1965 winter severity of London and Paris paper with no knowledge of local climate and the jet stream is how the jet stream changes when there are very, very, cold winters in the US. When there are very, very, cold winter temperatures in Canada and the Northern US states the jet stream (Rossby wave) is pulled down which due to the rotation of the earth results in the direction of winds in the London and Paris coming from the South-west rather than the west or North-west.
This is a very interesting paper that explains why the west coast of Europe is much warming than the east coast of the US (same latitude).
http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/id.999,y.0,no.,content.true,page.1,css.print/issue.aspx
The Source of Europe’s Mild Climate
The notion that the Gulf Stream is responsible for keeping Europe anomalously warm turns out to be a myth
If you grow up in England, as I did, a few items of unquestioned wisdom are passed down to you from the preceding generation. Along with stories of a plucky island race with a glorious past and the benefits of drinking unbelievable quantities of milky tea, you will be told that England is blessed with its pleasant climate courtesy of the Gulf Stream, that huge current of warm water that flows northeast across the Atlantic from its source in the Gulf of Mexico. That the Gulf Stream is responsible for Europe’s mild winters is widely known and accepted, but, as I will show, it is nothing more than the earth-science equivalent of an urban legend.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rossby_wave
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/11/08/1000113107.abstract
Synchronized Northern Hemisphere climate change and solar magnetic cycles during the Maunder Minimum
The Maunder Minimum (A.D. 1645–1715) is a useful period to investigate possible sun–climate linkages as sunspots became exceedingly rare and the characteristics of solar cycles were different from those of today. Here, we report annual variations in the oxygen isotopic composition (δ18O) of tree-ring cellulose in central Japan during the Maunder Minimum. We were able to explore possible sun–climate connections through high-temporal resolution solar activity (radiocarbon contents; Δ14C) and climate (δ18O) isotope records derived from annual tree rings. The tree-ring δ18O record in Japan shows distinct negative δ18O spikes (wetter rainy seasons) coinciding with rapid cooling in Greenland and with decreases in Northern Hemisphere mean temperature at around minima of decadal solar cycles.
Thanks for your reply Willis. But isn’t there a difference between finding a significant 11-year cycle in the temperature data and a bigger picture? Do you actually mean that the variability of the sun does not affect the global temperatures at all? So you don’t like averaging. But what about accumulated departure from average, as used here by Jim Goodridge, to see the bigger picture:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/07/california-climate-pdo-lod-and-sunspot-departure/
If I use the same method on both TSI and temperatures, the picture is once again intriguing. When the graph is falling the measurements are less than average and opposite when it is rising. Both the sun and the temperatures data give the the same picture, and the turning points are at the same time. When the sun is below the average of activity for the period, so is the temperature.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pwfy9r19jkz8tfh/HC4%20and%20TSI%20-%20acc%20dep%20from%20av.pdf
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/davis-and-taylor-wuwt-submission.pdf
Davis and Taylor: “Does the current global warming signal reflect a natural cycle”
(William: Yes. Solar magnetic cycle changes cause the cyclic warming and cooling of the planet and cause the abrupt climate changes. The regions of the planet that warmed (high latitude) is the same region that warmed in the last 70 years and the last 30 years.)
…We found 342 natural warming events (NWEs) corresponding to this definition, distributed over the past 250,000 years …. …. The 342 NWEs contained in the Vostok ice core record are divided into low-rate warming events (LRWEs; < 0.74oC/century) and high rate warming events (HRWEs; ≥ 0.74oC /century) (Figure). … ….The current global warming signal is therefore the slowest and among the smallest in comparison with all HRWEs in the Vostok record, although the current warming signal could in the coming decades yet reach the level of past HRWEs for some parameters. The figure shows the most recent 16 HRWEs in the Vostok ice core data during the Holocene, interspersed with a number of LRWEs. …. ….We were delighted to see the paper published in Nature magazine online (August 22, 2012 issue) reporting past climate warming events in the Antarctic similar in amplitude and warming rate to the present global warming signal. The paper, entitled "Recent Antarctic Peninsula warming relative to Holocene climate and ice – shelf history" and authored by Robert Mulvaney and colleagues of the British Antarctic Survey ( Nature , 2012, doi:10.1038/nature11391),reports two recent natural warming cycles, one around 1500 AD and another around 400 AD, measured from isotope (deuterium) concentrations in ice cores bored adjacent to recent breaks in the ice shelf in northeast Antarctica. ….
Greenland ice temperature, last 11,000 years determined from ice core analysis, Richard Alley’s paper. William: As this paper shows there the Greenland Ice data shows that have been 9 warming and cooling periods in the last 11,000 years.
http://www.climate4you.com/images/GISP2%20TemperatureSince10700%20BP%20with%20CO2%20from%20EPICA%20DomeC.gif
Willis said (amongst many other things) about me
‘Not being a mind reader, if a man posts here anonymously to me he is indeed anonymous. I have no way to know who the person posting as tonyb might be. If he wants to post under his own name, he’s free to do so. Until then, he’s anonymous to me, and will be treated as such.’
Willis, over the last 7 years I have made thousands of comments and written around 15 major articles, many of which have been carried here. I post these in my own name. I originally used tonyb as there were numerous Tony Brown’s blogging. I am hardly anonymous.
Each major article takes many months to research. ‘The Long slow thaw part one’ took 2 years and involved travel to various parts of the country as well as desk research. Part 2, which takes the record back to 1200AD at this stage, has taken three years of research which includes much detailed work at places like the Met office library and archive. I have spent my own time and money in researching crop records and other relevant material, and have had items translated from the original Latin scrolls and rediscovered old diaries.
The purpose of all this work is ultimately to try to point out the inaccuracies of the Hockey stick and its spaghetti derivatives. Whatever your opinion on Dr Mann, the HS is still believed at Government and educational level and it is to this market that my articles are increasingly aimed.
I have personally found that more influential doors are opened if you behave in a measured fashion and carry on a dialogue in a restrained and reasonable manner. . You choose polemics to make your points-that is fine. But please do not denigrate other people such as myself merely because our style is different.
I offered some information early on in this thread as I have a very good knowledge of the last 1000 years of climate and are trying to point out-in a different way to you-to those that dictate the climate debate that the climate is much more variable than they have believed. It is a battle I have had with such as the Met office where I was fortunate enough to meet up recently with David Parker who created the 1772 CET record. At the recent Exeter Climate Conference with IPCC reviewers I was fortunate enough to be able to ask a sceptical question (the only one) of Thomas Stocker and had a discussion with Richard Betts.
I am sorry that you appear to be the only person on this blog who does not know me.
We are natural allies for the most part as our aims are the same-to use science to find out more about the climate. Why you choose to misinterpret and attack me I have no idea. .
Good day to you.
tonyb (Tony Brown).
From Toto on June 24, 2014 at 12:38 am:
The Sun is a messy place. It has gone along on its own for billions of years, and we try to find meaning in 11-year twitches because they are meaningful relative to our lifespans.
The Maunder Minimum may be unique since we figured out how to safely view the solar disk and started drawing the specks and counting them, but I doubt it is unique at all for the Sun. Likely such are regular occurrences.
The cyclic abrupt climate changes correlate with solar magnetic cycle changes and correlate with cyclic unexplained abrupt changes to the geomagnetic field. The glacial periods are terminated by a geomagnetic excursion which is interesting as a very, very rapid geomagnetic excursion is currently underway.
Has anyone looked at the Swarm data? Why the sudden interesting in the geomagnetic field?
http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Observing_the_Earth/Swarm/Swarm_reveals_Earth_s_changing_magnetism
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005AGUFMGP44A..02S
Historical observations document ~1100 km change in the position of the North Magnetic Pole (NMP) over the last century. This movement has accelerated over the last few decades to an astonishing 40 km/yr and along with the diminishing intensity of the dipole field has led to speculation of imminent reversal or excursion.
Is the geodynamo process intrinsically unstable?
http://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/416/
http://cio.eldoc.ub.rug.nl/FILES/root/1999/QuatSciRevvGeel/1999QuatSciRevvGeel.pdf
“The role of solar forcing upon climate change”
When solar activity is high, the extended solar magnetic field sweeps through interplanetary space, thereby more effectively shielding the Earth from cosmic rays and reducing the production of 14C. Low solar activity lets more cosmic rays enter the Earth’s atmosphere, producing more 14C. So the 14C record is a good proxy for the solar radiant output (Bard et al., 1997).
However, explaining the observed changes in 14C concentration by production-rate variations alone is too simple an assumption, the more so when rapid 14C concentration changes appear to be coincident with significant changes in climate.
However, if we observe sudden, major 14C increases like the ones starting at c. 850 cal. BC and at c. 1600 AD (about 20 per mil), it is hard to imagine any change in the global carbon cycle that can bring about such a drastic fast change, simply because there is no reservoir of carbon with higher 14C concentration available anywhere on Earth. Even a sudden stop of the upwelling of old carbon-containing deep water could not cause the sudden (within decades) 14C concentration increases that are documented in the dendrochronological records. So, if we observe that such a sudden 14C increase, which must be caused by a production increase, is accompanied by indications for a change towards colder or wetter climate, this may indicate that solar forcing of the climate does exist. In theory, increased production of cosmogenic isotopes can also have a cause of cosmic origin such as a nearby supernova (Sonnett et al., 1987). We consider this scenario unlikely, and note here that events such as the 850 cal. BC peak are present in the dendrochronological curve with a periodicity of about 2400 years (Stuiver and Braziunas, 1989; see below).
“A number of those Holocene climate cooling phases… most likely of a global nature (eg Magney, 1993; van Geel et al, 1996; Alley et al 1997; Stager & Mayewski, 1997) … the cooling phases seem to be part of a millennial-scale climatic cycle operating independent of the glacial-interglacial cycles (which are) forced (perhaps paced) by orbit variations.”
“… we show here evidence that the variation in solar activity is a cause for the millennial scale climate change.”
Last 40 kyrs
Figure 2 in paper. (From data last 40 kyrs)… “conclude that solar forcing of climate, as indicated by high BE10 values, coincided with cold phases of Dansgaar-Oeschger events as shown in O16 records”
Recent Solar Event
“Maunder Minimum (1645-1715) “…coincides with one of the coldest phases of the Little Ice Age… (van Geel et al 1998b)
Periodicity
“Mayewski et al (1997) showed a 1450 yr periodicity in C14 … from tree rings and …from glaciochemicial series (NaCl & Dust) from the GISP2 ice core … believed to reflect changes in polar atmospheric circulation..”
Dr. Strangelove says:
June 24, 2014 at 12:13 am
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“Wrong. The best up to date measurements of ocean emissivity in the 8-14 μm range are 0.98 to 0.99.”
I’m not sure you understand the difference between “near blackbody” and “selective surface”. I have a comment trapped in moderation that has the relevant empirical experiment.
As to the IR emissivity of water, this is just one factor in determining how it reacts as a selective surface. For selective surfaces, UV/SW absorption and IR emission can have different values, and for water they most certainly do.
IR emissivity values for water above 0.9 are what should be used for in situ IR measurement. This is an issue of “apparent emissivity”, covering holdraum and cavity effect. The “effective emissivity” is very different.
To determine effective emissivity, it is necessary to measure with all background IR eliminated. I have taken emissivity measurements of water under a cryo cooled “sky”. I can only cool down to -40C at this stage, but that has been enough to determine that the effective emissivity of liquid water is lower than 0.8. I suspect older texts showing 0.67 may be correct, but I do not have the equipment to reduce background to 3K.
Now what did climastrologists use for their “settled science” calculations? Effective or apparent emissivity? Again my claim “97% of climastrologists are assclowns” is substantiated…
PS. I still remember what you tried at Dr. Spencer’s site.
As always Willis you are asking some good questions. However, I don’t think your attempt to reduce Maunder and Dalton minima to some sort of binary on/off representation is particularly helpful or informative.
Whenever I see this kind of coloured band on a graph I know someone is trying to lead my eye. Show me the data.
Here I’ve used Svalgaard’s “corrected” SSN and CET
http://climategrog.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=973
It seems that warming coming out of Dalton matches SSN fairly well, despite what your choice of end date suggests. If anything there is a discrepancy going into Dalton.
It’s clear that there is more to CET than slavishly following SSN but there does seem to be grounds for suggesting a long term link between the two. In fact I’d never realised how well it matched the 1960 dip, probably because I’ve always looked at rather misleading ‘global’ averages rather than CET.
It is also interesting to note that cooling following Mt Agung, El Chichon and Mt Pinatubo all coincide with solar minima. If anything Pinatubo can be associated with _warming_ towards the end of the decade, since the dip in temps is far less
http://climategrog.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=974
http://climategrog.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=955
Further evidence of the long term warming effect of vulcanism.
Here you can see how important it is circulation for cooling. Waves zonal in the stratosphere circulation controls the. Temperature anomalies of ozone in the ozone are due to changes in solar activity. Solar activity fell in April and is immediately visible at ozone.
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/strat-trop/gif_files/time_pres_TEMP_ANOM_ALL_EQ_2014.gif
http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-78.69,31.97,963