Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
In a recent interchange over at Joanne Nova’s always interesting blog, I’d said that the slow changes in the sun have little effect on temperature. Someone asked me, well, what about the cold temperatures during the Maunder and Dalton sunspot minima? And I thought … hey, what about them? I realized that like everyone else, up until now I’ve just accepted the idea of cold temperatures being a result of the solar minima as an article of faith … but I’d never actually looked at the data. And in any case, I thought, what temperature data would we have for the Maunder sunspot minimum, which lasted from 1645 to 1715? So … I went back to the original sources, which as always is a very interesting ride, and I learned a lot.
It turns out that this strong association of sunspot minima and temperature is a fairly recent development. Modern interest in the Maunder sunspot minimum was sparked by John Eddy’s 1976 publication of a paper in Science entitled “The Maunder Minimum”. In that paper, Eddy briefly discusses the question of the relationship between the Maunder sunspot minimum and the global temperature, viz:
The coincidence of Maunder’s “prolonged solar minimum” with the coldest excursion of the “Little Ice Age” has been noted by many who have looked at the possible relations between the sun and terrestrial climate (73). A lasting tree-ring anomaly which spans the same period has been cited as evidence of a concurrent drought in the American Southwest (68, 74). There is also a nearly 1 : 1 agreement in sense and time between major excursions in world temperature (as best they are known) and the earlier excursions of the envelope of solar behavior in the record of 14C, particularly when a 14C lag time is allowed for: the Sporer Minimum of the 16th century is coincident with the other severe temperature dip of the Little Ice Age, and the Grand Maximum coincides with the “medieval Climatic Optimum” of the 11th through 13th centuries (75, 76). These coincidences suggest a possible relationship between the overall envelope of the curve of solar activity and terrestrial climate in which the 11-year solar cycle may be effectively filtered out or simply unrelated to the problem. The mechanism of this solar effect on climate may be the simple one of ponderous long-term changes of small amount in the total radiative output of the sun, or solar constant. These long-term drifts in solar radiation may modulate the envelope of the solar cycle through the solar dynamo to produce the observed long-term trends in solar activity. The continuity, or phase, of the 11-year cycle would be independent of this slow, radiative change, but the amplitude could be controlled by it. According to this interpretation, the cyclic coming and going of sunspots would have little effect on the output of solar radiation, or presumably on weather, but the long-term envelope of sunspot activity carries the indelible signature of slow changes in solar radiation which surely affect our climate (77). [see paper for references]
Now, I have to confess, that all struck me as very weak, with more “suggest” and “maybe” and “could” than I prefer in my science. So I thought I’d look to see where he was getting the temperature data to support his claims. It turns out that he was basing his opinion of the temperature during the Maunder minimum on a climate index from H. H. Lamb, viz:
The Little Ice Age lasted roughly from 1430 to 1850 … if we take H. H. Lamb’s index of Paris London Winter Severity as a global indicator.
After some searching, I found the noted climatologist H. H. Lamb’s England winter severity index in his 1965 paper The Early Medieval Warm Epoch And Its Sequel. He doesn’t give the values for his index, but I digitized his graph. Here are Lamb’s results, showing the winter severity in England. Lower values mean more severe winters.
So let me pose you a small puzzle. Knowing that Eddy is basing his claims about a cold Maunder minimum on Lamb’s winter severity index … where in Lamb’s winter severity index would you say that we would find the Maunder and Dalton minima? …
Figure 1. H.H. Lamb’s index of winter severity in England.
As you can see, there is a reasonable variety in the severity of the winters in England. However, it is not immediately apparent just where in there we might find the Maunder and Dalton minima, although there are several clear possibilities. So to move the discussion along, let me reveal where they are:
Figure 2. As in Figure 1, but with the dates of the Maunder and Dalton minima added.
As we might expect, the Maunder minimum is the coldest part of the record. The Dalton minimum is also cold, but not as cold as the Maunder minimum, again as we’d expect. Both of them have warmer periods both before and after the minima, illustrating the effect of the sun on the … on the … hang on … hmmm, that doesn’t look right … let me check my figures …
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Well, imagine that. I forgot to divide by the square root of minus one, so I got the dates kinda mixed up, and I put both the Maunder and the Dalton 220 years early … here are the actual dates of the solar minima shown in Lamb’s winter severity index.
Figure 3. H.H. Lamb’s England winter severity index, 1100-1950, overlaid with the actual dates of the four solar minima ascribed to that period. Values are decadal averages 1100-1110,1110-1120, etc., and are centered on the decade.
As you can see …
• The cooling during the Wolf minimum is indistinguishable from the two immediately previous episodes of cooling, none of which get much below the overall average.
• The temperature during the Sporer minimum is warmer than the temperature before and after the minimum.
• The coldest and second coldest decades in the record were not associated with solar minima.
• The fastest cooling in the record, from the 1425 decade to the 1435 decade, also was not associated with a solar minimum.
• Contrary to what we’d expect, the Maunder minimum warmed from start to finish.
• The Dalton minimum is unremarkable in any manner other than being warmer than the decade before the start and the decade after the end of the minimum. Oh, and like the Maunder, it also warmed steadily over the period of the minimum.
Urk … that’s what Eddy based his claims on. Not impressed.
Let me digress with a bit of history. I began this solar expedition over a decade ago thinking, along with many others, that as they say, “It’s the sun, stupid!”. I, and many other people, took it as an unquestioned and unexamined “fact” that the small variations of the sun, both the 11-year cycles and the solar minima, had a discernible effect on the temperature. As a result, I spent endless hours investigating things like the barycentric movement of the sun. I went so far as to write a spreadsheet to calculate the barycentric movement for any period of history, and compared those results to the temperatures.
But the more I looked, the less I found. So I started looking at the various papers claiming that the 11-year cycle was visible in various climate datasets … still nothing. To date, I’ve written up and posted the results of my search for the 11-year cycle in global sea levels, the Central England Temperature record, sea surface temperatures, tropospheric temperatures, global surface temperatures, rainfall amounts, the Armagh Observatory temperatures, the Armagh Observatory daily temperature ranges, river flows, individual tidal stations, solar wind, the 10Beryllium ice core data, and some others I’ve forgotten … nothing.
Not one of them shows any significant 11-year cycle.
And now, for the first time I’m looking at temperature effects of the solar minima … and I’m in the same boat. The more I look, the less I find.
However, we do have some actual observational evidence for the time period of the most recent of the minima, the Dalton minimum, because the Berkeley Earth temperature record goes back to 1750. And while the record is fragmentary and based on a small number of stations, it’s the best we have, and it is likely quite good for comparison of nearby decades. In any case, here are those results:
Figure 4. The Berkeley Earth land temperature anomaly data, along with the Dalton minimum.
Once again, the data absolutely doesn’t support the idea of the sun ruling the temperature. IF the sun indeed caused the variations during the Dalton minimum, it first made the temperature rise, then fall, then rise again to where it started … sorry, but that doesn’t look anything like what we’d expect. For example, if the low spot around 1815 is caused by low solar input, then why does the temperature start rising then, and rise steadily until the end of the Dalton minimum, while the solar input is not rising at all?
So once again, I can’t find evidence to support the theory. As a result, I will throw the question open to the adherents of the theory … what, in your estimation, is the one best piece of temperature evidence that shows that the solar minima cause cold spells?
Now, a few caveats. First, I want to enlist your knowledge and wisdom in the search, so please just give me your one best shot. I’m not interested in someone dumping the results of a google search for “Maunder” on my desk. I want to know what YOU think is the very best evidence that solar minima cause global cooling.
Next, don’t bother saying “the Little Ice Age is the best evidence”. Yes, the Maunder occurred during the Little Ice Age (LIA). But the Lamb index says that the temperature warmed from the start of the Maunder until the end. Neither the Maunder’s location, which was quite late in the LIA, nor the warming Lamb shows from the start to the end of the Maunder, support the idea that the sun caused the LIA cooling.
Next, please don’t fall into the trap of considering climate model results as data. The problem, as I have shown in a number of posts, is that the global temperature outputs of the modern crop of climate models are nothing but linear transforms of their inputs. And since the models include solar variations among their inputs, those solar variations will indeed appear in the model outputs. If you think that is evidence for solar forcing of temperature … well, this is not the thread for you. So no climate model results, please.
So … what do you think is the one very best piece of evidence that the solar minima actually do affect the temperature, the evidence that you’d stand behind and defend?
My regards to you all,
w.
[UPDATE] In the comments, someone said that the Central England Temperature record shows the cooling effects of the solar minima … I’m not finding it:


As you can see, there is very little support for the “solar minima cause cool temperatures” hypothesis in the CET. Just as in the Lamb winter severity data and the Berkeley Earth data, during both the Dalton and Maunder minima we see the temperature WARMING for the last part of the solar minimum. IF the cause is in fact a solar slump … then why would the earth warm up while the sun is still slumping? And in particular, in the CET the Dalton minimum ends up quite a bit warmer than it started … how on earth does this support the “solar slump” claim, that at the end of the Dalton minimum it’s warmer than at the start?
The Usual Request: I know this almost never happens, but if you disagree with something that I or someone else has said, please have the common courtesy to QUOTE THEIR EXACT WORDS that you disagree with. This prevents much confusion and misunderstanding.
Data: Eddy’s paper, The Maunder Minimum
Lamb’s paper, The Early Medieval Warm Epoch And Its Sequel
Berkeley Earth, land temperature anomalies
lsvalgaard, how you foresee solar activity?
http://soho.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/hmi_igr/1024/latest.jpg
William Astley says:
What Willis has discovered by using Lamb’s 1965 winter severity of London and Paris paper with no knowledge of local climate and the jet stream is how the jet stream changes when there are very, very, cold winters in the US. When there are very, very, cold winter temperatures in Canada and the Northern US states the jet stream (Rossby wave) is pulled down which due to the rotation of the earth results in the direction of winds in the London and Paris coming from the South-west rather than the west or North-west.
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Willis says:
“Lags are “completely ignored” in climate science? Don’t make me laugh”.
This is the MAIN reason the climate alarmists, as well as the IPCC, dismiss late 20th century warming as being solar related. They even convinced David Attenborough of looming climate catastrophe over this very concept. Hansen has even invented some sort of equilibrium ‘constant’, in more recent years to explain it away. (I can’t figure it out, but it perhaps echoes Einstein’s cosmological constant). John Cook’s website got all in a befuddle over the very mention of solar heat lag, because they keep repeating ad infinitum that late 20th century warming wasn’t solar related, because it doesn’t match solar activity on a yearly basis.
Alec Rawls has a good post on this site which says exactly the same thing, most alarmist research papers (he makes a good list of them-Usoskin, Sherwood etc) on solar activity say exactly the same thing; they have not factored in multi-decadal solar heat lag in their dismissal of late 20th century warming (in collaboration with the positive PDO at the time). They assume equilibrium of the oceans and atmosphere with the sun is almost instantaneous, otherwise they have a real problem on their hands-late 20th century warming would not then be attributed mainly to C02.
Roy Spencer says a paper of his in recent years was rejected over exactly the same concept, the reviewer stated he wouldn’t even accept a modification because Spencer suggested that warming from the sun could have occurred after a lag in time and without the sun going up at exactly the same time-he describes this paper’s rejection, as well as mentioning the pot on the stove story-in his book The Great Global Warming Blunder.
Solar heat lag is a concept that repeatedly gets rejected because it opens up the major issue of what the IPCC relies on, most warming since the mid 20th century has to have been caused by c02 and not the sun because solar activity was not increasing at the time; if you have multi-decadal solar heat lag, this concept breaks down spectacularly. And the IPCC is then in a major befuddle.
Toto says, June 24, 2014 at 12:38 am
Try this on for size: http://www.raa-journal.org/raa/index.php/raa/article/download/253/147
Greg Goodman said on June 24, 2014 at 1:17 am:
The data source link to ERBE in your post is 404.
Your graph gives the following data source:
http://eosweb.larc.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/project/erbe/edition3_rev1/Edition3_Rev1_wfov_sf_monthly_tropics.txt
It says: ERBE WFOV Edition3 Revision1 Monthly Means of TOA Fluxes, Solar Incidence, and Albedo (20N – 20S)
Thankfully 20N-20S for tropics matches UAH, per the readme at the lower troposphere data directory:
http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/msu/t2lt/
Although WoodForTrees users will notice for HADCRUT4 tropics they use 30S-30N.
So your “evidence” is for a narrow band of the planet, not global.
Mount Pinatubo erupted on June 15, 1991. It’s at 15°08’30″N so it is in the defined tropics band.
But then global temperatures dropped about 0.5°C for a bit. Your graph shows a bump, temperatures had a brief upward pulse. But longer term there was cooling, to about 2000 where the graph ends.
However as Eschenbach showed in Volcanic Disruptions in 2012, for global temperatures there was a quick recovery from the cooling.
Thus you have decidedly not presented “…evidence of the long term warming effect of vulcanism.”
PS: It’s spelled “volcanism”. A vulcanism is a particular type of wise-sounding saying, like “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one” or “Only Nixon could go to China”.
Such a distribution of ozone in the north causes specific circulation.
http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/atmosphere/ozone/toast/images/toast_nh.png
http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/850hPa/orthographic=-47.52,56.01,318
You can see it very accurately over the Atlantic. Click Earth.
From William Astley on June 24, 2014 at 12:40 am:
http://woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1979/to:2014/mean:13/normalise/plot/rss/from:1979/to:2014/mean:13/normalise/plot/sidc-ssn/from:1979/to:2014/mean:13/normalise
Wow. I don’t know what you get there, but don’t hog the bong, man, there’s a lot of people on this thread who’d like a hit of that stuff.
Toto. Then there’s this … (plus what we’ve already seen this cycle, which has a while to go yet).
http://geo.phys.spbu.ru/~ned/Publications.files/Zolotova_Ponyavin_2007_Solar_P.pdf
Whew! What a can of worms!
When apparent climate cycles appear in the historical and geological record, why assume that there are single drivers like solar or CO2? What are the apparent congruences? Which of these factors or it’s absence remains in effect long enough to maintain a warm or cold cycle?
Just askin.’
Here are just a few posts relevant to solar heat lag, often ignored or explained away by alarmists:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/03/22/does-solar-activity-have-to-keep-going-up-to-cause-warming-mike-lockwood-responds-3/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/02/do-solar-scientists-still-think-that-recent-warming-is-too-large-to-explain-by-solar-activity/
Us see the distribution of ozone over the South Pole. High levels of ozone near Australia inhibits the polar vortex.
http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/atmosphere/ozone/toast/images/toast_sh.png
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/strat_a_f/gif_files/gfs_z100_sh_f00.gif
You keep using that word …
From Greg Goodman on June 24, 2014 at 1:15 am:
By your graph, from 1790 to 1830 the CET held steady, dipped, then soared. SSN was a trough between highs. Coming out of the Dalton, SSN dipped about 1840 while CET peaked.
If anything, your graph ably shows SSN and CET are not related, too many trends going in too many different directions.
commieBob says:
June 24, 2014 at 3:42 am
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“You keep using that word …”
Yep, it means what he says it means.
Oh, wait? Were you into that lukewarmer pseudo science?
So sad…
This image shows exactly what is happening with the southern polar circle.
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/strat_a_f/gif_files/gfs_t10_sh_f00.gif
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/strat_a_f/gif_files/gfs_z10_sh_f00.gif
From ren on June 24, 2014 at 5:01 am:
Yep, both images show the “hole” over the South Pole, often known as the Ozone Hole.
What about it?
How does one explain away the coincidence factor? These minimums fall within the LIA, and whilst a direct cause and effect cannot be charted via severities and temps, could there be another mechanism at work? What about the sunspot activity in the ~100 year interludes between minimums, is there ‘normal’ sunspot activity?
Let us hypothesize the swing-set reason where your child’s demand for “higher!” requires you to push. When you don’t push momentum is lost. Maintaining an equilibrium is easier if there is a constant push. When you stop pushing and your child demand again to go higher, it takes more work to reach that equilibrium again (depending on weight and strength). Could it be that the sun/earth relationship has an equilibrium point? Has anyone tested that point? What if we stray to far above or below that point? Is it logical that the reason we don’t see an 11 year correlation is because it takes multiple cycles below ‘normal’ to create a decreased temp (with the opposite being true for increased temp)?
Willis
Before you throw Lamb under the bus, you need to read his entire book, “Climate History of the Modern World”.
I’m in agreement with Rod Leman (The 2nd Comment in the list of Comments); and I quote: “rod leman says:
June 23, 2014 at 12:14 pm
Well, I would say that it is an incorrect analysis to compare temp with any single forcing. There are multiple forcings for Average Global Temp and to make a logical comparison of Temp vs the Solar Intensity you have to adjust the temp graph to EXclude other temp forcings like atypical volcanic activity, El Nino/La Nina, etc.”
Many folks have been alarmed or annoyed by fabricated visions of Warming. It takes but one 24 hour cycle for everyone to realize that the Sun affects temperature. The Sun is Earth’s Warmest neighbor. However, it’s severe Cold which gravely harms Life – and Cold also creates Drought. Historically, extinctions of Life are associated with Asteroid/Volcanic Activity .. which significantly block the Sun’s radiation for extended periods of Time – causing Earth’s Temps to swiftly plummet as if the Sun Itself were turned off. Cold Kills. Dinosaurs and more (upwards of 90% of all Life’s species) were wiped out at the K-T boundary of 65.5 million years ago. Two catastrophic events occurred at that time: A) The massive Chicxulub/Yucatan Asteroid and B) The very massive volcanic Deccan Flats event in India. THE POINT? Yes, Earth’s Climate is not only affected by the Sun.
If you are talking CET you are talking AMO. Knudsen et al 2014 is a good paper claiming external forcing of the AMO. They find it interesting that their break off point for finding good correlations is 1775 when comparing the AMO to solar and volcanic forcing. I’m not sure how it would look if combined and scaled with the reconstruction of Gulf Stream transport Lund et al 2006 which goes from fairly flat to a positive trend at about this time.
Dr. Strangelove says:
June 24, 2014 at 12:13 am
“71% of this planets surface is ocean. It does not absorb energy as a “near blackbody” but rather as a “selective surface”
Wrong. The best up to date measurements of ocean emissivity in the 8-14 μm range are 0.98 to 0.99. The 8-14 μm range is well-known because of the intense focus on sea surface temperature measurements from satellite. BTW 8-14 um is the longwave infrared a.k.a. “greenhouse effect.”
Typical of you to talk emissivity when Konrad talks Absorption, can’t you even read what he has said?
And the Sun doesn’t rule the heating. Hmmm. As far as I am concerned, you can turn the furnace back in the house, slosh the water in the indoor pool back and forth until hell freezes over, and you are not going to warm the house. Yes, the Sun DOES rule the temperature, we just don’t know the exact way how it does it.
Reason for the CET getting in and out of phase with the SNN envelope is likely due to the fact that the CET is equally affected by two major variables N. Atlantic SST (warming) and Icelandic Low atmospheric pressure system (cooling).
Although they exist along each other, they run with slightly different multidecadal periods (based on data since 1860s).
willis
You said
“As you can see, there is very little support for the “solar minima cause cool temperatures” hypothesis in the CET.”
I agree with you . I think there is perhaps more support for the cycles of North Atlantic ocean SST being a factor behind the cool CET temperatures during past major solar minima .Bob Tisdale demonstrated a 65-70 year Atlantic ocean SST cycle between 1880 and 2010 .If we extend a 70 cycle back,, troughs in this cycle correspond with low CET temperature or troughs and they just happen to also be during major solar minima .
Here are periods when North Atlantic SST was in the cool mode using a 70 year cycle
1940 to 1975
1870 to 1910[Minimum 1880-1910]
1800 to 1835[Dalton minimum 1790-1820]
1730 to 1765
1660 to 1695 [Maunder minimum 1645-1715]
1590 to 1625
1520 to 1555 [Sporer minimum 1460-1550]
1450 to 1485 [ Sporer minimum 1460-1550]
Willis Eschenbach says:
June 23, 2014 at 9:29 pm
“Gosh, I didn’t know that, Ulric. What is the name of that minimum, so I can refer to it in future?
Or are we supposed to call it the “Ulric Minimum”, after the first person I’ve heard refer to it as a “solar minimum””
It is occasionally referred to as the Gleissberg Minimum.
“You seem confused about cause and effect. At the end of the Dalton minimum, the temperature was well above what it was at the start … why?”
On the contrary, you were confused into thinking that “there is very little support for the “solar minima cause cool temperatures” hypothesis in the CET.””, and you are confused about how long Dalton is, it not does reach to 2030 by any means. The start of Dalton is actually SC5 from 1798, and the coldest run of years are from 1807 to 1817.
“You seem to think that because the Maunder minimum OCCURRED near the end of the Little Ice Age, it CAUSED the Little Ice Age. Nothing could be further from the truth. Any solar minimum that happened to occur during the LIA would have cold temperatures … so what?”
Nothing could be further from the truth, the LIA would not exist without the solar minima that occurred through it. And Maunder was not near the end.
“As to the famous “Ulric Minimum” of cycles 12-14 … you’ll have to wait until it gets re-named by an official body before it enters into anyone’s calculations.”
I can plot that the next one starts in the 2090’s, and will last 4 solar cycles, I can name it the Lyons Minimum.