Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
I’ve been listening to lots of stuff lately about tidal cycles. These exist, to be sure. However, they are fairly complex, and they only repeat (and even then only approximately) every 54 years 34 days. They also repeat (even more approximately) every 1/3 of that 54+ year cycle, which is 18 years 11 days 8 hours. This is called a “Saros cycle”. So folks talk about those cycles, and the 9 year half-Saros-cycle, and the like. The 54+ year cycle gets a lot of airtime, because people claim it is reflected in a sinusoidal approximately 54-year cycle in the for example the HadCRUT temperature records.
Now, I originally approached this tidal question from the other end. I used to run a shipyard in the Solomon Islands. The Government there was the only source of tide tables at the time, and they didn’t get around to printing them until late in the year, September or so. As a result, I had to make my own. The only thing I had for data was a printed version of the tide tables for the previous year.
What I found out then was that for any location, the tides can be calculated as a combination of “tidal constituents” of varying periods. As you might imagine, the strongest tidal constituents are half-daily, daily, monthly, and yearly. These represent the rotations of the earth, sun, and moon. There’s a list of the various tidal constituents here, none of which are longer than a year.
Figure 1. Total tidal force exerted on the Earth by the combination of the sun and the moon.
So what puzzled me even back then was, why are there no longer-period cycles used to predict the tides? Why don’t we use cycles of 18+ and 54.1 years to predict the tides?
Being a back to basics, start-from-the-start kind of guy, I reckoned that I’d just get the astronomical data, figure out the tidal force myself, and see what cycles it contains. It’s not all that complex, and the good folks at the Jet Propulsion Lab have done all the hard work with calculating the positions of the sun and moon. So off I went to JPL to get a couple hundred years data, and I calculated the tidal forces day by day. Figure 1 above shows a look at a section of my results:
These results were quite interesting to me, because they clearly show the two main influences (solar and lunar). Figure 1 also shows that the variations do not have a cycle of exactly a year—the high and low spots shift over time with respect to the years. Also, the maximum amplitude varies year to year.
For ease of calculation, I used geocentric (Earth centered) coordinates. I got the positions of the sun and moon for the same time each day from 1 January 2000 for the next 200 years, out to 1 Jan 2200. Then I calculated the tidal force for each of those days (math in the appendix). That gave me the result you see in Figure 1.
However, what I was interested in was the decomposition of the tidal force into its component cycles. In particular, I was looking for any 9 year, 18+ year, or 54.1 year cycles. So I did what you might expect. I did a Fourier analysis of the tidal cycles. Figure 2 shows those results at increasingly longer scales from top to bottom.
Figure 2. Fourier analysis of the tidal forces acting on the earth. Each succeeding graph shows a longer time period. Note the increasing scale.
The top panel shows the short-term components. These are strongest at one day, and at 29.5 days, with side peaks near the 29.5 day lunar cycle, and with weaker half-month cycles as well.
The second panel shows cycles out to 18 months. Note that the new Y-axis scale is eight times the old scale, to show the much smaller annual cycles. There are 12 month and 13.5 month cycles visible in the data, along with much smaller half-cycles (6 months and 6.75 months). You can see the difference in the scales by comparing the half-month (15 day) cycles in the top two panels.
The third panel shows cycles out to 20 years, to investigate the question of the 9 and 18+ year cycles … no joy, although there is the tiniest of cycles at about 8.75 years. Again, I’ve increased the scale, this time by 5X. You can visualize the difference by comparing the half-year (6-7 month) cycles in the second and third panels. At this scale, any 9 or 18+ year cycles would be very visible … bad news. There are no such cycles in decomposition of the data.
Finally, the fourth panel is the longest, to look for the 54 year cycle. Again, there is no such underlying sine-wave cycle.
Now, those last two panels were a surprise to me. Why are we not finding any 9, 18+, or 54 year cycle in the Fourier transform? Well … what I realized after considering this for a while is that there is not a slow sine wave fifty-four years in length in the data. Instead, the 54 years is just the length of time that goes by before a long, complex superposition of sine waves approximately repeats itself.
And the same thing is true about the 18-year Saros cycle. It’s not a gradual nine-year increase and subsequent nine-year decrease in the tidal force, as I had imagined it. Instead, it’s just the (approximate) repeat period of a complex waveform.
As a result, I fear that the common idea that the apparent ~60 year cycle in the HadCRUT temperatures is related to the 54-year tidal cycles simply isn’t true … because that 54 year repeating cycle is not a sine wave. Instead, looks like this:
Figure 3. The 54 year 34 day repetitive tidal cycle. This is the average of the 54-year 34-day cycles over the 200 years of data 2000-2200.
Now, as you can see, that is hardly the nice sine wave that folks would like to think modulates the HadCRUT4 temperatures …
This exemplifies a huge problem that I see happening. People say “OK, there’s an 18+ year Saros cycle, so I can divide that by 2. Then I’ll figure the beat frequency of that 9+ year cycle with the 8.55 year cycle of the precession of the lunar apsides, and then apply that to the temperature data …”
I’m sure that you can see the problems with that approach. You can’t take the Saros cycle, or the 54+ year cycle, and cut it in half and get a beat frequency against something else, because it’s not a sine wave, as people think.
Look, folks, with all the planets and moons up there, we can find literally hundreds and hundreds of varying length astronomical cycles. But the reality, as we see above, is not as simple as just grabbing frequencies that fit our theory, or making a beat frequency from two astronomical cycles.
So let me suggest that people who want to use astronomical cycles do what I did—plot out the real-life, actual cycle that you’re talking about. Don’t just grab the period of a couple of cycles, take the beat frequency, and call it good …
For example, if you want to claim that the combined tidal forces of Jupiter and Saturn on the sun have an effect on the climate, you can’t just grab the periods and fit the phase and amplitude to the HadCRUT data. Instead, you need to do the hard lifting, calculate the actual Jupiter-Saturn tidal forces on the sun, and see if it still makes sense.
Best regards to everyone, it’s still raining here. Last week, people were claiming that the existence of the California drought “proved” that global warming was real … this week, to hear them talk, the existence of the California floods proves the same thing.
In other words … buckle down, it’s gonna be a long fight for climate sanity, Godot’s not likely to show up for a while …
w.
THE USUAL: If you disagree with something that I or someone else said, please quote the exact words you disagree with, and tell us why. That way, we can all understand what you object to, and the exact nature of your objection.
CALCULATIONS: For ease of calculations, I downloaded the data for the sun and moon in the form of cartesian geocentric (Earth-centered) coordinates. This gave me the x, y, and z values for the moon and sun at each instant. I then calculated the distances as the square root of the sum of the squares of the xyz coordinates. The cosine of the angle between them at any instant is
(sun_x * moon_x + sun_y * moon_y + sun_z * moon_z) / (sun_distance * moon_distance)
and the combined tidal force is then
sqrt( sun_force^2 + moon_force^2 + 2* sun_force * moon_force * cos(angle))
DATA AND CODE: The original sun and moon data from JPL are here (moon) and here (sun), 20 Mb text files. The relevant data from those two files, in the form of a 13 Mb R “save()” file, is here and the R code is here.
EQUATIONS: The tidal force is equal to 2 * G * m1 * m2 * r / d^3, where G is the gravitational constant, m1 and m2 are the masses of the two objects, d is the distance between them, and r is the radius of the object where we’re calculating the tides (assuming that r is much, much smaller than d).
A good derivation of the equation for tidal force is given here.
This goes some way to validating my suggestion that the N.Pacific / N.Atlantic 9.07 is a combination of 8.85 and 9.3 year lunar cycles.
http://climategrog.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=755
This is not just a climate neutral displacement of water since the same 9.3 is present when the two regions are analysed together.
http://climategrog.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=774
This would suggest that as warm water is exported, tropical climate feedbacks act to warm up the cooler SST exposed thus raising the average of the whole ocean. More investigation of timing needed to verify that.
Greg: Yes – of course. In the other oceans you will get both happening all the time because they swap sides around the Equator, in the Indian one of those bumps is on land. So a rectified full wave.
Mind you the two tides look completely different in spacial layout.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c274/richardlinsleyhood/K1Tides_zps453d8381.png
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c274/richardlinsleyhood/M2Tides_zps758f7faa.png
Thanks for those graphs, quite enlightening. Looks like it may be mainly M2 i’ve picked up there.
BTW that a beautiful example of a standing wave right around the equator. Just Africa seems to disturb it a bit.
It also helps to see what ENSO is about and why Ninjo_3.4 region ties in with N.Pacific and N. Atlantic.
I’ve always found it rather dubious the way some people suggest that tiny region has a effect on world climate. I’ve said common cause would be more likely. I think we can see the common cause there. I’ll have to bookmark that. Could you post the source URLs for that?
Willis
Thanks for your response:
Since you are a man without the courage to sign his own words and thus to have an actual history like an honest man has, for you to accuse me of “having form” is cowardly.
This seems like a fair point on the face of it. But I always sign as cd not as anything else. The reason it is anonymous is that, even though I may be writing as a private individual, anything I do can be projected onto my employers. Climate change as you know has become a bit of a political football – I can’t risk losing my job. So do you expect me to never express a point of view on a blog, the strength of which comes from the freedom to speak openly without spiteful retribution.
No … because it’s not a 1-D vector
I know, I was trying to make clear what was being meant by a 1D vector. I thought I was helping as Richards explanation seemed a little technical (I think Richard was alluding to 1D vector operations). But I obviously didn’t. As for keeping my nose out, again this is what blogs are all about. If not then you’d only ever get discussion between the same pairs of individuals.
Now, if I’m discussing speed, would you make the claim that the speed is a 1D vector
No I would say it is equal to the magnitude of the velocity vector. Again, you’re assuming despite I showing how you how to define any vector in terms of its direction (unit vector) and magnitude, I am conflating both. So please stop putting words into my mouth especially when it contradicts what I have said previously.
Firstly, speed is a scalar quantity it does not have direction; so that velocity can viewed simply as speed expressed in terms of a direction. For example, it can be expressed in terms of Cartesian coords where velocity can indeed be negative. If I centre my object on my x axis at 0 and if it moves to the left the object will have velocity of magnitude speed but sign -ve while to the right it will have a +ve sign. It is about the choice of reference frame as has been explained before. The speed will still be positive.
In terms of my expression of vector (V), unit vector (v) with one element x and magnitude (M – speed).
If we move an object to the left x = -ve, then my unit vector: v.x = -1 and M = speed.
V = vM, where V is my velocity vector (negative velocity).
if v.x = +1 then as above V will equal the velocity vector (positive velocity).
IN BOTH INSTANCES THE SPEED IS POSITIVE BUT THE VECTOR QUANTITY (a 1D one in the case) HAS A SIGN.
We could just easily express in terms of cardinal directions where W = -ve and E = +ve. Do a google search for negative velocity and kinematics.
With that I think I’ll move on as we don’t seem to be getting anywhere. And I appreciate that you must feel a little ambushed sometimes here when you have to deal with so many comments.
left the acceleration will have velocity of magnitude
Should be:
left the OBJECT will have velocity of magnitude
[Fixed. -w.]
RichardLH says:
February 13, 2014 at 5:11 pm
“I rather think you have never been to the Islands off Scotland and seen the tidal races that form there. Just where all that nice warm North Atlantic Drift is heading Northwards to the Arctic over the Greenland – Scotland ridge. You might have a slightly different approach to Tides then.”
What in your mind do tidal races that may develop on the surface as tides interact with bathymetry and wind-driven currents (which I’ve seen, along with tidal bores, many times at various locations around the globe) have to do with large-scale horizontal transport of water masses or the vertical mixing of heat on climatic time-scales? For every square mile where such tidal-energy-dissipating mechanisms appear with any regularity there are thousands of square miles of deep, open ocean where they are entirely negligible. It’s precisely in anticipation of such impressionable reasoning that I included the proviso “outside the confines of coastal waters and estuaries” in drawing the kinematic distinction between true currents and the orbital motions of forced-wave tides.
BTW, if you’re prepared to pay the costs of deploying certain instrumentation for a year along with my customary consulting fees, I’ll be happy to provide model predictions of the time-history of tides and associated tidal streams (but not wind-driven currents or storm surges) for the Faroe Bank, per your wish. They will prove robust throughout the time-horizon of periodically recurring perigee-szyzygy tides and the lunar-node-precession cycle, which everyone here confuses with the Saros cycle.
” periodically recurring perigee-szyzygy tides and the lunar-node-precession cycle, which everyone here confuses with the Saros cycle.”
Everyone?
RichardLH says:
February 14, 2014 at 1:50 pm
Richard, let me start with the important part. As it appears I misjudged you, I apologize without reservation.
However, I’m still at a loss what your 1D vs 3D argument actually meant. It seems that you were trying to say that I should do the full 3D analysis, and I kept saying I did the analysis I set out to do. Hey, I start with the simple and work up from there … so your claim, that I should have done the full 3D analysis, misses the point.
And at the end of the day? Well, Greg graciously and generously offers to do the analysis that you’ve been digging in your heels and abusing me for not doing, and telling me that I should do, and what do you reply?
RichardLH says:
February 14, 2014 at 11:44 am
Richard, unlike you, I did your “few moments of Google and thinking” BEFORE I uncapped my electronic pen. That’s why I did the simpler analysis, duh.
You say you weren’t intentionally obstructive, and I believe you.
But when you insist and insist and insist that I should do a complex analysis, based on the abstruse reason that my calculation of the tidal force contains 1D vectors, and then when someone offers to do that exact analysis you’ve said I should do, you say no thanks, it’s pointless???
You are not intending to be obstructive, Richard … but dang, despite that handicap, you’ve put in a gold medal performance …
w
cd says:
February 14, 2014 at 4:09 pm
Look, cd, if you want to be anonymous out of fear, in your case fear of losing your job, that’s your business. It’s a choice every man who posts has to face.
But if you do that, if you choose to hide behind a screen name, you give up some rights. First, you give up the rights to your ideas. If I post something and someone later says I ignored it, I can point to my own words. I recently had to do that with Dr. Roy, who mistakenly accused me of not acknowledging Ramanathan … but I could cite where I mentioned him. You can’t do that, because we don’t have a clue which “cd” you are.
More to the current point, when you post anonymously you also give up the right to bust people for their “form”, meaning their history. I have been very open about my history, both my posting history and my personal history, it’s all out there on the web. And yours? If you are unwilling to reveal your history FOR ANY REASON, it is the height of hypocrisy to bust other people for their history.
Finally you ask if I expect you to “never express a point of view on a blog” … of course not. Scientific views stand or fall on their own strength, and a person’s history is of no relevance.
I do, however, expect you not to make a personal attack based on someone else’s history, unless you are willing to put your history out there. And since you are merely one of the people posting as “cd”, and we have no way to know if you are the same “cd” that was posting here last year … well, you have no history.
w.
PS—None of this touches the fact that you made your accusation, that I have “history”, without a single quote, link, text, or citation of any part of my history to back up your claims … as I said, cd, that’s not polite at all, particularly when you are an anony-mouse yourself …
Greg says:
February 14, 2014 at 4:12 am
1sky1: ” tides and other longwaves merely put water mass into an irrotational, coherent orbit of limited dimension. ”
That sounds a little like one Paul Vaughan’s science-like sound bites. Like most of Pauls comments it sounds impressive but does not actually convey anything useful. Perhaps you could rephrase it.
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When I use standard technical terminology–famliar to all qualified in a scientific field–and someone doesn’t understand what it conveys, it leaves me wondering where and at what level to begin the tutorial. I value my time too highly (especially as the week-end begins), however, to offer anything more here than Googling “irrotational flow.” And I would suggest not tacking on a long exposition of unprofessional claims to garner serious attention. Gotta go!
Richard, could you explain how you got those plots from altimetry.info ?
I managed to get the URLs by zooming in on the graphs but I don’t see how to get them , for example for other years.
http://www.altimetry.info/html/data/product_list_en.html
1sky1 says:
February 14, 2014 at 4:17 pm
“What in your mind do tidal races that may develop on the surface as tides interact with bathymetry and wind-driven currents (which I’ve seen, along with tidal bores, many times at various locations around the globe) have to do with large-scale horizontal transport of water masses or the vertical mixing of heat on climatic time-scales?”
Oh I don’t know. Try
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_tide
“Internal tides may also dissipate on continental slopes and shelves [12] or even reach within 100 m of the beach (Fig. 3). Internal tides bring pulses of cold water shoreward and produce large vertical temperature differences. When surface waves break, the cold water is mixed upwards, making the water cold for surfers, swimmers, and other beachgoers. Surface waters in the surf zone can change by about 10 °C in about an hour.”
Do you think your view might be a bit superficial (surface wise).
“BTW, if you’re prepared to pay the costs of deploying certain instrumentation for a year along with my customary consulting fees, I’ll be happy to provide model predictions of the time-history of tides and associated tidal streams (but not wind-driven currents or storm surges) for the Faroe Bank, per your wish. They will prove robust throughout the time-horizon of periodically recurring perigee-szyzygy tides and the lunar-node-precession cycle, which everyone here confuses with the Saros cycle.”
I tell you what, offer your consulting services to the scientist involved in the complex interactions that happen in this part of the world and that have been a considerable line of study for them for many years. With your obviously large skill set and immense knowledge I’m sure they will snap up your offer and a very profitable line of work will be yours.
Or they could treat your trivial suggestions with the merit they deserve and decline your kind offer…..
I’ll leave you with one image why this just might be important.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c274/richardlinsleyhood/FaeroBankChannelTemperatures_zpsfb35726a.png
Google should provide the rest.
Willis Eschenbach says:
February 14, 2014 at 4:27 pm
“Richard, let me start with the important part. As it appears I misjudged you, I apologize without reservation.”
Accepted immediately and without prejudice.
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“However, I’m still at a loss what your 1D vs 3D argument actually meant. It seems that you were trying to say that I should do the full 3D analysis, and I kept saying I did the analysis I set out to do. Hey, I start with the simple and work up from there … so your claim, that I should have done the full 3D analysis, misses the point.”
I’ll try and do my best to help with some more clarification.
Take a scalar quantity (such as that you believe you have obtained.)
If you wish to plot it on a graph then you will turn it into a 1D vector (vertical usually) and call it ‘x’. The you will add a further dimension, time in this case, and will turn that into another, horizontal, 1D vector ‘y’ and use the two together to describe what happens over time for your scalar input. A 2D graph.
So a 1D vector is a line, a direction with magnitude (signed or absolute). And you use it all the time (pun) to do your work.
3D graphs are an attempt to plot 2 dimensions against a third and then represent that on a 2D surface.
Remember when we used to put arrows on the ends of the axis on graphs? That was to indicate that they are 1D vectors (or so I believe).
So let’s unwrap it back into why a 1D vector in the first place.
We start with a 3D space. Cartesian or Radial doesn’t matter which, in which there are forces and objects to be plotted over time.
So to reduce that to the single dimension we need for your graph we do a reduction. First from 3D to 2D (i.e. flatten it somehow) and then to 1D to calculate just the magnitude along some arbitrary vector balanced in-between the 3D vectors used to create it.
Then we turn that magnitude back into the ‘x’ axis on the graph and way we go.
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“And at the end of the day? Well, Greg graciously and generously offers to do the analysis that you’ve been digging in your heels and abusing me for not doing, and telling me that I should do, and what do you reply?”
RLH
“A few moments of Google and thinking means that it all would be a pointless exercise anyway, but thanks for the offer.”
“Richard, unlike you, I did your “few moments of Google and thinking” BEFORE I uncapped my electronic pen. That’s why I did the simpler analysis, duh.”
The pointless bit was that the extra step with all its apparent complexity would have provided no further enlightenment that your previous even less enlightening step already gave. It was me chiding myself for not think that through first.
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“You say you weren’t intentionally obstructive, and I believe you.
But when you insist and insist and insist that I should do a complex analysis, based on the abstruse reason that my calculation of the tidal force contains 1D vectors, and then when someone offers to do that exact analysis you’ve said I should do, you say no thanks, it’s pointless???
You are not intending to be obstructive, Richard … but dang, despite that handicap, you’ve put in a gold medal performance …”
I thank for your initial attempt to understand and do wish it hadn’t turned into a jibe.
—
So lets get back to why I think this is all fairly pointless anyway.
“The 54+ year cycle gets a lot of airtime, because people claim it is reflected in a sinusoidal approximately 54-year cycle in the for example the HadCRUT temperature records.”
The ‘x’ we have plotted so far is along some arbitrary line from the centre of the Earth at the surface but without any attempt to say where on the surface it is. As HadCRUT temperature records are derived from thermometers that are most definitely fixed to said surface that matters.
We need to relate ‘x’ to those thermometers otherwise we learn nothing.
And now the complexities start. The first step would be as I suggested to Greg, turn this into a 3D plot against time (would have to be a movie as we have 4 dimensions now – no graph will cut it – probably multiple Mollweide projection for less distortions) to see how this line (and the multiple other lines that make up the full gravitation field) progress over time.
But that requires a big step. Now this arbitrary line we have has to be turned into Lat-Long which is not quite so simple. As do all the other lines as well. Any still totally pointless.
Why?
Because how the world (and its Climate) sees all this is like this
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c274/richardlinsleyhood/K1Tides_zps453d8381.png
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c274/richardlinsleyhood/M2Tides_zps758f7faa.png
What we need is a 4 * 18.6 year movie of that (on a Mollweide projection to reduce the visual errors) and then we might, just might understand how this could – or could not – affect Climate.
That is the picture I have been trying to give you and you have so stubbornly trying not to see.
Greg says:
February 15, 2014 at 4:55 am
“Richard, could you explain how you got those plots from altimetry.info ?”
Google.
“I managed to get the URLs by zooming in on the graphs but I don’t see how to get them , for example for other years.”
Oh I wish! As far as I can tell these are just for one particular case. Zero declination of both bodies! This single frame is all we have. The other frames from the 4 * 18.6 movie are still missing!
That’s why we need that damned super-computer!
An bye the way – that’s just the surface. Now we need Internal Tides and vertical mixing zones and…… the list goes on and on.
Greg: Make that two fames 12 hours apart. Only a few more to go…….
RichardLH says:
February 15, 2014 at 8:33 am
Nothing that you present in your comments is either recondite knowledge or of material consequence to questions of possible tidal influence upon climate on a global scale. Unable to counter my argument that such influences are negligible, you switch from surface tidal races to the even more localized pulses of cold water that may be brought up in the the surf zone by breaking waves. All too conveniently, you choose to ignore my important proviso, while leading readers astray with irrelevant links.
A physical oceanographer you certainly are not; meanwhile, those who have employed my consulting services have done so to mutual profit.
1sky1 says:
February 15, 2014 at 2:29 pm
“Nothing that you present in your comments is either recondite knowledge or of material consequence to questions of possible tidal influence upon climate on a global scale.”
I thank you for your erudite blindness and move on.
1sky1 says:
February 15, 2014 at 2:29 pm
1400 meters is hardly the tide zone but you knew that already – right?
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c274/richardlinsleyhood/TheInternalTideatHawaii_zps7c7d5dbf.png
“Google”. Damn , I thought they had a web interface to create the plots.
“That’s why we need that damned super-computer!”
Probably not. It is just data extraction from the altimetry data. Go to the home page of that domain name and look at Tools. They have a “Win/MacOS/Linux” download for some software. I have not look into it yet because I thought you had found an online access to these plots.
That’s not to say it will give you plots like that at the drop of a hat but if they’ve taken the trouble to provide cross-platform software, it’s worth a look.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c274/richardlinsleyhood/TheInternalTideatHawaii_zps7c7d5dbf.png
Jeezus! That’s 5 or 6 K variation every 12h down to 1400m .
Have you seem the longer term animations that AJ did? First one looks like a polynesian dancer in a body scanner.
https://sites.google.com/site/climateadj/argo-animations
This one is particularly interesting. At 200m there’s more heating at the extremes of the solar declination range than at the equator.
Greg,
That’s also about the average latitude where largest tidal currents are generated.
clivebest says:
February 16, 2014 at 3:25 am
“Greg,
That’s also about the average latitude where largest tidal currents are generated.”
Duh! I have been trying to point that out since this thread stated. Hasn’t got through yet!
Greg says:
February 15, 2014 at 11:37 pm
“http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c274/richardlinsleyhood/TheInternalTideatHawaii_zps7c7d5dbf.png
Jeezus! That’s 5 or 6 K variation every 12h down to 1400m . ”
Who says the heat isn’t hiding in the Oceans?
“Have you seem the longer term animations that AJ did? First one looks like a polynesian dancer in a body scanner.
https://sites.google.com/site/climateadj/argo-animations”
And that the heat dances whilst it is there 🙂
Thanks for the link.
Greg says:
February 15, 2014 at 11:25 pm
“That’s why we need that damned super-computer!”
Probably not. It is just data extraction from the altimetry data. Go to the home page of that domain name and look at Tools. They have a “Win/MacOS/Linux” download for some software. I have not look into it yet because I thought you had found an online access to these plots.
That’s not to say it will give you plots like that at the drop of a hat but if they’ve taken the trouble to provide cross-platform software, it’s worth a look.
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OK. It just may be worth while doing the plots I was considering as that is the input to the forces driving all this as well as to see how the Oceans respond to that input by seeing their tools will do that.
Clive has provided part of the answer in a 2D x/y direction on the other thread but we now have to think about how it looks when looking down on the poles as well to get z.
So the true tidal force pattern is for an x, y, z oriented to the Earth’s surface and plotted over the whole globe, probably as 3 separate Mollweide projections, running as a movie over 4 * 18.6 years of vector input.
No problem, have that done by lunch……some day in the future 🙂
RichardLH says:
February 16, 2014 at 3:43 am
“So the true tidal force pattern is for an x, y, z oriented to the Earth’s surface and plotted over the whole globe, probably as 3 separate Mollweide projections, running as a movie over 4 * 18.6 years of vector input.”
Actually a 3 colour single x, y, z Mollweide projection with 256 levels to each channel and each channel scaled from min to max should make an interesting colour animation of what is happening!
That should look pretty.