Fighting the Wrong Battle: Public Persuaded About CO2 As Pollutant – Not As Cause of Warming

Guest essay by Dr. Tim Ball

Skeptics are winning the battle to reject CO2 as the only cause of warming, but losing the war to the misrepresentation of CO2 as a pollutant.

Some people generally know there is something wrong with claims of human created global warming or climate change, but governments, business, industry, mainstream media and AGW advocates succeed in the push for reduction of CO2 as a pollutant without protest from the public. All this despite massive and completely unnecessary costs.

Political advocates of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) set out to demonize CO2. They successfully shifted away from global warming to climate change and on to pollution when the Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) hypothesis began to fail. Influential AGW proponents like James Hansen thought skeptics were winning the climate debate so he began talking about coal “death trains”. Obama’s “carbon pollution” is scientifically wrong but works by frightening the public. His attack on the coal industry gets little opposition outside of coal producing States. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) proceeds with Supreme Court blessing as they limit a “harmful substance”.

It’s increasingly ineffective to explain what is wrong with the climate science. It is necessary to show that the switch to falsely calling it a pollutant became necessary to perpetuate the goal of eliminating fossil fuels. Most people don’t make the link and are turned against CO2 as a pollutant by the effective PR campaign.

Competing with PR experts.

Mr. Justice Burton’s October 2007 ruling on the showing of Gore’s docudrama An Inconvenient Truth in the classroom wrote,

The context and nub of the dispute are the statutory provisions described in their side headings as respectively relating to “political indoctrination” and to the “duty to secure balanced treatment of political issues” in schools,

This is the battle as the counterattack by promoters of AGW proceeds. People who question the hypothesis and science, especially as manifest in the IPCC Reports, are attacked as skeptics and deniers, who are framed as apparently willfully lying for a political agenda paid for by coal and oil companies. The public is told not to believe these deceivers because of their funding, the debate is over, the science is settled and failure to support immediate political action makes them intransigent and complicit in pollution of the planet. Gore’s movie was a major part of the deception. It was a successful piece of propaganda produced in Hollywood, a world center for telling stories to the public. Justice Burton wrote in his judgment,

I viewed the film at the parties’ request. Although I can only express an opinion as a viewer rather than as a judge, it is plainly, as witnessed by the fact that it received an Oscar this year for best documentary film, a powerful, dramatically presented and highly professionally produced film. It is built round the charismatic presence of the ex-Vice-President, Al Gore, whose crusade it now is to persuade the world of the dangers of climate change caused by global warming. It is now common ground that it is not simply a science film – although it is clear that it is based substantially on scientific research and opinion – but that it is a political film, albeit of course not party political. Its theme is not merely the fact that there is global warming, and that there is a powerful case that such global warming is caused by man, but that urgent, and if necessary expensive and inconvenient, steps must be taken to counter it, many of which are spelt out.

No wonder the public are confused. Any responses to Gore’s movie relying solely on science are seriously challenged. I’ve been involved in this debate often. One example involved helping a group of retired scientists set up Friends of Science. They chose a purely scientific approach science partly because of being from Calgary and Alberta a center of fossil fuel production, but also as scientists they wanted facts and logic. They do a good job, but mostly for those who understand science.

The simplistic deceptions of PR have been a major and effective tool. DeSmogBlog was the brainchild of James Hoggan, Board Chairman of the David Suzuki Foundation and President of a PR firm. In a December 2011 email to Michael Mann, DeSmogBlog writer Richard Littlemore says:

(as I am sure you have noticed: we’re all about PR here, not much about science).

Mann’s 2004 email to CRU Director Phil Jones confirms the PR connection of CRU/IPCC science. Confronted by challenging questions, they apparently developed a defensive mentality:

I’ve personally stopped responding to these, they’re going to get a few of these op-ed pieces out here and there, but the important thing is to make sure they’re loosing [sic] the PR battle. That’s what the site (Realclimate) is about. By the way Gavin (Schmidt) did come up w/ the name.

To overcome the combination of political PR and falsified climate science, people need to know answers to the basic questions of journalism; who, what, when, where and why it was done. Only “what” is addressed by explaining the science.

Stage of Evolution In Unveiling Misuse of Climate Science

Mahatma Gandhi said, First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. I’ve experienced all phases so far in the climate issue and believe we’re in the “fight” stage. For AGW proponents this involves grabbing headlines that backfire, such as John Holdren’s video that claimed the cold (polar vortex) is due to warming, or playing the “victim” card when evidence, like the hockey stick, is already known to the public. Paradoxically, it is counterproductive for those AGW proponents fighting because it accelerates the final stage. A comment after a presentation is I had my suspicions, but I didnt know enough to know. Extreme and illogical claims help the public move to the final stage. However, critical issues common for the public, like fear and lack of knowledge, must be recognized and addressed first. Global warming deception creators effectively exploited both, as people are learning. Now people are asking other questions and they raise other concerns. Who did it, how, and why?

The switch to climate change from global warming accompanied an increase in the claims of CO2 as a pollutant. PR agents through Gore and others convinced the world it was and President Obama reinforces it with the term ”carbon pollution”. This illustrates why attempts to help the public understand the science of climate change is unworkable. CO2 continues its hold because the public believes it is a pollutant. This happens because a majority proudly avoids science; can’t believe a small group could influence and fool the world; or that scientists would be subjective and political.

The person who understood these issues leaked the emails from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU). From over 220,000 emails only 1000 were selected for a strategic release to undermine advancing the political agenda at the Conference of the Parties (COP) 15 in Copenhagen. That selection takes knowledge of the science, the participants and their activities, but more important what the public would understand. Focus was on malfeasance, including references to science with words like “hide” and “trick” used by the participants. Even now very few understand the science or statistics of the hockey stick. The emails provide a picture of vindictiveness, defensiveness, and malicious personal attacks that most could understand were problematic. Apparently the whistleblower knew that the COP makes decisions based on the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) findings. Most of the people at the CRU were also effectively in control of the IPCC so disclosure dammed both. Most COP participants are bureaucrats, politicians and NGOs so disclosures required that they were the same as those for the public.

The Time For Explanations

After challenging the prevailing wisdom of a simplistic ongoing global cooling trend in the 1970s I became more opposed to the simplistic trend prediction of global warming after the 1980s. From the start I made public presentations of what was wrong with the science to hundreds of groups and learned quickly what people knew and understood.

The pattern followed Gandhi’s pattern and public response changed as events altered how they were listening. It paralleled phone-in radio programs, which had 99 percent hostile calls through the 1990s. I learned that when I was on Greenpeace and others would line up people to call in. The solution was to bypass the first 20 calls. Nowadays there are rarely more than one or two hostile calls or emails about CO2 as a greenhouse gas, but most express concern about CO2 as a pollutant.

I waited a few years to publish my book The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science because the public was not ready. Most are still not ready for a pure science expose. I believe they are ready now for a different approach as the pattern changes once again, but that also means they are asking different questions. Now they want to know who orchestrated the deception, how was it achieved, and most important what was the motive.

This is just one more step in the effort to counteract the anti – CO2 industry. It will be difficult because so many people are involved in perpetuating the “CO2 is a pollutant” myth.

Who knew and who just participated?

My template for the book was the basic objectives of the CRU whistleblower. This means there is not enough detail to satisfy any specialist group or special interest group, but enough to help the public understand what was done and why. It is a generalist book about the corruption and misuse of a generalist discipline – climatology for a political agenda. Very few people involved knew little about what was going on, and there were millions. A brief list of most participants direct or indirect who created the myth of CO2 and will oppose its debunking follows;

1. The Core Group of scientists mostly at or linked to the CRU at the University of East Anglia (UEA). The leaked emails explain everything you need to know about this group. They knew what they were doing as reference to the “Cause” identifies. They developed a classic case of Groupthink.

Groupthink, a term coined by social psychologist Irving Janis (1972), occurs when a group makes faulty decisions because group pressures lead to a deterioration of “mental efficiency, reality testing, and moral judgment” (p. 9). Groups affected by groupthink ignore alternatives and tend to take irrational actions that dehumanize other groups. A group is especially vulnerable to groupthink when its members are similar in background, when the group is insulated from outside opinions, and when there are no clear rules for decision making.

This group was closely linked to the United Kingdom Meteorological Office (UKMO) Hadley Centre as they are today; witness the data sets produced by HadCRUT. The connection to America was through former CRU director Tom Wigley and CRU graduates like Benjamin Santer.

2. The group assembled by Maurice Strong to control the political and science agenda of global warming for the political agenda through the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP). This included bureaucrats of every national weather office through the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) who selected national scientists for the IPCC. Chief among these were UKMO, Environment Canada (EC), and NOAA. Most of them had no idea what was going on, but it was a nice secure bureaucratic job. Most knew the perils of stepping out of line. Three EC employees told me after a presentation in Winnipeg a few years ago that they agreed with me, but dare not say so. Direct participation in IPCC was as Richard Lindzen explained,

IPCC’s emphasis, however, isn’t on getting qualified scientists, but on getting representatives from over 100 countries, said Lindzen. The truth is only a handful of countries do quality climate research. Most of the so-called experts served merely to pad the number

It is no small matter that routine weather service functionaries from New Zealand to Tanzania are referred to as ‘the world’s leading climate scientists.’ It should come as no surprise that they will be determinedly supportive of the process.

Once a bureaucracy is established or assigned a task it almost guarantees it is not going to solve the problem. Rather, it will evolve to perpetuate its own existence. In the case of climate, bureaucratic science experts confronted politicians who dared to question. Once the nations weather office adopted the IPCC position it became national policy. Then all other branches of government were required to do their planning based on this official climate position.

3. Maurice Strong resurrected the Non-government Organizations (NGO) for the 1992 Rio Conference. Of the 8,375 attendees at the recent COP 19 in Warsaw 3,031 were NGOs. Why wasn’t business and industry given such a prominent place?

4. Whenever business or industry was involved they only participated because they could benefit. They were open to government largesse and guarantees and worked to support politicians who practiced “crony capitalism”. One of the most dramatic self-serving meetings occurred in 1997 at the White House between President Clinton, VP Gore, and CEOs Ken Lay of Enron and Lord Browne of BP.

5. A change in research funding evolved almost coincident with emergence of global warming. Universities stretched for income realized they could reasonably add a fee for services, which was built into the funding application. The mantra for advancement changed from ‘publish or perish’ to ‘bring funding or perish’. Academics from all disciplines learned how to enter keywords to trigger a positive result in request for funding. In the 1990s I joked about seeking a connection between climate and AIDS to almost guarantee funding.

6. Tacit support through silence was a major strength exploited by those pushing the IPCC agenda. Many were bullied into silence partly because they watched those who dared to ask questions vilified and marginalized. The silence of this group facilitated the claims of consensus.

7. The mainstream media, more than any other group failed society and worse became a platform and promoter of the deception. The US Founding Fathers believed a free press was essential to exposing deception or attempts at control. Two publications were central to the failure, the New York Times and the Guardian. Complicity of their involvement and compromise of journalistic principles were exposed when reporter’s names appeared in the leaked CRU emails.

It was a child who said the emperor had no clothes – the adults recoiled in horror expecting retribution. Edmund Burke said The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. It is very difficult to identify evil when you don’t understand the subject, it is a deliberate delusion and it is wrapped in the cloak of saving the planet and the children.

Failed predictions, cold weather and illogical responses were amplified by the “child” replacement, the Internet. Marshall McLuhan said, “The medium is the message. The Internet provided the ideal medium for democratizing information. Web pages like WUWT provided a forum for millions to question challenge and do what the media should have been doing. They significantly assisted in the exposure of CO2 climate science, but AGW proponents moved on to pollution.

Skeptics won the CO2 climate battle but are losing the CO2 is pollution war. Massively expensive, debilitating but completely unnecessary taxes, rules and restrictions will continue until the public understands that CO2 is not a pollutant. This will take a long time as too many people with power like President Obama or in powerful positions like bureaucrats in national weather agencies and thereby all areas of government are invested in maintaining the falsehood.

Appropriate Quotes detailing the challenge:

Voltaire:

As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.

It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere.

It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong.

Epictetus:

It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows.

Upton Sinclair:

It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!

Tolstoy:

“I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.”

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February 5, 2014 2:35 pm

glen martin says:
February 5, 2014 at 2:12 pm
“Just look at this scary image of hydrogen pollution.”
Here’s a scarier image of “hydrogen pollution”:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qoSjsjj9Clk/Ua4LOTFCe_I/AAAAAAAAAeg/VRxvQPN3DRw/s1600/Hindenburg%2Bdisaster.jpg

davidg
February 5, 2014 2:35 pm

I’m not a troll, I am a bona fide skeptic and am just trying to get some of the people to lift their eyes above their blinders momentarily, that’s it.
None of the last 20 years of the all out climate propaganda campaign would add up if it was only a question of science, none of the billions being spent to ensure that one message is getting out. “Only we can save you from the Climate Armageddon to come. None of the spying, none of the destruction of the American way of life that was the envy of the world, that most people can no longer remember.Unfortunately for them, the internet has exposed them as what they are. Calling the facts I exposed red herrings only points at your own motivations, which must be dark, indeed. Are you seriously denying my point? Then you are ignorant of the history of all these things. I am not.

davidg
February 5, 2014 2:39 pm

Maybe Jimbo should use quotes or sarc tags for Pete’s sake.

Berényi Péter
February 5, 2014 2:51 pm

People are rejecting both dihydrogen monoxide and hydroxyl acid pollution fiercely, if asked about it, therefore the case is hopeless.
Carbon dioxide is not listed among pollutants in the Clean Air Act, but was put into that category by EPA as an executive measure, after the Supreme Court has authorized them in 2007 to do so after Massachusetts v. Environmental Protection Agency.
Once it was done, all rules and regulations related to “air pollutants” became applicable.
In order to gain authority over the substance, they were required to demonstrate “it endangered human health and welfare” and that’s what they purported to do.

Health effects of carbon pollution
Unchecked carbon pollution leads to long-lasting changes in our climate, such as:
– Rising global temperatures
– Rising sea level
– Changes in weather and precipitation patterns
– Changes in ecosystems, habitats and species diversity
These changes threaten America’s health and welfare for current and future generations. Public health risks include:
– More heat waves and drought
– Worsening smog (also called ground-level ozone pollution)
– Increasing the intensity of extreme events, like hurricanes, extreme precipitation and flooding
– Increasing the range of ticks and mosquitoes, which can spread disease such as Lyme disease and West Nile virus
Our most vulnerable citizens, including children, older adults, people with heart or lung disease and people living in poverty may be most at risk from the health impacts of climate change

At this stage I believe the only way to stop them is by specific legislation, which
1. Prohibits government agencies to use the expression “carbon pollution” when “carbon dioxide pollution” is meant.
2. Requires explicit scientific proof of each and every effect on “human health and welfare” listed by EPA. Computational climate models, if not fully validated against observational data, are disqualified. Validation should be demonstrated by independent &. public audit.
(a) Rising global temperatures: They are not rising in the last 17 years.
(b) Rising sea level: Rate of sea level rise is decelerating.
(c) Changes in weather and precipitation patterns: There is no observational evidence to it, beyond the fact weather is supposed to change all the time, which it does anyway, even with no anthropogenic carbon dioxide emission whatsoever.
(d) Changes in ecosystems, habitats and species diversity: The only hard proof we have in this respect is effect of carbon dioxide on increasing foliage cover across warm arid regions. To show this trend puts vulnerable citizens at risk may be a mighty challenge for regulators.
(e) More heat waves and drought: No empirical data supports this claim.
(f) Worsening smog (also called ground-level ozone pollution): Oh, hoo. Carbon dioxide has nothing to do with tropospheric ozone chemistry. Carbon monoxide has, but it is an entirely different substance, a deadly poison, as opposed to carbon dioxide, which has no effect on humans whatsoever in environmental concentrations.
(g) Increasing the intensity of extreme events, like hurricanes, extreme precipitation and flooding: No proof exists to this proposition. Global ACE is on the decline.
(h) Increasing the range of ticks and mosquitoes: As there is no warming, one is forced to believe that carbon dioxide alone can do that, which is nonsense.
If the reasons stated by EPA to put carbon dioxide into the “pollutant” bin are found to be invalid, that is, if it is found to have no provably discernible effect on human health and welfare, that label should no longer be used in government documents.
That’s what legislators can do. However, I am clueless if scientific bodies like NAS (created during the War Between the States by Abraham Lincoln on March 3, 1863 to investigate, examine, experiment, and report upon any subject of science or art whenever called upon by any department of the Government) are not doing their job.

richardscourtney
February 5, 2014 2:56 pm

davidg:
OK. You are not a troll.
At February 5, 2014 at 2:12 pm you made your first post on WUWT. It provided a long list of excellent Red Herrings
You followed that with three more posts in the following 27 minutes.
Two of those posts attacked Jimbo who was the most frequent poster on WUWT in 2013 and the other accused me of having “dark motivations”.
But you are not a troll. You say you are

a bona fide skeptic and am just trying to get some of the people to lift their eyes above their blinders momentarily, that’s it.

Sorry for my misunderstanding.
Richard

February 5, 2014 2:58 pm

davidg says:
February 5, 2014 at 2:35 pm
“just trying to get some of the people to lift their eyes above their blinders momentarily, that’s it.”
===================
I have to disagree with your premise that readers / posters on this blog are politically blind. There are countless posts & comments on this blog that show a deep understanding that the issue of CO2 & CAGW is strongly political – I think this post by Dr. Ball falls firmly into that category.
This is first and foremost a science blog, not a political blog. The politics of the situation are undoubtedly delved into deeply elsewhere on the web. I think that many commenters / posters would say that the general public doesn’t have a good understanding of the science and when the science isn’t understood, it makes it easier for a psuedo-scientific agenda to be pushed & bought by an unsuspecting public. We can’t solve all the problems of the world but we can certainly try to better educate the public on the science of the subject, in hopes that the political wool won’t be pulled over their eyes. That’s how we are hoping to help lift the blinders of the public vs pure political arguments. It may not be the full answer in combatting the situation but it is part of the solution.

February 5, 2014 2:59 pm

I still don’t understand how the scientific organizations were brought into line: The American Physical Society, The American Institute of Physics, The American Chemical Society, The American Geophysical Union, The Royal Society — they all have plunked down officially, determinedly, persistently, and outspokenly for the garbage science of AGW. Tim, you didn’t address that issue. What’s your take on it?
The APS, etc., clearly didn’t do it for money. The supportive comments by leaders of these institutions ring with sincerity. Their published analyses are full of equations and physics that pretend to a complete explanation of the response of the terrestrial climate to GHG emissions: relentless heat. They believe what they’re saying.
Nevertheless, all it takes is a straight-forward analysis to discover that AGW so-called science is a crock. Every one of these scientific organizations has failed its mission of science. I don’t understand how that happened, or how it happened so quickly. The kindest rationale is that they are each and all run by incompetents. Maybe there’s a density theory of science organizations, which shows that the lightest-weight scientists always rise to the top of any institutional hierarchy.

Will Nelson
February 5, 2014 3:02 pm

davidg says:
February 5, 2014 at 2:25 pm
******************************************
Easy on Jimbo, he’s transparent enough…
Except for the dark business of what is happening to Gail Combs’ missing comments…

DirkH
February 5, 2014 3:05 pm

Pat Frank says:
February 5, 2014 at 2:59 pm
“The APS, etc., clearly didn’t do it for money. The supportive comments by leaders of these institutions ring with sincerity. Their published analyses are full of equations and physics that pretend to a complete explanation of the response of the terrestrial climate to GHG emissions: relentless heat. They believe what they’re saying. ”
Assuming the leaders of the organisations are not bought and paid for, there is always the Peter Principle.

richardscourtney
February 5, 2014 3:07 pm

Pat Frank:
At February 5, 2014 at 2:59 pm you ask Tim Ball

I still don’t understand how the scientific organizations were brought into line: The American Physical Society, The American Institute of Physics, The American Chemical Society, The American Geophysical Union, The Royal Society — they all have plunked down officially, determinedly, persistently, and outspokenly for the garbage science of AGW. Tim, you didn’t address that issue. What’s your take on it?

I strongly commend that you spend the time waiting for Tim Ball to answer by reading the answers to your questions provided by Richard Lindzen which I linked in my above post at February 5, 2014 at 12:43 pm.
To save you needing to find it, I copy the link to here
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0809/0809.3762.pdf
Richard

James Strom
February 5, 2014 3:09 pm

Jimbo says:
February 5, 2014 at 1:04 pm
……
Thanks for those references to global benefits of CO2. I was about to go on a search for such material. Hope I can return the favor in the future.

Windsong
February 5, 2014 3:19 pm

Thanks, Gail. Change the debate, folks. Whenever the term “carbon pollution” is used, ask what is wrong with diamonds raining down from above. Or, did they really mean carbon dioxide. Others want to confuse black soot, coal and diamonds with CO2.

Matt G
February 5, 2014 3:22 pm

The public often get confused between carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide, but they affect the human body very differently.
CO is very toxic gas and highly flammable. It reacts violently with water and can form explosive mixtures with it.
CO2 is none of these and the lungs just help pass it through the body with no harm. Humans breath out 4% CO2 and even though CO2 is safe at current and expected future trends it does become toxic around 5%. Humans have nothing to worry about because CO2 levels will never reach anywhere near 50,000 ppm in future generations. The most CO2 levels have been over hundreds of millions of years are around 7,000 ppm. Future maximum CO2 levels are expected to be much lower than this, with even 800 ppm in doubt, due to not sure if there is even enough fuel to burn for this target. At current rates it would take about 180 years to reach this goal.

David L. Hagen
February 5, 2014 3:29 pm

Call CO2 an “essential nutrient” or “plant food”.
“The concentration of the essential nutrient CO2 is being steadily restored to more productive levels.”
“The increase in the essential plant food CO2 is projected to cause $9.8 trillion in agricultural benefits by 2050.”
Ref: The Positive Externalities of Carbon Dioxide: Estimating the Monetary Benefits of Rising Atmospheric CO2 Concentrations on Global Food Production Craig Idso, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, 21 October 2013

David L. Hagen
February 5, 2014 3:42 pm

Berényi Péter
Re: “Carbon dioxide is not listed among pollutants in the Clean Air Act, but was put into that category by EPA as an executive measure, after the Supreme Court has authorized them in 2007 to do so after Massachusetts v. Environmental Protection Agency.”
Note that the Supreme Court did NOT “authorize them in 2007.”
See the 5:4 majority opinion in MASSACHUSETTS v. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY

“The Court held that if the EPA wishes to continue its inaction on carbon regulation, it is required by the Act to base the decision on a consideration of “whether greenhouse gas emissions contribute to climate change.”

The EPA did not follow its own internal rules for object evaluation. E.g. when Alan Carlin discovered the CO2 evaluation was in process, he quickly reviewed a wide range of information, but EPA superiors refused to consider that contrary evidence. See: Carlin Economics and Science: Publications

Comments on Draft Technical Support Document for Endangerment Analysis for Greenhouse Gas Emissions under the Clean Air Act, unpublished report prepared for the US Environmental Protection Agency but not representing the Agency’s views, final version dated March 16, 2009. Designed to be printed double-sided. PDF file size is 4MB. Press coverage includes the following: CBSNews, NYTimes, Wall Street Journal news and opinion, and London Telegraph. For additional information see here and for commentary on a September NYTimes story see here. For a thorough Congressional report dealing with the EPA’s Endangerment finding and the release of these comments see here. For a May 2010 Congressional update see here.

Note particularly p5:

The Supreme Court explicitly left open whether EPA should regulate CO2 emissions, stating that it did not rule on “whether policy concerns can inform EPA’s actions in the event it makes such a finding.” While the court decision gave EPA the authority to consider the policy implications and negative economic effects of regulating GHG emissions under the CAA, it did not require EPA to make an affirmative endangerment finding.

Russ R.
February 5, 2014 3:53 pm

This is a fraud on the working people of the world. It will collapse of its own weight in a manner similar to Enron or WorldCom. All the re-branding and re-classifying will only delay the inevitable. The only way to prevent this collapse is to restrict access to information and communication. That horse left the barn with the explosion of the Internet.
So cheer up. You simply cannot “fool all the people, all the time”. Most of the people inclined to believe this “speculation”, based on “appeal to authority”, have realized it is not a “imminent threat”. It won’t take much to move that sentiment into outright anger, over being lied to.

Tanya Aardman
February 5, 2014 3:54 pm

Ghandi did not say this –
Mahatma Gandhi said, “First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.”
It was an American Trade Union Leader about 30 years before him. I’m sick to death of people not knowing that

garymount
February 5, 2014 4:18 pm

I have figured out some very complex things in my life, such as C++ pointers and what the heck the teacher means when she says “thus proving the Limit”, but I still don’t understand what “The medium is the message” means. I guess some things in life will just have to remain a mystery.

garymount
February 5, 2014 4:23 pm

When Gandhi got to the fighting part, weren’t bullets involved?

February 5, 2014 4:24 pm

Matt G, sympathies with your general point, but CO (carbon monoxide) does not react violently with water and does not form explosive mixtures with it.

garymount
February 5, 2014 4:35 pm

Tom Harris has an article in Today’s “The Vancouver Sun” :
Opinion: Climate rhetoric undermines rational decision-making
Obama’s State of the Union address employed language tricks to bolster global warming scare
– – –
He also picks apart the usage of the word carbon.
http://www.vancouversun.com/opinion/op-ed/Opinion+Climate+rhetoric+undermines+rational+decision/9469309/story.html

Berényi Péter
February 5, 2014 4:53 pm

Frank

CO (carbon monoxide) does not react violently with water and does not form explosive mixtures with it.

Well, I guess hydrogen produced in the water-gas shift reaction can get pretty explosive.
@Matt G

The public often get confused between carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide

It is not only the “public”, EPA also does it. According to them public health risks of “carbon pollution” include “worsening smog (also called ground-level ozone pollution)”, which is ridiculous if “carbon” is meant to stand for “carbon dioxide”. On the other hand, if “carbon” is an umbrella term for both gases, it may make sense, but in that case it is regulation which is incomprehensible.

rogerknights
February 5, 2014 5:35 pm

Tanya Aardman says:
February 5, 2014 at 3:54 pm
Ghandi did not say this –
Mahatma Gandhi said, “First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.”
It was an American Trade Union Leader about 30 years before him. I’m sick to death of people not knowing that

I just checked with the Quote Investigator site, http://garsonotoole.com . It hasn’t investigated this quote yet. You should send an e-mail requesting a ruling, and giving a your source for your attribution, to garsonotoole@gmail.com . Once he rules in your favor, this erroneous attribution won’t so often be made.

Eamon Butler.
February 5, 2014 5:43 pm

It beggars belief that anyone could seriously claim CO2 is a pollutant. There is a deliberate cynical attempt to confuse the issue by referring to ‘Carbon’ pollution and avoiding the term CO2. A lot of people will make the association with carbon monoxide, as MarkW said. It also brings the images of the big industrial chimney stacks belching out plumes of dirty, black sooty carbon pollution, like the ones we see in the dodgy photos of steam silhouetted against the sky. I think it is easy to explain the benefits of CO2 versus the speculation of any negatives there might be, to anyone who cares to raise the issue. Significantly,it’s essential to life on earth, and as a driver of the global climate, it’s very insignificant. Even if it does keep us a little bit warm, better to live with a greenhouse effect than an icehouse. What’s wrong with these people? They want to Freeze and starve us all to death.

ferdberple
February 5, 2014 6:17 pm

V’ger believed the humans aboard the Enterprise to be carbon pollution. An infestation to be eliminated. Those that forget the lessons of the future are doomed to repeat them in the past.