We’ve had issues with Mr. Laden before, and being called on it hasn’t changed his bad behavior, hopefully he’ll learn something this time. This is a pretty simple black and white issue, so I’ll do it with bullet points.
- Yesterday, Mr. Laden claimed WUWT had sunk to a “new low” for daring to question the wind speeds of Typhoon Haiyan hyped in the media with ground measurements reported by the Philippine Meteorological Agency. Our position was the media poorly reported on the storm, made egregious errors that we documented, and that this led to inflated wind speed numbers given to the public, such as 235 kilometers per hour being reported as 235 miles per hour, to give an example.
- He further claimed that we were “disrespectful” for not immediately updating the death toll to the new estimate of 10,000, which was the result of a political meeting in the governor’s office. I said we’d stick with the last report of the Red Cross number of 1200 as I trust them because their mission has no agenda other than aid. The 10,000 estimate may be met, or even exceeded, and if so we’ll report it then. (Now at 1774 as of 1015AM 11/11) UPDATE: 11/12 7AM Philippine president Aquino says to CNN: Typhoon Haiyan deaths likely 2,000 to 2,500 — not 10,000
- He added in a comment:
Let me ask you this but you better answer quick because the ground is sliding from underneath you as I type this. How important is 1,200 vs. tens of thousands? If it turns out to be tens of thousands instead of 1,200 will you STFU forever? Please?
- He then proceeded to write a long winded blog post at “ScienceBlogs”, and launch a Twitter tirade, from the position that he had some sort of moral high ground. As one WUWT commenter put it: The leftie pose of “We care more about real people than you do” is on full display.
- Yet, despite that angry posturing from that self-imagined moral high ground, Mr. Laden never once offered to help the people of the Philippines as WUWT has with the links to the Philippine Red Cross in the side bar graphic and in blog post links. Other bloggers such as Bob Tisdale have followed my lead with links in postings. Even 350.org’s Bill McKibben has thanked WUWT for providing him this info as he was pushing the “Save the Children Organization”, which isn’t disaster equipped.
- I waited over 24 hours to see if Mr. Laden had a conscience, and if he would offer his blog to help the people of Philippines or was simply interested in his holier than thou tirade against WUWT. So far, he has not.
- I made a donation to the Philippine Red Cross.
I chose 5000 Philippine Pesos (PHP) from the menu, which works out to $118 USD as it allows Mr. Laden and others who may donate to easily match the contribution. The maximum value on the Red Cross donation page in the menu is 10,000 PHP, or about $230 USD.
Between his donation (assuming he makes one), his readers donations (assuming he pitches it to them), and my donation along with WUWT reader donations, that should add up to a significant and useful sum, but any amount people may choose is useful and appreciated. Feel free to note your donation in comments if you choose.
The challenge:
I challenge Mr. Laden to meet or exceed my donation, and to post a link and graphic on his blog to the donation page for the Philippine Red Cross, and encourage his readers to contribute.
He is welcome to use this graphic I created:
Give Generously
The link is: http://ushare.redcross.org.ph/
Be sure to select the campaign first in the menu pulldown to be Supertyphoon Yolanda (Haiyan), then select the monetary amount and the payment method.
I also encourage WUWT readers to donate if they feel so inclined. It will be interesting to see if any other blogs who have been critical of WUWT pitch in to help. I’m betting few will as it isn’t in their nature but would be happy to be proven wrong.
Full disclosure: My wife’s maternal side of family is from the Philippines, and we have learned that one of her relatives there has lost a home in the storm. We have no word on the others there at this time.
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UPDATE: Laden’s claims in his tirade aren’t supported by actual science and data, he writes:
But Watts and Homewood don’t want storms to be important for the simple reason that the best models strongly suggest that there will be more storms … especially in the Pacific, where Haiyan struck, over coming decades because of the changes to climate that humans are carrying out and that Anthony Watts and Paul Homewood deny to be real.
This paper shows the reality from data – no trend:
Kubota, H. and Chan, J.C.L. 2009. Interdecadal variability of tropical cyclone landfall in the Philippines from 1902 to 2005. Geophysical Research Letters 36: 10.1029/2009GL038108.
“Despite global warming during the 20th century the number of tropical cyclones annually making landfall in the Philippines did not experience any net change. All variability was merely oscillatory activity around a mean trend of zero slope”
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Estimates by the JTWC are not definitive storm measurements. As you note so well with the term ‘estimates’. Where are the WMO official locality Haiyan track measurements and their associated links? Supplying the actual JTWC links would be nice too, especially as the NOAA rewritten versions are not trustworthy.
Then you go on to compound your misleading strawman by restricting the list of typhoons to only those recorded during the 10 minute average wind speed measurement period. How long is that? Twenty years? Talk about cherry pick the data.
Don’t forget that there are centuries of data regarding hurricanes and typhoons, though before the barometric pressure era you have to be satisfied with ‘gale force’ winds. e.g. Admiral Halsey lost three destroyers in 1944 to a typhoon where the estimated barometric pressure was 26.4 (off the scale of the barometer).
Msm along with CAGW alarmists are preying upon unfortunate civilian events and their suffering. A very dishonorable and quite disgusting thing to do. Stop trying make Anthony out to be a bad guy for telling the truth! By the way, you’re not looking too honorable regarding this matter yourself.
Charity should be anonymous say those who don’t donate! Should not donating be anonymous too? People who are saying this would be effusing admiration if obama made a public donation.
Will be matching x2 via Kiva loans to the Philippines.
http://www.kiva.org/team/philippines
@ur momisugly philjourdan
My link shows that Australians give more out of their own pockets than US citizens. Your statement implied that every country in the world was inferior to the US. As an (adopted) Australian, I have no need to feel inferior.
@Pompouos Git – Actually it was not my statement that you were replying to initially when you presented the chart. That was Chuck L. I was just remarking that while the US is not #1, it was still up there at the top.
@ur momisugly M Courtney
I failed to impart what was in my mind when I typed that. The frift is opposite in sign to what I expected to find; that is right to left rather than vice versa.
As for bureaucracies, I’m mild Aspergers and as is usual for aspies, I found myself frequently bullied when working in “co-operative” bureaucracies. I fully understand the need for co-operation in order for civilisation to exist, but find the political machinations unfathomable to say the least.
REPLY: So the real question here Jon, did YOU step up and donate? I think not. – Anthony???
Very presumptuous aren’t we? I did donate … You need to grow up too!
M Courtney says: @ur momisugly November 11, 2013 at 3:33 am
On the subject of which I do not understand how anyone could have missed the need to give from our relative riches to those suffering in this horrendous circumstance. It isn’t a left wing/right wing issue.
It is a humane issue.
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I agree, time to leave out the politics. We are all human.
For those like me who dislike the Red Cross, 12 other options are listed HERE.
Louise says: @ur momisugly November 11, 2013 at 5:36 am
What sort of person brags about their charitable donations?
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One who is trying to get others to match his donations in this case and he is doing rather well at it too :>)
@Gail Combs And neither Louise nor Laden has donated a cent as far as I can tell
Sour grapes from them is all I’ve heard.
The Pompous Git says: @ur momisugly November 11, 2013 at 3:15 pm
… Politicz often makes strange bedfellows…
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Ain’t that the truth. I rather judge by actions and not supposed political affiliations. They certainly have no place on a charity drive.
The Pompous Git says: @ur momisugly November 11, 2013 at 3:54 pm
….Perhaps that’s why Americans feel less need to dig into their own pockets to help.
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That is not what I am finding.
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=americans+generosity&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest
A discussion of the ‘controversy’ can be found at Philanthropy Round table
Are Americans Generous?
Shattering the myth of American stinginess
http://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/topic/excellence_in_philanthropy/are_americans_generous
Looks like it depends on how you slice and dice the information. (So whats new) Also it is a matter of the amount of disposable wealth. Those who would donate generously without even giving it much thought ten to twenty years ago may no longer even have a job today and therefore can’t donate more than a couple of bucks if that.
ColA says: @ur momisugly November 11, 2013 at 7:45 pm
….. In the display is a section of a tree trunk about 500 mm or 20 in in diameter and 2 m long from memory, the reason this tree trunk is there is the sheet of custom orb roof sheeting protruding right through it! An image that has stuck with me for years….
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My EX lived through the Palm Sunday Tornado that went through the state of Indiana in the 1960s. Helping during the clean up he saw a piece of straw driven all the way through a telephone pole. Weird.
ATheoK says:
November 12, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Supplying the actual JTWC links would be nice too, especially as the NOAA rewritten versions are not trustworthy.
This any good?
http://www.webcitation.org/6KyWsFio5
There are also some blogs online which were following the typhoon live and were reporting JWTC bulletins – like this one:
WTPN33 PGTW 072100
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING//
RMKS/
1. SUPER TYPHOON 31W (HAIYAN) WARNING NR 019
01 ACTIVE TROPICAL CYCLONE IN NORTHWESTPAC
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS BASED ON ONE-MINUTE AVERAGE
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
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WARNING POSITION:
071800Z — NEAR 10.6N 127.0E
MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS – 280 DEGREES AT 21 KTS
POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 020 NM
POSITION BASED ON EYE FIXED BY SATELLITE
PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION:
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS – 170 KT, GUSTS 205 KT M
MAX WAVE HEIGHT- 50 FEET.
http://www.capeweather.com/weather-ftopic-2059-days0-orderasc-30.html
Gail Combs said @ur momisugly November 12, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Last summer there were devastating fires at Dunalley here in Tasmania. Pix here:
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=dunalley+bushfires&safe=off&rlz=1C1ASUM_enAU545AU545&espv=210&es_sm=122&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=C9aCUrAPyZaIB7XggKgG&ved=0CDsQsAQ&biw=1312&bih=1284
The village south of where I live (population 326 in 2011) had a fundraiser for the victims (Geeveston: Population, 1,431 in 2011). We raised over $25,000. Doesn’t sound all that great until you realise that ever so many were workers in forestry an industry now defunct because of the greens and local businesses depend for their income on the local populace. Pompous Gits like living in a rural community; sure we’re parochial, but at least you get noticed when you need help!
Incidental to the fundraiser were the farmers donating stockfeed and machinery to Dunalley farmers who’d lost theirs.
Gail Combs said @ur momisugly November 12, 2013 at 4:05 pm
As my mother used to say: “There are no enemies, only friendships you haven’t made yet.” That’s why she’s in a maximum security lunatic asylum now ! 😉
King of Kool,
Your link is not data, its a forecast of possible weather which is estimated at the highest potential wind speed based on DVORAK T numbers from a satellite and rounded up to the nearest 5 knots.
In general actual data is from land stations (given as 2min average), Buoys (given as 8min average) and aircraft (given as estimate of 1min average based on flight level winds and mathematically calculated to 1min avg at 33ft).
v/r,
David Riser
David Riser says:
November 12, 2013 at 5:49 pm
King of Kool,
Your link is not data…
David, I am well aware of that. ATheoK was enquiring about JTWC links. I am sure that the official ranking of this typhoon will be debated ad nauseum by many, much more qualified than I.
Until it is resolved we can only hope that the victims do not become too much of a political or religious football, we all learn something and our leaders take away the right lessons from the disaster.
Paradoxical Commandment No. 2: If you do good, people will accuse you of selfish ulterior motives. Do good anyway.
Well done Anthony and to the the WUWT readers who have shown true class. Laden is attention seeking fool, I am also pleased to hear that he is retired – hate to think somone like this could be in the education system in some way.
For any of your Canadian readers, Govt. of Canada to match relief contributions: http://www.international.gc.ca/media/dev/news-communiques/2013/11/10a.aspx?lang=eng
@ur momisugly philjourdan
Please accept my apologies.
@The Pompous Git – Gladly – and thank you for the link. It was still very educational.
Hi, I stumbled upon your blog while I was searching the updates for the typhoon Haiyan. The title of this entry caught my attention and got me curious on this Mr. Laden. I think he has no money to donate because all he posts on his blog are bogus and awful and he has no readers, so he can’t earn from his blog. Hehe :p
Anyway, in behalf of my countrymen (I’m half Filipina), thank you so much for your heart of giving and it’s definitely not going to be in vain 🙂 God bless you.
No, to both of them.
The first looks to be NOAA’s version of the JTWC news briefing estimate. Furthermore, there is no ‘average wind speed’ or ‘sustained 1 minute wind speed’ or ‘gusts’. Which given that JTWC is estimating using satellite images, is the proper way to report their estimate.
The second is not an official warning or news briefing. That looks to have part of the NOAA/JTWC header and is retyped by someone not associated with either NOAA or JTWC.
Also check out the latest Haiyan threads.
Thanks for the link to the Philippines Red Cross, Anthony. I have matched your contribution. Best regards from Sweden, and keep up the good work!
Is this a joke? The Red Cross is a useless organization.
I know this is no longer a top news item, latest information direct from the government: http://www.ndrrmc.gov.ph/
Latest information is in a PDF (large) file, some news outlets continue to cover this story (count matches the government update): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25051606
Not as covered are the number of missing (1,611), injured (23,404), affected (10,004,125), displaced (4,300,486).
Still nothing from G. Laden?