…because the Earth has experienced massive CO2 pulses and recovered before.
From the something you don’t see every day department comes this graph:
Atmospheric CO2 Concentration by Geologic Time Period
Source: GeoCO2.png Photo by dhm1353 | Photobucket
H/t to Tom Nelson
Here’s the next graph showing the sources:
Source: http://s90.photobucket.com/user/dhm1353/media/CO2_Decline.png.html
Data sources here: (thanks to Bill Illis)
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Reference_Docs/Geocarb_III-Berner.pdf
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/climate_forcing/trace_gases/phanerozoic_co2.txt
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/climate_forcing/trace_gases/pagani2005co2.xls
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/icecore/antarctica/epica_domec/edc-co2-2008.xls
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/climate_forcing/trace_gases/royer2006co2.xls
(Don’t use the Boron or Paleosols method ones, they are unreliable)
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/paleocean/by_contributor/pearson2000
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/ipcc2007/ipcc2007fig61top.xls
(Don’t use the Boron or Paleosols method ones, they are unreliable)
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/contributions_by_author/pearson2009/pearson2009.xls
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/contributions_by_author/tripati2009/tripati2009.xls
http://www.snowballearth.org/Bao08.pdf
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/contributions_by_author/hoenisch2009/hoenisch2009.xls
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v4/n7/extref/ngeo1186-s1.xls
(Don’t use the Boron or Paleosols method ones, they are unreliable)
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v486/n7401/extref/nature11200-s2.xls
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v486/n7401/extref/nature11200-s2.xls


Being a software engineer, the La Brea Tar Pits have an almost mythical meaning to us. (Look up the book The Mythical Man-Month, the cover image is of the tar pits in action.) I have made my pilgrimage there. Wasn’t too hard, I was in Santa Monica on business.
Ric, I have found another kin. You have read ‘The Mythical Man Month’. Brilliant Book. I was a lot of things in my career including Senior Project Manager and Software Engineering Instructor and the MMM was my bible. I was severely criticised on one occasion by a feminist loon when I used one of the inter-chapter quotes “If it takes one woman 9 months to have baby how long does it take 9 women” She really blew.
tty says:
August 9, 2013 at 1:46 am
Stuart McL says:
“Care to name 2 or three species that have gone extinct in the last 100 years.”
Ah but can you name some new species that have been found.?
David L. Hagen says: @ur momisugly August 8, 2013 at 3:59 pm
…. Developing world farmers need all the help they can get from higher CO2 and higherer precipitation to better feed their families.
Why are “climate scientists” inverting the evidence with systemically biased unvalidated models?
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(I agree with the farmers needing the help of CO2.)
Why are “climate scientists” inverting the evidence? Because they are paid to do so. If they don’t go along with the political agenda they get the boot.
The whole scam is political and has been from the very beginning. It was never about determining what factors control climate but providing ‘a scientific basis’ for controlling people. The IPCC even comes right out and says so.
Pascal Lamy Director-General of the World Trade Organization gives the reasons.
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” ~ H. L. Mencken
CAGW is an excellent illustration of this statement.
Kit Carruthers says:
August 8, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Your graphs show nothing about temperature, so where does the assertion come that CO2 won’t affect temperature? A more meaningful (not to mention honest) illustration would be to show palaeo temperatures plotted with CO2 concentrations.
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And how will that tell us a darn thing except what this chart already said, The earth had much higher CO2 and life survived.
The problem is something call ‘Confounding Factors’
In this case the confounding factor is the placement of the continents, the closing of the Isthmus of Panama and formation of Drakes Passage.
The palaeo-temperature record shows an abrupt drop in global temperature after this event happened. No CO2 needed. link
kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
August 8, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Uh-oh, the CO₂ level is dropping fast. Won’t be much longer until the plants shut down, then all life expires except a few small critters not using oxygen-based respiration….
…insane people want to capture it from power plant exhaust, so they can creatively dispose of it deep underground where they hope it will be gone forever. Don’t they understand this clearly-presented evidence? Why do they want to exterminate virtually all life on Earth? ARE THEY MAD?
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My feeling exactly! But try telling the Tree Huggers that.
Ain’t propaganda and brainwashing great. /sarc
Master of Space and Thyme says:
August 8, 2013 at 4:58 pm
kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
August 8, 2013 at 4:39 pm
“Uh-oh, the CO₂ level is dropping fast. Won’t be much longer until the plants shut down, then all life expires except a few small critters not using oxygen-based respiration.”
I hope you are not serious and that you just neglected to mark the comment as being snark.
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I do not know about kadaka, but I am deadly serious. According to Henry’s Law cold water absorbs CO2. C3 plants were already having a tough time during the last couple Glaciations and C4 grasses took over much of the earth. What in heck do you think will happen during the next glaciations? The earth’s atmosphere and the life adapted to it has made major changes already.
Doesn’t anybody teach basic geology in high school anymore?
Interesting. We are at the low end of CO2 concentration now.
Know i know what the the Biblical Admonition to “Replenish the Earth” means.
Hope we’re not too late.
Dirk H
Plants adapted, not the world. There is a spurious point being raised: no humans or their activities were affected back in the Cambrian. That is the issue now.
Margaret
Recourse to very ancient CO2 concentrations – it is not proof. Every supporter of the theory of AGW cite us to the basic knowledge of textbook:
“Analogy with other stars observed today at different stages of development suggest that the Sun would have been about 25-30% less luminous when the Earth formed, and that its luminosity would gradually have increased to its present level.” (here: The Cretaceous World – Page 85 – Skelton – 2003).
“…the Boron or Paleosols method ones, they are unreliable …”
Tripati type of paper (2009) – Boron, yes – indeed: „they are unreliable”. Therefore, these papers are used by the “alarmist” to formulate assertions:„The present CO2 concentration is higher than paleoclimatic and geologic evidence indicates has occurred at any time in the last 15 million years.” (Potsdam report).
… meanwhile: (http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/~polissar/teaching/F2012_G9600_Climate_Puzzles_of_the_Neogene/LaRiviere_etal_2012_Suppl.pdf): “… we consider it premature to apply the B/Ca to long (myr) reconstructions of past pCO2, as Tripati et al.9 did. … … the uncertainties associated with these estimates are too large to constrain the pCO2 changes of the past 15 myrs. For this reason we have excluded these estimates …”
Pagani (2010) and especially Seki (2010. Alkenone and boron-based Pliocene pCO2 records) prove that adequately “treated” – they (Boron) fully reliable (even problems).
Also appropriately selected “Paleosols method” are completely reliable (Quantifying and understanding the uncertainty of atmospheric CO2 concentrations determined from calcic paleosols, Breecker, 2013.: “… uncertainty is minimized for soils in which CO2 is an evenly balanced mixture between soil-derived and atmospheric components. Evenly balanced mixtures are most likely for paleosols formed in deserts and for weakly-developed paleosols.”).
There is no reason that the data obtained from this type of proxy (Paleosols) diminish by 2-3 times, as recently doing some researchers (I will not cite them because it not worth).
The problem is that, for the past few millions years, of which used the other data calibration for method “Boron or Paleosols the method” and Alkenone (than for earlier periods). These are very large “corrections” due to eg the evolution of photosynthesis, upwelling, drought etc. In my view, these “corrections” are strictly necessary – but too much, many times too much. They are so big that … fit the CO2 ice cores as a proxy.
In the last 2-3 million years should therefore look for evidence (negative feedback) that the climate sensitivity to high concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere is low (and certainly there is one).
The way I read that chart is that the biosphere as figured out how to exploit the overabundance of atmospheric CO2 to it’s advantage and is at the limit.
You know, there is a way to end the debate about global warming, replenish all life on earth, and put an end to nuclear proliferation (trying saying that while drunk). Seems like a win for everybody. Here’s how you do it:
Find some nice big limestone deposits that don’t have people near by.
Get some big drills and put an array of deep holes in the limestone. Probably wrangle up a bunch of oil workers to do it.
Have every nuclear power on earth donate 20% of their arsenal.
Put the nukes in the holes you’ve just drilled.
Detonate.
Voila! You’ll raise CO2 levels to such heights that talk of reducing emmisions will be pointless, rendering the global warming debate moot. Plants around the world will feast. Plus, you’ll get rid of a bunch of the world’s nukes.
What’s not to like?
Anthony
I rather think the LOL is on you. My point, any AGW realist’s point, is that the changes now will adversely affect human populations. Of course trilobites didn’t build cities and I thought you would spot that joke for what it was. The dissimulation, though, is clear – it doesn’t matter to those people likely to be affected by climate change what the level of CO2 was in the Ordovician, it matters how it changes now and what the effects of that change will be. I thought my main point was clear – there are humans around now and they have built cities by the sea.
REPLY: “the changes now will adversely affect human populations” Riiight, humans, like trilobites, are incapable of adapting to different a climate. Check. Point out a place on this climate map of the Earth where people have not settled and adapted to the climate there. (Hint: there’s only one place, can you guess it?)
Your logic is about as good as Bill Mckibben’s, i.e. emotionally based.- Anthony
Margaret Hardman says:
August 9, 2013 at 8:01 am
“Anthony
I rather think the LOL is on you. My point, any AGW realist’s point, is that the changes now will adversely affect human populations. ”
Arguable. But I like your concern. What’s for sure is that abortions adversely affect human populations. Haven’t heard much about that from the concerned warmist activists, even though it is of immediate concern and very easily fixed.
Margaret Hardman says:
August 9, 2013 at 5:12 am
“Dirk H
Plants adapted, not the world.”
The world.
The atmosphere has been made by plants.
I don’t want to sound like Lovelock but the Earth is a homeostatic system with life as part of the governing loop.
To Layman:
With respect to your question about corals and ocean acidification–
corals are supposed to have evolved during the Ordovician Era,
when Co2 levels were above 4000 ppm in the atmosphere. Presumably
the ocean was about as extremely acidified as it could get. The
corals dealt with it fine, as evidenced by the fact that they are
still here.
The evidence for ocean pH changes causing coral bleaching is
sketchy, as with most of the claimed effects of higher CO2. What
DOES seriously hurt corals is ordinary water pollution–industrial
effluents getting into the ocean. That is a real problem, as opposed
to the largely fake problem of coral bleaching caused by CO2.
@Margaret Hardman
The earth is just around the corner to move from this short 12,000-year interglacial period into another 90,000-year glaciation period. This seesawing has occurred with relative regularity for the last 2.6 million years. There is really nothing going on at the present time to suggest this will change in the future. This brings about a good news-bad news scenario for our coastal cities.
First, the good news: all of our coastal cities will be saved from flooding as sea levels will lower considerably.
Second, the bad news: most of our coastal cities north of the 40th parallel will be under at least 2000 metres of an ice sheet near the end of this glaciation period.
The phrase “and recovered before” is besides the point and unintentionally adds credence to the AGW nonsense.
CO2 is not a climate driver. Therefore high CO2 levels are not something to “recover” from.
very good post, charts are incredible
Margaret Hardman says: “(Nothing matters except this) there are humans around now and they have built cities by the sea.”
Who cares where buildings are built when Glaciation starts? I believe you have your priorities twisted. We are nearing the end of our interglacial period. To worry about warming at this geological time is like worrying about falling off the edge of the earth a few hundred years ago.
Why are you are trying to sell Eskimo’s a refrigerator?
For me the most informative graph of CO2 and palaeo temps over the last 600 million years is this one.
The blue dots are the data. The lines are for political corectness and the reader can asssess for themselves their correspondence to reality.
In general this figure supports statements here that we are close to the low, not the high, end of the range of CO2 levels safe for the biosphere.
It’s really, really simple in concept. Temperature drives CO2. Duh. Trouble is, it’s not linear. We yearn for neat little boxes. E=MC squared. Just square it off.
The sun is a main sequence star. It was probably dimmer 400 mya, but not in a linear way. Paleosols? How many Ordovician soils have you seen lately?
When the layered differentials are considered (ignoring for the moment the integrals), one begins to fathom the problem we face. The system response was different when the sun was generally dimmer and the CO2 atmospheric component was generally much higher. Nevertheless, there is good evidence in the Honaker Trail formation that The Carboniferous/Permian glacial period was characterized by the same sort of glacial/interglacial oscillations we see in the ice cores and ocean sediments from our modern glacial period.
Glacial periods are the biological analogues of economic depressions. Every prior glacial period has ended, but the money (Carbon) supply seems to be generally dwindling. One might wonder how many more glacial periods the planet can afford.
JimS says we are in for renewed glaciation. Ox AO says the current interglacial is about to end. We’ve got plenty of time, in the order of 20,000 years to worry about that. Since you and others don’t get my point, I am currently looking across the Bay of Naples at Vesuvius. When it erupted in 79ad, thousands died. A similar eruption today would kill tens of thousands. Our modern world is predicated on a continuation of what we have now. Many changes will be good, many neutral and many bad. No one here denies that climates change. Ameliorating those changes is not a bad idea. It doesn’t matter what causes them, if the climate changes too rapidly, there will be human suffering. End of story. Now do you get t?
Margaret writes “I thought my main point was clear – there are humans around now and they have built cities by the sea.”
IF CO2 is warming the earth anything like the global warming enthusiasts are predicting, its still going to be over many scores and more likely hundreds of years. Do you think the cities of today are even remotely like those of say 1913 ? Sea level has already been rising and we’ve coped just fine.
You need some perspective.
Kit Carruthers, the charts showing CO2 and temperature (geocarb) have been shown on this site previously. Hence, there has been no attempt to hide anything. I agree that newer readers will not be aware of this fact, however, you shouldn’t make accusations without knowing the big picture.