Dr. Murray Salby on Model World -vs- Real World

Pierre Gosselin (and commenter Bill_W) tips us to this:

Die kalte Sonne website here has just posted the video presentation of Murry Salby in Hamburg in April. If anyone ever demolished the dubious CO2 AGW science, it’s Salby!

Most of the presentation is very mathematical and technical. But the last 10 minutes sums everything up very nicely for the laypersons.

Watch the divergence: 

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climatologist
June 10, 2013 9:56 am

Go Murry!

June 10, 2013 10:04 am

Selected slides from and summary of presentation:
Climate scientist Dr. Murry Salby explains why man-made CO2 does not drive climate change
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2013/06/climate-scientist-dr-murry-salby.html

kramer
June 10, 2013 10:08 am

Ever since I read about him and saw his video last year, I’ve been waiting to hear more from him. Thanks hockeyschtick and WUWT for posting this…

Robert of Ottawa
June 10, 2013 10:13 am

Couldn’t have put it better myself 🙂

milodonharlani
June 10, 2013 10:36 am

This important talk sadly appears poorly attended.
Thank God (not Gore) for the Internet.

Jim Clarke
June 10, 2013 10:45 am

“If it disagrees with observation, it’s wrong. That’s all there is to it!”
‘Nough said.

David, UK
June 10, 2013 10:47 am

milodonharlani: Given how well attended WUWT and other internet forums are, I would say the attendance in the room during the lecture is pretty insignificant.
Dr Murray is always very compelling. You almost expect him to turn to the alarmists and say: “Go ahead, punks, make my day!” The last 10 mins are so are killer.

David, UK
June 10, 2013 10:50 am

Oops – Dr Salby, I should have said, of course.

David Riser
June 10, 2013 11:02 am

A Man of science without a doubt.

Eyal Porat
June 10, 2013 11:05 am

Strong words of wisdom.

Peter Miller
June 10, 2013 11:10 am

“If the model’s predictions disagree with actual observations, then the model is wrong.”
It could not be put simpler than that.
Just a little something the IPCC modellers refuse to acknowledge.

Rej Gagnon
June 10, 2013 11:10 am

Great speaker, and impressive finale.

KNR
June 10, 2013 11:13 am

Its useful to remember that the first rule of climate ‘science’ is that when the models and reality differ in value its reality which is in error .
Once you can get your head around such ‘1984 logic’ it becomes much easer to understand why climate ‘scientists’ talk the way they do.

DCA
June 10, 2013 11:24 am

Dr Judith Curry had an article about Dr Salby a year or two ago about his then upcomming paper. Was it ever accepted and published?

June 10, 2013 11:24 am

Brilliant.

Don
June 10, 2013 11:36 am

Dr. Salby appears possess a nice thick sharpened stake. Anyone know of a media hammer heavy enough to drive it home?

June 10, 2013 11:56 am

Dr. Murry Salby has it right.
Planetary temperature controls CO2 levels – not humans.

milodonharlani
June 10, 2013 12:03 pm

, UK says:
June 10, 2013 at 10:47 am
I guess it’s remarkable that anyone showed up in a country in which officials speak seriously of revoking the right to free speech for skeptics. A country I might add with a dire history of such suppression with extreme prejudice, so to speak, 1933-45.

Ryan
June 10, 2013 12:10 pm

“If the model’s predictions disagree with actual observations, then the model is wrong.”
Agreed. Why is he comparing observations to CO2 then?

Russ R.
June 10, 2013 12:16 pm

Two points of criticism relating to the last 10 minutes (which is all I watched).
1) The chart shown at 1:03:00 comparing CO2 increases and temperature anomalies only shows a large divergence because different scales are used.
2) The chart shown at 1:04:20 comparing observed CO2 increases vs. “Native Emission” (the increase expected from the integral of temperature) isn’t long enough, and doesn’t have enough variability to conclude that the two are identical.
I try to apply the same level of skepticism to all arguments I encounter… regardless of whether or not I agree with the conclusion.

Philip Richens
June 10, 2013 12:18 pm

It’s an impressive talk.
From 2011, the following criticism (last para) from another climate scientist (together with much gloating from other commenters):
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2011/08/unforced-variations-aug-2011/comment-page-2/#comment-212401
This criticism now looks to me invalid because it doesn’t take account of the residence time of CO2, as Salby does.
Other criticisms:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/co2_measurements.html#The_mass_balance
I don’t know if this is any better founded.

DirkH
June 10, 2013 12:21 pm

milodonharlani says:
June 10, 2013 at 12:03 pm
, UK says:
June 10, 2013 at 10:47 am
I guess it’s remarkable that anyone showed up in a country in which officials speak seriously of revoking the right to free speech for skeptics. A country I might add with a dire history of such suppression with extreme prejudice, so to speak, 1933-45.”
Hamburg is the warmist capitol of Germany. I worked there for two years and haven’t met anyone who doubted the warmist dogma; this was after COP 15 / climategate. It is also home to a strictly hard left public broadcaster, the NDR, and to the hard left agitprop front Der Spiegel.

Crispin in Waterloo
June 10, 2013 12:24 pm

Excellent presentation with the relationships clearly set down both for short and long timescales. I have referred others to it for their edification.

Stephen Wilde
June 10, 2013 12:31 pm

“If the oceans warm for any reason they will release CO2 into the atmosphere because water holds less CO2 at higher temperatures.”
From here:
http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=1041&linkbox=true&position=2
Global Warming and Cooling – The Reality by Stephen Wilde
Wednesday, May 7th 2008, 10:39 AM EDT
Strange that we have had to wait so long for someone in authority to confirm the obvious.

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