
UPDATE: I’ve answered questions from commenters below in the FAQs, and added additional diagrams – Anthony
Much to the chagrin of people who are sure I’m evil, in the pocket of big oil, and highly carbon positive, I’m actually an independent and pretty energy efficient guy, and I challenge any of my detractors to show their solar and energy efficiency projects. Put your money where your mouthpiece is, I say. For example, do loud climate campaigners Joe Romm and Bill McKibben have solar power on their homes? Do Jim Hansen and Michael Mann have solar power while telling us we all must cut back our energy usage linked to fossil fuels? Inquiring minds want to know.
Readers may recall last summer that I put up my third solar power project, my first being on my older home, then a large 125KW solar project I started as Trustee for the Chico Unified School District. My third project is doing quite well, and a number of readers have asked for an update on my original article as they are considering doing what I have done. This being the day of the electricity denying “Earth Hour”, I thought it would be a good day to write about how I’m beating my electric bill. You see, while many tout the supposed CO2 saving properties of solar panels, my impetus is entirely different: I’m hedging against California’s exorbitant green-driven utility rates.
For example, see below from my bill last year when temperatures went up in the summer, and tell me if where you live you come anywhere close to paying what I do.
Above: my actual rate and costs from last summer June-July 2012.
Thanks to PG&E’s new smart-meter system, they can now gouge me more efficiently and on schedule, when I need electricity to keep cool the most. I doubt there’s anyone reading this entry that pays 93 cents per kilowatt-hour to keep their home cool in summer.
I (along with millions of others in California) pay what I call a “location tax” due to my living in California’s Sacramento Valley, where summer temperatures regularly hit and exceed 100F. The majority of California’s population, living along the coast, don’t see temperatures anywhere near that, and thus don’t have similar air conditioning issues.
And, with the California Air Resources Board (CARB) running amok with cap-and-trade regulation frenzy, with refusal of coal and nuclear energy, relying on green wind power mostly for the future, combined with a looming national Carbon Tax, finding a way to generate your own electricity is in my opinion, the best hedge against future cost increases. Climate concerns don’t even rate with me on this issue, I’m thinking more about my financial future and the health and comfort of my family, and that’s why I got a solar system – it’s a hedge against the green energy and climate madness.
Here’s how I beat the green menace and PG&E.
Remember back in December when climate scientist Dr. Michael Mann was so out of touch that he couldn’t even conceive that I could do calendars for myself (I sent him a free one), but instead it must have been some nefariously funded production? Well, he probably can’t conceive of how I put up my own solar system either, since like the Josh Calendars, I did it using COSTCO and some sweat equity.
Here’s a few FAQs.
1. Did “big oil” or some other entity pay you to do this?
No.
Did you use government grants to do this? No. Did you get money from the WUWT tip jar or calendar sales to do this? No.
So how did you pay for this? Simple. I took out a low-interest loan against my savings account the contents of which was then converted to a certificate of deposit spanning five years. I’ll have the solar system paid for in five years, and the CD will be free at that time. Then I’ll have a solar system and my savings principal intact plus I’ll get interest on the certificate of deposit. Basically I’m trading my PG&E electric bill for a financing bill for five years.
How much did it cost? About $25,000 and change, fully installed, plus shipping and tax on the hardware portion.
2. Why didn’t you get one of those “no money down” solar systems being advertised today?
I’m borrowing and adapting a popular credit card slogan to best explain this: “ownership has its advantages”. I looked into several of these other plans, and when I penciled out the entire scheme, it didn’t make much financial sense, and at the end of the lease, I either had to buy the system at “fair market value” (to be determined) or they come and remove the system. And given the number of solar company bankruptcy/failures out there (think Solyndra), I was concerned that I’d be straddled with a system that was orphaned due to the company going out of business and the debt purchased by some holding company, who could then argue that previous contracts were “null and void” due to such bankruptcy and “oh, by the way here’s your new payment schedule”. When you want to control your own destiny, relying on others is not a safe bet.
3. Grid-tied or battery storage?
It is a grid-tied system. Battery storage systems really don’t make any sense for a city dweller, as they are primarily off-the-grid type applications where you need independent power 24/7. This was primarily a financial consideration, not a power security one.
4. Did you get any government rebates?
No, there was a PG&E rebate program, which put about $1200 (based on my system size) back in my pocket, but as I said earlier, I got no government money related to this. There will be some small tax advantages for me.
5. Does it make any noise or heat?
No, the inverters are essentially silent, except for one small fan. The inverters do make some waste heat, but they are mounted outside, and not an issue. The solar panels actually help keep the house a bit cooler, as they absorb sunlight for a good portion of the roof space, which otherwise would have gone to heating the attic.
6. Has it saved you money?
Yes, absolutely. More details follow.
7. How does your power bill work now?
We get a quarterly summary showing our electric use/surplus, and a year-end “true up” bill to balance any difference. We still have to pay for natural gas usage separately.
8. How big is it? How much power?
36 panels, of 250watts each, for a maximum DC output of 9000 watts (9KW). Of course that’s under optimal sun angle and atmospheric conditions, and with DC to AC power conversion loss, the real max is closer to 6500 watts of AC power. Typical days run anywhere from 4500-5500 KW at peak sun. I opted for the better monocrystalline (blue color) panels rather than the polymorphous (brownish) solar panels as they are more efficient and longer lasting.
9. (added) How soon do you expect to be able to pay back your investment?
If I assume a linear payback rate, it would be about 12 years. However, I think it will be closer to 9 years based on my estimates of what the future holds. First, a look at recent rates by state:
Source: http://www.pacificpower.net/about/rr/rpc.html
Now, look at the forecast for residential electricity prices. It isn’t linear.
Source: US Department of Energy
10. (added) What is your cost of capital?
The way my loan is setup, guaranteed against a certificate of deposit earning interest, the APR works out to 0.8%. Over 5 years, that works out to be $511.66 for the cost of the loan.
11. (added) How does the mounting system affect your roof integrity? Will you get leaks?
The installation was guaranteed to be leak free, and after this winter rains, I can testify to that. The way the roof mount works, the screws used to secure the rack support post are put under a metal “flashing” cone, and screwed in with a sealant applied to the screw threads. This guarantees that there’s no rain penetration because the flashing not only prevents the screws from getting rain in the first place, the flashing acts just like another shingle. Here’s a diagram I prepared showing how it works:
See a descriptive animation here: http://www.unirac.com/video/animations/solarmount-i/index.html
12. Why didn’t you go with larger panels (like the 300 watt panels of the same size).
Because the volume pricing COSTCO had arranged (at that time) did not offer that size. Adding my 2% COSTCO rebate combined with the lower overall cost made the 250watt panels a no-brainer.
Specs on the panels are here:
GRAPE SOLAR 250W MONO PDF
13. How was the system shipped?
It arrived by truck as two large pallets, plus a third long package of rails. I stored these in my garage, unpacked them, and hauled the shipping materials to my office dumpster.
14. What about possible hail damage?
The rated impact resistance: hail diameter of 28mm (1.1″) with speed of 86km/h. (53mph)
These panels are really tough. My installer says you can drop them from the roof onto the concrete and they’ll survive just fine (he’s done it by accident more than once). here is a video and a news item that suggests the panels are tougher than the roofing.
News item:
Surprisingly little damage to rooftop solar panels
The epic hailstorm did surprisingly little damage to the tens of thousands of pricey solar-power arrays built on metro Phoenix rooftops in recent years.
http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/20110930biz-hailstorm1002solar.html
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Purchasing the system
As I mentioned, I used COSTCO to buy the entire hardware system. They resell from a company in Oregon called “Grape Solar“. Here’s their largest package:
I actually wanted more power than that, so I contacted Grape Solar directly, described my needs, showed my house roof plan and power bills, and they came up with a custom design for me at no charge. Here’s the line item summary of what I bought:
I did a lot of research on this system, and found it was well designed and likely to live up to its claims, 8 months in, so far so good.
NOTE: Detailed instructions on how to order your own system from COSTCO follow at the end of this article.
Here’s links to manuals (PDF) on the items above:
- Grid-tied Solar System Layout Example
- Solar System Install Guide
- Solar Panel Specification Sheet
- PV Power Inverter Manual
- Solar System Quickstart Guide
I particularly like the Kaco Blue Planet DC to AC PV inverters, which are compact, quiet, efficient, and good-looking to boot. Here they are (5000 watt and 3500 watt models) on the side of my home with the PG&E SmartMeter. DC power comes in at the conduit from the solar panels at top right, AC power exits at bottom left in the curved conduit to junction box to tie into my AC mains breaker box.
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Installing the solar system
While I “could” have done the entire installation myself, having mad electric and electronic skills, I opted to have someone experienced in this particular technology do it for me. The Grape Solar company contact gave me a list of certified installers in the area, and I called each of them up and asked them questions. The guy who held up under my intense questioning (A fellow in Redding named Baran Galocy) got the job. For some of the installers, I knew more than they did, never a good sign. Choose wisely.
Plus, this fellow was willing to work with me to trade some sweat equity for a lower installation cost. Since a good portion of time is spent in transport, unpacking, staging, and disposal of packaging, I opted to perform those tasks in sync with his job schedule to save labor time and thus money. Check with an installer you might choose to see if they will do the same for you.
Permits, of course are required. The first step was getting a city work permit, so that the city could get their “cut”. I say this because their inspection was total BS, the inspector never opened a panel box or climbed on the roof to inspect panels. He was most interested in whether mandated warning labels like this below (to protect the stupid) were properly applied. Your mileage in your city may vary. Fortunately the installer handled getting these, keeping my blood pressure down.
The next step was to put up the UNIRAC mounting system on the roof:
This took about three partial work days to complete, since only mad dogs and Englishmen work on rooftops in the midday summer sun. Here it is completed:
The next step was placing and securing panels, while doing base panel wiring:
Note the ladder contraption at the right. This is carpet remnants secured to ladder and rooftop. Shown in red to the left of the ladder is a nylon rope hawser with clips I designed that allows the man on top to pull up the panels while I push from below. This saves your back, plus virtually eliminates the possibility of dropping them and/or an injurious fall. The carpet prevents the panels from being scratched or damaged while they are pulled up.
This paneling operation took about two partial work days to complete.
Finally, the last step was to hang the inverters on the outside wall and to finish all the interconnect wiring. which took about another day.
Waiting for the city building inspector and for PG&E to “approve” the installation for grid connect took far longer than the actual installation. Then I discovered that PG&E changed one of their forms in the middle of the process, and we had to re-do the paperwork. While the install was competed in August, we didn’t actually get the final connect and switchover to net metering until December. Ain’t bureaucracy grand? I was just unlucky, you can figure about 2-4 weeks in most cases.
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Results!
Here is a photo of my SmartMeter running today at about 940AM:
The 5.01 kW reading is my instantaneous generation, note at the right side it says “Received”. If I am using more power than I generate (or it is nighttime) that will switch to say “Delivered”. So now as I’m writing this, I’m 5kW net positive at my home.
At the top, in the big numbers is the summation of Kilowatt-hours over the lifetime of the meter. When the meter is delivered, it is set to read 00000. If I am using more electricity than I generate, it will show a net positive value (i.e 00234) if I have generated more electricity than I used, it will go backwards from 99999 and as this shows I’m at 99340, leaving a surplus of 660 Kilowatt-hours since the system was switched over in December. most of December and January was fairly overcast here, so my biggest gains have been recent, as shown in my SmartMeter summary online (highlighted in Yellow), I’ve now surpassed energy-efficient homes in my area:
My usage has gone negative:
Nice to see the money flowing to me too, here’s my quarterly bill:
Unfortunately, I still have to pay all those taxes and fees amounting to $4.66, even though I’m a net generator rather than a consumer, but I’ll take the deal.
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How this works
The strategy is simple, generate/save as much electricity as you can during non-summer months, bank it (as shown on the meter) and then draw against that bank of generated energy during the summer or when you need power. Hopefully at the end of the true-up period, I’ll end up with surplus, in which case PG&E is now mandated by state law to send me a check. Amazingly, it didn’t used to be that way, and they were getting free surplus electricity.
If at the end of the true-up period, I used electricity, I pay for that then. Since I’m able to watch usage online and on the SmartMeter, it should be manageable to ensure we come out ahead (unless we have an extended heat wave). No matter what though, we are pretty much free of the tyranny of the 90 cents per kilowatt-hour in the summer when tiered rates kick in to punish us valley dwellers.
More info on the net metering program is here: http://www.pge.com/en/myhome/saveenergymoney/solarenergy/solarupgrade/index.page
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Do you want one for yourself? Here’s how you can help yourself and help me in the process.
Since I’ve done all the work of documenting the process, the Grape Solar Company has agreed to offer me a finders fee for anyone who purchases a similar system through them via COSTCO. Here’s how to do it:
1. Contact Steve Bouton or Garret Towne at Grape Solar via telephone or by email:
Grape Solar, Inc. 1305 South Bertelsen Road, Eugene, Oregon 97402
Tel: 541.349.9000 Fax: 541.343.9000
Email: steven.bouton “at” grapesolar.com or garret.towne “at” grapesolar.com
2. Tell them you read this article, give them my name so they will credit me.
3. Give them your details, they will design a system to suit your needs free of charge. They’ll need your address, description of your view of the sky to the south (sometimes visible on Google Earth) plus your goals for electricity saving, (full replacement, supplemental, add as you go, etc.). Arrange financing if need be – note how I used my local bank to finance a loan against my savings account for a win-win.
4. Grape Solar will set you up with a custom order you can place on COSTCO.com that will include everything you will need. Then contact an installer. They’ll also supply a list of installers in your area if you don’t wish to do the work yourself. As I mentioned, you may be able to do some work yourself to help the installer to save money. Be sure to ask.
5. You’ll make the order with COSTCO, either you’ll need a credit card with a high limit or you’ll have to wire the money to COSTCO (which is what I did). BE SURE TO ASK TO HAVE YOUR COSTCO MEMBERSHIP NUMBER APPLIED TO THE SALE. This will ensure that if you have an account that gives you a rebate for year total purchases, you’ll get that year-end 2% cash back. 2% of a $20K system is $400, well worth the effort!
6. You have your installer get work permits and do the paperwork with your local utility company – this is key. Without these being done right, you are dead in the water. make sure your installer will do these for you.
7. Install the system – get it inspected and turned on. Submit final paperwork to your local utility company for any rebate programs they may have.
8. Keep all your paperwork for tax time – you may be eligible for tax credits – check with your tax preparer.
9. Enjoy a lower or zero power bill
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I hope this gives everyone who is interested the path forward. if you have questions about this please ask in comments. – Anthony
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“The inverters do make some waste heat, but they are mounted outside, and not an issue.”
UHE!
Simon says “I think it makes sense all round. If you can [..] reduce CO2, why wouldn’t you? I think most people who genuinely approach the whole GW thing with an open mind, accept that CO2 is causing some warming, it’s just a question of how much that is the debate.”
CO2 and Global Warming have been demonised. Warming is beneficial not damaging (think food production, think excess winter deaths).
DirkH says “As always, the fault is not with the technology but with meddling politicians.”
So true.
Thanks Anthony, for sharing your experiences with us.
My personal experiences: we have a household, 3 people, Netherlands.
We pay 7/9 Eurocents/kWh for the bare energy (high /low tariff). Add Energytax 13 Eurocents/kWh. Transport costs per year: 227 Euro; cost of metering per year: 72 euro.
I have decided to install a 6.24 kWp solar installation (24 panels @ur momisugly 260 Wp each), with a Kostal Piko 4.2 3 -phase inverter. This system will go on-line next week, all clearances are in, including the subvention of 625 Euro of the Government.
It is bizarre. Stealing, legally, from my neighbors via governmental approved schemes.
> Most roofs in California are cement or clay tile and will long outlast a solar system.
Yikes. One of several places where I’ve tripped over the alternate meaning for “solar system”. I don’t think Anthony’s roof will make through the Sun’s red giant phase, though plate tectonics will likely recycle the roof long before then.
Perhaps we can call it a PV system, photovoltaic system, or solar power system.
I’m lucky to live in the Pacific Northwest where power cost me $.06 kWh. Even though I live in an all electric home I use my woodstove for heat. But with hot water, electric range and lights I still average about $30 a month for electric. But at Latitude 45 PV just isn’t very practical. My estimate is with PV my cost would be about $0.64 kWh with all the tax breaks/subsidies.
Peter responds to Stephen @ur momisugly 12:38pm
Nice for you Stephen, but I am on the east coast of North America @ur momisugly45 north, and trust me, our climates have nothing in common, other than latitude. We still have 45cm of snow on the ground, the lakes are still frozen and will be until late April, and we also get 2500 hours of sunshine but it takes 4 years.
The pv system I have here in the UK is much smaller that Anthony’s at just 1.65Kw peak. The wacky procedure they’ve set up is index linked so the more stupid they get with energy policy, the more I make.
I have some Trinasolar 200 watt monocrystalline panels – maximum rated 200 watt. 8 cost me $2800 installed to my existing 6 sharp 190 panels.
They have a generating area of about 1.18 sq metres per panel. They have a rated efficiency of 15.6% at 1000 w/sq metre insolation.
How can Trenberth’s claimed insolation of ~170 w/sq metre possibly be correct in any shape or form ??
At this insolation – 170 w/sq metre – these panels would generate a mere 1.18 sq metres x 170 w/sq metre x 15.6% efficiency or a huge 31.3 watts per hour.
Assume the same for the Sharp panels and the whole 14 panels would generate less than 440 watts per hour.
This is complete nonsense as I know I am generating in excess of 5 KW per day over the recent months of completely overcast weather we have had since January. When the sun re-emerged recently this amount doubled. I know because my inverter tells me what I generate.
I live at 27 degrees South so cannot expect peak insolation to reach 1000 w/sq metre.
Stephen,
One other thing, just to know how good you have it, yes I am envious, over the last 2 weeks our high was 5, and our low -12. We will not see 20 before June (if) and on our best day will not have an overnight low higher than 15. We have 8-9 months of winter and 3-4 months of poor snowmobiling.
I am engaged in an ongoing dialogue with my local utility (Azusa Light and Water) over various aspects of net metering and billing. There seem to be many uncertainties. Although KWhrs that I provide to the grid are supposed to offset KWhrs that I draw from the grid at the full retail rate, it is clear that this is not being done. Example, in my monthly bill I am not charged for the basic rate of power that I have returned to the grid. However, I am charged for the fuel surcharge, the state energy tax, the community benefit fee, and the city utility tax, on that power. The fuel surcharge in particular seems to me illegitimate. They collect it from me when I draw power from the grid, and then they collect it from my neighbors when I return the power to the grid. Double dipping, however you look at it.
I’d be interested to know if you are declaring the PGE rebate as income. I just finished helping my 91 year old mother file her taxes, which included a utility rebate for a solar installation we installed on her Sierra Vista, AZ, home last year. It turns out that where such rebates are conditioned on assigning environmental credits to the utility, the IRS is construing the transaction as a sale, the proceeds of which are taxable income.
PV manufacturers claim an ERoEi of from 6 to 30 but when independent investigators look at the same equipment, they find the ERoEI is only one. There is no way that PV is economic. Just funny math to make it look good. That funny math usually involves my taxes or an increase in my power bill.
Maybe I should add a link to my last comment:
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/business/articles/20100705arizona-solar-tax-credit-irs-letter.html
Anthony
How many hours of sunshine/bright light sufficient for power generation do you get per year? How does that break down monthly? Horses for courses, and I suspect solar power (heavily subsidised, expensive, and sold like double glazing here in the UK) is not cost effective in countries such as ours, especially in the winter months (August to June) when it is most needed.
tonyb
Those PG&E tariffs are horrendous – just where is Erin Brockovich when you need her ???
Oh that’s right – she works in Maroochydore a few miles up the road.
In a prior life, I installed solar thermal panels, not photovoltaic, but evacuated tube. Very efficient. Generally these were filled with glycol (antifreeze), and an extra large hot water cylinder with two heat exchanger coils also came as part of the package, with the other coil used by the central heating system.
I can say that these worked. Dublin is at 53° Latitude and on a December day at 4o’clock, the water temperature in the hot water cylinder was 50°C, purely from the panels. Biggest problem is getting rid of the heat in summer. This can usually be done by putting a radiator in the attic, and venting through that, or lots of baths ;-).
I installed a 3 kW system five years ago for the same reason. I live on the coast of California so I don’t need as large a system as you do, Anthony, since the ocean breezes are my AC. I generate about 90% of my own power over a year. When California’s AB 32, Global Warming Solutions Act, passed, I was convinced I needed to act. I never regretted it.
I also chose crystalline silicon panels for durability and longevity. The installation was done in conjunction with a re-roofing job which will last as long as the panels.
Firefighters have two problems with PV panels during a house fire. One is that the firefighters will disconnect the breaker to outside power to avoid electrical shock when fighting a fire. Of course with PV panels, there is still voltage there during daylight hours. The other is that burning PV panels are considered toxic. Firefighters take appropriate precautions.
The warning on the breaker panel about the PV system is both for electicians and firefighters to take precautions.
The panels themselves are not a fire risk as long as they are installed properly.
Thanks for an excellent article. Like Anthony, we have put 10 panels on our terrace house roof. in Sydney (34 degree S.) We have 10 panels and it cost us $8,000 all up with a $8,000 Government subsidy. The work was done by an installer. The panels were put up 4 years ago. Like Anthony, we did it to save money, not the planet as we could already see that CAGW was bullshit, but the Government believed in it and was about to punish the citizenry for its mania.
We have no A/C as our house was built in 1885 by people who knew that in warm areas you have small windows, verandahs and thick walls. We double insulated the roof and attic and the temperature inside is 20-24 degrees C all year round with no A/C, no matter the temperature outside (annual range 4-40 degree C).
We save about $500 pa on electricity and do not use gas. This is a return of about 6% pa. We pay about $400 pa for what extra electricity we need.
A friend of ours in Tasmania has 33 panels on his roof and is totally self-sufficient despite a lower sun-angle there.
Our house and panels are orientated towards 30 degrees West of North and this shifts peak electricity generation into the Supplier’s peak electricity charge time and interestingly, saves extra money over a pure North facing orientation.
Thanks, Anthony.
The effort has not gone unnoticed.
@ur momisugly thelastdemocrate says
“I could buy a $4dollar MlHM battery and recharge it a 100 times ,
I do not get PO’d often,
BUT can you please go back to your basement, do you really, really think re-charching comes FREE! add to that the cost ( in damage to the environment) of manufacturing and re-cycling of said batteries! (besides wearing out your shoes and wall plugs). Until the industry can give a fair balance of those issues I will stick to my 60 watt bulbs, using as little as possible.
In Seattle, there are only 14 days or so of uncomfortably hot weather in a house in the summer. I avoided air conditioning for those days by installing a couple of very large awnings on two sides of the house (cost about $2000 from Sunsetter) and adding a thermostat-controlled exhaust attic fan with a set of gravity-governed louvers in the window frame (cost about $250 from Home Depot).
(Maybe Anthony could experiment with those as well??)
I am impressed with your setup. Here in the UK we get government subsidies for energy saving. I get cheques for over £500.00 a quarter for my PV installation. As a climate sceptic I also have solar water heating, wood pellet stove and a hybrid car. BTW last week I went on a tour of Drax Power Station, the largest in the UK by far. Thanks to the crazy EU large combustion plant directive and in order to avoid enforced closure it is converting from coal to burning biofuels. They have contracted to get their wood fuel from thousands of acres of US forest and it is building two large pelleting plants on the Mississippi River. The project is costing £500m. I asked if it was viable if the government stopped interfering in the energy market? The answer was NO!
PS: I also had insulation put in the rafters.
What are you monthly savings vs Monthly cost of ownership?
Anthony, you are so right about those living in coastal areas. We lived in San Pedro for 12 years, the only A/C we had was in the car.
Do we need to invent a new Field Day class for operations like yours? I guess you would still be connected to the commercial mains. Perhaps you could disconnect your house from PG&E during the radio contest.
Hopefully PG&E is required to pay you 93 cents per kilowatt hour for surplus power you create during the peak hours.
Here in BC we of course are also required to install smart meters by our power monopoly BC Hydro, at a total cost of $2 billion. And does anyone care to guess who owns the company that is supply the smart meters. What a surprise!! The officers of BC Hydro, with close ties to the current government. And this after the government just raided BC Hydro for a couple of hundred million $$ to balance the books immediately ahead of a provincial election.
As they say, when you vote you have a choice between an incompetent and a crook.