Guest post by Dr. Norman Page
1 The IPCC’s Core Problem
The IPCC – Al Gore based Anthropogenic Global Warming scare has driven global Governments’ Climate and Energy Policies since the turn of the century. Hundreds of billions of dollars have been wasted on uneconomic renewable energy and CO2 emission control schemes based on the notions that it is both necessary and possible to control global temperatures by reducing CO2 emissions. All this vast investment is based on the simple idea that as stated in the IPCC AR4 report:
“we conclude that the global mean equilibrium warming for doubling CO2, or ‘equilibrium climate sensitivity’, is likely to lie in the range 2°C to 4.5°C, with a most likely value of about 3°C. Equilibrium climate sensitivity is very likely larger than 1.5°C.”
These values can only be reached by adopting two completely unfounded and indeed illogical assumptions and procedures:
1. CO2 is simply assumed to be the main climate forcing .This is clearly illogical because at all time scales CO2 changes follow temperature changes.
2. Positive feedback from the other GHGs – notably water vapour and methane is then added on to the effects of CO2 and attributed to it. Obviously, in nature, the increase in CO2 and Humidity are both caused by rising temperatures. It is also impossible to have a net positive feedback because systems with total positive feed back are not stable and simply run away to disaster. We wouldn’t be here to tell the tale if it were true.
From its inception the IPCCs remit was to measure Anthropogenic Climate Change and indeed Climate Change was defined as Anthropogenic until the 2011 SREX report when the definition was changed.The climate science community simply designed their models to satisfy the political requirements of their funding agencies. – Publications, academic positions,peer approval , institutional advancement and grants were unlikely to be forthcoming unless appropriate forecasts of catastrophic warming were dutifully produced. The climate models have egregious structural errors and ,what is worse, in their estimates of uncertainty the IPCC reports for Policymakers simply ignored this structural uncertainty and gave policy makers and the general public a totally false impression of the likely accuracy of their temperature forecasts.It is this aspect of the AGW meme which is especially unconscionable.
The inadequacy, not to say inanity, of the climate models can be seen by simple inspection of the following Figure 2-20 from the AR4 WG1 report.
Figure 1 from IPCC AR4
The only natural forcing is TSI and everything else is anthropogenic. For example under natural should come such things as eg Milankovitch Orbital Cycles,Lunar related tidal effects on ocean currents,Earths geomagnetic field strength and all the Solar Activity data time series – eg Solar Magnetic Sield strength, TSI ,SSNs ,GCRs ,( effect on aerosols,clouds and albedo) CHs, MCEs, EUV variations, and associated ozone variations and Forbush events. Unless the range and causes of natural variation are known within reasonably narrow limits it is simply not possible to calculate the effect of anthropogenic CO2 on climate.
The results of this gross error of scientific judgement is seen in the growing discrepancy between global temperature trends and the model projections. The NOAA SSTs show that with CO2 up 8% there has been no net warming since 1997, that ,the warming trend peaked in 2003 and that there has been a cooling trend since that time.
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/anomalies/annual.ocean.90S.90N.df_1901-2000mean.dat
The gap between projections and observations is seen below
Fig 2 ( From Prof. Jan-Erik Solheim (Oslo) )
2, The Real Climate Drivers.
Earths climate is the result of resonances between various quasicyclic processes of varying wavelengths. The long wave Milankovich eccentricity,obliquity and precessional cycles are modulated by solar “activity” cycles with millennial centennial and decadal time scales .These in turn interact with lunar cycles and endogenous earth changes in Geomagnetic Field strength ,volcanic activity and at really long time scales plate tectonic movements of the land masses.The combination of all these drivers is mediated through the great oceanic current and atmospheric pressure systems to produce the earths climate and weather.
To help forecast decadal and annual changes we can look at eg the ENSO PDO, AMO NAO indices and based on past patterns make reasonable forecasts for varying future periods. Currently the PDO suggests we may expect 20 – 30 years of cooling in the immediate future.Similarly for multidecadal, centennial and millennial predictions we need to know where we are relative to the appropriate solar cycles.The best proxies for solar “activity”are currently ,the Ap index, and the GCR produced neutron count. The solar indices are particularly important for their past history these can be retrieved from the 10 Be data.
In a previous post on http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com on 1/22/13 – Global Cooling – Timing and Amount(NH) I have made suggestions of possible future cooling based on a repetition of the solar millennial cycle. Here I point out for the modellers the value of using the Ap index as a proxy measure of solar activity. Compare the Northern Hemisphere HADSST3 Temperature anomaly since 1910 with the AP index since 1900 . Because of the thermal inertia and slow change in the enthalpy of the oceans there is a 10 – 12 year delay between the driver proxy and the temperature.
Fig 3 – From Hadley Center
Fig 4 From http://www.leif.org/research/Ap-1844-now.png
There are some good correlations .The 1900 and 1965 Ap lows correspond to the NH temperature minima at 1910 and 1975 respectively . The 1992 Ap peak ( Solar Cycle 22) corresponds to the 2003 temperature high and trend roll over- and as shown in the previous post referred to above might well represent the roll over of the millennial solar cycle which brought the Medieval and Roman warming peaks. The NH is used because it is more sensitive to forcing changes and its greater variability makes correlation more obvious.
As a simple conceptual model the Ap index can be thought of as simple proxy for hours of sunshine especially when mentally integrated over a 10 -12 year period. See Wang et al
http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/12/9581/2012/acp-12-9581-2012.pdf
As far as the future is concerned the Solar Cycle 23/24 Ap minimum in end 2009 is as low as the 1900 minimum and would suggest both a secular change in solar activity in about 2006 and a coming temperature minimum at about 2019/20. This change is also documented for TSI by Adbussamatov 2012 http://www.ccsenet.org/journal/index.php/apr/article/view/14754
Fig 5.
As a final example for this post the following figure from Steinhilber et al http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/03/30/1118965109.full.pdf
shows the close correlation of successive Little Ice Age Minima with cosmic Ray intensity.
CONCLUSION :
It is now clear that the Ap/GCR/10Be data are the best proxy measures of the Earth’s temperature driver over millennial centennial and decadal time scales. The best way of forecasting the future is to predict future solar cycles at these wavelengths keeping in mind the Earth’s magnetic field strength and obliquity trends over longer time periods.
3. The Response of the Modellers, IPCC and Political Alarmists.
The modelling community and the IPCC have both recognized that they have a problem. For example both Hansen and Trenberth have been looking for the missing heat and generating epicycle type theories to preserve their models.Hansen thinks it might have something to do with aerosols and Trenberth first wanted to hide it down the deep ocean black hole. Death Train Hansen is a lost cause as far as objective science is concerned but Trenberth has always been a more objective and judicious scientist and has recently made excellent progress in discovering a real negative feedback in the system. see
He says:
This is an encouraging start and its inclusion would improve models significantly. Clearly it would reduce very substantially the currently IPCC calculated temperature sensitivity to CO2 . He now also needs to add into the models the iris effect of the GCR modulation of the global incoming radiation flux via clouds ,possibly related natural aerosols, and resulting albedo changes on global temperatures.When this is done the sensitivity to doubling CO2 will be 1 degree or less similar to separate calculations by Lindzen, Spencer and Bjornbom:
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2013/01/new-paper-confirms-findings-of-lindzen.html
The IPCC ‘s response to the lack of warming is seen in the SREX 2011 report. they say
“Uncertainty in the sign of projected changes in climate extremes over the coming two to three decades is relatively large because climate change signals are expected to be relatively small compared to natural climate variability”.
In other words they realized that they could no longer scaremonger on the basis of the trend and so in that report and in the forthcoming AR5 they have chosen to concentrate on “extreme” events to promote their scaremongering anti CO2 policy agenda while keeping unchanged their climate sensitivity calculations. The core alarmists Hansen, Mann, McKibben and Romm and their MSM ,Celebrity and Political acolytes including Obama are simply following the IPCC script with their ever more hysterical predictions of future extreme disasters as the current earth obstinately refuses to warm up.
The AR5 Summary for Policymakers is currently in draft form.Obviously Trenberth and his associated modellers cannot restructure the models in time to change the science section but perhaps they could at least insist that the final report makes proper allowance for the structural uncertainty in the model outcomes .
CONCLUSION:
Trenberth’s latest work implies that when it is incorporated into the climate models the entire CAGW scare will collapse.
The only effect of increasing CO2 will be to ameliorate slightly the coming cold temperature trend and to help world food production by its fertilizing effect on crops.
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Ulric Lyons says:
February 22, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Typical, but far from consistent.
What would you think the solar speed was during the Maunder Minimum?
Dr Norman Page says:
February 22, 2013 at 2:26 pm
abominable no man like Leif around
Present something with substance and you will get a resounding ‘yes’.
Norman Page said:
“The 1900 and 1965 Ap lows correspond to the NH temperature minima at 1910 and 1975 respectively”
The Ap lows correspond immediately to low land temperatures, 1902 was the coldest European summer for 500yrs. http://booty.org.uk/booty.weather/climate/1900_1949.htm
You won’t see that at the global level though as the Ap low will bring on an El Nino and give a temporary peak in global temperatures.
lsvalgaard says:
“But the solar wind speed has little if any relevance to the climate of the Earth.”
The correlation to land temperature deviations from normals and ENSO is excellent.
Ulric Lyons says:
February 22, 2013 at 2:45 pm
The correlation to land temperature deviations from normals and ENSO is excellent.
So? what has that to do with solar wind speed? Nothing.
lsvalgaard says:
“So? what has that to do with solar wind speed? Nothing.”
Well it’s not our weather effecting the solar wind speed.
Thanks Dr. Page for commenting here.
lsvalgaard says:
February 22, 2013 at 2:15 pm
‘“Science is a way to call the bluff of those who only pretend to knowledge”’
And, I’m calling yours. It isn’t even possible to have a discussion, because you don’t even know what you don’t know.
Bart says:
February 22, 2013 at 5:48 pm
And, I’m calling yours. It isn’t even possible to have a discussion, because you don’t even know what you don’t know.
What you think you know it not the way nature works. My scientific papers have 2188 citations, how many do yours have? You hammer [no matter how well you know it] doesn’t always work, because not everything is nail. If you want discussion, comment on my reconstruction of Roger’s ‘correlation’ using the full dataset without the sleight of hand of omitting the beginning.
MiCro says:
February 22, 2013 at 4:07 pm
where Sn is the increase in Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) measured as the running percentage rise in the trend at every instance in time, t, for the previous n years.
It is not clear where he gets the values 134 and 46 for n from.As far as I can see it is just curve fitting with no physics. Perhaps our expert, ‘Bart’, in curve fitting without physics could comment on this.
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Dr. Page,
I too thank you for participating here to discuss your post.
These solar posts at WUWT are always enlightening for me.
John
Dr. Svalgaard,
Thanks as always for your energy to engage every single comment about our sun.
I hope your energy does not wane here at WUWT.
Personal Note – after addressing you here as Leif for years it is little strange to address you as Dr, Svalgaard. : )
John
John Whitman says:
February 23, 2013 at 6:52 am
Personal Note – after addressing you here as Leif for years it is little strange to address you as Dr, Svalgaard.
‘Leif’ is fine. I will be in good company with people referred to by their first names:
Napoleon, Rembrandt, Tycho, Galileo, Josquin, … 🙂
Leif “Yes, pretty much. ”
LOL. There is no correlation at all in the solar cycles that preceded 100 years ago and those that preceed today. Might I suggest that you spring for a new set of reading glasses, Leif. Or maybe it is only wishful viewing that is the problem. Tell you what, post the data for those plots somewhere where I can get it and let me run some poly curves through it. I think we can make the difference obvious to even you.
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Leif,
I had to look up Josquin.
John
Leif: “But your claim of absurdity applies equally well to all other claims of correlation. If the ‘baselevel’ of climate now is different from that a century ago, the question must be ‘why is that?’. What is your non-absurd answer to that question?”
Sorry, Leif, but I can’t give a non-absurd answer to an absurd question. The idea that the climate base level should be the same from one century to the next when it has never been the same from one century to the next in our climate records; and the idea that I should be able to explain why it is different today than in the last century, with your implication that it cannot be done without AGW, is absurd. I can’t explain why the base level changed from century to century a thousand years ago. Does that mean that it was AGW?
Tilo Reber says:
February 23, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Might I suggest that you spring for a new set of reading glasses
May I quote Yogi Berra: “if I hadn’t believed it, I wouldn’t have seen it.
let me run some poly curves through it.
nobody in his right mind would think that poly[nomial fits] have explanatory powers.
But you can play with our best guess [subject to further tests and research] of the Group Sunspot Number since 1749 using
http://www.leif.org/research/Best-Guess-GSN.xls
John Whitman says:
February 23, 2013 at 2:46 pm
I had to look up Josquin.
So you learned something. His real name was Joost van der Velde [George from the Field]. An endearing form of Joost in Flemish is Joske, so the French ‘translation’ becomes Josquin [Joske] Desprez [somewhat obscure what that means].
Tilo Reber says:
February 23, 2013 at 2:58 pm
with your implication that it cannot be done without AGW, is absurd.
It is that assumption that is absurd.
I can’t explain why the base level changed from century to century a thousand years ago.
Many people claim that they can: It’s the Sun, Stupid. Good that you are not on that bandwagon.
Bart says
Over and out. Leif is often wrong, but seldom in doubt. Arguing is pointless.if anyway.
Henry says
Well I am glad we all agreed here that more CO2 is better for life but perhaps not for Leif.
God bless Leif anyway.
.http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/02/22/klotzbach-et-al-revisited-a-reply-by-john-christy/#comment-1231086
Tilo says
If the ‘baselevel’ of climate now is different from that a century ago, the question must be ‘why is that?’.
Henry says
It probably is not….I would say from my research that we run on a 88 year wave, meaning that the weather is more or less the same as when it was back in 1925. In those days scientists were not even aware that thermometers need to be regularly calibrated after manufacture e.g. bring me a calibration certificate of a thermometer before 1925? So what baseline exist for data before 1925?Very little I am afraid.
look at the arctic ice back then?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/03/16/you-ask-i-provide-november-2nd-1922-arctic-ocean-getting-warm-seals-vanish-and-icebergs-melt/
Read the whole newspaper report. That ice melt due to warmer Gulf stream water iced up again from 1925-1945. The same thing will happen from 2015-2035. We are all in for some cooler weather. Better be prepared. That is why I am writing this today.
Leif: “nobody in his right mind would think that poly[nomial fits] have explanatory powers.”
Actually, nobody in their right mind would think that your eyeball assessment that the baseline period preceeding the climactic conditions 100 years ago was the same as it is today is correct.
I will agree that the poly fit has no predictive powers. But it is able to tell us about the cumlative strength of the solar cycles that preceeded 100 years ago and the ones that preceeded today. At least it can do this better than your eyes. In any case, here is a fourth order poly with your data. Double click for a full sized image.
http://reallyrealclimate.blogspot.com/
Since you have an excel version of the data, you can also produce second or third order polys for yourself in seconds. And again you will see that conditions were not the same.
Now it is very clear that the cumlative strength of the solar cycles in the hundred years preceeding 100 years ago were weaker than those preceeding today. And if you look around 1910, you can see that the two solar cycles that preceeded the active one then were much smaller than the two that preceed the current one. And you can see that there is solar strength variation, even on the century scale.
So, hopefully your time debating here will have been well spent and you will have learned something, Leif.
HenryP says:
February 22, 2013 at 6:29 am
I used this site for the sunspot number Henry:
http://sidc.oma.be/sunspot-data/dailyssn.php
Tilo Reber says:
February 24, 2013 at 10:08 am
I will agree that the poly fit has no predictive powers.
To wit, your graph.
But it is able to tell us about the cumulative strength of the solar cycles that preceeded 100 years ago and the ones that preceeded today.
The cumulative ‘strength’ is perhaps given by the integral of the sunspot number.
Here is what that looks like: http://www.leif.org/research/Roger-Integral-Comparison.png The values cumulated are the deviation from the overall mean. As you can see cumulated solar activity now [the think red curve] is close to where it was in the 1870s and in the 1810s. So the difference in climate is not due to the difference in cumulative solar activity. The small cycles around 1800, 1900, and 2010-30 [still to come], were all preceded by large cycles of similar heights, so solar activity has not [so far] behaved any different from in the past. That is what you can learn.
HenryP
The arctic got steadily warmer until around 1949, although there were a few severe winters during the war years. It did not immediately refreeze after the warming of 1922
Tonyb
Tilo says
Now it is very clear that the cumulative strength of the solar cycles in the hundred years preceding 100 years ago were weaker than those preceding today.
Henry@Tilo
As indicated, I doubt temp. measurements from before 1925. I doubt SSN measurements from before 1925 even more….What exactly, in those days, was defined a “spot”? Everybody had his own opinion about that, I am sure.
If you study my tables, here,
http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2013/02/21/henrys-pool-tables-on-global-warmingcooling/
you will probably be able to work out a best fit, yourself, like I did,
http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2012/10/02/best-sine-wave-fit-for-the-drop-in-global-maximum-temperatures
and, assuming this all being correct,
it follows that the weather we have now is probably very similar to what we had about 90 years ago.
There is no real proof that it was much cooler then
(unless you can bring the calibration certificates of a thermometer of those days)
ergo, there is no man made climate change
there never was.
Henry@Kelvin Potter
thx. I will try to verify that observation that you made.
My weather stations have records from 1973 or 1974. I figure by that time they had decided on a universal procedure to evaluate SSN. What program opens those files?
Henry@Tony
Again, do you honestly trust those no.s for the arctic from before 1930?
Show me the calibration certificates?
In the war and a few years beyond it was really very cold in Europe. In Holland we had an Elfstedentocht almost every year that time. According to my calculations that was towards the end of the last cooling period which ended around 1950- give or take a few years.
We will be there again around 2038.