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Finally … finally! … a person trained by Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project agreed to face off in a public debate on global warming. As WUWT readers may know, trying to get one of these folks to debate a skeptic has been an impossible task…until now. Full video follows, running about 59 minutes.
While I don’t know the details, I suspect the video quality has to do with an apparent long standing policy of Gore’s presenters refusing to allow their presentations to be video taped. My impression is that this appears to be a clandestine recording made by an audience member.
From an email I received:
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Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project squared off against The Heartland Institute in a global warming debate January 8 in Tallahassee, Florida. More than 260 people attended the hour-long debate, which resulted in standing room only at the Tallahassee Elks Club Lodge, which hosted the debate.
Ray Bellamy, a Florida State University faculty member who gives public presentations on behalf of Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project, argued humans are causing a global warming crisis. Taylor countered that global warming activists have proven none of four important factors they need to show in order to demonstrate a human-induced global warming crisis.
“I am very happy that this debate is now available on the Internet so people can see the for themselves, without having to wade through media filters, who possesses and presents the best evidence in a fair and balanced debate,” said Taylor.
“I encourage people to watch the debate and then share it with friends, family and acquaintances. So long as people have access to the truth, I believe the truth will always prevail,” said Taylor.
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Source: Alyssa Carducci
The YouTube page says:
Heartland Institute Senior Fellow James Taylor debates Ray Bellamy, M.D., a Tallahassee Orthopedic Surgeon at the Elks Club Lodge at 276 North Magnolia Drive in Tallahassee, Florida on Jan. 8, 2013.
Ed_B says:
January 12, 2013 at 11:09 am
“I am surprised that we have not had terrorist type events happening from some looney leftists. Perhaps the events of 911 made the anit-terror measures so effective that the weather underground types are no longer able to do their thing. (thankfully)”
Joe Stack flew a plane into an IRS building killing one. He left behind a leftist Unabomber-style Malthusian manifesto praised by Noam Chomsky. Like in 9/11 a plane was used. (One dead besides Stack). Like in 9/11 it wasn’t prevented. The plane was smaller.
Sounds like a normal “polite” economically authoritarian audience. The alarmists convict themselves of lunacy, closed-mindedness, and crowd consensus. Sad.
What is the alias for this blog site? Bubba Sr and Bubba Jr. angry old southern white man and his son. Tea Party gerry mandering losers blog blah blah blah…..
Must be hard to let go of all that alpha male aggression and control on the rest of us.. All new intelligent information is scoffed at first, and usually in a bullying type fashion. which is what is happening in this blog. All one has to do
is casually observe what is happening in nature. Really, you all sound like a bunch of scared little boys hiding behind junk science you get from right wing web sites, AM talk radio, or Fox News… Taylor sounded almost psychotic, “There is no evidence of drought, there is no evidence of deserts increasing, there is no evidence of increasing tornadoes or super storms. Taylor, a lawyer, is the Sr. Fellow at the Heartland Insitute, which
is funded by the 2 richest men in the world, the infamous Koch brothers, two psychopaths who fund ALEC, which tried to keep
the voters of Fl from the polls. The Kochs made their money in fossil fuels. Think their whipping boy- Taylor is unbiased? Where is the common sense button located in this crowd? on your investment portfolio?
We are wasting precious time attempting to deny reality. Soon when a large storm comes barreling through Tallahasse, and you are picking through the pieces, remember what you wrote in this blog site.
I will.
Bellamy went from being a clueless buffoon to a despicable liar with his ad homs and lies in closing remarks.
FAIL.
pokerguy says:
January 12, 2013 at 6:18 am
Just to add, once again that risible 97 percent canard is used to good effect…… I simply can’t see how that’s not something worth trying. Anthony? I’d be glad to dg deeply into my own pockets to help fund such an endeavor. Multiply me by thousands and you can see that we could easily afford it. Why don’t we do it?
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It WAS done 31,487 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,029 with PhDs There is more information HERE about how the petition was circulated, and this is the accompanying letter from Letter from Frederick Seitz Past President, National Academy of Sciences, U.S.A., President Emeritus, Rockefeller University that went with the petition.
And finally THE RESPONSE Which is the first site that came up on google BTW
Climate Denial Crock of the Week: Astounding Interview with “Oregon Petition” Nutjob – Art Robinson
So ‘They’ have a study consisting of an intentionally brief two-minute, two question online survey sent to 10,257 earth scientists in 2009 who wereAmerican Geophysical Union (AGU) members. 3146 responded. The “98% all scientists” referred to a laughably puny number of 75 of those 77 who answered “yes”… only a small subset, just 77 who had been successful in getting more than half of their papers recently accepted by peer-reviewed climate science journals, were considered in their survey statistic the paper with the data: http://tigger.uic.edu/~pdoran/012009_Doran_final.pdf
What else did the ’97% of scientists’ say? is even funnier “..I’m not sure what you are trying to prove, but you will undoubtably be able to prove your pre-existing opinion with this survey! I’m sorry I even started it!..” is my favorite. (Doran/Zimmerman feedback)
However it does not matter if they have 75 scientists who comprise their “consensus” and we have 31,487 American scientists, including 9,029 with PhDs, all that matters is the
propaganda machineMass media keeps repeating the CAGW consensus and ignores the Oregon Petition.Art redid the petition after the first one on-line petition was savaged by the CAGW crowd but as you can see they resorted to ad hominems.
Now they are even bolder and resorting to false surveys showing skeptics are not right in the head according to the Looney Lew paper and his paper is getting traction LIVE SCIENCE: Link Between Climate Denial and Conspiracy Beliefs Sparks Conspiracy Theories:
Sorry pokerguy but a simple survey will not do a thing about entrenched corruption and that is what we are looking at. All we can hope for is that the Money Men decide not to kill the golden goose, although given how money is flowing out of the West and into the East (China, India and also Brazil) I would not bet on it especially when the Director General of the World Trade Organization is talking up Global Governance and is bashing national sovereignty (second sovereignty link)
Global Warming and the Financial Crisis (all carefully orchestrated) are as Lamy states, needed “..to provide legitimacy, which is essential to ensure ownership over decisions which lead to change — ownership to prevent the built-in bias towards resistance to modifying the status quo …” The status quo being Freedom, Liberty and a say in government, the modification being a lower standard of living and micro-management by an unelected bureaucracy.
If you start with the goal of a global totalitarian state run by the WTO/UN and modeled after the EU, all of a sudden the whole mess of the last couple of decades become very very clear.
Do a bit of research on the “Harmonization of laws” and you will see what I mean. Important Banking Laws explains the financial crisis if you are willing to connect dots.
FWIW Art Robinson Reponds to Petition Slander
Anna says:
“All one has to do
is casually observe what is happening in nature.”
What is happening is completely normal. Educate yourself on the Null Hypothesis: everything currently being observed has happened repeatedly in the past, and to a much greater degree. Nothing unprecedented is occurring.
None of your complaints are worth answering. They are the typical sniveling of the anarcho-leftist eco-wacko crowd. Just read the nonsense you wrote, and ask yourself: “Do I sound credible?”
You are not credible. You are driven 100% by emotion, 0% by rational science. This is the internet’s “Best Science” site. Run along now, back to the DailyKos where you belong.
Anna,
You are long on rhetoric but short on facts. Pick a point and make a fact based argument. You may want to re-research your facts on the funding of Heartland by the Koch brothers. Once you have done that and posted that you were mistaken we can go on to discuss the facts about extreme weather. I say this in the most friendly non-bullying manner…
Anna says:
January 12, 2013 at 1:39 pm
Anna, did you actually listen to the video? Taylor answered every one of your “points” and more with peer-reviewed science. All you can do is bellyache in the same manner as your bosses Al Gore and Bill McKibben do. The bellyaching is sounding more and more shrill as the years go by.
Earlier Alex Epstein got McKibben to debate him, for money:
“Last Monday, Bill McKibben and I finally squared off to debate whether fossil fuels make our planet a better place to live. I know many of you watched it live (thank you) and many of you had difficulty watching it live (I apologize, our server crashed from the traffic) but now everyone can watch the whole thing–or watch some 2-3-minute highlight clips. Thanks to Amy Chou for putting these together.
Epstein to McKibben: “You’re not a Scientist” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a01TA4fofs&feature=plcp
What does Bill McKibben really advocate? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mppr8a1KrQ&feature=plcp
Fossil Fuels are “the Food of Food” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY4ol5DUfNY&feature=plcp
Are affordable fossil fuels a “market failure”? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dbqL-xckWg&feature=plcp
Alex Epstein on pollution http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsLt_F7azM8&feature=plcp
*sigh* Hi Anna. Glad to have you here. Did you have anything constructive to offer? All you’ve done so far is to leave a screed of hate, non sequiter, ad hominem, and innuendo. Come back when you’re ready to talk with grownups, hmm-kay?
D Böehm Stealey says:Anna says: “All one has to do is casually observe what is happening in nature.”
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Yeah, aint that great? Casual observation is the very ESSENCE of science!
Anna says:
January 12, 2013 at 1:39 pm
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Wow!
Let me guess. You’re in your teens? Early 20’s?
Was all that you said what you think Bellamy meant to say or should have said?
You’re rational presentation of the facts and data have convinced me that NASA will not need to waste money that could be better used to save a tree or a polar bear or an orca to send a probe to Venus. We just need to wait a few more years (according to Hansen) to find out what Venus is like.
PS Feel free to press your own “common sense button” at any time. It’d be good for you.
PPS Nobody funds me to say what I just said. (But you’re more than welcome to send me a check that won’t bounce.)
That was one of the most one-sided debates I have ever seen. Bellamy presented very few data, was inarticulate, scientifically inaccurate (note d13C definition was wrong: reference to 14C), made his arguments via platitudes and the end resorted to ad hominem. Taylor on the otherhand backed up each point with fully referenced data, articulate response and rational arguments.
Thoroughly disappointing. Call that a debate? Ray Bellamy did not do the ‘warming’ side a favour.
Anna says;
We are wasting precious time attempting to deny reality.
Yes, you and your Alarmist friends most certainly are, and thank you for your candor. Here you will find the actual reality about climate, instead of the nonsense you’ve been fed via the MainScreamMedia, and any astroturf pseudoscientific Alarmist sites you attend. But, I doubt you are really interested in the truth about climate.
Time for some light relief (a light is a clue in cryptic crosswords).
In today’s Times Jumbo crossword
42 across: Foolishly invest, without strength of mind, being green.
Answer: Environmentalist
Made my day.
Anna says:
January 12, 2013 at 1:39 pm
Lots
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Hi Anna,
Unfortunately, to an extent you’re probably right. A lot of the regular posters here probably do have large home armouries (excuse the UK spelling btw), even survival shelters, and many will have portfolios.
But that’s not what the site is about, and that’s by no means the whole readership.
Personally, I’m almost as far left as Marx (Carl, not Groucho) even to the point of believing that Communism is (in principle) a great idea. It’s only let down in practice by human nature, particularly the human nature of people who, under other systems, would be firmly on the right of the political spectrum. That’s why they manipulate communism to give themselves power and everything, while the rest gain little to nothing. In other countries they’d be called Bankers. From that personal perspective I hate it when political (including economic) posts appear here because I know I’m not going to agree with the ethos of the poster.
But I still come here and I still read because, regardless of what I may think of the personal values of others here, I’ve seen enough to believe that they’ve actually got the science more “right” than the other side. The fact that something true is being said by someone you may not like doesn’t alter the truth of what they’re saying. An intelligent person will still listen to what they say, look at the evidence they offer for themselves – not just accept the “debunking” by people who they relate to – and possibly find that they’re saying something true.
That’s what I did, and that’s why I still come here – even though I doubt I’d want to go for a pint with anyone here. Unless they were buying, of course 😉
Bruce Cobb says:
January 12, 2013 at 8:12 am
….You Warmists just don’t get ethics, do you?
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No they do not. At least they do not have our understanding of ethics.
In other words we as scientists believe in “Objective phenomena and events” they believe in a changeable ideas and a changeable reality. I had one of these ‘Philosophers’ show up at a business management short course where he was trying to tell a bunch of manufacturing foremen that reality does not really exist and all the rest of it. I got sick of it after about 15 minutes and told him if he didn’t think reality existed then he could go lay on the R/R track outside the class room but to give me his keys and sign over his car first. He got laughed out of class at that point. Too bad we can not do the same to these people.
I agree. I’ve been using the term Climate Realist (as opposed to Alarmist) since I first discovered WUWT. Click on my handle above and you’ll see a Zazzle site with ‘Climate Realist’ bumper stickers, sweatshirts, etc. (That’s not my site, but I know the creators.)
We should use the term more, to make sure the Alarmists don’t appropriate it, as they have shown signs of doing.
/Mr Lynn
Joe you’re a communist – surely the state should be doing the buying!
Did anyone notice the woman’s voice whispering “he is so full of $h!t” at 56:51?
Anna says:
January 12, 2013 at 1:39 pm
What is the alias for this blog site? Bubba Sr and Bubba Jr. angry old southern white man and his son. Tea Party gerry mandering losers blog blah blah blah…..
Must be hard to let go of all that alpha male aggression and control on the rest of us.. All new intelligent information is scoffed at first, and usually in a bullying type fashion. which is what is happening in this blog….
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Thank you Anna for proving once again that all the CAGWarmists have on their side is ad Homs and scary scenarios.
You want REAL SCARY Anna? How about this graph and explanation.
Anna – what colour is the sky in your world?
It was kind of sad watching Gore’s guy read slides–and little more. Perhaps a little training outside the slides?
It will be much harder to accuse skeptics of being in the pocket of Big Oil now that Gore has drank the crude. Sure, they’ll try to wiggle out of the Gore thing, but just keep repeating “$100 million from Big Oil, $100 million from Big Oil” and they’ll go away. 🙂
Jeremy says:
January 12, 2013 at 8:18 am
Well done James. Keep up the good work. Keep spreading realism. We have to stop
“Those who know what’s best for us must rise and save us from ourselves.”
That song is appropriate at so many levels:
“Quick to judge, Quick to anger, Slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice, and fear walk hand in hand”
And a great song to listen to with the volume at max.