
By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley
In the closing minutes of the final plenary of the U.N.’s Doha climate summit, when no one else had anything further to add, I spent a few seconds telling the delegates something that the bad scientists and the malicious media have done their level best to conceal. There has been no global warming for 16 years.
In the real world, this surely welcome news would have been greeted with cheers of relief and delight. Since the beginning of 1997, despite the wailing and gnashing of dentures among the classe politique, despite the regulations, the taxations, the carbon trades, the windmills, the interminable, earnestly flatulent U.N. conferences, the CO2 concentration that they had declared to be Public Enemy No. 1 has not stabilized. It has grown by one-twelfth.
Yet this startling growth has not produced so much as a twentieth of a Celsius degree of global warming. Any warming below the measurement uncertainty of 0.05 Cº in the global-temperature datasets is statistically indistinguishable from zero.
The much-vaunted “consensus” of the much-touted “ensembles” of the much-heralded “models” has been proven wrong. The much-feted “modelers” had written in 2008 that their much-cited “simulations” ruled out, to 95% confidence, intervals of 15 years or more without global warming. To them, 16 years without warming were as near impossible as makes no difference.
Yet those impossible years happened. However, you would never have known that surely not uninteresting piece of good news from reading the newspapers or watching ABC, BBC, CBC, NBC, et hoc genus omne. The media are not in the business of giving the facts or telling the truth any more.
Precisely because journalists no longer bother to provide the inconvenient truth to their audiences, and because they are no longer willing even to provide the people with the straightforward facts without which democracy itself cannot function, the depressingly ill-informed and scientifically-illiterate delegates in Doha can be forgiven for not having known that global warming stopped a long while back.
That is why they should have been excited and delighted when they heard the news – nearly all of them for the very first time.
But this was the alternative reality that is the corrupt, self-serving U.N. Howls, hoots and hollers of dismay and fury greeted my short, polite announcement. This absurdly inappropriate reaction raises a fascinating question.
How are we to dig a rat-hole wide enough to allow the useful idiots and true-believers to escape as each passing year makes it more and more obvious that their fatuous credo has all the plausibility of the now somewhat discredited notion that the world was to be snuffed out at this year’s winter solstice?
Every student of the arts of diplomacy in the civil-service and staff colleges of the U.K. hears much about the rat-hole problem. How does one let the other side off some hook on which they have imprudently impaled themselves, while minimizing their loss of face?
A cornered rat will fight savagely, even against overwhelming odds, because it has no alternative. Give the rat a way out and it will instinctively take it.
The first step in digging a diplomatic rat-hole is to show that one understands how one’s opponents came to make their mistake. One might make a point of agreeing with their premise – in the present instance, the long-proven fact that adding a greenhouse gas to an atmosphere such as ours can be expected, ceteris paribus, to cause some warming.
Then one tries to find justifications for their standpoint. There are five good reasons why the global warming that they – and we – might have expected has not occurred for 16 years: natural variability in general; the appreciable decline in solar activity since the Grand Maximum that peaked in 1960; the current 30-year cooling phase of the ocean oscillations, which began late in 2001 with the transition from the warming phase that had begun in 1976; the recent double-dip la Niña; and the frequency with which supra-decadal periods without warming have occurred in the instrumental record since 1850.
The next trick is to help them, sympathetically, to focus the blame for their error on as few of their number as possible. Here, the target is obvious. The models are to blame for the mess the true-believers are in.
We must help them to understand why the models got it so very wrong. This will not be easy, because nearly all of our opponents have no science or math at all.
We can start our deconstruction of the models by pointing out that – given the five good reasons why global warming might not occur for 15 years or more at a time – the modelers’ ruling out periods of 15 years or more without warming shows they have given insufficient weight to the influence of natural variability. We can poke gentle fun at their description of CO2 as “ the tuning-knob of the climate”, and help them to put things into perspective by reminding them that Man has so far altered only 1/10,000 of the atmosphere, and may alter 1/3000 of it by 2100.
We cannot altogether avoid the math. But we can put it all in plain English, and we can use logic, which is more accessible to the layman than climatological physics. Here goes.
The fundamental equation of climate sensitivity says temperature change is the product of a forcing and a climate-sensitivity parameter.
The modellers’ definition of forcing is illogical; their assumptions about the value of the climate-sensitivity parameter are not Popper-falsifiable; and their claims of reliability for their long-term predictions are empirically disproven and theoretically insupportable. Let us explain.
The IPCC defines a forcing as the net down-minus-up flux of radiation at the tropopause, holding surface temperature fixed. Yet forcings change that temperature. A proposition and its converse cannot simultaneously be true. That is the fundamental postulate of logic, and the models’ definition of forcing manifestly offends against it.
No surprise, then, that since 1995 the IPCC has had to cut its estimate of the CO2 forcing by 15%. The “consensus” disagrees with itself. Note in passing that the CO2 forcing function is logarithmic: each further molecule causes less warming than those before it. Diminishing returns apply.
We can remind our opponents that direct warming is little more than 1 Cº per doubling of CO2 concentration, well within natural variability. It is not a crisis. We can explain that the modelers have imaginatively introduced amplifying or “positive” temperature feedbacks, which, they hope, will triple the direct warming from CO2.
Yet this dubious hypothesis, not being Popper-falsifiable, is not logic and, therefore, not science. If a hypothesis cannot be checked by any empirical or theoretical method, it is not – stricto sensu – a hypothesis at all. It is of no interest to science.
Not one of the imagined feedbacks is empirically measurable or theoretically determinable to a sufficient precision by any method. As an expert reviewer for the IPCC’s Fifth Assessment Report, I have described its strongly net-positive feedback interval as guesswork – and that, in logic and therefore in science, is exactly what it is.
There is a powerful theoretical reason for suspecting that the modellers’ guess that feedbacks triple direct warming is erroneous. The climatic closed-loop feedback gain implicit in the IPCC’s climate-sensitivity estimate of 3.3[2.0, 4.5] Cº per CO2 doubling falls on the interval 0.62[0.42, 0.74], though you will find no mention of the crucial concept of loop gain either in the IPCC’s documents or – as far as I can discover – in any of the few papers that discuss the mathematics of temperature feedbacks in the climate object.
Process engineers building electronic circuits, who invented feedback mathematics, tell us any loop gain much above zero is too near the singularity – at a loop gain of 1 – in the feedback-amplification equation. At a gain as high as is implicit in the models’ climate-sensitivity estimates, the geological record would show violent oscillations between extremes of warming and cooling.
Yet for 64 million years the Earth’s surface temperature has fluctuated by only 3%, or 8 Cº, either side of the long-run mean. These fluctuations can give us an ice-planet at one moment and a hothouse Earth the next, but they are altogether too small to be consistent with a feedback loop gain anywhere near as close to the singularity as official estimates imply, for homeostatic conditions prevail.
The atmosphere’s lower bound, the ocean, is a vast heat-sink 1100 times denser than the air. Since 3000 bathythermographs were deployed in 2006 no significant ocean warming has been found.
The upper bound of the atmosphere is outer space, to which any excess heat radiates harmlessly away.
Homeostasis, then, is what we should expect, and it is what we get. Accordingly, the climatic loop gain – far from being as impossibly high as the IPCC’s central estimate of 0.62 – cannot much exceed zero, so the warming at CO2 doubling will scarcely exceed 1 Cº.
It is also worth explaining to our opponents the fundamental reason why models cannot do what the modelers claim for them. The overriding difficulty in attempting to model the climate is that it behaves as a chaotic object. We can never know the values of its millions of defining parameters at any chosen moment to a sufficient precision to permit reliable projection of the bifurcations, or Sandy-like departures from an apparently steady state, that are inherent in all objects that behave chaotically. Therefore, reliable, very-long-term prediction of future climate states is known a priori to be unavailable by any method.
The modelers have tried to overcome this constraint by saying that the models are all we have, so we must make the best of them. But it is self-evidently illogical to use models when reliable, very-long-term weather forecasting is not available by any method.
This fundamental limitation on the reliability of long-term predictions by the models – known as the Lorenz constraint, after the father of computerized or “numerical” weather forecasting, whose 1963 paper Deterministic Non-Periodic Flow founded chaos theory by examining the behavior of a five-variable mini-model of the climate constructed as a heuristic – tells us something more, and very important, about the climate.
Bifurcations (or, in our opponents’ intellectual baby-talk, “tipping-points”) in the evolution of the climate object over time are not a whit more likely to occur in a rapidly-warming climate than in a climate which – like our own – is not warming at all.
Sandy and Bopha, and the hot summer in the U.S., could not have been caused by global warming, for the blindingly obvious reason that for 16 years there has not been any.
However, there are many variables in the climate object other than CO2 concentration and surface temperature. Even the tiniest perturbation in any one of these millions of parameters is enough, in an object that behaves chaotically, to induce a bifurcation.
Nothing in the mathematics of chaos leads one to conclude that “tipping-points” are any more likely to occur in response to a large change in the value of one of the parameters (such as surface temperature) that describe an object than in response to an infinitesimal change.
The clincher, in most diplomatic discussions, is money. Once we have led our opponents to understand that there is simply no reason to place any credence whatsoever in the exaggerations that are now painfully self-evident in the models, we can turn their attention to climate economics.
Pretend, ad argumentum, that the IPCC’s central estimate of 2.8 Cº warming by 2100 is true, and that Stern was right to say that the GDP cost of failing to prevent 3 Cº warming this century will be around 1.5% of GDP. Then, at the minimum 5% market inter-temporal discount rate, the cost of trying to abate this decade’s predicted warming of 0.15 Cº by topical, typical CO2-mitigation measures as cost-ineffective as, say, Australia’s carbon tax would be 48 times greater than the cost of later adaptation. At a zero discount rate, the cost of action will exceed the cost arising from inaction 36 times over.
How so? Australia emits just 1.2% of Man’s CO2, of which Ms. Gillard aims to cut 5% this decade. So Australia’s scheme, even if it worked, would cutting just 0.06% of global emissions by 2020. In turn, that would cut CO2 concentration from a predicted 410 μatm to 409.988 μatm. It is this infinitesimal change in CO2 concentration, characteristic of all measures intended – however piously – to mitigate future warming that is the chief reason why there is no economic case for spending any money at all on mitigation today.
The tiny drop in CO2 concentration would cut predicted temperature by 0.00006 Cº. This pathetic result would be achieved at a cost of $130 billion, which works out at $2 quadrillion/Cº. Abating the 0.15 Cº warming predicted for this decade would thus cost $317 trillion, or $45,000/head worldwide, or 59% of global GDP.
Mitigation measures inexpensive enough to be affordable will be ineffective: measures expensive enough to be effective will be unaffordable. Since the premium exceeds the cost of the risk, don’t insure. That is a precautionary principle worthy of the name.
When the child born in Bethlehem ~2012 years ago grew up, He told His audience the parable of the prodigal son, who had squandered his inheritance but was nevertheless welcomed by his father with a fatted calf when he returned and said he was sorry.
However vicious and cruel the true-believers in the global-warming fantasy have been to those few of us who have dared publicly to question their credo that has now been so thoroughly discredited by events, we should make sure that the rat-hole we dig for their escape from their lavish folly is as commodious as possible.
If all else fails, we can pray for them as He prayed looking down from the Cross on the world He had created.
Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.
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‘Icarus Icarus ubi es’ Icarus Icarus where are you?
When the theory does not fit the observations then the theory has to be changed, not the observations.
To give an analogy Icarus flew too close to the sun and his waxen wings melted and he fell to the earth and was lost. A Greek myth maybe but sobering example of a theory of flight that subsequent observation proved invalid.
Common ground is what needs to be found. There may never be full consensus on what drives climate, although an emergent paradigm manifestly more successful than the current one might well drive the current model to effective extinction. However total polarisation in the climate scientific community is unhealthy for the long term.
Politically, skeptics need to step back from a position that appears to say that nothing humans do can harm the earth’s ecosystem or climate. We can harm it. This apparent complacency is what enrages activists on the other side. CO2 does not warm the planet – or if it does, only negligibly. However plant cover does cool the planet and excessive loss of vegetative cover could possible cause either local (UHI) or global warming, and other adverse effects such as aridity. Damage to ecosystems in other ways such as chemical pollution is also a reality.
As Monkton himself has pointed out, the Versailles treaty at the end of WW1 which humiliated Germany stored up trouble for the future and was a mistake. This should not be repeated.
Of those last 16 years, how many have been in the top 10 hottest since global record keeping began? 9. The last decade was of course the hottest decade since record keeping began and in fact there has been warming over the last 16 years. The trend in the HadCRUT4 global surface temperature dataset since 1997 is 0.084 ± 0.152°C per decade (GISS and NCDC datasts show a similar warming trend since the cherry picked starting point of 1997). While the trend is not statistically significant (to 95% level) the value is positive, meaning the average surface temperature has warmed over this period. The “no warming over the last 16 years” was of course just another factually challenged Daily Mail article by David Rose (challenged by the Met Office- his alleged source of a non existent report).
The problem is there is no accountability in public office and there is no prospect that the ruling [class] will pass a law making them personally accountable for their misdeeds. Democracy is but an illusion, and hence we are left with a situation whereby the ruling class can commit gross negligence with impunity. This means that they can promote there preferred cause de jour without consideration of the consequences for those adversely affected by it.
Until there is real accountability in public office nothing will change.
As regards CAGW, this will come to a natural end relatively quickly because of the conjunction of the the fact that the west has run out of money with western economies being in stagnation for at least a decade to come, and natural variation making it clear that the climate system is far more complex than CO2 alone controlling the temperature knob. It is the combination of these two facts which will bring this unsavoury edifice crashing down. During the next 5 years or so there will be an ever increasing number of ‘scientist’ and politicians jumping ship and it is [likely] that things will turn nasty as the blame game begins (as it inevitably will).
The pseudonymous “Ratduke” gets picky about the date of birth of the Lord of Life, but – as I had already pointed out – I am no expert on that. He worries that the Gospels are “not reliable witnesses”: yet the considerable quantity of independent, verifying documentation from other sources gives us an excellent idea of the stunning power of what Anglican theologians splendidly call the “Christ-Event”. Ratduke may like to read “Jesus, an Experiment in Christology” by Father Schillebeeckx for further details of what can be discerned of His life, death, resurrection and electrifying effect on the known world without relying upon any religious texts at all.
Ratduke, who seems anti-Christian, criticizes me for touching briefly upon my own religion in the head posting while challenging climate-extremists who parade quasi-religious views. The distinction is that I admit that my religion is incapable of scientific demonstration and that I believe it nonetheless, while the adherents of the New Religion of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alarm (CACA) pretend that the daft notions in the Holy Books of IPeCaC are science when they are in truth not science but logically-insupportable quasi-religious beliefs masquerading as science.
Ratduke also considerably over-stretches the bounds of Bayesian probability, which is of no help whatsoever in determining the probability that an uneducated guess may prove to be true. Nor do I recall, anywhere in the Four “Gospels” of IPeCaC, any attempt to assign Bayesian probabilities to anything, and particularly not to the value of the strongly net-positive overall feedback gain multiplier, central to the CACAistes’ case for panic, without which there would be no global warming problem.
That value is a guess. It is not verifiable by any method except waiting up to 3000 years and, in the meantime, taking measurements more detailed and precise than anything we are yet capable of. Because it is a guess, it does not merit the assignment to it of any form of probability, whether frequentist or Bayesian – or, for that matter, of any probability distribution or probability-density function. A guess is a guess is a guess. It is not science, not science, not science.
Because it is a guess, it is not Popper-falsifiable. Perhaps Ratduke would like to explain to me the role of random guesses in science. If they have a role, no doubt he can make a fortune in the casino at Monte Carlo.
It is always possible that I am missing something. But I was brought up in the Classical tradition of observation, measurement, meditation, deduction, hypothesis, and experiment. I was taught that “I guess” and “I believe” had no place in science, and that “Wow!”, “I wonder why that happened”, and “I’d better check” were the way forward.
Ratduke is entitled to alter his “degree of belief” in CACA if he wants, and, indeed, to the extent that CACA is quasi-religious, “degrees of belief” in it are perhaps not inappropriate. But – call me old-fashioned – science to me is not a matter of belief, but of seeking the truth by objective methods, not subjective beliefs. Al-Haytham called the scientist “the seeker after truth”, not “the believer”. Huxley called blind faith “the one unpardonable sin”.
Unless Ratduke can assure me that IPeCaC’s current central estimate of ~3 for the overall feedback gain factor by which it wishes us to multiply the tiny instantaneous warming caused by additional CO2 concentration so as to create a climate “crisis” is based on anything better than unverifiable guesswork, I decline to regard that estimate as science. It is religion. Ratduke is entitled to his religion, but he is no more entitled than the CACAistes to maintain that his religion has anything to do with science.
Even if climate alarm were appropriate, economically speaking it would still be one or even two orders of magnitude more cost-effective to meet the invoice for adaptation to warming’s adverse consequences the day after tomorrow than to spend trillions futilely trying to prevent it today.
Finally, since Ratduke seems to think today is Newton’s birthday, I shall be as picky with him as he has been with me on the matter of birthdays. As a result of the adjustment to the calendar in the 17th century, Newton turns out to have been born on January 4, 1643, not December 25, 1642. The deletion of 11 days from the calendar was not received kindly in all quarters: in Russia, peasants demonstrated under the slogan “Give us back our 11 days!” One imagines their descendants now write IPeCaC’s reports.
Darn I did not realize that humans only learned to write, and measure temperature just 16 years ago.
😉
Larry
Clay Marley says:—-This Christmas I am spending time with relatives who I consider moderate politically. They believe AGW is a serious problem, that the Polar Bears are in trouble, that CO2 is a dangerous pollutant, that the earth is warming, and that Greenland has largely melted (!).
JK—–Try this on them:
1. What actual evidence have you seen that man’s CO2 is causing dangerous warming? (We all know that unusual weather is not proof that man is the cause; nature puts out 96% of the CO2 compared to man’s 4%; that Al Gore’s ice cores show CO2 increases FOLLOW temperature by about 800 years; that Al Gore’s temperature chart showing a sudden recent rise is a fraud and that the climate was warmer in the Medieval, Roman, Egyptian and Minoan times without man’s CO2, previous warmings have been at the same rate as the current one, and that no one has explained what caused those earlier warm periods AND why that cause is not the cause of the current warming.)
Note that each of the statements are easily verifiable.
2. Separating out the last of the above:
We know that many (or all) of Medieval, Roman, Egyptian and Minoan times were warmer than the current warm period. Explain what caused those warm periods and why that cause is NOT the cause of the current warm period.
Thanks
JK
@policycritic:
Please follow the conversation.
My reply was to Boehm’s question about icarus62’s previous post.
Also read my post at 1:06 pm.
[snip. Too much snark, as usual, from Mr Seitz. Please stop being a Grinch. — mod.]
I was searching for some famous quotations about rats, but only found one, which coincidentally was about rats finding a way out:
When the water reaches the upper level, follow the rats.
– Claude Swanson (1862 – 1939)
I found many more about aristocrats, bureaucrats and democrats. Oh well, close enough:
I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends… that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them.
– Adlai E. Stevenson Jr. (1900 – 1965), Speech during 1952 Presidential Campaign
You get fifteen democrats in a room, and you get twenty opinions.
– Senator Patrick Leahy (1940 – ), May 1990
Bureaucrats write memoranda both because they appear to be busy when they are writing and because the memos, once written, immediately become proof that they were busy.
– Charles Peters
The only difference between the Democrats and the Republicans is that the Democrats allow the poor to be corrupt, too.
– Oscar Levant (1906 – 1972)
Art forms of the past were really considered elitist. Bach did not compose for the masses, neither did Beethoven. It was always for patrons, aristocrats, and royalty. Now we have a sort of democratic version of that, which is to say that the audience is so splintered in its interests.
– David Cronenberg, Rocketboom, 07-19-06
I am from a state that raises corn and cotton and cockleburs and Democrats, and frothy eloquence neither convinces nor satisfies me. I am from Missouri. You have got to show me.
– William Duncan Vandiver, US Congressman, speech at 1899 naval banquet
The legacy of Democrats and Republicans approaches: Libertarianism by bankruptcy.
– Nick Nuessle, 1992
Most managers were trained to be the thing they most despise — bureaucrats.
– Alvin Toffler
Not to downplay the importance of unemotional examination of scientific rhetoric, touching briefly on beliefs, in this case religious ones, is no more offensive in scientific discussions than mentioning that I am Irish, or short, or a flaming redhead, or female, or talkative, or a newly confirmed independent. Sometimes it just makes sense to include these dressings. No big deal and tends to bring color and context to discussions.
Lord Monckton accepts (at any rate for the purpose of argument) the general premis behind GW because to challenge that premise is considered to be a step too far. However, should CO2 emissions continue unabated and should temperatures not correspondingly rise, then there will come a time when one will inevitably have to consider whether the reason for the lack of temperature rise is because the so called basic physics has been misunderstood, or misapplied.
One facet of the theory is that whenever there is a rise in CO2 concentrations temperatures must rise; they cannot stand steady, they canot fall. That means that in any year where there is a rise in CO2 concentraions but no rise in temperature an explanation is required as to why the temperature has not risen. Natural variation, is a convenient explanation, namely we cannot identify why there has not been a rise in temperature but it must because there is some natural unknown and unexplainedd process at work which has cancelled out the rise that would otherwise occur.
Of course, with better understanding of the cliamte system, we should be able to identify the natural process involved that cancelled out the temperature rise. But there may well come a time when we shall have to put our arms up and accept that the radiative model is wrong (at least in part).
If temperatures do not rise in the next decade, it will be interesting to see to what extent the radiative model survives in its present form.
I understand why Lord Monckton does not wish to question this and prefers to emphasise other issues. But I envisage that there may well come a time when it is openly questioned in scientific circles since I consider that the two most likely candidates for explaining why there is no warming is (1) that feedbacks are negative, and/or (2) that the radiataive model is simply wrong..
I am grateful to Werner Brozek for pointing out that according to HadCRUt, which is IPeCaC’s favored dataset, there has been no statistically-significant global warming for 18 years (v. 4) or 19 years (v. 3). I have indeed been too kind to the true-believers.
Jo Brighton, however, seems to think that a positive trend that is not statistically significant “means the average surface temperature has warmed”. Not so. Any trend that falls within the measurement uncertainties in the dataset, whether that trend be up, down, or flat, is not statistically distinguishable from zero. Zero means zero.
Jo Brighton goes on to attack David Rose of the Daily Mail (actually, it was the Mail on Sunday) for having pointed out, based on data in a report that she says the Met Office had not issued (actually, it had), that there had not been any global warming for 16 years (actually, there hadn’t been any).
The Met Office has been reported to the prosecuting authorities for fraud in having attempted to keep its climate-change-related grants well-padded by falsely maintaining that Mr. Rose had been wrong to say there had been no global warming for 16 years. He was and is correct. The Met Office is now a standing joke in the UK. Its obsession with global warming has caused it to get its seasonal forecasts hopelessly wrong time and time again.
Piers Corbyn, a solar physicist, produces more accurate 45-day forecasts than the Met Office’s 5-day forecasts. Now that there are so many private-enterprise weather forecasters capable of doing a far more reliable, more honest and less prejudiced job than the Met Office, I am not the only politician wondering whether it should be shut down.
Jo Brighton also uses the bogus statistical device of attempting to nullify the embarrassing recent absence of global warming by saying, “Of the last 16 years, how many have been in the top 10 hottest since global record-keeping began? Nine.” So what? After 300 years during which global temperatures have recovered following the Maunder Minimum, where would one expect the warmest years to be? At the beginning of the period, in the middle, or at the end?
An earlier posting by me explained how to determine the least-squares linear-regression trend on a dataset. Perhaps Mr. Brozek and I should get together to produce monthly updates to show just how long a period without warming there has now been.
There has been no global warming for getting on for two decades. Get over it. Serially-inaccurate attempts at statistical nit-picking merely serve to emphasize how very little warming there has been in recent decades. The models were wrong. The scare is over.
I’ve tried Christopher, I really have offered up the Chamberlain side of me. I know it’s Christmas and turn the other cheek and all that but the Climate Cleansing brigade just stir the Churchillian Bulldog in me and now I can’t rest til these Holocaust people are brought to their knees begging for mercy with perhaps a Marshall Plan for them all. It’s in the genetic makup my good man-
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/musicologist_of_death/
Dear Dr. Brown.
I almost always read any post you make and generally learn something of value from them.
I wonder if you will remark on tactic of mocking your name or comment on the individual’s ratiocinations which are based on his faith while acknowledging faith as non-science.
I hope you may skillfully evade his trollish distractions and engage him on a valid issue in spite of the terrible temptation to pwn his butt over his demonstration of kinship with his favored species?
The concept of rights is the razor occam would use. I wonder if you might apply and develop that long-lost concept to this. It was never about faith or science, to be sure.
The ONLY valid ethical considerations are RIGHTS and DAMAGE, after all.
JoBrighton says: December 25, 2012 at 3:02 pm
“While the trend is not statistically significant (to 95% level) the value is positive, meaning the average surface temperature has warmed over this period.”
In fact, the margin of error of .152 means that no trend is attributable. It means, in fact, that actual cooling cannot be ruled out, as an actual result. You need to educate yourself on the significance of the term “not statistically significant”.
“The last decade was of course the hottest decade since record keeping began”
This is good, because a warmer world is a better world. A warmer world means higher humidity levels, a longer growing season, more arable land in production as deserts shrink, and this means greater food production. This is most important in a world where population is expected to double and redouble over the next century. To prevent mass famine, food production will have to be doubled and doubled again. Famine and the death of billions through starvation is the danger that the world is faced with over the next century, not warming.
Warming also means milder winters. Why would you lament this? People are dying of the cold, not of the heat. And this brings us to the temperature trend of the last ten years: we are cooling, and this trend will continue indefinitly, some believe. This is chilling news because a cooler world means shorter growing seasons, less rainfall, a shrinkage of arable land, and mass famine worldwide, if this trend continues. Cooling is what extinguished the Norse settlements of Greenland.These were established in an era that was warmer than today. This is history, JoBrighton.
“The “no warming over the last 16 years” was of course just another factually challenged Daily Mail article by David Rose (challenged by the Met Office- his alleged source of a non existent report).”
Actually, the “no warming over the last sixteen years” is obvious from glancing at the temperature trends since 1997. You don’t have to be a genius to see it. But some people cannot think for themselves and can only repeat what they are told.You need to resist the scare talk, or you will never figure things out for yourself. So brighten up,and wise up.
Larry, I suggest you familiarise yourself with the work of the NOAA, we’ve got pretty good global temperature records going back the 1850’s and detailed country records well before that. According to the NOAA, the top 3 hottest decades in the last 16 have been the last 3. The top 15 hottest years all occurred in the last 15 years. We’re now 333 months where every single month globally has recorded a temperature above the global 20th Century average. Every single month.
The last decade was the hottest on record globally despite both a predominance of La Nina phases and the lowest TSI in over a century. That should have indicated a strong cooling phase, instead we had the hottest decade on record. Nuccitelli et al. (2012) gives provides all the observational evidence an impartial observer would require to show the earth is still warming and why natural variability is in the long term smaller than the long term warming trend. If you want the longer term, then ice core records give us excellent evidence, which confirms that CO2 levels are far higher now than at any period over at least the last 750,000 years and that they’ve risen more rapidly in the last 150 years than at any time over that period. Now, if you’re lucky enough to have total knowledge know with complete certainty the nature of all the interactions of the climate system, and you’re conclusion is that everything will carry on as before, then good for you. Sadly, you’re not. The evidence in so far shows the scientists have been too conservative in their estimates of how fast and strong those climate change impacts will be.
😉
Jo.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you Christopher. I thank you for the extraordinary contribution you have made over the years in the war against climate corruption.
Greg House says:
December 25, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Politicians and journalists can save face only blaming “climate scientists”. “Climate scientists” have no one else to blame and will suffer face loss accordingly.
I believe this needs to be carried one step further. Who is it that pays climate scientists the huge amounts of money to come up with scary scenarios due to warming?
Monckton of Brenchley says:
December 25, 2012 at 3:17 pm
The pseudonymous “Ratduke”
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I presume your slur against rgbatduke by labeling him “Ratduke” was unintentional. You can be forgiven given your state of ill health. If you wish to duel with him over matters of religion, by all means, have at it. As to your remarks regarding his science, I presume also that you don’t know that he is Robert G Brown, one of the most respected contributors to this blog, holds a PhD in physics, and is a respected researcher and professor at Duke. You may wish to reconsider your remarks in that light.
Russell Seitz says: “You don’t have to be depressingly illiterate and ill-informed to accept Monckers as an authority figure, but it certainly helps.”
The argumentum ad hominem – the logical fallacy of attacking the man and not his argument – is a shoddy sub-species of the argumentum ad ignorationem elenchi, the fallacy of introducing an extraneous consideration or red herring to the discussion, demonstrating that one is ignorant of the manner of conducting a rational argument, and implying that one is ignorant of its matter as well.
Mr. Seitz was lucky to get his little item of pointless malevolence through the moderators, but if he really cannot raise his game – on Christmas Day of all days – he may perhaps be more profitably engaged in reading Charles Dickens’ “The Christmas Carol” or playing in someone else’s sandpit.
[It did pass, but only after thought and consideration. That is, thought and consideration of what your response might be. 8<) Mod.]
JoBrighton says:
December 25, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Of those last 16 years, how many have been in the top 10 hottest since global record keeping began? 9.
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If I put $10 in a jar every day for 100 days, I’ll have $1,000. If, for the next 100 days, I put in one penny each day, at the end of 200 days, I will have $1,001. While it could be said that over the last 10 days, I’ve had more money in the jar than ever before, and that the trend is positive, the fact is that the tax man cometh and he has no interest in my pennies. They are not statistically significant.
Beyond that, of which global record do you speak? The geological record falsifies your position. The historical record falsifies your position. The ice core record falsifies your position. The records of monks in Europe, China and Japan falsify your position. Crop records going back hundreds of years falsify your position. Most recently, Keith Briffa published updated work to his own tree ring analysis which falsifies his hockey stick graph cited by the IPCC and, also…your position.
JoBrighton says:
December 25, 2012 at 3:02 pm
The last decade was of course the hottest decade since record keeping began and in fact there has been warming over the last 16 years.
To the nearest year, there has been no warming at all for 16 years, statistical or otherwise, on several data sets.
Data sets with a 0 slope for at least 15 years:
1. HadCrut3: since May 1997 or 15 years, 7 months (goes to November)
2. Sea surface temperatures: since March 1997 or 15 years, 8 months (goes to October)
3. RSS: since January 1997 or 15 years, 11 months (goes to November)
See the graph below to show it all.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1997.33/trend/plot/rss/from:1997.0/trend/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1997.1/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1997.25/plot/rss/from:1997.0/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1997.1
However in view of the significance of the 16 years lately, I would like to elaborate on RSS. The slope for 15 years and 11 months from January 1997 on RSS is -4.1 x 10^-4. But the slope for 16 years and 0 months from December 1996 is +1.3 x 10^-4. So since the magnitude of the negative slope since January 1997 is 3 times than the magnitude of the positive slope since December 1996, I believe I can say that since a quarter of the way through December 1996, in other words from December 8, 1996 to December 7, 2012, the slope is 0. This is 16 years. Therefore RSS is 192/204 or 94% of the way to Santer’s 17 years.
Now with regards to “ the hottest decade”, that is not relevant as far as NOAA is concerned. They are only interested in WARMING and not BEING WARM.
PDF document @NOAA.gov. For anyone else who wants it, the exact quote from pg 23 is:
”The simulations rule out (at the 95% level) zero trends for intervals of 15 yr or more, suggesting that an observed absence of warming of this duration is needed to create a discrepancy with the expected present-day warming rate.”
http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/bams-sotc/climate-assessment-2008-lo-rez.pdf
Another fact that may be of interest: With RSS, 2012 ranks 11th so far to the end of November, and 2011 will then be the 13th warmest, and 2008 is 22nd. So if things do not change here, three of the last five years will not even be in the top ten!
This thread has made my Christmas, It has renewed my hope that sense will one day prevail. However, I suspect that I may have to wait a while longer, but will rejoice that there are still those for whom rational argument remains the only way forward. Don’t give up, truth will out…!
richard verney says:
December 25, 2012 at 3:51 pm
“Lord Monckton accepts (at any rate for the purpose of argument) the general premis behind GW because to challenge that premise is considered to be a step too far. However, should CO2 emissions continue unabated and should temperatures not correspondingly rise, […]”
You are trying to make the case that if CO2 continues to rise yet temperatures stay constant, this would indicate that the radiative physics behind the CO2AGW theory are to be questioned. But that is not a necessary conclusion (and one I would dismiss).
The Earth’s climate has proven to be nearly perfectly homeostatic over millenia, with only tiny variations of average temperatures. This is strong indication for an abundance of negative feedbacks. A system with strong negative feedback would easily compensate the tiny influence of the pressure broadening of the absorption lines in the CO2 spectrum, and you would get no influence on temperatures while CO2 is rising – the IR would just be emitted through other frequencies – or cloudiness would rise, reflecting more short wave radiation into space.
So, that would be my explanation – the radiative physics are ok; but unimportant with regard to the average temperature.
Also, don’t forget: The natural carbon cycle exchanges way more CO2 than we produce; the derivative of CO2 concentrations looks nearly the same as the SST graph; CO2 levels are far more controlled by temperature than temperature is by CO2.
The climate models do not fail because the radiative physics are wrong. They fail because the modelers have denied the mathematical foundations that tell us that they must have zero predictive skill over longer time ranges. Weather models are far more precise than climate models; we all know they have 50% accuracy after 5 days.
The assumption that climate models can beat weather models has no basis in fact. Their predictive horizon is at most also 5 days. Not 100 years. This should be the default assumption for any rational human, otherwise, why would we not use climate models to tell us how warm next summer gets in our 50 times 50 km grid box, we don’t except for the British Met Office, and the Brits have lots of fun with it for years now.