Chris Horner responds to the EPA statement today on the question of them running a black-ops program

Earlier today I posted this story linking to the IBD editorial:

Is the EPA running a black-ops program?

I got this direct email statement from the EPA, to which Horner responds.

This email was sent directly to me this morning, my comments follow.

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From: Johnson.Alisha@xxxxxx.epa.gov

Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:16 AM

To: awatts@xxxxxx.xxx

Subject: EPA Statement

Want to make sure you have EPA’s statement on your story this a.m. This is attributable to EPA, the Agency.

For more than a decade, EPA Administrators have been assigned two official, government-issued email accounts: a public account and an internal account. The email address for the public account is posted on EPA’s website and is used by hundreds of thousands of Americans to send messages to the Administrator. The internal account is an everyday, working email account of the Administrator to communicate with staff and other government officials.

Given the large volume of emails sent to the public account –more than 1.5 million in fiscal year 2012, for instance – the internal email account is necessary for effective management and communication between the Administrator and agency colleagues.

In the case of Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests, both the public and internal accounts are reviewed for responsive records, and responsive records from both accounts are provided to FOIA requesters.

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That may be so, but it doesn’t explain these things.

1. Why is the account named “Richard Windsor” instead of something like headadmin.internal@internalmail.epa.gov

2. Why there’s no “Richard Windsor” listed at EPA

3. The reticence at making emails public, as required by law.

The EPA has failed to convince.

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Now Chris Horner, the man behind the FOIA requests and lawsuit, sends this via email:

There’s a little more to the story than the anodyne “for more than a decade”, now isn’t there? See http://cei.org/legal-briefs/cei-v-epa-complaint-re-secret-accounts paras 2-5 incl FN 1 (or for a more detailed treatment, my book, which revealed these and the EPA memo acknowledging they found the problem, that the alias account was created with the active participation of Carol “I didn’t use my computer for email/I had my computer hard drive and backup tapes being sought in court erased” Browner, and that it oddly was set on “auto-delete” until discovered).

And, why it might be regarding Jackson, consider the following:

That’s nice of them to say that they search and produce from her alias account(s). Now we will allow them to prove it with the assistance of judicial supervision. In fact, for reasons I explain a little below (at “*”), specifically past, exposed practices by secretive bureaucrats looking to keep public information from the public, we do not in fact know and need to confirm whether EPA has been searching and producing “Richard Windsor” email as appropriate in response to FOIA requests for Lisa Jackson email. That is a key issue relating to the discovery of this practice (along with what Browner emails existed, but her copies of which, only, were destroyed due to the account’s auto-delete setting that was only corrected in 2008, and they did not bother to try and reconstruct them).

This will come out in our suit (http://cei.org/news-releases/cei-sues-epa-administrators-secret-email-account-related-records), or our subsequent Windsor-specific FOIA request, or the investigations instigated by the House chairmen (http://science.house.gov/press-release/members-question-use-secret-email-accounts-top-obama-administration-officials).

We do have information leading us to suspect they’ve been redacting the address, improperly, when the request/production would have revealed that it was her alias, while actually acknowledging that that is not a lawful application of FOIA by releasing it (thereby acknowledging the information is not in fact properly withheld) when the production would not indicate to the requester that it was Jackson’s (attached production).

* We need to recognize the possibility that EPA was not searching the account(s): if a non-Jackson employee conducted the search, they’d not know about them; if Jackson or her aide did it, it is possible they chose not to, rationalizing that, well, the requester could not have know about the account and so couldn’t possibly have been thinking of it when asking for records from her EPA email. This would not be inconsistent with recently exposed practices of activist bureaucrats.

For example, as I explain in detail (including the problems this has caused) in  The Liberal War on Transparency: Confessions of a Freedom of Information “Criminal” — irony alert: it was Jackson who called my FOIAing criminal — a major flaw with the way they implement FOIA is that the employee whose records are sought is the employee agencies task with producing potentially responsive records. They have the greatest incentive to hide records (as such, I suggest the first court we ask will conclude that all such searches are prima facie insufficient).

In one case, at NOAA, a senior official charged with leading the US involvement in the UN IPCC repeatedly failed to search for records or farm out requests for them, to staff who would possess responsive records, by stating that, really, any such records would have been produced or received by them while working for the UN (an IG affirmed, no, they weren’t). So any records in the office, well, they’d really be UN records (an IG affirmed, no, they wouldn’t). They pulled this for years, as an Inspector General acknowledged and condemned, until I called them on it. Soon, this now-former senior employee’s home computer and email account were being searched by the IT chief in response to my FOIA for “IPCC” records.

Now, with that said, note that I possess FOIA’d Jackson email showing that the Agency on at least one occasion has withheld her address. Possible reasons include, e.g., it is an alias account (“Windsor”, or other), another EPA account in her name but not her public one, or her personal account (which we’ve established this team widely also use for sensitive comms). This came in a 2010 production to Judicial Watch of several emails with Jackson’s address redacted, citing the (b)(2) exemption, claiming that the address relates to an “Internal Personnel Rule (or) Practice”. That is improper/unlawful. It is just secretive.

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Jeff Alberts
November 20, 2012 7:01 pm

Robert A. Taylor says:
November 20, 2012 at 1:26 pm
“1. Why is the account named “Richard Windsor” instead of something like headadmin.internal@internalmail.epa.gov?”
Because any such standard account terminology would allow quick discovery, and clogging of the account with extraneous e-mails; “more than 1.5 million in fiscal year 2012”, for example, making the account useless for everyday internal use.

Nonsense. Don’t know much about email systems, do ya.
As a consultant, I worked on an IT project for a department VERY close to the White House (logistically, as well as geographically). Every one of the email addresses were based on the person’s name, from the mail room guys, to the administrator.

Ch.E
November 20, 2012 7:18 pm

To answer the question, yes, it is most certainly possible to make certain email addresses inaccessible from the outside. There is no need to use sneaky aliases to prevent message overload. A proper firewall can simply bounce all emails to internal addresses.
No cigar.

Bill H
November 20, 2012 7:22 pm

If we learned anything from the EAU and those emails we would know that they will use any tactic to keep their agenda and lies hidden..
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Then look at the tactics used by General Patreaus and his mistress where top secret info was sent.. and then stored on a private computer… one should get a real queasy feeling…
The behavior is not a small instance or small practice.. It is wide spread and abusive to subvert FOIA laws..

kadaka (KD Knoebel)
November 20, 2012 8:17 pm

Re previous comment:
*sigh* Came up with odd spacing, last paragraph lost the italics…
Note to self: Call out italics separately for each paragraph next time, see if it looks better.

DirkH
November 20, 2012 8:33 pm

Brad says:
November 20, 2012 at 12:29 pm
“There is not a boogeyman behind every discrepancy, and making every one into a big deal will make any issues you do find smaller. I would recommend moving on, this seems petty.”
Lisa, is that you?

A. Scott
November 20, 2012 9:59 pm

EPA is clearly concerned – not only reaching out to Anthony, but also media such as Politico …
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/84112.html?hp=r1
At least we know the alleged reason for the name:
“The name came from that of a family dog when Jackson lived in East Windsor Township, N.J., an EPA official said Tuesday”

Billy
November 20, 2012 11:33 pm

If aliases were used for security/filtering then all authorised contacts would have to be issued with alias lists and the lists would have to be rolled over regularly, like the Enigma codes. It would be very cumbersome and ineffective, total nonsense. Filtering and secure login would be the way to go.
Does anyone beleive the EPA and the gov’t use such childish system?

pat
November 21, 2012 12:36 am

A. Scott –
thought u were joking til i read the politico piece. note it says:
– “For more than a decade, EPA administrators have been assigned two official, government-issued email accounts: a public account and an internal account,” EPA said in a statement to POLITICO. “The email address for the public account is posted on EPA’s website and is used by hundreds of thousands of Americans to send messages to the administrator. The internal account is an everyday, working email account of the administrator to communicate with staff and other government officials.”
High-ranking officials from George W. Bush’s EPA agree that the arrangement is nothing new, and say they were never under the impression that the internal account was a secret. Senior EPA leadership and EPA regional administrators had the email address, as did anyone to whom the administrator provided it, and the messages were all considered part of the public record.
When it comes to public records and FOIA requests, “both the public and internal accounts are reviewed for responsive records, and responsive records from both accounts are provided to FOIA requesters,” EPA said. –
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/84112.html#ixzz2CqPT3sAi

John Marshall
November 21, 2012 5:03 am

More twists and turns than the plot of the ”Girl With The Dragon Tattoo” trilogy.

ajstrata
November 21, 2012 6:59 am

If you want to focus your search, request all email accounts for a person, not the name of the email address. Only Lisa Jackson has access to “Richard’s” email account. Request all accounts ‘owned, utilized and accessed for sending and receiving emails’. Make sure to request a list of email forwarding addresses. And request a search of all possible storage devices (e.g., crack-berries, personal PC’s that are forwarded to, office computers, laptop computers, file systems, etc).

RichieP
November 21, 2012 8:35 am

“Brad says:
November 20, 2012 at 12:29 pm
“There is not a boogeyman behind every discrepancy, and making every one into a big deal will make any issues you do find smaller. I would recommend moving on, this seems petty.””
Thank you Brad. For most of us here, that probably confirms to us that it’s actually really important. And who do you work for then?

Rob Crawford
November 21, 2012 10:40 am

“There is not a boogeyman behind every discrepancy, and making every one into a big deal will make any issues you do find smaller. I would recommend moving on, this seems petty.”
Weird… it was major news when people accused Karl Rove of having two email accounts…

Gamecock
November 21, 2012 10:57 am

I insist there’s another account. Richard Windsor ain’t it. No one would ever respond to an email from Richard. They’d see the name, wonder who it is, look it up in an agency directory, NOT FIND IT, then delete the email as bogus.

Lars P.
November 21, 2012 2:19 pm

StuartMcL says:
November 20, 2012 at 12:15 pm
The “Richard Windsor” seems slightly irrelevant to me,
I would suggest you setup your new work account at your office displaying “Roberta Windsor” instead your name and watch the results if you think it is irrelevant.

Dave K
November 22, 2012 2:56 am

I don’t know why the concern, it’s just her pornstar name:
Pets name and area you lived.
Cher Whitby x

Michael W
November 22, 2012 8:50 am

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