This list of who’s who is instructive to review. It says a lot about credibility of the “Sandy was caused by global warming” argument being pushed by activists and media.
Compare who’s pushing the agenda versus who isn’t buying into the hype. See below.
Links to their statements are designated with an asterisk * – click on the * to see the story
| Says Global Warming IS the cause of Hurricane Sandy | Says Global Warming IS NOT the cause of Hurricane Sandy | ||
| Name | affiliation/link | Name | affiliation/link |
| Al Gore | activist Climate Reality Project * | Dr. Martin Hoerling | NOAA * |
| Joe Romm | activist CAP * | Dr. Roger Pielke Jr. | UC * |
| Bill McKibben | activist 350.org * | Dr. Karsten Brandt | donnerwetter * |
| Chris Mooney | activist and blogger, Grist * | Dr. Chris Landsea | NOAA NHC * |
| Roseann Barr | actress/singer Pres.candidate * | Dr. Ryan Maue | Weatherbell * |
| Meghain McCain | no known credentials * | Dr. Patrick Michaels | VA state climo/ Cato * |
| Dr.Katharine Hayhoe | Texas Tech * | Dr. Judith Curry | Georgia Tech * |
| Dr. Michael Oppenheimer | activist EDF * | Dr.Norman Page | PhD – Geology * |
| Jennifer Granholm | TV host/fmr governor * | Dr.Gerald North | Texas A&M * |
| Dr. George Lackoff | Berkeley * | Eric Berger | Houston Chronicle SciGuy * |
| Dr. James Hansen | activist, NASA GISS * | Tom Chivers | UK Telegraph * |
| Van Jones | apologist and activist * | Andrew Revkin | New York Times * |
| Chris Matthews | Hardball * Deniers are pigs. | Dr. Roy Spencer | UAH * |
| Bill Clinton | #42 * | Joe Bastardi | WeatherBELL* |
| Dr. Stephan Lewandowsky | Pollster * | ||
| Michael Moore | Sicko (on CNN) | ||
| UNSURE/ASK ANOTHER/ DIFFERENT QUESTION: | COMPLETELY OFF TARGET POOR GEOGRAPHY | ||
| Dr. Randall Dole (NOAA):Dr. Peter Stott of the UK Met OfficeDr. Kevin Trenberth (NCAR) | * | Dr. Michio Kaku * | |
| Dr. Kerry Emanuel (MIT) | * | ||
From this comparison it seems clear that activists are pushing the idea that Hurricane Sandy is cased by AGW/Global Warming.But what about the hundreds of other storms?
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Love this story! An intelligent and honest newspaper in DC? I thought they all went extinct.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/30/frankenstorm-follies/
There’s one against it being co2, a newspaper.
Wow, and then this:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/oct/30/picket-al-gore-blames-hurricane-sandy-global-warmi/
Two correct stories in one day! Amazing.
David Ross said on October 30, 2012 at 9:26 pm:
You don’t have CA Assistant thus don’t have the Preview button to check formatting before posting, that’s what happened. 🙂
I see they are still NOT listening to Dr. Chris Landsea. remember him? Of course you do. That; Kevin E. Trenberth is a [snip]. I see that this time around he is not sure, or ask another question. I bet he would love to call another press conference.
dp says:
October 30, 2012 at 5:15 pm
“Mosh is on record at Dr. Curry’s blog as a definite yes at
http://judithcurry.com/2012/10/30/frankenstorm/#comment-262146 ”
But he says more;
“The science is pretty clear Joshua. There is heating in the pipeline.
heating we can do NOTHING to mitigate. We are seeing the effects of climate change today, there is nothing we can do except adapt in the short term. Stop being anti science.
The frankenstorm is directly tied to global warming.
There is heat in the pipe.
We will see more frankenstorms that mitigation can do nothing to stop.
Adapt now.”
Sounds more like someone from GISS?
Probably the largest athropogenic effect on Sandy, was reduced urban aerosols over recent decades. Urban aerosols are known to decrease hurricane intensity substantially. With a secondary contribution from increased SSTs downwind from these urban areas on the US east coast, through increased solar insolation from decreased aerosol seeded clouds.
You can blame the catalytic converters and similar measures, like coal power station scrubbers for significantly contributing to Sandy’s intensity.
OF COURSE Hurricane Sandy was caused by global warming!
If we had extreme planetary glaciation like was found billions of years ago, there wouldn’t have been enough open water to allow a storm like Sandy. There wouldn’t have been enough of a temperature gradient and enough available energy either.
Global warming gave us Hurricane Sandy. And still I WANT MORE WARMING. I’d rather seek shelter from a strong storm on occasion than try to survive on top of a mile-thick ice sheet with no food anywhere.
Fight the ice! Bring on the heat!
[snip , there are sites for this kind of post. WUWT isn’t one of them . . mod]
Well I expect there will be some shifty semantics around the meaning of cause.
Let me see now. Let’s say someone crashes into a tree with their car. It’s quite valid I guess to say that this happened because they depressed the accelerator to much. On the other hand to reject the notion that the cause was that they were having a heart attack at the time, —because—-, it was the accelerator being depressed, is just perverse.
By the way, I notice only warmists activists are called activists but some how climate skeptic activists are not call activists in that table.
REPLY: This is because with the exception of Pat Michaels, who now works with Cato, those on the right side don’t belong to NGO activist organizations. In retrospect, I probably should have made some labels clearer, such as for Dr. James Hansen, which could read “arrested activist”.
-Anthony
So 5 Doctors think it is caused by Global Warming, 10 Doctors do not. I’ll go with the concensus then.
_Jim says: October 30, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Jerky says October 30, 2012 at 8:34 pm
The fact is that ocean temperature anomalies were on the order of 2 degrees and warmer. …
Cite? Reference?
Bob Tisdale’s August SST post at WUWT sets it out.
Here’s the plot.
It takes a lot of chutzpah to accuse some folk of saying Sandy was “caused” by AGW while offering links as ‘proof’ which contradict your claims. There is a significant difference between claiming warming factors look to be enhancing storms,and saying they ’caused’ them.
Avaaz is twisting and turning to try and put the blame on climate change. See here http://en.avaaz.org/992/hurricane-sandy–a-storm-of-silence
I wrote ‘bollocks’ on their Facebook page and linked to a previous post on this site.
Even though (they said) Sandy is one of the worst hurricane during 100 years but I think it is probably not the worst in mankind’s history. Well I’m also kind of unsure about global warming. It’s just a result of 100+ years research time (in comparison with our earth’s (too long) age). However I do agree about green living and eco-lifestyle. Let’s just reduce our greediness and be kind to our mother nature. God bless. Amen.
The answer is virtually none, meaning the influence is so very small as to be virtually undetectable and negligible in its outcome. It is sort of like asking yes or no to the question of whether an ant or a human being who falls into the sea causes the sea water to warm, the sea level to rise, and global warming to ensue as a consequence. How can you tell the difference between Hurricane/Tropical Storm Sandy and any of its predecessors in 1954, 1938, 1780, 1635, or any of the other great storms before the advent of the industrial age?
Didn’t the alarmists say that Katrina was the start of a new normal too?
I originally put this in the previous thread, but I’ll repost it here since this thread is more appropriate. NASA “scientist” (I use the word losely; his scientific skills are meh at best) Dr Phil Plait, the “bad astronomer”, posted a weasel-like “it isn’t but it is” link between Sandy and global warming:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/10/30/a-wind-is-rising/
I posted there a criticism and a link to Dr Pielke Jr’s article about Chris Landsea, on why scientists harm their credibility by making these linkages; I thought Dr Pielke Jr would be less provocative as he is not a climate skeptic. But no, my post was deleted. I made a later comment under the name “Spence_EU” using hidemyass asking why he deleted my earlier comment; this one got posted, but no answer. It seems Dr Plait is happy to post up pseudoscience, but links to actual scientists active in the field get deleted. Go figure.
Hurricanes are made and kept alive by energy/temperature difference between sea and atmosphere, mostly around both sides of equator.
Closer to the poles the storms are mostly made and kept alive by air masses with energy/temperature difference.
This storm ended up being both in the end?
The cold air masses it met was made by global warming?
‘Global warming is actually a misnomer. It should be called global swings.’
Is the quote above from Dr Michio Kaku the first usage of a new euphemism, or have I just not spotted it before?
I guess all these others were caused by global warming??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_New_England_hurricane#New_York
The long slow process of the Earth trying in vain to reach equilibrium sees the warm waters of three large solar cycles and a very big El Nino meandering northward. The warmth is meeting its match impinging on the ice of the far north and dumping heat to space. Sandy just released to space a couple of ergs and maybe a few jules and most likely some calories. These precious items are not being replaced at the moment as our energy supplier is on holidays for the forseeable future. Sandy can be looked upon as a bigass heat pump cooling the last warm waters in the north. Equilibrium is never possible for our planet and thus we have weather, at times less than conducive for us fragile creatures. That some people can blame weather on people, say’s much about their thought processes and even more about their scientific knowledge and research capabilities. I can only shake my head in wonder.
Nick Stokes says:
October 31, 2012 at 12:28 am
_Jim says: October 30, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Jerky says October 30, 2012 at 8:34 pm
The fact is that ocean temperature anomalies were on the order of 2 degrees and warmer. …
Cite? Reference?
Bob Tisdale’s August SST post at WUWT sets it out.
Forgive me, I’m a little confused with your comments regarding Tisdales’ August chart. It looks to me as if the entire Caribbean as well as the gulfstream from the tip of Florida to up past Hatteras is neutral in the SST anomaly temps as shown. Since Sandy followed this path, but didn’t linger above Hatteras for long before turning westward over land, how would the positive temperature anomaly shown north east of Sandy’s path affect her strength? I was under the impression that it is the ocean temperature and the amount of time that the heating under the eyewall convective area occurs is what governs a hurricanes potential strength. Sandy’s path saw none of this anomaly. Perhaps the anomalies had changed by late October and I was referred to the the wrong chart. Otherwise, I’m unable to rectify the statement about a 3 degree gulfstream anomalous SST having much of anything to do with this particular hurricane’s behavior.
The wonder is not that the storm hit and subways were flooded, but rather the wonder is that so many years passed without the hit occurring.
I can remember sitting around as a somewhat destructive young man, plotting “perfect storms” and “worse-case-scenareos,” and “the-storm-that-flooded-NYC-subways” was only one of many disasters we imagined occurring. We did that back in 1971.
If we “could see it coming” forty years ago, then wiser people could see it would happen as well. I can only suppose it was decided building some sort of water barriers was deemed too expensive.
Now NYC has a big mess to clean up. I hope they use the opportunity to build an amazing new subway. The danger, of course, is that the “bad-sort” get involved in the rebuilding. If that happens then what will be built will be an inferior boondoggle with sub-standard materials and leaks and falling ceilings, like Boston’s “Big Dig.” On the other hand, this could be a chance for New Yorkers to prove they are better than Bostonians.
In either case, I doubt a .6 degree rise in temperatures and 5 centemeter rise in sea levels had much to do with the flooded subways.
Yeah right, so Storm Sandy was caused by global warming. Warming right? Which is why it happened right at the end of October – well known as being the HOTTEST month of the year and right at the very PEAK of hurricane season. All that hot weather and AGW – the earth simply couldn’t take it.
Also Autumn high tides and areas of high population density are CAUSED by AGW. It is a well known fact proven by consensus amongst all the “right” people. /sarc_off
There appears to be a psychological aspect here – some people are always disposed to blame anything that happens on their behavior or someone behavior and that the behavior somehow brought any problems down on them. In the early civilizations it was angering the gods, in early Christian times it something that had brought down God’s displeasure, now we have scientists with the same psychological need to blame chance events, laying the blame on carbon dioxide.
“The Great Storm of 1703 was the most severe storm or natural disaster ever recorded in the southern part of Great Britain. It affected southern England and the English Channel on the 26-27 November (December 7-8 in the modern calendar)”……
…..”The storm, unprecedented in ferocity and duration, was generally reckoned by witnesses to represent the anger of God—in recognition of the “crying sins of this nation”, the government declared 19 January 1704 a day of fasting, saying it “loudly calls for the deepest and most solemn humiliation of our people”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Storm_of_1703
Obviously this storm was NOT caused by Global Warming – it was caused by a previous God also angry at mankind’s behavior. The cure therefore was not to cripple power generation it was to have a day of fasting – which is just as (in)effective at stopping large storms.
The people on the left column are just displaying an atavistic tendency of attempting to find someone to blame for random events. In Salem it was witches.