From the University of Arizona (h/t to WUWT reader Miguel Rakiewicz):
A new study has found that climate-prediction models are good at predicting long-term climate patterns on a global scale but lose their edge when applied to time frames shorter than three decades and on sub-continental scales.
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Published in the Journal of Geophysical Research-Atmospheres, the study is one of the first to systematically address a longstanding, fundamental question asked not only by climate scientists and weather forecasters, but the public as well: How good are Earth system models at predicting the surface air temperature trend at different geographical and time scales?
Xubin Zeng, a professor in the University of Arizona department of atmospheric sciences who leads a research group evaluating and developing climate models, said the goal of the study was to bridge the communities of climate scientists and weather forecasters, who sometimes disagree with respect to climate change.
According to Zeng, who directs the UA Climate Dynamics and Hydrometeorology Center, the weather forecasting community has demonstrated skill and progress in predicting the weather up to about two weeks into the future, whereas the track record has remained less clear in the climate science community tasked with identifying long-term trends for the global climate.
“Without such a track record, how can the community trust the climate projections we make for the future?” said Zeng, who serves on the Board on Atmospheric Sciences and Climate of the National Academies and the Executive Committee of the American Meteorological Society. “Our results show that actually both sides’ arguments are valid to a certain degree.”
“Climate scientists are correct because we do show that on the continental scale, and for time scales of three decades or more, climate models indeed show predictive skills. But when it comes to predicting the climate for a certain area over the next 10 or 20 years, our models can’t do it.”
To test how accurately various computer-based climate prediction models can turn data into predictions, Zeng’s group used the “hindcast” approach.
“Ideally, you would use the models to make predictions now, and then come back in say, 40 years and see how the predictions compare to the actual climate at that time,” said Zeng. “But obviously we can’t wait that long. Policymakers need information to make decisions now, which in turn will affect the climate 40 years from now.”
Zeng’s group evaluated seven computer simulation models used to compile the reports that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or IPCC, issues every six years. The researchers fed them historical climate records and compared their results to the actual climate change observed between then and now.
“We wanted to know at what scales are the climate models the IPCC uses reliable,” said Koichi Sakaguchi, a doctoral student in Zeng’s group who led the study. “These models considered the interactions between the Earth’s surface and atmosphere in both hemispheres, across all continents and oceans and how they are coupled.”
Zeng said the study should help the community establish a track record whose accuracy in predicting future climate trends can be assessed as more comprehensive climate data become available.
“Our goal was to provide climate modeling centers across the world with a baseline they can use every year as they go forward,” Zeng added. “It is important to keep in mind that we talk about climate hindcast starting from 1880. Today, we have much more observational data. If you start your prediction from today for the next 30 years, you might have a higher prediction skill, even though that hasn’t been proven yet.”
The skill of a climate model depends on three criteria at a minimum, Zeng explained. The model has to use reliable data, its prediction must be better than a prediction based on chance, and its prediction must be closer to reality than a prediction that only considers the internal climate variability of the Earth system and ignores processes such as variations in solar activity, volcanic eruptions, greenhouse gas emissions from fossil fuel burning and land-use change, for example urbanization and deforestation.
“If a model doesn’t meet those three criteria, it can still predict something but it cannot claim to have skill,” Zeng said.
According to Zeng, global temperatures have increased in the past century by about 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit or 0.8 degrees Celsius on average. Barring any efforts to curb global warming from greenhouse gas emissions, the temperatures could further increase by about 4.5 degrees Fahrenheit (2.5 degrees Celsius) or more by the end of the 21st century based on these climate models.
“The scientific community is pushing policymakers to avoid the increase of temperatures by more than 2 degrees Celsius because we feel that once this threshold is crossed, global warming could be damaging to many regions,” he said.
Zeng said that climate models represent the current understanding of the factors influencing climate, and then translate those factors into computer code and integrate their interactions into the future.
“The models include most of the things we know,” he explained, “such as wind, solar radiation, turbulence mixing in the atmosphere, clouds, precipitation and aerosols, which are tiny particles suspended in the air, surface moisture and ocean currents.”
Zeng described how the group did the analysis: “With any given model, we evaluated climate predictions from 1900 into the future – 10 years, 20 years, 30 years, 40 years, 50 years. Then we did the same starting in 1901, then 1902 and so forth, and applied statistics to the results.”
Climate models divide the Earth into grid boxes whose size determines its spatial resolution. According to Zeng, state of the art is about one degree, equaling about 60 miles (100 kilometers).
“There has to be a simplification because if you look outside the window, you realize you don’t typically have a cloud cover that measures 60 miles by 60 miles. The models cannot reflect that kind of resolution. That’s why we have all those uncertainties in climate prediction.”
“Our analysis confirmed what we expected from last IPCC report in 2007,” said Sakaguchi. “Those climate models are believed to be of good skill on large scales, for example predicting temperature trends over several decades, and we confirmed that by showing that the models work well for time spans longer than 30 years and across geographical scales spanning 30 degrees or more.”
The scientists pointed out that although the IPCC issues a new report every six years, they didn’t see much change with regard to the prediction skill of the different models.
“The IPCC process is driven by international agreements and politics,” Zeng said. “But in science, we are not expected to make major progress in just six years. We have made a lot of progress in understanding certain processes, for example airborne dust and other small particles emitted from surface, either through human activity or through natural sources into the air. But climate and the Earth system still are extremely complex. Better understanding doesn’t necessarily translate into better skill in a short time.”
“Once you go into details, you realize that for some decades, models are doing a much better job than for some other decades. That is because our models are only as good as our understanding of the natural processes, and there is a lot we don’t understand.”
Michael Brunke, a graduate student in Zeng’s group who focused on ocean-atmosphere interactions, co-authored the study, which is titled “The Hindcast Skill of the CMIP Ensembles for the Surface Air Temperature Trend.”
Funding for this work was provided by NASA grant NNX09A021G, National Science Foundation grant AGS-0944101 and Department of Energy grant DE-SC0006773.
Thirty years, that’s the rough length of each half of the climate’s sixty year warm/cool cycle.
force fit model to historic temperature record, then claim that somehow means they have predictive skill, what a waste of tax payer money, cant they find something useful to do research on?For
Zeng talks complete and utter garbage, as commenters above have pointed out (models have been trained/designed including the information in the set used for validation, rendering the validation meaningless).
He’s one of the c0nfidence tricksters of the CO2AGW-scientific apparatus. In a just world, he would be defunded, fired and made to wait a table.
Steven Mosher:
At September 18, 2012 at 8:37 pm you make the plain wrong assertion concerning forecasting skill
NO!
The question is does it have skill as measured against expectation from chance.
“Alternatives“ have nothing to do with it.
There may be several “alternative” models of the same thing. Indeed, each of the climate models is unique so there are several “alternatives”. But a climate model does not demonstrate “skill” by being “measured against [those] alternatives”.
A climate model demonstrates skill by predicting climate behaviour better than chance would anticipate.
And to date no climate model has demonstrated any predictive skill of any kind.
Richard
The last century had strong natural oscillations with a period of roughly 60 years. That makes it maximally difficult to predict 30 years into the future if your models don’t model these oscillations properly. Hence, you will get a slightly better result for 40 and 50 years, not because the models are better for longer periods, but because they’re lousy.
It does look as if climate models are being abused on an almost industrial scale.
As already pointed out, the claim that the models are accurate over thirty years is laughable – or it would be if it weren’t so serious.
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I would think that hindcasts are also useless as a means of evaluating predictive skills, because most likely they have been adjusted to match historical data. I have seen some hindcasts that are so accurate over decades as to be completely impossible. These models can’t predict the weather in a few weeks’ time, for Heaven’s sake. The only realistic explanation is that the models were indeed adjusted to match historical data.
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Because many climate scientists can’t be trusted, the only honest way to test a model’s predictions is to wait until the forecast has matured. So far, all the forecasts from several decades ago have turned out completely wrong.
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Climate models certainly have their uses, but long term forecasting isn’t one of them. The claim that the models can forecast the climate 50 or 100 years in the future is close to fraudulent.
Chris
The head honcho Zeng at least takes a humble and cautious tone here, his key statement is that “our models are only as good as our understanding of the natural processes, and there is a lot that we dont understand”.
However in terms of the Popperian criteria for science to be falsifiable, this is just about as evasive and slippery as it gets. We are told retro-casts from past times forward cant be expected to succeed due to insufficient data quality. And modelling skill cant be expected to improve over not one but several six year periods. And it a model is wrong after 30 years, no worries, just wait another 70 and it will all come right. So only a model made today, with curent data, can be expected to have any skill but we willl have to wait 100 to find out.
No pressure then.
I just read Anthony Beevor’s history of D-day. Contrast the situation of the UK’s head meteorologist James Stagg, and the responsibility he faced: a complex Atlantic weather outlook, stark disagreements between British and American meteorologists, and Eisenhower demanding a forecast on which alone hinged the decision when to launch the invasion.
That was meteorology that mattered.
And, thank God, he got it right.
What a dream world these people live in. If a model is no good over 30 years it will be useless over 30 years. Divergence will increase because climate is a chaotic system.
Get real!
[300 years?]
The climate models are fudged. The modelers use false, fabricated (mostly aerosol) data to force their models to hindcast, and then they falsely claim the ability to forecast! This false hindcasting practice is scientific fraud.
The subject study is based on this climate model fraud, and is utter nonsense.
How can he claims short term skill? Climate modelling predicted significant warming for the last thirty years, of which 15 shows no significant warming. Seems to be no more skillful than random chance to me. Perhaps “skill” is now defined as “not completely wrong”. GK
@MarkW says: September 18, 2012 at 1:04 pm
If models have such a good track record predicting more than 30 years out, then why were the predictions made back in the 80′s, so far off?
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My reaction too. When did models of any note start being used? ie. what models do we have that predicted the decade we are now in? And where are the results? This sounds like weapons grade [snip . . BS . .mod] to me.
The financial markets are littered with models that do extremely well in hindcasting but are utter failures going forward.
So now the MIGO are predictions? How come they are always projections when they are shown as rubbish? Richard M thanks, money in garbage out, good thing keyboard semisubmersible.
This may be OT but I keep seeing references to “Chicken Little” on WUWT. I have absolutely no idea to what this refers as it seems to be an American thing. Anyone tell me (in the UK) what it is, please?
[Reply: It’s Chicken Licken in the U.K. — mod.]
This may be OT but I keep seeing references to “Chicken Little” on WUWT. I have absolutely no idea to what this refers as it seems to be an American thing. Anyone tell me (in the UK) what it is, please?
[Reply: It’s Chicken Licken in the U.K. — mod.]
Oh dear, I haven’t heard of Chicken Licken either. I didn’t realize my village was so remote.
Didn’t Barnet et al. publish a paper a few years back looking at the power spectral density (PSD) of GCM models compared with real temperature data? I am certain that their conclusion was that the PSD of the models they studied was right for very short time periods–up through approx. ten years; right for century-scale time periods; but rather badly wrong for periods between a decade and a century. That seems to be right in line with what these boys and girls are saying.
Hi Peridot:
“Chicken Little” refers to a children’s story. Chicken Little is struck by a falling acorn, concludes “The Sky Is Falling!” and proceeds to convince other animals that the sky is indeed falling. The animals all are panicked. In their state of panic they are easily tricked by a fox.
You may readily determine the similarities of the story to what climate skeptics feel the pushers of the AGW theory are saying.
This is hardly news. Projections are more confident for global scale changes over the long-term, and much less so for local-scale changes in the short-term. Same thing has been said in the IPCC and at realclimate (pretty much ever since that website was created). Has anyone ever said differently?
Does mister Zheng know the paper of the Alfred Wegener Institut In Germany – as far as I remember it was discussed here at WUWT – ? This papaer showed, that the models could not calculate the correct climate for the last 6000 years, also all parmeters were known.
Chris R. says:
September 19, 2012 at 11:25 am
“Chicken Little” refers to a children’s story. Chicken Little is struck by a falling acorn, concludes “The Sky Is Falling!” and proceeds to convince other animals that the sky is indeed falling. The animals all are panicked. In their state of panic they are easily tricked by a fox.
Thanks Chris – I understand the reference at last.! I am a pensioner and Chicken Little must have flown under my radar. The analogy is first class!
”The authors state that the climate models ” …loose their edge when applied to time frames shorter than three decades…” This is very apparent with the Met Office forecasts using million $ computers. They predicted O.48 C rise during 2012 for the global temperature anomaly .[ based on hadcrut3gl]. The actual is running closer to 0.371C to the end of July . The more problematic forecast is their decadal forecast to 2020. They are predicting the global temperature anomaly to go up to 0.8C by 2020 when many models based on historic climate cycles show a decline all the way to 2030 and later. They missed their 2011 forecast and missed 12 of the last 13 annual forecasts per the CLIMATE EDINBURGH analysis. How can they possibly be more accurate on 30 years plus forecasts when you so far off year after year? Would you invest your $’s in an institution for the long term if it fails to meet its current projections year after year? Are these climate modelers counting on that many of us will have short memories and will not remember a ridiculous forecast made some 30 yers ago. Perhaps some will no longer be around to be held accoutable?The unfortunate thing is that these long term models are being used to influence public policy and diverting our limited financial resources for items that will have little if any impact on climate and our mainstream media will not do their homework to tell the public that they are potentially spending money on the wrong priorities .
Does it have skill when measured against the alternative.? This can lead to false reasoning and bad choices.. If the only skill you have is inadequate due to lack of understnding of all the variables and most importantly it has not been properly validated and if the alternatives[skills] are no better, then one has little justification to yell the sky is falling . It would be totally irresponsible. Its much too early to alarm people about some threat that you do not yet even understand properly yourself . The classic cases are medicines that are put on the market without proper testing and long term evaluations first where the side effects of the medicine start killing people rather than curing them and the medicine has to be withdrawn [but only after great suffering for the public.]