
This press release was provided by Sandia National Labs:
In an effort to shed light on the wide spectrum of thought regarding the causes and extent of changes in Earth’s climate, Sandia National Laboratories has invited experts from a wide variety of perspectives to present their views in the Climate Change and National Security Speaker Series.
Predictions by climate models are flawed, says invited speaker at Sandia
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor Richard Lindzen, a global warming skeptic, told about 70 Sandia researchers in June that too much is being made of climate change by researchers seeking government funding. He said their data and their methods did not support their claims.
“Despite concerns over the last decades with the greenhouse process, they oversimplify the effect,” he said. “Simply cranking up CO2 [carbon dioxide] (as the culprit) is not the answer” to what causes climate change.
Lindzen, the ninth speaker in Sandia’s Climate Change and National Security Speaker Series, is Alfred P. Sloan professor of meteorology in MIT’s department of earth, atmospheric and planetary sciences. He has published more than 200 scientific papers and is the lead author of Chapter 7 (“Physical Climate Processes and Feedbacks”) of the International Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) Third Assessment Report. He is a member of the National Academy of Sciences and a fellow of the American Geophysical Union and the American Meteorological Society.
For 30 years, climate scientists have been “locked into a simple-minded identification of climate with greenhouse-gas level. … That climate should be the function of a single parameter (like CO2) has always seemed implausible. Yet an obsessive focus on such an obvious oversimplification has likely set back progress by decades,” Lindzen said.
For major climates of the past, other factors were more important than carbon dioxide. Orbital variations have been shown to quantitatively account for the cycles of glaciations of the past 700,000 years, he said, and the elimination of the arctic inversion, when the polar caps were ice-free, “is likely to have been more important than CO2 for the warm episode during the Eocene 50 million years ago.”
There is little evidence that changes in climate are producing extreme weather events, he said. “Even the IPCC says there is little if any evidence of this. In fact, there are important physical reasons for doubting such anticipations.”
Lindzen’s views run counter to those of almost all major professional societies. For example, the American Physical Society statement of Nov. 18, 2007, read, “The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring.” But he doesn’t feel they are necessarily right. “Why did the American Physical Society take a position?” he asked his audience. “Why did they find it compelling? They never answered.”
Speaking methodically with flashes of humor — “I always feel that when the conversation turns to weather, people are bored.” — he said a basic problem with current computer climate models that show disastrous increases in temperature is that relatively small increases in atmospheric gases lead to large changes in temperatures in the models.
But, he said, “predictions based on high (climate) sensitivity ran well ahead of observations.”
Real-world observations do not support IPCC models, he said: “We’ve already seen almost the equivalent of a doubling of CO2 (in radiative forcing) and that has produced very little warming.”
He disparaged proving the worth of models by applying their criteria to the prediction of past climatic events, saying, “The models are no more valuable than answering a test when you have the questions in advance.”
Modelers, he said, merely have used aerosols as a kind of fudge factor to make their models come out right. (Aerosols are tiny particles that reflect sunlight. They are put in the air by industrial or volcanic processes and are considered a possible cause of temperature change at Earth’s surface.)
Then there is the practical question of what can be done about temperature increases even if they are occurring, he said. “China, India, Korea are not going to go along with IPCC recommendations, so … the only countries punished will be those who go along with the recommendations.”
He discounted mainstream opinion that climate change could hurt national security, saying that “historically there is little evidence of natural disasters leading to war, but economic conditions have proven much more serious. Almost all proposed mitigation policies lead to reduced energy availability and higher energy costs. All studies of human benefit and national security perspectives show that increased energy is important.”
He showed a graph that demonstrated that more energy consumption leads to higher literacy rate, lower infant mortality and a lower number of children per woman.
Given that proposed policies are unlikely to significantly influence climate and that lower energy availability could be considered a significant threat to national security, to continue with a mitigation policy that reduces available energy “would, at the least, appear to be irresponsible,” he argued.
Responding to audience questions about rising temperatures, he said a 0.8 of a degree C change in temperature in 150 years is a small change. Questioned about five-, seven-, and 17-year averages that seem to show that Earth’s surface temperature is rising, he said temperatures are always fluctuating by tenths of a degree.
As for the future, “Uncertainty plays a huge role in this issue,” Lindzen said. “It’s not that we expect disaster, it’s that the uncertainty is said to offer the possibility of disaster: implausible, but high consequence. Somewhere it has to be like the possible asteroid impact: Live with it.”
To a sympathetic questioner who said, “You are like a voice crying in the wilderness. It must be hard to get published,” Lindzen said, adding that billions of dollars go into funding climate studies. “The reward for solving problems is that your funding gets cut. It’s not a good incentive structure.”
Asked whether the prudent approach to possible climate change would be to prepare a gradated series of responses, much as insurance companies do when they insure cars or houses, Lindzen did not shift from his position that no actions are needed until more data is gathered.
When another Sandia employee pointed out the large number of models by researchers around the globe that suggest increases in world temperature, Lindzen said he doubted the models were independently derived but rather might produce common results because of their common origins.
The Climate Security lecture series is funded by Sandia’s Energy, Climate and Infrastructure Security division. Rob Leland is director of Sandia’s Climate Security Program.
Sandia National Laboratories is a multi-program laboratory operated by Sandia Corporation, a wholly owned subsidiary of Lockheed Martin company, for the U.S. Department of Energy’s National Nuclear Security Administration. With main facilities in Albuquerque, N.M., and Livermore, Calif., Sandia has major R&D responsibilities in national security, energy and environmental technologies and economic competitiveness.
h/t to Marc Marano
For some reason, this post just made me happy.
The tree rings lie? You cannot trust a Yamal? That is blasphemy. These trees are the original Ten Disciples of Mann, upon whose rings the Church of Warmanism is founded, and through them spreading the Gospel of Leftist-lib, enviro-wackpot anti-humanism. Through the power of the Spirit Gum of the Ten Yamal, there is no Medieval Warm Period and no Little Ice Age and all Twentieth Century Warming is vanquished before the time of the magic blade of the sacred `hockey stick’ that shall inexorably point toward Heaven’s Gate and the path to salvation for all believers on the dark side of Comet Hale-Bopp, after the global warming Armageddon.
“The reward for solving problems is that your funding gets cut. It’s not a good incentive structure.”
Nor does it make a contribution to national security or the intent of taxation.
“We’ve already seen almost the equivalent of a doubling of CO2 (in radiative forcing) and that has produced very little warming.”
What a _curious_ statement. CO2 is at 390 ppm, compared to 280 ppm pre-industrial values, a doubling would be 560 ppm. That hasn’t happened yet (http://tinyurl.com/bu2w5a7), so his claim is (IMO) utter nonsense.
Lindzen keeps making the same set of bad arguments over and over (http://tinyurl.com/bqymz6d), and they continue to be unsupportable.
Of course the climate models are flawed.
1. The assumption that the Earth radiates as a black body in a vacuum is bunkum. Any process engineer who see this says ‘How can these idiots be so stoopid?’.
2. The imaginary ‘back radiation’ used to claim (1) minus the imaginary 238.5 W/m^2 DOWN IR at TOA apparently gives a 5 fold increase of IR absorbed in the lower atmosphere. This is offset by exaggerated cloud albedo. The result is the imaginary positive feedback by an artificial increase of evaporation over the model’s sunlit oceanc.
3.There can be no CO2-AGW because CO2 self-absorbs by ~200 ppm. Through a subtle bit of physics this switches off that band’s emission at the Earth’s surface. The same goes for all other major GHGs. The GHE is because the IR and convection are inhibited so temperature rises to overcome the extra impedance. The GHE is a fixed level on a water planet.
4. The IPCC’s claim that denuded IR in bands at TOA proves GHG absorption is wrong.
I’ve always enjoyed reading or listening to people who express detailed understandings AND common sense like Richard Lindzen.
Dr Lindzen is indeed a “voice in the wilderness”. Go get ’em Doc. The truth MUST prevail.
Almost every sentence is structure to as if to say “Can you believe this guy? How dare he have a different opinion!”
Also:
“mainstream opinion that climate change could hurt national security”
Mainstream? Among who? I hate to sound like a libertarian or liberal nutjob, but those in the Defense Department etc. pushing this nonsense, long debunked theory are simply not credible and probably advance it to enhance their funding. Is this mainstream among people who have actually examined the issue, rather than among armchair generals at the Pentagon telling us what they feel could happen? No way!
The Doom & Gloomers Disastrous Prediction Record
What gets me about these Prophets of Doom is their never ending and obviously false predictions of disaster. And yes, ALL their flawed / faulty / idiotic computer models have failed. And ALL their doomsday pronouncements have not come true. These predictions are laughable in their absurdity. Yet these clowns continue doing the same thing, virtually the same threadbare predictions of unmitigated disaster, year after year, decade after decade. A seriously broken record.
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed — and hence clamorous to be led to safety — by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” -H. L. Mencken
“In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish.” -Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day 1970
“by the turn of the century [2000], an ecological catastrophe [will happen] which will witness devastation as complete, as irreversible as any nuclear holocaust.” — Mustafa Tolba (1982), former Executive Director of the United Nations Environment Program
“Entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000.” -Noel Brown (1989), ex UNEP Director
OT, but related. Joe D’Aleo’s post at IceCap on Perspective on the 2012 heat and drought is worth a post here, and a pdf. Surprise: Climatology, not CO2, explains the drought.
KR says: “What a _curious_ statement. CO2 is at 390 ppm, compared to 280 ppm pre-industrial values, a doubling would be 560 ppm. That hasn’t happened yet …. so his claim is (IMO) utter nonsense.”
KR, you are displaying colossal ignorance here. What part of the equivalent of don’t you understand? What part of almost?
According to:
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/aggi/
The combined greenhouse gas forcing since 1750 in 2010 was 2.81 W/m^2 which is the equivalent of about 76% of a doubling of CO2. It’s even higher, now, so yes, we’ve had most of the forcing that would come from a doubling of CO2 already.
“Climate Security Program” says it all for me. The absolute arrogance of any person or group who thinks they can do anything about a changing climate other than adapt or move is beyond belief. Hats off to Dr. Lindzen for going into what was an apparent lion’s den and giving his presentation. With luck, Michael Mann will carry out his threat to sue Mark Steyn and National Review and they both will fight. If the suit gets beyond the discovery process, the so-called consensus on AGW will certainly begin to crumble and Dr Lindzen and all the other “skeptics” will be vindicated.
It feels like bias when it’s supposed to be a revelation that these models are wrong. They couldn’t possibly be starting with a bias that they are right when they know that they are only models? That would not be an unintentional bias.
KR
It is a logrithmic scale you dolt. The first 50% results in ~80% of the change. Go back to your high school trig book unitl you learn enough to post. 400/280 =1.42, so we have seem most (more than 60%) of the proposed change from a doubling. I say proposed because observations do not support the 1.2C per doubling of CO2 concentration. Remember, if the outputs from the models don’t fit observations, go back and re-analyze and change “THE MODEL”!
Bill
KR read the statement again “in forcing” the forcing effect of CO2 is logarithmic not linnear – you knew that right?
Nick in vancouver says:
July 25, 2012 at 9:24 am
KR read the statement again “in forcing” the forcing effect of CO2 is logarithmic not linnear – you knew that right?
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Of course he knew it. He was hoping no one else did.
KR said:”“We’ve already seen almost the equivalent of a doubling of CO2 (in radiative forcing) and that has produced very little warming.”
What a _curious_ statement. CO2 is at 390 ppm, compared to 280 ppm pre-industrial values, a doubling would be 560 ppm. That hasn’t happened yet (http://tinyurl.com/bu2w5a7), so his claim is (IMO) utter nonsense.
Lindzen keeps making the same set of bad arguments over and over (http://tinyurl.com/bqymz6d), and they continue to be unsupportable.”
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That or you’re confused
Lindzen did not state what you think he did. he talked about the equivalent of doubling CO2 in *radiative forcing*, which includes things other than CO2, such as methane..
thisisnotgoodtogo: ‘He talked about the equivalent of doubling CO2 in *radiative forcing*, which includes things other than CO2, such as methane.’
GHGs like Methane below the self-absorption limit will behave as the IPCC imagines, until they get to self-absorption. Then the IR from the Earth’s surface in its IR bands will be switched off!.
In addition to the funding aspect, the Defense Department and the military branches in this country are now very politically oriented. That is, they will do and say what they believe the politicians want. The entire government is infested with careerists, all to the detriment of the public.
Lindzen’s approach is good…..each month, more research is
coming out and will show an over-inflated CO2-role…… patience,
a bit more time, in short, AGW will be over+out….
JS
What “climate change” do believers think they are seeing? I think that they see weather change and think it is climate change. The nighly national news routinely reports that odd weather is the result of “climate change” because doomsday sells lots of press. There is a strong echo-chamber feedback loop going on. Where is all this going? Time will tell.
God bless Lindzen, Moncton, and a host of enablers and disseminators like Watts et al. We just might have a chance to defeat this monster called The AGW Narrative. Never give up!
sparticusisfree said
” thisisnotgoodtogo: ‘He talked about the equivalent of doubling CO2 in *radiative forcing*, which includes things other than CO2, such as methane.’
GHGs like Methane below the self-absorption limit will behave as the IPCC imagines, until they get to self-absorption. Then the IR from the Earth’s surface in its IR bands will be switched off! ”
Point being made is that Lindzen was not saying CO2 had doubled
KR on July 25, 2012 at 8:46 am
“We’ve already seen almost the equivalent of a doubling of CO2 (in radiative forcing) and that has produced very little warming.”
What a _curious_ statement. CO2 is at 390 ppm, compared to 280 ppm pre-industrial values, a doubling would be 560 ppm. That hasn’t happened yet (http://tinyurl.com/bu2w5a7), so his claim is (IMO) utter nonsense.
I assume you’ve heard of parentheses: They’re those little roundy thingys that appear at the beginning and end of a statement within a sentencey thing. ‘The equivalent of a doubling of CO2 (in radiative forcing)’ means something a little bit different, eh?
“What a _curious_ statement. CO2 is at 390 ppm, compared to 280 ppm pre-industrial values, a doubling would be 560 ppm. That hasn’t happened yet (http://tinyurl.com/bu2w5a7), so his claim is (IMO) utter nonsense.”
To amplify Nick in vancouver, the theoretical impact of CO2 decays exponentially. Take a look at this post. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/08/the-logarithmic-effect-of-carbon-dioxide/
So Lindzen’s point is that the predicted impact of the realized 110 ppm increase of CO2 has not occurred.