Tisdale: An Unsent Memo to James Hansen

This may be the only entry ever made by Bob Tisdale that doesn’t contain a graph. I thank him for the unsolicited notice he gives to WUWT – Anthony

Date: May 11, 2012

Subject: New York Times Op-Ed Titled “Game Over for the Climate”

From: Bob Tisdale

To: James Hansen – NASA GISS

Dear James:

I just finished reading your opinion that appeared in yesterday’s New York Times. I enjoyed the title “Game Over for the Climate” so much that I’m considering changing the title of my book to something similar, like “Game Over for the Manmade Global Warming Scare.” Yes. That’s got a nice ring to it. Thanks for the idea. I’ll have so see how difficult it would be to change the title of the Kindle edition. Yet, while I enjoyed the title, the content of your opinion shows that you’re still hoping to appeal to those who are gullible enough to believe your claim that carbon dioxide is responsible for the recent bout of global warming. I hope you understand that many, many persons have weighed your opinions and found them wanting.

The internet has become the primary medium for discussions of anthropogenic global warming, as I’m sure you’re aware. You have your own blog. Your associate at the Goddard Institute for Space Studies Gavin Schmidt is one of the founders of the once-formidable blog RealClimate. What you may not be aware of is that one of the other contributors to RealClimate Rasmus Benestad in a recent post expressed his feelings that all of their work there might have been for naught [my boldface].

However, if the notion that information makes little impact is correct, one may wonder what the point would be in having a debate about climate change, and why certain organisations would put so much efforts into denial, as described in books such as Heat is on, Climate Cover-up, Republican war on science, Merchants of doubt, and The Hockeystick and Climate Wars. Why then, would there be such things as ‘the Heartland Institute’, ‘NIPCC’, climateaudit, WUWT, climatedepot, and FoS, if they had no effect? And indeed, the IPCC reports and the reports from the National Academy of Sciences? One could even ask whether the effort that we have put into RealClimate has been in vain.

I can understand Rasmus Benestad’s doubts when a website skeptical of manmade global warming,  WattsUpWithThat, has gained visitors since 2008 while RealClimate is floundering. The web information company Alexa shows that WattUpWithThat’s daily reach began to surpass RealClimate’s in May 2008. And for the last 6 months, Alexa could no longer rank RealClimatebecause its percentage dropped too low. On the other hand, the daily reach of WattsUpWthThat increased greatly and WattsUpWthThat has become the world’s most-viewed website on global warming and climate change.

Over the past 30 years or longer, James, you’ve created a global surface temperature record called the GISS Land-Ocean Temperature Index.   It shows global surface temperatures have warmed since 1880. While there are some problems with that dataset we need to discuss, it is something you can be proud of. But in those 3 decades, you’ve also developed and programmed climate models with the sole intent of showing that manmade greenhouse gases were responsible for that warming. Those models are included, along with dozens of others, in the archives used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) for their reports. Unfortunately, your efforts with climate models, and the efforts of the other modeling groups, have not been successful. Far from it. And since your opinions are based on the results of your climate models, one has to conclude that your opinions are as flawed as the models.

I’m one of the independent researchers who study the instrument-based surface temperature record and the output data of the climate models used by the IPCC to simulate those temperatures. Other researchers and I understand two simple and basic facts, which have been presented numerous times on blogs such as WattsUpWithThat. Keep in mind WattUpWithThat reaches a massive audience daily, so anyone who’s interested in global warming and climate change and who takes the time to read those posts also understands those two simple facts.

Fact one: the instrument-based global surface temperature record since 1901 and the IPCC’s climate model simulations of it do not confirm the hypothesis of anthropogenic global warming; they contradict it.

The climate models used in the IPCC’s (2007) 4th Assessment Report show surface temperatures should have warmed about 2.9 times faster during the late warming period (1976-2000) than they did during the early warming period (1917-1944). The IPCC acknowledges the existence of those two separate warming periods. The climate model simulations are being driven by climate forcings, including manmade carbon dioxide, which logically show a higher rate during the later warming period. Yet the observed, instrument-based warming rates for the two warming periods are basically the same.

If the supposition you peddle was sound, James, manmade carbon dioxide and other anthropogenic greenhouse gases should have warmed the surface of our planet at a much faster rate in recent decades, but they have not. In other words, there’s little evidence that the carbon dioxide you demonize in your op-ed has had any measurable effect on how fast global surface temperatures have warmed. We independent climate researchers have known this for years. It’s a topic that surfaces often, so often that it’s joked about around the blogosphere.

Some independent researchers have taken the time to present how poorly climate models simulate the rates at which global surface temperatures have warmed and cooled since the start of the 20th Century. We do this so that people without technical backgrounds can better understand that very fundament flaw with the hypothesis of anthropogenic global warming. I resurrected it again in a two-part post back in December 2011 (see here and here), both of which were cross posted at WattsUpWithThat. I’ve published numerous posts about this since December using different datasets: sea surface temperature, land surface temperature and the combination of the two. I’ve published so many posts that show how poorly the IPCC’s climate models simulate past surface temperatures that it’s not practical to link them all. The posts also include the new and improved climate models that were prepared for the IPCC’s upcoming 5thAssessment Report.  Sorry to say, they show no improvement.

Fact two: natural processes are responsible for most if not all if the warming over the past 30 years, a warming that you continue to cite as proof of the effects of greenhouse gases.

In your opinion piece, you mentioned the predictions you made in the journal Science back in 1981. Coincidentally, that’s the year when satellites began to measure the surface temperatures of the global oceans. Those satellites provide much better coverage for the measurement of global sea surface temperatures, from pole to pole. You use a satellite-based dataset as one of the sea surface temperature sources for your GISS Land-Ocean Temperature Index (LOTI) data. That NOAA sea surface temperature dataset is known as Reynolds OI.v2. It is the same dataset I have used to illustrate that natural processes, not greenhouse gases, are responsible for surface temperature warming of the global oceans since 1981. Since land surface temperatures are simply along for the ride, mimicking and exaggerating the changes in sea surface temperatures, the hypothesis you promote has a significant problem. Climate models are once again contradicted by observation-based data.

I’m one of very few independent global warming researchers who study sea surface temperature data and the processes associated with the natural mode of climate variability called El Niño-Southern Oscillation or ENSO. ENSO is a process that is misrepresented by many climate scientists when they use linear regression analysis in attempts to remove an ENSO signal from the global surface temperature record. Those misrepresentations ensure misleading results in some climate science papers.

ENSO is a natural process that you and your associates at GISS exclude in many of the climate model-based studies you publish, because, as you note, your “coarse-resolution ocean model is unable to simulate climate variations associated with El Niño-Southern Oscillation processes.” In fact, there are no climate models used by the IPCC that are capable of recreating the frequency, magnitude and duration of El Niño and La Niña events. And I know of no scientific studies that show any one climate model is capable of correctly simulating all of the fundamental coupled ocean-atmosphere processes associated with ENSO.

If climate models are not able to simulate ENSO, then they do not include a very basic process Mother Nature has devised to increase and slow the distribution of heat from the tropics to the poles. As a result, the climate models exclude the variations in the rates at which the tropical Pacific Ocean releases naturally created heat to the atmosphere and redistributes it within the oceans, and those climate models also exclude the varying rate at which ENSO is responsible through teleconnections for the warming in areas remote to the tropical Pacific.

Climate scientists have to stop treating ENSO as noise, James. The process of ENSO serves as a source of naturally created and stored thermal energy that is discharged, redistributed and recharged periodically. Because these three functions (discharge, redistribution and recharge) all fluctuate (see Note 1), impacts of ENSO on global climate vary on annual, multiyear and multidecadal timescales. Common sense dictates that global surface temperatures will warm over multidecadal periods when the frequency, magnitude and duration of El Niño events outweigh those of La Niña events, causing more heat than normal to be released from the tropical Pacific Ocean to the atmosphere and to be redistributed within the oceans. And the opposite will occur, global surface will cool, when La Niña events dominate ENSO over a multidecadal period. It is no coincidence that that is precisely what has happened since 1917.

Note 1: El Niño events (the discharge mode) are not always followed by La Niña events (the recharge mode). Both El Niño and La Niña events can appear in a series of similar phase events like the El Niño events of 2002/03, 2004/05 and 2006/07 and the La Niña events of 2010/11 and 2011/12. El Niño and La Niña events can also last for more than one year, spanning multiple ENSO seasons, like the 1986/87/88 El Niño and the 1998/99/00/01 La Niña. When a strong El Niño is followed by a La Niña like the El Niño events of 1986/87/88 and 1997/98 it is very obvious that two portions of ENSO are acting together and redistributing warm water that’s left over from the El Niño. The results of the combined effects are actually difficult to miss in the sea surface temperature records.

The satellite-era sea surface temperature data reveals that ENSO, not carbon dioxide, is responsible for the warming of global ocean surfaces for the past 30 years, as noted earlier. It illustrates the effects of La Niña events are not the opposite of El Niño events. In fact, the satellite-based sea surface temperature data indicates that, when major El Niño events are followed by La Niña events, they can and do act together to cause upward shifts in the sea surface temperature anomalies of the Atlantic, Indian and West Pacific Oceans. And since the Eastern Pacific Ocean has not warmed in 30 years, those ENSO-induced upward shifts in the Atlantic-Indian-West Pacific data are responsible for practically all of the global sea surface temperature warming for the last 3 decades.

I have been presenting and illustrating those ENSO-caused upward shifts for more than 3 years. I have plotted the data, discussed and animated the process of ENSO using numerous datasets: sea surface temperature, sea level, ocean currents, ocean heat content, depth-averaged temperature, warm water volume, sea level pressure, cloud amount, precipitation, the strength and direction of the trade winds, etc. And since cloud amount for the tropical Pacific impacts downward shortwave radiation (visible light) there, I’ve presented and discussed that relationship as well. The data associated with those variables all confirm how the processes of ENSO work for my readers. They also show and discuss how those upward shifts are caused by processes of ENSO. I’ve written so many posts on ENSO that it is impractical for me to link them here. A very good overview is provided in this post, or you may prefer to read the additional comments on the cross post at WattsUpWithThat.

James, you are more than welcome to use the search function at my website to research the process of ENSO. With all modesty, I have to say there’s a wealth of information there. I’ve assembled that same information in my book If the IPCC was Selling Manmade Global Warming as a Product, Would the FTC Stop their deceptive Ads? You might prefer the book since then you’d have a single source of more detailed discussions on the topics presented in this memo. It also illustrates and discusses how the climate models used by the IPCC in their 4th Assessment Report show no skill at being able to reproduce the global surface temperature record since 1901. Using those IPCC climate models in another group of comparisons, it shows that there are no similarities, none whatsoever, between how the sea surface temperatures of the individual ocean basins have actually warmed over the past 30 years and how the climate models show sea surface temperatures should have warmed if carbon dioxide was the cause. An overview of my book is provided in the above-linked post. Amazon also provides a Kindle preview that runs from the introduction through a good portion of Section 2. That’s about the first 15% of the book. Refer also to the introduction, table of contents, and closing in pdf form here. My book is written for those without technical backgrounds so someone like you with a deep understanding of climate science will easily be able to grasp what’s presented.

In closing, I was sort of surprised to see your May 10, 2012 opinion in the New York Times. I had discussed in the second part of my August 21, 2011 memo to you and Makiko Sato that ENSO, not carbon dioxide, is responsible for the recent 30-year rise in global sea surface temperatures. You must not have read that memo. Hopefully, you’ll read this one.

Sincerely,

Bob Tisdale

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Juice
May 13, 2012 6:24 pm

Myrrh,
Even if the ocean were 100% pure water, the bottom of the ocean would still be dark. Water is not 100% transparent to visible light. Check out the graph on this page:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/chemical/watabs.html
It shows a window of transparency around the visible range, but it doesn’t go to zero. Yes, absorption of visible light causes electronic transitions, but the energy has to go somewhere. If it isn’t emitted by fluorescence or phosphorescence (or isomerization or fragmentation), the energy is redistributed into vibrational modes (heat).
BTW, when it says there is no physical mechanism that produces transitions in that region, that’s not entirely true. Why doesn’t it go to zero in the spectrum there? Because they are “forbidden” transitions and “forbidden” are only nominally forbidden. They just happen much more rarely.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_mechanism
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/qmech/lectures/node124.html

May 13, 2012 6:38 pm

I see that Joel Shore is now up to two ‘ideologue’ comments in his latest post. In Joel’s mind that takes the place of science. I recommend Scientology as the perfect faith for Joel: part politics and part pseudo-science. Perfect fit.☺

Richard M
May 13, 2012 8:05 pm

joeldshore says:
May 13, 2012 at 6:10 pm
The point is that there is a very specific reason involving the type of mathematical problem it is as to why weather forecasts diverge from reality. And, the same does not apply to predicting the future climate in response to changes in forcings. It does not mean such predictions are easy or not without significant uncertainties, but the uncertainties are of a different and less severe type than you face in the weather case.

What a joke. The truth is we understand weather far better than climate. We get to see it operate every day. It doesn’t take 30-60 years for a small change to become apparent. When you can test ideas on a daily basis it really does help with understanding. The fact you appear to be oblivious to something so obvious certainly is very telling.
It’s very likely we don’t even know many of the factors affecting climate and yet you want us all to believe it’s easier. You really should consider a job as a stand-up comedian.

atarsinc
May 13, 2012 9:04 pm

Bob Tisdale, on May 13, 2012 at 2:56 pm, said; “…the stronger trade winds reduce cloud cover….” 
Are you suggesting that net global cloud cover is reduced by increased trade winds in the Tropical Pacific? If so, upon what research do you base that claim? Do El Nino events similarly  increase cloud cover?
You say, “AGW is NOT concerned about what charges the capacitor. If it was, climate models would be able to simulate ENSO, but they cannot.”
Why? ENSO is a regional oscillation. AGW is concerned with the radiative budget of the global system. AGW is not a hypothesis intended to describe ocean oscillations in the tropical Pacific. Because the linkage(s) between the two phenomena (if indeed there are any); may not, as of yet, be clear; that is no reason to assume that none exist. Nor is it a reason to throw out a Global Theory that has in no way been shown to be dependent on a regional mechanism.
Kudos for recognizing that, for ENSO to effect global mean temperature, there must be a concomitant radiative forcing mechanism; such as the reduction in low clouds that you suggested. If you have multiple lines of strong evidence for that process, and you can quantify it’s impact on Earth’s energy budget; you will be onto something important. Do you?   JP

atarsinc
May 13, 2012 9:12 pm

At 8:19 AM, Gail Combs said, “GOTTCHA”. 
I didn’t know we were playing “GOTTCHA”. See my reply to Bob a few minutes ago. At least he understands what we’re talking about.   JP

Gail Combs
May 13, 2012 9:20 pm

Hey, Joel I can predict the future climate too, and I do not even need a mega-buck computer. The general trend in temperature will be gradually down until there is a sudden switch to the next glaciation phase. http://earthweb.ess.washington.edu/roe/GerardWeb/Publications_files/Roe_Milankovitch_GRL06.pdf

Gail Combs
May 13, 2012 9:34 pm

atarsinc says:
May 13, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Bob Tisdale, on May 13, 2012 at 2:56 pm, said; “…the stronger trade winds reduce cloud cover….”
There is some data on clouds
Earthshine: http://www.bbso.njit.edu/Research/EarthShine/
Clouds Dominate CO2 as a Climate Driver Since 2000: http://www.drroyspencer.com/2010/01/clouds-dominate-co2-as-a-climate-driver-since-2000/
A Primer on Our Claim that Clouds Cause Temperature Change: http://www.drroyspencer.com/2011/09/a-primer-on-our-claim-that-clouds-cause-temperature-change/
Spencer’s posited 1-2% cloud cover variation found: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/04/spencers-posited-1-2-cloud-cover-variation-found/
Table of Contents for Category Clouds in Watts Up With That: http://home.comcast.net/~ewerme/wuwt/cat_clouds.html

Gail Combs
May 13, 2012 9:38 pm

joeldshore says:
May 13, 2012 at 5:31 pm
……Ah, yes, the journals have been corrupted? ……
_______________________________________

“We have even had papers rejected by peer reviewers who we KNOW didn’t read the paper. They objected to “claims” we never even made in our paper. This is the sad state of peer review when a scientific discipline is so politicized.” – Dr. Spencer http://www.drroyspencer.com/2011/09/a-primer-on-our-claim-that-clouds-cause-temperature-change/

Sorry Joel but I would take the word of a reputable scientist over yours.

atarsinc
May 13, 2012 11:40 pm

Gail, Spencer and Choi. That’s your multiple lines of strong evidence for a net Global reduction in low clouds due to ENSO? Call me skeptical. JP

May 13, 2012 11:56 pm

Bob said:
“the stronger trade winds reduce cloud cover, which allows more visible sunlight to warm the tropical Pacific to depth”
What causes the stronger Trade Winds ?
The Trade Winds are intimately connected to the entire global air circulation system.
I suggest that they become stronger when the subtropical high pressure cells intensify, expand and push poleward.
It is the intensifying subtropical high pressure cells expanding which results in dissipating clouds and greater sunlight into the oceans beneath them.
Those high pressure cells are regions of descending air which warms adiabatically as it descends. That adiabatic warming over larger regions is what dissipates the clouds and not the stronger Trade Winds in themselves although the process is accompanied by stronger Trade Winds.
The expansion and contraction of the subtropical high pressure cells is affected by the rate of uplift / descent (and surface extent) of air within the polar air masses and that appears to be affected by solar activity.
When the sun is active the air over the poles rises more rapidly or descends more slowly (in the troposphere) but contracts horizontally with the air circulation patterns shifting poleward and the equatorial air masses expanding. The increased uplift / decreased descent of air over the poles increases the intensity of the downward air flows in the subtropics to feed the expanding high pressure cells.
The opposite when the sun is less active.
Which why we see a more zonal global air circulation when the sun is active and a more meridional circulation when the sun is less active.
ENSO and all the other ocean cycles serve to erratically modulate the solar effect to some extent over distance and time by itself affecting the size of the equatorial air masses from below but over multidecadal timescales upward the solar effect becomes dominant.

Myrrh
May 14, 2012 12:14 am

Juice says:
May 13, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Myrrh,
Even if the ocean were 100% pure water, the bottom of the ocean would still be dark. Water is not 100% transparent to visible light. Check out the graph on this page:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/chemical/watabs.html
It shows a window of transparency around the visible range, but it doesn’t go to zero. Yes, absorption of visible light causes electronic transitions, but the energy has to go somewhere. If it isn’t emitted by fluorescence or phosphorescence (or isomerization or fragmentation), the energy is redistributed into vibrational modes (heat). etc.

Oh puleese.. You are claiming that the actual main and only energy direct from the Sun physically heating all land and ocean is shortwave! You are claiming that the actual real heat direct from the Sun has nothing to do with heating the Earth!
Shortwave can’t do this. Can’t.
Physically can’t.
It’s just, well, totally stupid.
In the real world.
The question still is: Why have you excluded the real heat direct from the Sun?
What is it with you, generic, that you can’t even get your heads around the fact that you’re using an energy budget which is missing the Sun’s direct thermal energy which does actually heat things up?

Editor
May 14, 2012 2:44 am

atarsinc says: “Are you suggesting that net global cloud cover is reduced by increased trade winds in the Tropical Pacific? If so, upon what research do you base that claim? Do El Nino events similarly increase cloud cover?”
Why are you asking questions about global cloud cover? My comment about tropical Pacific Ocean Heat Content pertained to your “capacitor” comment, not the globe. The “capacitor” is represented by the ocean heat content of the tropical Pacific. I was discussing the cloud cover of the tropical Pacific.
The paper you’re looking for is Pavlakis et al (2008) ENSO Surface Shortwave Radiation Forcing over the Tropical Pacific. There may be others as well.
http://www.atmos-chem-phys-discuss.net/8/6697/2008/acpd-8-6697-2008-print.pdf
A summary of it: El Niño events increase tropical Pacific cloud cover, but the tropical Pacific is releasing heat through evaporation at that time and causing the increase in cloud cover there. During the recharge mode, the La Niña phase, trade winds increase in strength and decrease cloud cover. The reduction in cloud cover allows more downward shortwave radiation to warm the tropical Pacific to depth, recharging the ocean heat content for the next El Niño. These are well-studied, well-know processes. ENSO basics. Climate models, upon which rests the AGW hypothesis, are not able to simulate the rates at which the tropical Pacific releases heat, redistributes it, recharges it and creates it in areas remote to the tropical Pacific. They, therefore, do not include a natural process that is capable of changing global surface temperatures over multidecadal periods.
atarsinc says: “Why? ENSO is a regional oscillation.”
ENSO is a mode of natural variability, the origin of which is the tropical Pacific. But keep in mind the tropical Pacific stretches almost halfway around the globe. ENSO impacts global surface temperature and precipitation and ocean heat content through teleconnections on annual and multidecadal timescales.
atarsinc says: “AGW is concerned with the radiative budget of the global system.”
If that was true, it would not be called anthropogenic global warming, with the operative word being warming. If your statement was correct, then your beloved AGW hypothesis would be called AGRB for Anthropogenic Global Radiative Budget. The AGW hypothesis simply assumes that radiative imbalance is responsible for the rise in global surface temperatures. Bad assumption.
atarsinc says: “AGW is not a hypothesis intended to describe ocean oscillations in the tropical Pacific.”
Do you realize that your comment is a rewording of a paragraph in my post but with a different connotation? Here’s my paragraph again:
If climate models are not able to simulate ENSO, then they do not include a very basic process Mother Nature has devised to increase and slow the distribution of heat from the tropics to the poles. As a result, the climate models exclude the variations in the rates at which the tropical Pacific Ocean releases naturally created heat to the atmosphere and redistributes it within the oceans, and those climate models also exclude the varying rate at which ENSO is responsible through teleconnections for the warming in areas remote to the tropical Pacific.
atarsinc says: “Because the linkage(s) between the two phenomena (if indeed there are any); may not, as of yet, be clear; that is no reason to assume that none exist.”
I’ve already presented to you data that confirms there is no apparent impact of anthropogenic greenhouse gases on the recharge and discharge of tropical Pacific Ocean Heat Content. And in the post, I linked illustrations that showed the obvious impacts of ENSO on global sea surface temperatures, which most persons would consider as evidence that ENSO is in fact responsible for most, if not all, of the warming for the past 30 years. The fact that you fail to acknowledge them is telling. Sounds to me like you’re arguing for the sake of arguing.
atarsinc says: “Nor is it a reason to throw out a Global Theory that has in no way been shown to be dependent on a regional mechanism.”
AGW is a hypothesis, not a theory. The lack of skill the climate models show at being able to simulate the global surface temperatures of the 20th Century and the sea surface temperatures of the past 30 years are more than enough to throw out the hypothesis of AGW.
atarsinc says: “Kudos for recognizing that, for ENSO to effect global mean temperature, there must be a concomitant radiative forcing mechanism; such as the reduction in low clouds that you suggested. If you have multiple lines of strong evidence for that process, and you can quantify it’s impact on Earth’s energy budget; you will be onto something important. Do you?”
As noted in the post, I have presented the processes of ENSO using numerous datasets: sea surface temperature, sea level, ocean currents, ocean heat content, depth-averaged temperature, warm water volume, sea level pressure, cloud amount, precipitation, the strength and direction of the trade winds, etc. And since cloud amount for the tropical Pacific impacts downward shortwave radiation (visible light) there, I’ve presented and discussed that relationship as well. The data associated with those variables all confirm how the processes of ENSO work for my readers.
And I have presented the impacts of ENSO on the metric most used to describe global warming, which is global surface temperature. There are also a few posts that show the impact of ENSO on Lower Troposphere Temperature. If and when there are other measured global datasets of value available through the KNMI Climate Explorer, I will add them to my presentations.
Atarsinc, we’ve been presenting and discussing this topic for three years. Your unwarranted complaints are nothing new. We’ve answered them. You may not like the answers, but the computer model-based assumption that the rise in global surface temperatures can only be caused by greenhouse gases is fatally flawed.
BTW, JP, is atarsinc a new name for you or is this your first time commenting here at WattsUpWithThat?

phlogiston
May 14, 2012 3:11 am

Jack says:
May 12, 2012 at 9:24 am
Does anyone remember the person who created the Piltdown man hoax?
It was geologist Charles Dawson together with Jesuit Priest Pierre Teilhard de Chardin wot dunnit.

Editor
May 14, 2012 4:01 am

Stephen Wilde says: “What causes the stronger Trade Winds ?”
The greater pressure difference between the east and west tropical Pacific and the greater temperature difference between east and west. There’s lots of research on this, Stephen. Lots. Try Google Scholar. You may want to include Bjerknes feedback in your searches.

May 14, 2012 4:41 am

Bob said:
” El Niño events increase tropical Pacific cloud cover, but the tropical Pacific is releasing heat through evaporation at that time and causing the increase in cloud cover there. During the recharge mode, the La Niña phase, trade winds increase in strength and decrease cloud cover. The reduction in cloud cover allows more downward shortwave radiation to warm the tropical Pacific to depth, recharging the ocean heat content for the next El Niño.”
I think that so far as the Trade Winds are concerned that is only half the story.
The strength of the Trade Winds is also influenced by the rest of the global air circulation to the polewardin both hemispheres, not just by the current state of ENSO.
So, envisaging a La Nina event which strengthens the Trade Winds and decreases regional cloud cover to allow the recharge process to begin, what if the rest of the air circulation is interacting with the equatorial regions to further strengthen those winds ?
Such as a period of quiet sun.
The quiet sun pushes the air circulation pattern equatorward compressing the areas affected by the Trade Winds thus strengthening those winds. In the process, the equatorial air masses contract in width so that despite the reduction in cloudiness in the tropical regions there is more cloudiness elsewhere around the globe due to more meridional jets.
Also, the reduced width allows less energy into the oceans which partially offsets the gain in recharge effectiveness from the decreased regional cloudiness.
So there we have a mechanism whereby a quiet sun could reduce the effectiveness of the recharge process as against a time when there is an active sun.
That would skew the ENSO energy balance towards stronger El Ninos when the sun is active (more effective recharge from wider equatorial air masses) and towards weaker El Ninos when the sun is less active (reduced recharge from narrower equatorial air masses).
Thus giving upward tropospheric temperature stepping on each successive positive phase of the Pacific Multidecadal Oscillation from LIA to date and likely downward stepping from MWP to LIA on each successive negative phase of the Pacific Multidecadal Oscillation in line with millennial solar cycling as observed.

Gail Combs
May 14, 2012 4:44 am

atarsinc says:
May 13, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Gail, Spencer and Choi. That’s your multiple lines of strong evidence for a net Global reduction in low clouds due to ENSO? Call me skeptical. JP
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Fine You can go do your own search. You can start by looking for the paper mentioned here…. I do not book mark every single article or paper I read.

Decreasing Earthshine Could Be Tied to Global Warming
Scientists who monitor Earth’s reflectance by measuring the moon’s “earthshine” have observed unexpectedly large climate fluctuations during the past two decades. By combining eight years of earthshine data with nearly twenty years of partially overlapping satellite cloud data, they have found a gradual decline in Earth’s reflectance that became sharper in the last part of the 1990s, perhaps associated with the accelerated global warming in recent years. Surprisingly, the declining reflectance reversed completely in the past three years. Such changes, which are not understood, seem to be a natural variability of Earth’s clouds.
The May 28, 2004, issue of the journal Science examines the phenomenon in an article, “Changes in Earth’s Reflectance Over the Past Two Decades,” written by Enric Palle, Philip R. Goode, Pilar Montaes Rodriguez, and Steven E. Koonin. Goode is distinguished professor of physics at the New Jersey Institute of Technology (NJIT), Palle and Monta=F1es Rodr=EDguez are postdoctoral associates at that institution, and Koonin is professor of theoretical physics at the California Institute of Technology. The observations were conducted at the Big Bear Solar Observatory (BBSO) in California, which NJIT has operated since 1997 with Goode as its director. The National Aeronautics Space Administration funded these observations……

However since your mind is already made up I expect you will, instead just try to convert people to your religion.

May 14, 2012 5:36 am

Bob said, in relation to the cause of the Trade Wind variations:
“The greater pressure difference between the east and west tropical Pacific and the greater temperature difference between east and west”
Not good enough. The pressure differences are not simply a result of sea surface temperatures. In fact the temperature differences could in part be a consequence of the pressure differences.
One has to consider the entire global air circulation system.
For more detail see my post at:
Stephen Wilde says:
May 14, 2012 at 4:41 am

May 14, 2012 5:46 am

I don’t want to sound critical
– most least of all towards Bob, who I think has done a very great job –
but I think you are all missing an important point.
I found that global warming was brought on by increased maxima
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/henrys-pool-table-on-global-warming
and I find that now that maxima are dropping we will experience some cooling.
http://letterdash.com/henryp/global-cooling-is-here
I also notice that global %RH is dropping, as reported by me and others.
That makes sense (to me): cooler air can hold less water vapor.
Although the water vapor dropping our of the atmosphere initially may give some heat, less water vapor in the atmosphere eventually will cause accelerated cooling.
So all the ideas of more cloud formation or more clouds and stuff causing “cooling”, I have to put aside at the moment. More cloudiness would put more %RH into the air and that is not happening, apparently.
My results are simply saying that the sun is giving off less warmth or some radiation is bending off a bit, for whatever reason. Personally I think the climate is more or less on this curve:
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/orssengo3.png
Study this curve carefully and you will see that after 1994 temps went down (negative/decline) as correctly predicted by me whereas the green line from the IPCC still wants us to believe that it goes the other way (positive/incline). If the Orssengo curve is correct we will drop a total of about 0.3 or 0.4 degrees C before things turn up again beyond 2030.
Forget about UAH,GISS,HADCRUT, etc. Clearly: maxima is the variable to look at if you want to get early warming or cooling signs.
However, I think I am the only one plotting them…….

Gail Combs
May 14, 2012 5:55 am

Stephen Wilde says:
May 13, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Bob said:
“the stronger trade winds reduce cloud cover, which allows more visible sunlight to warm the tropical Pacific to depth”
What causes the stronger Trade Winds ?
The Trade Winds are intimately connected to the entire global air circulation system.
I suggest that they become stronger when the subtropical high pressure cells intensify, expand and push poleward……
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Stephen, would that be connected to this from NASA and others? The first one sounds a bit like Willis’ Thermostat Hypothesis Paper & Further Evidence. SInce the following article even contains a computer model it should make atarsinc and Joel happy. (If it ain’t from a computer model it ain’t scientific data.)

…Ever notice how in many parts of the world, puffy, cauliflower-shaped cumulus clouds are more common in the summer? There’s a reason for this: thermal convection. In winter, the sun has less time to heat the surface and cause instability in the atmosphere. But during the summer, heat from the sun warms the land surfaces so much that pockets of hot air—scientists call them thermals—bubble upward much like steam in a pot of boiling water. As the hot air rises, the water vapor trapped within condenses into microscopic cloud droplets. If the air is humid enough, rapidly changing cumulus clouds puff up in the atmosphere, sometimes bulging to heights above 39,000 feet. Watch in the visualizations below—based on a climate model that simulated cloud formation during a Southern Hemisphere summer—how cumulus clouds pop up over the forests of Africa and South America….. NASA

April 1, 2009 NASA: Deep Solar Minimum
….”This is the quietest sun we’ve seen in almost a century,” agrees sunspot expert David Hathaway of the Marshall Space Flight Center….
A 50-year low in solar wind pressure: Measurements by the Ulysses spacecraft reveal a 20% drop in solar wind pressure since the mid-1990s…
A 12-year low in solar “irradiance”: Careful measurements by several NASA spacecraft show that the sun’s brightness has dropped by 0.02% at visible wavelengths and 6% at extreme UV wavelengths since the solar minimum of 1996. The changes so far are not enough to reverse the course of global warming, but there are some other significant side-effects: Earth’s upper atmosphere is heated less by the sun and it is therefore less “puffed up.” ….
Pesnell believes sunspot counts will pick up again soon, “possibly by the end of the year,” to be followed by a solar maximum of below-average intensity in 2012 or 2013.

HMMMMmmmm maybe Pesnell is correct and cycle 24 has peaked or is peaking and then we get a very long drawn out slide into the minimum as we did with cycle 23 only much longer.

NASA: A Puzzling Collapse of Earth’s Upper Atmosphere
…”This is the biggest contraction of the thermosphere in at least 43 years,” says John Emmert of the Naval Research Lab, lead author of a paper announcing the finding in the June 19th issue of the Geophysical Research Letters (GRL). “It’s a Space Age record.”
The collapse happened during the deep solar minimum of 2008-2009—a fact which comes as little surprise to researchers. The thermosphere always cools and contracts when solar activity is low. In this case, however, the magnitude of the collapse was two to three times greater than low solar activity could explain.
“Something is going on that we do not understand,”……

And speaking of not understanding something.

…. Back in the 17th century French astronomer Jean Picard made his mark by measuring the sun’s diameter. His observations were carried out during the Maunder minimum, and he obtained a result larger than modern measurements. Was this simply because of an error on Picard’s part, or could the sun genuinely have shrunk since then? “There has been a lot of animated discussion, and the problem is not yet solved,” says Gérard Thuillier of the Pierre and Marie Curie University in Paris, France…

Peer reviewed paper by Gérard Thuillier The PICARD mission
The New Scientist article goes on to say:

Lockwood’s latest study shows that when solar activity is low, the jet stream becomes liable to break up into giant meanders that block warm westerly winds from reaching Europe, allowing Arctic winds from Siberia to dominate Europe’s weather….

So Stephen, it looks like Lockwood agrees with you.

Steve Keohane
May 14, 2012 6:29 am

HenryP says: May 14, 2012 at 5:46 am
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I also notice that global %RH is dropping, as reported by me and others.
That makes sense (to me): cooler air can hold less water vapor.
Although the water vapor dropping our of the atmosphere initially may give some heat, less water vapor in the atmosphere eventually will cause accelerated cooling.
So all the ideas of more cloud formation or more clouds and stuff causing “cooling”, I have to put aside at the moment. More cloudiness would put more %RH into the air and that is not happening, apparently.

Henry, I have the inkling that there is a balance between temperature, RH%, and cloud formation. Couldn’t a cooler atmosphere both condense and precipitate more quickly? Clouds would stay lower in the atmosphere, slowing heat transport out to space?

Gail Combs
May 14, 2012 6:37 am

Myrrh says: May 14, 2012 at 12:14 am
….Shortwave can’t do this. Can’t…..
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Myrrh, that puzzled me a bit too since my physics courses were more than forty year ago, so I asked my physicist husband and did a bit of looking on the internet.
The concept you are missing is that “Conservation of Energy” does not rule out the Transformation of Energy. For example when we burn wood by combining oxygen with hydrocarbons we get H2O +C + CO + CO2 + CO3 … and Heat and Light. We transformed the energy in a chemical bond into Heat and Light energy.
Same thing happens with short wavelengths of light. A photon can get absorbed and “broken-up” with some of it transformed into heat. Note how the shorter and more energetic the wavelength the deeper it can penetrate. BTW link
The only thing that physics says is that the incoming energy has to equal the out going energy plus any energy left with the atom/molecule after a collision.
Here is an article on the issue.

About the Inherent Optical Properties of Water
As sunlight enters the ocean, it interacts with the particulates and the dissolved materials within the water. When light interacts with particulates, the direction of propagation of the light can be changed through the scattering process, and part of the light may be absorbed by the particles and changed into other forms or wavelengths of energy. Similarly, dissolved materials may absorb light energy and convert it into other forms of energy.
When light is absorbed at one wavelength, and part of it is re-radiated in another, the process is called fluorescence. All these processes change the intensity of the light as a function of direction, the light field. Since these processes are a function of the wavelength of light, scattering and absorption change the spectrum of the light field. We thus see that particulates and dissolved materials have spectral scattering and absorption characteristics that change the spectral light field….

Hope that helps.

May 14, 2012 6:41 am

Thanks Gail.
I think I have successfully integrated a wide range of phenomena into a plausible scenario, Including ENSO and all the other ocean cycles the subject of this thread.
ENSO primarily governs tropospheric temperatures up to a decadal timescale but going multidecadal and centennial ENSO simply modulates the solar influence.

Gail Combs
May 14, 2012 7:13 am

Steve Keohane says:
May 14, 2012 at 6:29 am
HenryP says: May 14, 2012 at 5:46 am
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Henry, I have the inkling that there is a balance between temperature, RH%, and cloud formation. Couldn’t a cooler atmosphere both condense and precipitate more quickly? Clouds would stay lower in the atmosphere, slowing heat transport out to space?
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Steve, Henry, you might want to check out Willis Eschenbach’s paper:
The thunderstorm thermostat hypothesis: How clouds and thunderstorms control the Earth’s temperature.
published in E&E: http://multi-science.metapress.com/content/nm45w65nvnj3/?p=593f3e397da34c23b3806982df0b915e&pi=0
At WUWT
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/14/the-thermostat-hypothesis/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/07/24/willis-publishes-his-thermostat-hypothesis-paper/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/07/further-evidence-for-my-thunderstorm-thermostat-hypothesis/

Gail Combs
May 14, 2012 7:23 am

Stephen Wilde says:
May 14, 2012 at 6:41 am
Thanks Gail.
I think I have successfully integrated a wide range of phenomena into a plausible scenario…
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No problem. I think you and Bob and Willis and Dr. Spencer … are doing a great job of coming up with ideas and information backing them and then tossing your babies to the wolves to be torn to shreds. A fascinating study into how science works with “Crowd Sourced Peer review”

RACookPE1978
Editor
May 14, 2012 7:37 am

Well, from truly earth-wide (UAH satellite) month-to-month data, we see that worldwide temperatures actually do randomly and irregularly vary more than +0.2 deg to -0.2 degrees around [what everybody assumes] is a steady mean temperature. That is, knowing March’s worldwide average temperature to 0.01 degree, means that you can guarantee everybody what April’s worldwide average mean temperature will be …. within 0.2 degrees. Unless it changes by more than 0.4 degrees that particular month. 8<)
Or more accurately, there is a random variation of more than 0.2 degrees about what is apparently a mean earth temperature that itself cycles at either a 60 year 0.3 degree cycle on top of a longer 800-900 year [?????] peak-to-peak cycle with a 1.5 – 2.5 degree [?????]. Maybe.
Is it not a very, very telling sign of the corruption of the world’s temperature record and the dominance of today’s CAGW propaganda about CO2 that I cannot immediately and specifically tell you exactly WHEN the LIA and MWP and Roman Warm Period occurred, but that I cannot immediately tell you what their peak values were and how those peak temperatures are different from today’s Modern Warm Period? Have they been so thoroughly removed from the record, expunged from the climate textbooks and papers by Mann-made global warming that they do not exist in anything but the abstract?
So. Are we not looking for uniform cycles of uniform amounts in a real-world where actual temperature records vary monthly by more than the cycles’ peak-to-peak values?
How has the observed monthly variation in temperatures affected worldwide assumptions for ANY (and every ?) “proxy” used in re-creating the long-term temperature record, drought record, ice record, glacier extents record, CO2-glacier record?