McIntyre's rebuttal of Michael Mann's pants-on-fire book

Steve McIntyre is back blogging and writes (links mine):

I had also spent some time considering a response to Mann’s book. It amazes me that a reputable scientific community would take this sort of diatribe seriously. Mann’s world is populated by demons and bogey-men. People like Anthony Watts, Jeff Id, Lucia, Andrew Montford and myself are believed to be instruments of a massive fossil fuel disinformation campaign and our readers are said to be “ground troops” of disinformation. The book is an extended ad hominem attack, culminating in salivation in the trumped up plagiarism campaign against Wegman, arising out of copying of trivial “boilerplate” by students (not Wegman himself). Wegman’s name appears nearly 200 times in the book (more, I think, than anyone else’s).

Virtually nothing in its discussion of our criticism can be taken at face value. Mann begins his account by re-cycling his original outright lie that we had asked him for an “excel spreadsheet”. Mann’s lies on this point had been a controversy back in November 2003. The incident was revived by the Penn State Investigation Committee, which had (anomalously on this point) asked Mann about an actual incident. Instead of “forgetting”, as any prudent person would have done, Mann brazenly repeated his earlier lie to the Penn State Investigation Committee. Needless to say, the “Investigation” Committee didn’t actually investigate the lie by crosschecking evidence, but accepted Mann’s testimony as ending the matter. In the book, instead of leaving well enough alone, Mann once again re-iterated the lie.

Steve’s full essay is here.

One only has to read Mann’s latest whine over at Climate Progress to know that Steve McIntyre is spot on.

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Interstellar Bill

Nature’s review of Mann’s book is as sickening as the latest fawning post on ‘Skeptical Science’
Their total misperception of reality would be comical if it wasn’t so prevalent in Big Govt.

rk

Steve’s last sentence ‘I’m starting to feel a little better now that spring is coming. I’ll start posting again in a couple of weeks, but doubt that I’ll ever post as much as I have in the past.’ is sad…but really, inevitable. Where would we be if Steve and Barton hadn’t both stood up and said we need to examine this stuff.
I’m sure the left/catastrophist are cheered by the thought, but fortunately we have a stable of people, including this site, who will carry on…so don’t cheer too loudly Dr. Mann et al. Remember, you lost Lovelock today

Reblogged this on Climate Ponderings.

Elftone

I would have at least some respect for Dr. Mann if he didn’t whine so much. I mean, really… does he think that after so many “guest posts” and letters to the editor [of whichever publication published something that might have called his work into question – please fill in the blanks] that he would be taken as anything other than a pre-pubescent teenager having a hissy fit?
Good grief, doctor, grow a set, and stop taking legitimate criticism so personally. And, if you’re going go on the offensive, use facts rather than mewling. You’re up against some of the sharpest minds around. Ones who remember stuff, and can string together coherent sentences. Ones who really aren’t bothered if you call them bad names. Good grief.

Jack

Mann’s audience is growing smaller. Lovelock’s admission he extrapolated too far and therefore too alarmingly also sinks the warmist’s alrms. All they are good for now is scaring politicians. However, politicians want the power and the tax, so continual feeding of the CAGW frenzy is a symbiotic relationship.
It will take massive votes denying the acquiescent politicians power and revenues to stop this self perpetuating cycle. Obama, who stood to gain millions from the CCX, must be voted out decisively. Gillard in Australia must be sent to electoral oblivion along with her party and the greens.
I guess Britain is still deep in the maw of political correctness, so it will take some doing to oust the greens from all sides of parliament. However the signs are there with voters protesting the cost of electricity and the flagrant anti environment of building wind farms.
Don’t think Spain will ever take the road to green ruin again. What the dropkick greens cannot imagine , is that when you have ruined business, then the tax revenue drops. Too simple for them to comprehend.

A. Scott

Worse than a shrill small child … ‘those mean boys are picking on me…’
Remember in “Manns World” … “skeptic” = OK … but we are all “denier’s” and are the scourge of the Earth in the Gospel According to Mann ….

David Ball

Wegman is being dragged through the mud because he was spot on. Most importantly on the incestuous pal-review.

Brian H

Mann once again exposes himself as a mental and moral midget. McIntyre the opposite.

Lew Skannen

Having read a bit of Manns little hissyfit all I can say is that the burning stick figure in the yellow picture above looks positively calm and composed by comparison.

Darren Potter

“Nature’s review of Mann’s book is as sickening as the latest fawning post on ‘Skeptical Science’”
True enough, but “Mother Nature” in review, just took a dump on Mann’s latest alarmism. 😉
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/24/uk-usa-weather-northeast-idUSLNE83M00N20120424
Gore effect?

Bill Tuttle

…and our readers are said to be “ground troops” of disinformation.
That implies that we’re in lock-step with everything. The only military organization I can think of that would be analogous to the multidisciplinary skills and knowledge WUWT readers bring to the fight is a Special Ops regiment.

Dr Burns

” Mann’s lies on this”; ” his earlier lie”; ” investigate the lie”; “re-iterated the lie.”
Steve is obviously not worried about a libel suit against him.
“Libel is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, a negative image. “

JEM

I suppose I should see if I can borrow a copy of Mann’s book somewhere.
If I’m going to have to step in to his reality-distortion field, I’d prefer to do so in a way that funds its continued existence as little as possible.

Rhoda R

Truth is the best defense against chages of libel – I doubt that Dr. Mann would submit himself to the discovery process that bringing suit against Steve would expose him to.

From one of Romm’s followers who comments in response to Mann’s whine at Climate Progress:
” PBS News Hour is also reporting on anthropogenic climate change and interviewing Richard Alley, Penn State geoscientist, about the two-part documentary, “Earth: The Operators’ Manual,” which PBS will air this week”
With a link to the PBS Interview:
Geoscientist Bungee Jumps to Imitate Shifting Climate
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2012/04/documentary-series-leaps-into-sustainability.html
Richard Alley has taken an extreme leap — off a really high bridge — to demonstrate how drastically the Earth’s climate is shifting.
In two installments of the PBS series “Earth: The Operators’ Manual,”Alley, the film’s host and a Penn State University geoscientist, bungee jumps from a platform in Queenstown, New Zealand, while visiting communities around the world that are finding new ways to harness renewable energy resources and reduce their carbon footprint.

Darren Potter

Dr Burns: “Libel is the communication of a statement … that may give an individual, a negative image.“
Given that definition, Libel would not be applicable, since a prerequisite would be a non-negative image.

geologyjim

Glad to read Steve McIntyre back blogging again. I’d begun to wonder “What’s up with that?”
I hope he will continue. He really is one of the “Fifty People Who Matter”
Michael Mann is such a pathetic, sniveling little twit and a complete embarassment to establishment “Climate Science”. He has never directly answered a question about his research, nor has he responded to rational criticism with facts, logic, or independent corroboration. He’s a prissy bully and an intellectual lightweight.
One day, history will record the shriveling departure of this deceptive stick-maker whose main contribution to science will be as the prime example of its corruption for political purposes.
Good riddance.

Alex Heyworth

Mann? Is that Quinn E. Mann? The dummy?

Just visited Climate Progress and glanced at Mann’s piece…heard the lonesome whining of the wind and saw tumbleweeds blowing through the ‘ghost town’ that is their comments section.
Must be a bad feeling for the Warmists…the way it is ending. Not with a bang…but a whimper.

Thanks for deleting my string of faux pas…some days I just don’t get it! 🙂

Dr Burns,
I suspect the reason Steve is so relaxed about his statements or to be precise his ‘accusations’ is that an actual court of law (with powers to call witnesses and subpoena evidence)is the very last place on earth Michael Mann wants to find himself. Maybe Steve is taunting him with this very outcome in mind, let’s not forget that famous case, where it was Oscar Wilde who initiated the legal proceedings that led to his own downfall.

crosspatch

Well, its a good thing nobody pays much attention to the discredited Dr. Mann these days anyway.
Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #11,077 in Books
I think the above tells all we need to know about his influence on the public.

Gail Combs

Just think, Mann and Phil Jones represents the types of University Professors teaching our children….

Phil Clarke

McIntye is still whining about the format of a file sent a decade ago? And the inconsequential Tiljander kerfuffle? Is that it? Hardly the stuff of scandal. Or indeed ‘rebuttal’.
Meanwhile, back in the reality-based community, the EGU have awarded Professor Mann the well-deserved Oeschger medal and later this year he is to be made a Fellow of the AGU.
Compare and Contrast.

@ Phi Clarke,
I can’t tell if you are being sarcastic, or are you under the impression that the awarding of medals by the EU and AGU has any basis other than pure politics?

RichieP

Phil Clarke says:
April 24, 2012 at 12:17 am
‘Compare and Contrast.’
McIntyre: Honesty and integrity
Mann: Manipulation and self-interest.
How’s that Phil?

Brian

As a reader of thinkprogress who does end up arguing with some of the excessive liberals I must say that I’ve mostly avoided the climateprogress section because there are some real loons there. Some of those folks are crazy.

Brian,
If by “some of those folks” you mean “most all of those folks”, I agree. They are truly nuts.

Mark Hladik

To JEM:
You could try an Inter Library Loan (ILL) if you have access to a local public or college-level library that participates. Often, there is no charge, and if there is one, it is used by your local facility to cover the costs of shipping the book to-and-fro.
That keeps any profit out of Mikey’s grubby-little hands, and accomplishes your goal.
Hope that helps,
Mark H.

@Phil Clarke
Why is McIntyre mentioning this episode at all? It isn’t apropos of nothing, it’s apropos of Mann’s extensive whining on that specific point in his own book. Who’s obsessed again?

Peter in MD

From a part of Mann’s response on CP: (emphasis mine)
“Using what we call proxy data – information gathered from records in nature, like tree rings, corals, and ice cores – my co-authors and I pieced together the puzzle of climate variability over the past 1,000 years.”
I think that says it all. take a little from here, take some from there and make it all fit together nicely to show the fantasy of CAGW.
And get this comment:
“2.prokaryotes says:
April 23, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Also relevant
Climate deniers should be TRACKED and made to pay ‘when the famine comes’, says inflammatory climate columnist http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2133771/Columnist-says-global-warming-skeptics-houses-burnt-down.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
The Daily Mail seriously has a hard time keeping a balanced coverage. However, the paid deniers really play a risky game, when putting us literally all in harms way.”
These people are really wacked, the paid deniers are putting us in harms way? Alarmists want to track us down.
First and last article I’ll read on CP, the only thing boiling is my blood!

Icarus62

Michael Mann says:

“As a climate scientist, I have seen my integrity perniciously attacked, politicians have demanded I be fired from my job, and I’ve been subject to congressional and criminal investigations. I’ve even had death threats made against me. And why? Because I study climate science and some people don’t like what my colleagues and I have discovered.”

Enough said, I think.

anna v

Phil Clarke says:
April 24, 2012 at 12:17 am
Meanwhile, back in the reality-based community, the EGU have awarded Professor Mann the well-deserved Oeschger medal and later this year he is to be made a Fellow of the AGU.
Well there exist metaphysical theories that say “you create your own reality” . In my reality the prestige of EGU and AGU bottomed. People who give prizes and distinctions to Mann show their ignorance of the scientific method and of physics and statistics in particular. If the G is for Geological, I hope the young ones dethrone the pals who distribute favours to pals.

Tom in Florida

Last line in the 10th paragraph in Mann’s ” whine over at Climate Progress”:
” Those gases are acting like a heat-trapping blanket around the planet.”
How can a supposed climate scientist still make this silly analogy.

izen

Compare and contrast Mann with McKintyre….
Well whatever the local dislike of Mann the reality is he is a leading scientists with over 50 peer reviewed scientific papers to his name, wide acclaim in the field and highly cited.
Whatever the local support for McKintyre he has … One paper to his name, highly cited, but mainly to dispute its findings. He is not regarded as a scientist in the field, just a mathematician who made some criticisms of a new methodology of climate reconstruction. It is notable that he has never contributed, or participated in any constructive research, his contribution has not been to expand the horizons of human knowledge…
In reference to Wegman, it was the publishers who retracted his paper, mainly for the Wiki plagiarism, the block (mis)quotes from Bradley and the inadequacy of the social network analysis.
What is often forgotten is that while Wegman repeated the criticism that McKintyre had made of the PCA method (with some of the same mistakes) he did acknowledge that the statistical methodology makes no difference to the validity of the paleoclimate reconstruction. All other reconstructions since (there have been many) confirm the original MBH98 work, I don’t think any have returned results outside the error range found in the original Mann reconstruction.

Eric Dailey

This sample of Mann’s book reminds me of what one expects to find from the Marxist world view when confronting intellectual opponents.

Jimbo

Mann has been called a liar by McIntyre. I recall the Mann said he is ready to take people to court. I await Mann’s response to being called a liar.
As for:

People like Anthony Watts, Jeff Id, Lucia, Andrew Montford and myself are believed to be instruments of a massive fossil fuel disinformation campaign and our readers are said to be “ground troops” of disinformation.

Has Michael Mann ever come over to WUWT? If he has he will notice a couple of ‘red flags’.
*Google Ads
*Shameless Plug Donations accepted: fling funds
*Wordpress
*Donate to help keep the http://www.surfacestations.org project going
*WUWT Stuff
and other revenue generating items
Does this sound like a fossil fuel, well funded climate denialist machine? You can have a PHD but it doesn’t stop you deluding yourself. 🙂 As for ‘disinformation’ all I read is about actual observations and a sceptical look at Warmists claims. I thought that’s how science kinda worked. Silly me.

Bill Marsh

“our readers are said to be “ground troops” of disinformation”
Well, I was an Marine Infantry Officer when I was a younger man. I think that qualifies me to be a ‘ground troop’, doesn’t it?

Phil Clarke

“Why is McIntyre mentioning this episode at all? It isn’t apropos of nothing, it’s apropos of Mann’s extensive whining on that specific point in his own book. Who’s obsessed again?”
Hardly. It is a single footnote on page 263 (Kindle edition). It is not even a good whine – Mann said the data was supplied in ‘a spreadsheet version’, in fact it was a csv file. Click on a csv file on most PCs and it will open in Excel. This does not even rise to the level of a nitpick. I ask again – is that it?

Steve Keohane

Icarus62 says: April 24, 2012 at 4:00 am
Michael Mann says:
“As a climate scientist, I have seen my integrity perniciously attacked, politicians have demanded I be fired from my job, and I’ve been subject to congressional and criminal investigations. I’ve even had death threats made against me. And why? Because I study climate science and some people don’t like what my colleagues and I have discovered.”
Enough said, I think.

To a thinking person, he has no integrity, there is none be attacked, and he should be fired. The man is delusional about the tide of a funded conspiracy against him.
Thank you, Steve McIntyre and Anthony for all you have done to expose this charlatin.

lowercasefred

@Phil Clarke
You left out that Yassir Arafat and Barack Obama have Nobel Peace Prizes and all the children in Lake Woebegone are above average.
/How’s the weather in your echo chamber?

DaveS

Mann’s book is a must-buy for psychology students, at least. What a case-study.

DR

izen said

All other reconstructions since (there have been many) confirm the original MBH98 work, I don’t think any have returned results outside the error range found in the original Mann reconstruction.

What have you been smoking?”

Jimbo says:
April 24, 2012 at 4:30 am
> Mann has been called a liar by McIntyre. I recall the Mann said he is ready to take people to court. I await Mann’s response to being called a liar.
I doubt that’s going to happen. He may have expected Tim Ball to roll over and pay the fine, but with financial support from the skeptic community, Mann is discovering he may have to turn over important Email during discovery.
He won’t sue McIntyre – discovery should destroy Mann’s claims.
It would be entertaining, though!

MartinR

Phil Clarke says:
April 24, 2012 at 12:17 am
“Meanwhile, back in the reality-based community, the EGU have awarded Professor Mann the well-deserved Oeschger medal and later this year he is to be made a Fellow of the AGU.
Compare and Contrast.”
No doubt he will be selected as the new Chairman for the Task Force on Scientific Ethics.
Bernie Madoff at one time was the Chairman of the Board of Directors of NASD.
Compare.

Mike Lewis

Michael Mann is not a scientist because he fails to follow the scientific method. He doesn’t analyze data and draw a conclusion, he adjusts the data to fit his hypothesis. Likewise the other alarmists who are trying to drag this world back into the dark ages.

SPreserv

Image: Mann is holding a flaming hockey stick, the stick is burning from both ends.
Dilemma, Mann is thinking: -“Should I let go of the stick or keep holding it?”

Steve from Rockwood

Bill Tuttle says:
April 23, 2012 at 9:36 pm
…and our readers are said to be “ground troops” of disinformation.
That implies that we’re in lock-step with everything. The only military organization I can think of that would be analogous to the multidisciplinary skills and knowledge WUWT readers bring to the fight is a Special Ops regiment.
————————————–
I’ll second that. Whoops…

Fred

Mann is to science what Steve’s home town Leafs are to hockey.

izen

@- DR
Do you have an example of a paleoclimate reconstruction that gives results outside the error bars of the MBH original work, or are you just sneering at the claim that none have without justification?