Fundamental questions on Isostasy and Mean Sea-Level

Guest post by Andi Cockroft

Firstly, let me declare that I am not a current student of Geology or Geophysics. I studied Mathematics, Computer Science and Geology at University way back in the 60’s and I have focused my entire working life in IT. To this day, I still run a small IT company in New Zealand.

I follow the workings of the climate models with interest, since much of my University life was spent on Numerical Analysis and Stochastical Processing – the pre-cursors to today’s modelling. Although back then, Computer power was measured in kilo-flops, and the first mainframe I worked on was 20K. A 1Mb mainframe was but a pipe-dream – our biggest was 128K.

On the other hand, my groundings in Geology were at a time when my Professor was still agnostic about plate tectonics (although my tutor was an avid proponent thankfully). It was a time when magnetic striping of the mid-Atlantic was known but not totally understood. It was also a time when isostacy (although an old theory) was finding new support.

So, I offer this post not as any particular expert in the field, but rather to stimulate discussion from those far more familiarity with the concepts than I – please feel free to correct my impressions and limited understanding of the various topics

All I am proposing here are some of the fundamental questions that bother me regarding Isostacy, melting or re-freezing ice-caps and the effect on global mean sea-level (GMSL).

Firstly, just what is GMSL? I don’t believe it can ever be measured against one specific location on the globe – for just about everywhere on this planet is in motion to some degree or other – north/south, east-west, up/down – although our impression is of a stable terra-firma, geologically speaking it isn’t – it is more like the skin of a rice-pudding floating on the more fluid layers below.

If you ever played with your rice-pudding as a child, let the skin form and then pressed on it with your spoon? Press on one place and the skin will rise in another. So the Earth responds to increasing or decreasing pressures (or mass) on its crust.

The earth’s crust (or lithosphere) “floats” on the more fluid asthenosphere. The thickness and relative buoyancy of that part of the lithosphere will determine just how high or low it will “float”. When the buoyancy is in balance, it is said to be in isostatic equilibrium. There are many places that still today are not in isostatic equilibrium.

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In terms of mountain building, where for instance the Indian plate is hurtling northwards into the Eurasian plate giving rise to the Himalaya Mountains – the gravity measurements tell us that just like an iceberg, there is just as much if not more “Everest” below the crust as there is above it – the buoyancy of that extra material below is needed to support the weight of the Mountain Range above.

Imagine ice floating in a bath – add more weight on top and the ice will sink such that the Archimedes principle of displacement is yet again in equilibrium. Indeed, add too much weight and the whole iceberg will sink regardless – but that’s a diversion (think 2Km thick glacier!)

So back to the question – what is GMSL? To my way of understanding, it can only be measured against a theoretical spot, and must in this age of satellite and gps be measured relative to a reference datum and/or the calculated centre of the earth. Since the earth is not a true sphere – it is I believe referred to as an “oblate spheroid” – the averaging out of these measurements must be translated back into local datum to be able to measure against tide-gauges etc.

Then again, I have always maintained that Sea-Level is a local phenomenon – for many reasons.

Tides, temperature, winds, air-pressure as well as such phenomena such as ENSO etc

But given that statements implying GMSL was 300’ lower than today during the last ice-age, I ask the question – “but what was the real or relative sea-level back then in say New York State?” – in places under Kilometres of ice apparently. Certainly what is now the Great Lakes was inundated by huge ice flows.

That sheer weight of ice would have had the effect of pushing the underlying land-mass downward, to some extent counteracting the drop in GMSL – in fact (just in my imagination) – I believe that these areas would have been significantly below GMSL even with its 300’ decline.

Sorry I do not have the knowledge to do the calculation, but I hope here that group-science can answer the question.

There have been statements that New York was about 150 – 200 Kilometres inland during the last Ice Age 20,000 years ago – but would it have been? Wouldn’t Isostacy have taken the land-mass down with it?

One of the problems faced by modern day measurements of GMSL, is that Isostacy is still at work.

Remove the massive ice-flows from ice-age North America, and the continental land mass does not rebound instantly – it rebounds (uplifts) slowly – it is still rebounding today. As things equal themselves out over Geologic time, the land masses continue to rise, and as a counter, the ocean basins are actually falling. In other words, the oceans themselves gain a greater capacity to store water.

This expansion needs some accounting for, and this Global Isostacy Adjustment (GIA) is estimated at about the equivalent of 0.3 mm per year in GMSL, this at least partially offsets the predicted 3mm per year expansion of the oceans due to warming (that seems to have paused just now). Indeed, if thermal expansion of the oceans has paused, GIA will continue unabated and actually serve to lower observed GMSL.

All of this is a very roundabout way of me arguing that Sea Level is a local phenomenon, and calculating a GMSL whilst academically interesting serves no actual use. Certainly not in terms of Government and Policy decision-making.

imageIn England, long before Liverpool was ever heard of, the River Dee provided the main shipping for the North West. First Chester (used by the Romans), then further out to Burton and Neston and ultimately Parkgate were the main points of embarkation for Ireland. Visit Parkgate today, and the sea is many hundreds of metres away with a huge salt marsh in between.

In New Zealand, where I have lived this past quarter-century, there are many places where erosion is eating into the coast and houses are inexorably marching towards oblivion. In others, accretion of up to 1 metre per year is extending the land-mass ever seaward.

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Yet Local Government in these areas is focused almost entirely on projected changes to GMSL rather than what is physically happening.

The local authority here is planning on Climate Change bringing inundation despite all the evidence that the sea is retreating !!!

imageHowever, I digress. Looking further at Geologic Changes, and back to Isostacy for a moment, where two tectonic plates collide, one usually will ride over whilst the other suffers subduction. This is where we will find seismically active areas (sadly Christchurch here and many more such as Japan, China etc). We will also likely find mountain-building – as mentioned earlier, the Indian plate is still moving northward (150mm or 6” pa), and the Himalayas are still rising (5mm or 0.2” pa) – in geological terms still very active.

At the same time, the subduction zone may well create significant volcanic activity – New Zealand has its fair share.

But just about anywhere plates collide will see some degree of uplift. Again using New Zealand as an example, the main mountain range in the South Island is the Southern Alps. Current measurements show an uplift rate of about 7mm per year.

How this translates into vertical movement at either east or west coast I have been unable to determine, but it has to be happening, and ongoing.

In Wellington, the biggest recorded earthquake was a magnitude 8.2 in 1855. This uplifted the east of the City between 2 and 3 metres. Today’s airport is built on this uplifted land, and the current business district sits on reclaimed marshland exposed at that time.

Wandering along Wellington’s Lambton Quay (where boats used to dock), reveals brass plaques set into the pavement showing the shoreline in 1840 – the current Quay is about 300 metres away.

Given the magnitude of that earthquake, I suspect Wellington’s rate of uplift over larger time-intervals will be outpacing GMSL, but I could be wrong. By thesis, Cole (2010) identifies a shift in vertical position around 1944 – this following two large earthquakes in the preceding years.

There is nothing to suggest that Wellington’s upward thrust (to the east of the Wellington Fault) has ceased, so the next “big one” will likely see further uplift and hence a relative drop in Sea Level.

Local effects of Plate collisions, Isostacy rebound (eg Great lakes) etc., all serve to modify the impact of GMSL .

If we are to believe recent reports, some of the small Island Nations such as the Maldives may in fact be growing rather than being swamped under an ever-rising tide. Explain that one – I understand coral growth may be at work here but I’ve not seen anything truly convincing yet.

In other places, we are seeing true inundation but usually accompanied by more rational explanation such as pumping ground water.

So is the observed increase in GMSL of 3mm pa actually causing any significantly observable effects?

I remember the Thames Barrier being built to protect London from inundation, but that was to protect against a storm surge – where a massive low pressure system in the North Sea causes a correspondingly massive increase in local Sea Level. This is of the order of metres, not 300mm per century.

And one final question. As Cole (2010) discovered, atmospheric pressure has been falling over time.

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Ill-equipped as I am to perform the calculations, is this drop in barometric pressure yet one more factor affecting the calculation for GMSL?

As I said at the start, I do not have the skills necessary to answer these and many other questions posed above – just taking a leaf out of “justthefacts” methods – and asking from you the pundits to engage and answer via group-science. Be kind for I am not as used to this medium as Anthony and other major players.

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crosspatch
March 3, 2012 5:50 pm

“And one final question. As Cole (2010) discovered, atmospheric pressure has been falling over time.”
Automotive vacuum leaks. You will notice that atmospheric pressure was rather stable until about 1976 which is about the time the PCV was invented for cars. this generally includes a rubber hose that goes from the valve cover to the manifold vacuum. Those hoses spring leaks which eats up an enormous amount of atmosphere every year. In fact, if people were aware of the amount of atmosphere disappearing into automotive vacuum leaks every year, they would absolutely demand that their politicians do something about it.
Another explanation is that things just pretty much suck these days compared to 1976.

Camburn
March 3, 2012 6:27 pm

Interesting questions.
You did post something I was not aware off, the atmospheric pressure declining over a long period of time. That fact alone demands more study.
Thank you.

March 3, 2012 6:35 pm

The average of all sea level gauges produces a sea level rise of just under 2 mm/yr versus the 3 mms/yr we have been told. The sea level gauge values are effectively flat and declining in the most recent few years.
Let’s think about the last few years when even the satellites are showing a decline. The recent La Ninas have produced more rainfall of which 25% falls on land and, thus, water accumulates on land and sea level therefore falls. That means even the ENSO and its rainfall patterns can upset the steady rise of sea level. Therefore, it must be a low number to start with and not be strictly related to warming.
Keep it coming Andi. You have a great writing style.

John Blake
March 3, 2012 6:37 pm

Thanks for cogent factual if non-formulaic reprise. Hadn’t realized that global atmospheric pressures show a century-long decline… the term for isostatic equilibrium is from Latin “isostasy,” thus no “c.”

Editor
March 3, 2012 6:49 pm

…thanks for comments to date
Please forgive my olde-worlde spelling – I did actually have a classical English education, so many words tend to be spelt differently today. Isostacy is one such – I was brought up to spell such words this way rather than the more modern Isostasy.
And thanks John Blake – but I think it’s actually from the Greek Isos and stasis – but you actually very correct – no ‘c’ in its derivative.
Andi

Philip Peake
March 3, 2012 7:05 pm

A quick comment on falling atmospheric pressure and sea-level. Ig atmospheric pressure is falling globally (which means we are losing gas to space) it should have no effect.
The sort of low pressure rise you were talking about that the Thames barrier is supposed to protect against, is a localized low pressure area, the opposite of your pressing on your rice pudding skin … “sucking” the water up (with a consequent small fall everywhere else).
But, if the atmosphere really is leaking away, that will be a very small reduction in pressure on the earth’s crust, allowing it to spring up just a tiny bit faster … but I would hate to be the one tasked with measuring that 🙂

ian
March 3, 2012 7:11 pm

Excellent questions and observations Andi , but unfortunately, you will not get the answers you are seeking . That is because no one knows the answers. That is why we AGW skeptics are winning this battle. No one, and no group of scientists can clearly saw without 100% doubt or clarity, that mankind is causing the planet to warm ( in my opinion the notion is plain silly ) .
Your article is great , very thought out , and you are legitimately looking for answers, and have given the article a lot of deep thought.. That is how I became a skeptic. After thinking through all the potential variables, ( the sun for one example ) I had a hard time believing the IPCC, but when climategate emails revealed the conspiracy, I knew it was over, also, when Al Gore announced on CNN that the ” debate was over “….I said ” what debate ” ….I cannot recall a debate, I saw a lot of fluffy over the top statements by a lot of high paid politicians…
Anyway, I will check back tomorrow to see if you get any answers to your comments, and good luck, and welcome to the group of non-believers in agw..
Ian

March 3, 2012 7:34 pm

In the middle of:
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/FOS%20Essay/Climate_Change_Science.html#Water_vapour
there is a graph of specific humidity versus time for the years 1948 to 2010 at 8 km. It seems to have many similarities with the pressure time graph.

davidmhoffer
March 3, 2012 7:44 pm

Look! An upside down hockey stick! The sky really is falling! Lookit the pressure dropping! Falling I say! And falling at an accelerated rate!
WE’RE GOING TO RUN OUT OF AIR IF WE DON’T DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SKY FROM FALLING!
Ok, Ok, so it isn’t falling, it is leaking out to space. Either way we’re running out of air. All we need is something to tax that will prevent it and…. Ok, STFU dave… we’ve got enough taxes already.

Editor
March 3, 2012 7:47 pm

Philip Peake says:
March 3, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Hi Philip – yep, Thames Barrier very deffinitely for severe localised depression in North Sea – probably forming off Norfolk Coast and moving south the last big one I remember.
As for losing atmosphere to space – just look at the graph – 1.2 millibar drop in a century – that’s huge. If indeed it is lost – we’d have nothing to breath within 100,000 years !!!
But if we see Global Mean Atmospheric Pressure change over time – that is a mean over the globe and over each year – it is unlikely to be uniform over all water at all times – it’s not as though we had just a single container full of water with a single atmospheric pressure uniformly distributed.
So my question still stands will it impact calculation of GMSL ?
Cheers. Andi

John F. Hultquist
March 3, 2012 7:50 pm

There have been statements that New York was about 150 – 200 Kilometres inland during the last Ice Age 20,000 years ago – but would it have been? Wouldn’t Isostacy have taken the land-mass down with it?
A seemingly reasonable argument for the lower sea level during the last glacial advance can be supported by the under water drainage networks of the continental shelves.
For example, on North America’s east coast, see
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2004/1441/html/intro.html
On the west coast, see
(Figure 1):
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/research/external/reports/06HQGR0149.pdf
On land, in North America, the extent of glaciers and topographic features from the outflow of lakes on their southern margins have been studied. These suggest (to me) that the depression of the land mass is also very regional – that is, not depressed very far out from the terminus of the ice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohawk_River
Go to the part on “Geologic history”; click on map for a readable version.

Lawrie Ayres
March 3, 2012 7:55 pm

I read that for every millibar decrease in atmospheric pressure there is one centimetre rise in sea level ( under the low pressure area). According to tthe last figure the average pressure has fallen by 1.4 millibars so sea level would have increased by 1.4 centimetres; another factor ignored by the IPCC computer models.

March 3, 2012 8:03 pm

Thanks Andi for many Interesting questions.
I was particularly interested in the revelation that pressure was declining at a measureable rate. All in all your post was a breath of common sense in an area studded with fanatical lunacy Your questions all demand more study.

Katherine
March 3, 2012 8:09 pm

I was under the impression that the claim of “300’ lower than today” sea levels was based on evidence of ancient shorelines at the edge of the continental shelf, around 300 feet or more below today’s shorelines.

LazyTeenager
March 3, 2012 8:24 pm

Ian says
That is because no one knows the answers.
———-
Ian, just because the people here don’t know the answers does not mean no one knows the answers.
I don’t know the answer either, but I bet I can find out, and there will be some science articles filled with math that will take me a week or 2 to digest.
The thing is just cos you guys can think up obvious objections, does not mean they have not already been thought of and solutions found.

wermet
March 3, 2012 8:26 pm

After a quick perusal of Theresa Cole’s 2010 thesis, I noted the following items:

1. Auckland’s historic annual mean atmospheric pressures at sea level (Figure 5.7 on page 116). This chart shows no observable trend in atmospheric pressure pressure between 1916 and 2007.
2. Historic global annual mean atmospheric pressures at sea level (figure 5.8 on page 117, i.e. the chart shown in the post). This chart does show a drop in sea level air pressure.
3. I further noted that the Historic global mean atmospheric pressure data were “derived from the Hadley Centre sea level pressure dataset.” Now given the fact that the Hadley Centre and its employees have been embroiled in a number of climate change data “fudging” incidences, why should I believe their data instead of the locally produced Auckland data?

What I really want to see are collections of atmospheric pressure data from many (hundreds or thousands) locations around the globe. This type of data would either support or contradict the assertion that atmospheric pressure is decreasing. Relying on a heavily processed data set from a suspect data source will not cause me to jump up in a panic. Show me the raw data, then and only then will I decide what is more likely the truth.

LazyTeenager
March 3, 2012 8:34 pm

I don’t understand what kind of answer is expecting. When water warms it expands and when ice melts it flows into the sea. These processes follow physical laws.
Temperatures and sea level changes can thrn be cross checked with each other to see if they are consistent with each other. Missing information can be measured to improve the accuracy.
If the satellites are measuring changes in sea level they don’t actually need a reference point. That won’t stop them from defining a reference point if one is required.
All this requires the collection of lots of information but it’s basically an auditing process.
No one here has the time to do this properly so all you will get is lots of handwaving and the multiplication of confusion.

Catherine Verngreen
March 3, 2012 8:35 pm

Andi, the questions that you raise are good ones.
The information needed to guide local coastal planning is Local Relative Sea Level, the global average (=eustatic) sea-level being an abstracted quantity.
For a readable account of the sea-level change issue, I recommend Chapter 4 in Bob Carter’s book, Climate: the Counter Consensus.
Kindle or printed copies are available, reviews and ordering details here:
Cathy

kbray in california
March 3, 2012 8:37 pm

Re: As Cole (2010) discovered, atmospheric pressure has been falling over time.
Perhaps a general slow warming of the atmosphere is causing the lower atmospheric pressure.
Warmer air is lighter, colder air is heavier, and both change the air pressure as they pass through the neighborhood.
From Wiki:
“In general, high-pressure areas are associated with cooler, drier air as well as clearing skies due to their formation within areas of atmospheric subsidence, or areas of large-scale air descent. The strongest high-pressure areas are associated with arctic air masses during the winter, which modify and weaken once they move over relatively warmer water bodies.”
If the pressure is going down, it might be getting warmer too.
That could be one explanation.

Roger Carr
March 3, 2012 8:39 pm

davidmhoffer says: “WE’RE GOING TO RUN OUT OF AIR IF WE DON’T DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SKY FROM FALLING!”
Wrong, David. All that missing air is being held under pressure in the inner tubes of vehicles and such bladders.

Roger Carr
March 3, 2012 8:40 pm

Wonderful essay, Andi! Thank you.

March 3, 2012 8:42 pm

A little bit off-topic, but look what Arctic ice is doing. Not too unexpected for the medium term future, but so soon ??
http://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/observation_images/ssmi1_ice_ext.png

Greylensman
March 3, 2012 8:45 pm

Andi, nice paper. There is a paper on WUWT re comparing Texas with North East USA that has the numbers that you seek. It specified how much the great lakes was depressed and how much they have rebounded and how much more they have left. I am not clear how to find that paper here for you but somebody will.
Where i live, Malaysia sea level was several metres higher in the recent past. Lots of sea caves in rice paddies.

kbray in california
March 3, 2012 8:55 pm

Roger Carr says:
March 3, 2012 at 8:39 pm
All that missing air is being held under pressure in the inner tubes of vehicles and such bladders.
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Why don’t we fill all tires with CO2 instead ? A good sequester for CO2 and perfect as a fire extinguisher if you ever have an engine fire… a rubber hose with a nozzle… that would be handy and dandy. And imagine the recycling fees on a tire full of toxic CO2 poison. The taxman and the UN warmers will love it.

kbray in california
March 3, 2012 9:01 pm

Ps: Good writing Andi, it got me thinking.
Keep up the good work.
Thanks.

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