Fundamental questions on Isostasy and Mean Sea-Level

Guest post by Andi Cockroft

Firstly, let me declare that I am not a current student of Geology or Geophysics. I studied Mathematics, Computer Science and Geology at University way back in the 60’s and I have focused my entire working life in IT. To this day, I still run a small IT company in New Zealand.

I follow the workings of the climate models with interest, since much of my University life was spent on Numerical Analysis and Stochastical Processing – the pre-cursors to today’s modelling. Although back then, Computer power was measured in kilo-flops, and the first mainframe I worked on was 20K. A 1Mb mainframe was but a pipe-dream – our biggest was 128K.

On the other hand, my groundings in Geology were at a time when my Professor was still agnostic about plate tectonics (although my tutor was an avid proponent thankfully). It was a time when magnetic striping of the mid-Atlantic was known but not totally understood. It was also a time when isostacy (although an old theory) was finding new support.

So, I offer this post not as any particular expert in the field, but rather to stimulate discussion from those far more familiarity with the concepts than I – please feel free to correct my impressions and limited understanding of the various topics

All I am proposing here are some of the fundamental questions that bother me regarding Isostacy, melting or re-freezing ice-caps and the effect on global mean sea-level (GMSL).

Firstly, just what is GMSL? I don’t believe it can ever be measured against one specific location on the globe – for just about everywhere on this planet is in motion to some degree or other – north/south, east-west, up/down – although our impression is of a stable terra-firma, geologically speaking it isn’t – it is more like the skin of a rice-pudding floating on the more fluid layers below.

If you ever played with your rice-pudding as a child, let the skin form and then pressed on it with your spoon? Press on one place and the skin will rise in another. So the Earth responds to increasing or decreasing pressures (or mass) on its crust.

The earth’s crust (or lithosphere) “floats” on the more fluid asthenosphere. The thickness and relative buoyancy of that part of the lithosphere will determine just how high or low it will “float”. When the buoyancy is in balance, it is said to be in isostatic equilibrium. There are many places that still today are not in isostatic equilibrium.

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In terms of mountain building, where for instance the Indian plate is hurtling northwards into the Eurasian plate giving rise to the Himalaya Mountains – the gravity measurements tell us that just like an iceberg, there is just as much if not more “Everest” below the crust as there is above it – the buoyancy of that extra material below is needed to support the weight of the Mountain Range above.

Imagine ice floating in a bath – add more weight on top and the ice will sink such that the Archimedes principle of displacement is yet again in equilibrium. Indeed, add too much weight and the whole iceberg will sink regardless – but that’s a diversion (think 2Km thick glacier!)

So back to the question – what is GMSL? To my way of understanding, it can only be measured against a theoretical spot, and must in this age of satellite and gps be measured relative to a reference datum and/or the calculated centre of the earth. Since the earth is not a true sphere – it is I believe referred to as an “oblate spheroid” – the averaging out of these measurements must be translated back into local datum to be able to measure against tide-gauges etc.

Then again, I have always maintained that Sea-Level is a local phenomenon – for many reasons.

Tides, temperature, winds, air-pressure as well as such phenomena such as ENSO etc

But given that statements implying GMSL was 300’ lower than today during the last ice-age, I ask the question – “but what was the real or relative sea-level back then in say New York State?” – in places under Kilometres of ice apparently. Certainly what is now the Great Lakes was inundated by huge ice flows.

That sheer weight of ice would have had the effect of pushing the underlying land-mass downward, to some extent counteracting the drop in GMSL – in fact (just in my imagination) – I believe that these areas would have been significantly below GMSL even with its 300’ decline.

Sorry I do not have the knowledge to do the calculation, but I hope here that group-science can answer the question.

There have been statements that New York was about 150 – 200 Kilometres inland during the last Ice Age 20,000 years ago – but would it have been? Wouldn’t Isostacy have taken the land-mass down with it?

One of the problems faced by modern day measurements of GMSL, is that Isostacy is still at work.

Remove the massive ice-flows from ice-age North America, and the continental land mass does not rebound instantly – it rebounds (uplifts) slowly – it is still rebounding today. As things equal themselves out over Geologic time, the land masses continue to rise, and as a counter, the ocean basins are actually falling. In other words, the oceans themselves gain a greater capacity to store water.

This expansion needs some accounting for, and this Global Isostacy Adjustment (GIA) is estimated at about the equivalent of 0.3 mm per year in GMSL, this at least partially offsets the predicted 3mm per year expansion of the oceans due to warming (that seems to have paused just now). Indeed, if thermal expansion of the oceans has paused, GIA will continue unabated and actually serve to lower observed GMSL.

All of this is a very roundabout way of me arguing that Sea Level is a local phenomenon, and calculating a GMSL whilst academically interesting serves no actual use. Certainly not in terms of Government and Policy decision-making.

imageIn England, long before Liverpool was ever heard of, the River Dee provided the main shipping for the North West. First Chester (used by the Romans), then further out to Burton and Neston and ultimately Parkgate were the main points of embarkation for Ireland. Visit Parkgate today, and the sea is many hundreds of metres away with a huge salt marsh in between.

In New Zealand, where I have lived this past quarter-century, there are many places where erosion is eating into the coast and houses are inexorably marching towards oblivion. In others, accretion of up to 1 metre per year is extending the land-mass ever seaward.

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Yet Local Government in these areas is focused almost entirely on projected changes to GMSL rather than what is physically happening.

The local authority here is planning on Climate Change bringing inundation despite all the evidence that the sea is retreating !!!

imageHowever, I digress. Looking further at Geologic Changes, and back to Isostacy for a moment, where two tectonic plates collide, one usually will ride over whilst the other suffers subduction. This is where we will find seismically active areas (sadly Christchurch here and many more such as Japan, China etc). We will also likely find mountain-building – as mentioned earlier, the Indian plate is still moving northward (150mm or 6” pa), and the Himalayas are still rising (5mm or 0.2” pa) – in geological terms still very active.

At the same time, the subduction zone may well create significant volcanic activity – New Zealand has its fair share.

But just about anywhere plates collide will see some degree of uplift. Again using New Zealand as an example, the main mountain range in the South Island is the Southern Alps. Current measurements show an uplift rate of about 7mm per year.

How this translates into vertical movement at either east or west coast I have been unable to determine, but it has to be happening, and ongoing.

In Wellington, the biggest recorded earthquake was a magnitude 8.2 in 1855. This uplifted the east of the City between 2 and 3 metres. Today’s airport is built on this uplifted land, and the current business district sits on reclaimed marshland exposed at that time.

Wandering along Wellington’s Lambton Quay (where boats used to dock), reveals brass plaques set into the pavement showing the shoreline in 1840 – the current Quay is about 300 metres away.

Given the magnitude of that earthquake, I suspect Wellington’s rate of uplift over larger time-intervals will be outpacing GMSL, but I could be wrong. By thesis, Cole (2010) identifies a shift in vertical position around 1944 – this following two large earthquakes in the preceding years.

There is nothing to suggest that Wellington’s upward thrust (to the east of the Wellington Fault) has ceased, so the next “big one” will likely see further uplift and hence a relative drop in Sea Level.

Local effects of Plate collisions, Isostacy rebound (eg Great lakes) etc., all serve to modify the impact of GMSL .

If we are to believe recent reports, some of the small Island Nations such as the Maldives may in fact be growing rather than being swamped under an ever-rising tide. Explain that one – I understand coral growth may be at work here but I’ve not seen anything truly convincing yet.

In other places, we are seeing true inundation but usually accompanied by more rational explanation such as pumping ground water.

So is the observed increase in GMSL of 3mm pa actually causing any significantly observable effects?

I remember the Thames Barrier being built to protect London from inundation, but that was to protect against a storm surge – where a massive low pressure system in the North Sea causes a correspondingly massive increase in local Sea Level. This is of the order of metres, not 300mm per century.

And one final question. As Cole (2010) discovered, atmospheric pressure has been falling over time.

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Ill-equipped as I am to perform the calculations, is this drop in barometric pressure yet one more factor affecting the calculation for GMSL?

As I said at the start, I do not have the skills necessary to answer these and many other questions posed above – just taking a leaf out of “justthefacts” methods – and asking from you the pundits to engage and answer via group-science. Be kind for I am not as used to this medium as Anthony and other major players.

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Brian H
March 5, 2012 6:11 am

EternalOptimist says:
March 4, 2012 at 1:02 am
@Lazy teenager
when water warms, it expands. are you sure about that ?
when ice melts it flows into the sea. are you sure about that ?
Both statements are false. 0-4C. evaporation.

Actually, for saline (sea-) water, the “expands” is true. It’s only false for fresh water.
And evaporation/sublimation are indeed potent. Just observe Kilimanjaro! No snow, dry winds, and the ice cap is/was shrivelling away. Regrowing now, though, IIRC.

Kev-in-Uk
March 5, 2012 7:42 am

Marine_Shale says:
March 4, 2012 at 9:42 pm
I’d be interested to know how many mainstream media outlets reported that negative sea level anomaly?? How many headlines were there about the receding sea front and loss of fishing grounds due to shallowing seas, etc, etc, etc? LOL
BTW – An interesting blog name – but a bit of a misnomer, surely? After all, all shales are of water origin, so I think the ‘marine’ part is a bit unnecessary? Just saying…..(I suppose you could be explicitly excluding freshwater derived shales though!).

kbray in california
March 5, 2012 8:25 am

Brian H says:
March 4, 2012 at 7:58 pm
“Global air pressure and mass, ignoring loss to space etc., are not variable. Local air pressure is variable because warm light air pushes cold heavy air aside.”
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Brian H,
I have some questions for you…
Do jets flying through the air add to the weight or mass of the atmosphere?
Does the 390,000 pounds of jet fuel burned on one long flight add to the weight or mass of the atmosphere?
Do volcanic ash and gasses from an eruption add to the weight or mass of the atmosphere?
Does a helium balloon released from the hand of a child add to the weight or mass of the atmosphere ?
Does helium gas released into the air add to the weight or mass of the atmosphere?
Do all the particulates, soot, and gasses released from smokestacks add to the weight or mass of the atmosphere?
Does smoke from a forest fire add to the weight or mass of the atmosphere?
Does dust from space or a dust storm add to the weight or mass of the atmosphere?
Can you answer any of those for me?

kbray in california
March 5, 2012 9:45 am

It just occurred to me that every super tanker floating in the ocean adds to sea level rise.
Every boat or bit of debris or submarine or even whales or fish or even plankton for that matter…
Man, we are really in trouble.
To control this deluge we need to pull every ship onto dry land. A lottery could be imposed to allow only so many ships to be at sea at one time. A “sea level damage tax” could be levied on every ocean going vessel. This idea is my contribution to saving the planet. I feel better now. sarc. in case you missed it.
Ps: Maybe dredging the ocean would help too… shovel ready jobs digging sand in the sea…

David A. Evans
March 5, 2012 11:50 am

Dr Burns says:
March 3, 2012 at 11:06 pm

Mean sea level atmospheric pressure is 1013mb. Cole’s graph suggests around 1008mb. Seems strange.

Thanks. I thought I was going mad and had misremembered that.
DaveE.

Editor
March 5, 2012 12:40 pm

I seem to recollect that the 1013.25 Mb pressure is used internationally to define air-corridors or Flight Levels. Setting FL210 (notional 21000 feet) relative to 1013.25 means that as local pressure changes, the Flight Level will actually move up and down. But since all planes are using the same barometric setting of 1013.25, all aircraft will move up and down in unison.
Choosing 1013.25 was an arbitrary decision that would allow a super-low pressure (say 990) to lower the Flight Level, but not to any dangerous extent where it would either hit the ground, or interfere with aircraft operating below.
I also seem to recollect that 1000 Mb was originally chosen by the Met Office as the average barometric setting at sea-level
To those refering to the “Geoid” – who’s Geoid would you use? Look in your GPS and see how many Datums are available – although WGS84 seems pretty standard, there are lots of others, each based on a local Geoid !!! Just to complicate things further
Andi

David A. Evans
March 5, 2012 1:16 pm

As I remember Andi, the pressure entered by our pilots never deviated far from 1013mb. Where we were in East Anglia the deviation would not be far from sea level pressure.
BTW. Too high a pressure could lead to flying into the ground on low level sorties!
DaveE.

David A. Evans
March 5, 2012 1:19 pm

Ground open up & eat me now! Too low a pressure could lead to flying into the ground!

Kev-in-UK
March 5, 2012 3:56 pm

Dave Wendt says:
March 4, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Quite! (but don’t mention that to Nick Stokes or he will be around again telling us how an anomaly ‘measure’ disregards all that inaccuracy stuff!)

Dave Wendt
March 5, 2012 4:00 pm

Andi Cockroft says:
March 5, 2012 at 12:40 pm
To those refering to the “Geoid” – who’s Geoid would you use? Look in your GPS and see how many Datums are available – although WGS84 seems pretty standard, there are lots of others, each based on a local Geoid !!! Just to complicate things further
The Geoid model used in sea level altimetry is EGM96
3.2.4. Geoid
OSTM/Jason-2 (O)(I)GDRs use the EGM96 geopotential to compute the geoid [Lemoine et al., 1998]. The EGM96 geopotential model has been used to calculate point values of geoid undulation on a 0.25 x 0.25 degree grid that spans the latitude range +85.0 deg. to -85.0 deg. The EGM96 model is complete to spherical harmonic degree and order 360, and has been corrected appropriately so as to refer to the mean tide system as far as the permanent tide is concerned [Rapp et al., 1991]. The k2 Love number used in this conversion was 0.3. The geoid undulations are given with respect to an ideal geocentric mean Earth ellipsoid, whose semi-major axis remains undefined (i.e., there is no zero-degree term in the spherical harmonic series of these geoid undulations). The flattening of this reference ellipsoid is f=1/298.257 so that values are consistent with constants adopted for T/P.
Since the geoid undulations have been computed from an expansion to degree 360, the resolution of the undulations will be on the order of 50km. Data used to derived the EGM96 model include surface gravity data from different regions of the globe, altimeter derived gravity anomalies from the GEOSAT Geodetic Mission, altimeter derived anomalies from ERS-1, direct satellite altimetry from T/P, ERS-1 and GEOSAT, and satellite tracking to over 20 satellites using satellite laser ranging, GPS, DORIS, the Tracking and Data Relay Satellite System (TDRSS), and TRANET.

Kev-in-UK
March 5, 2012 4:07 pm

Andi Cockroft says:
March 5, 2012 at 12:40 pm
The Geoid concept is quite important, and as you say, there are many variants. However, as per my earlier post, my feeling is that there must be a suitable Base geoid reference (if you like).
I was mindlessly pondering the measurement aspect and wondering if it would be possible to use the moon as a measurement device/reflector. I am not aux fais with surveying techniques but I understand they measure earth-moon distance with lasers? Would it not be possible to use the moon as a distant reference point for fixed earth points? (yes, I am aware the lunar distance varies, of course). If we had say a dozen fixed earth points all firing a laser at the moon and getting a direct relative distance, and this was then repeated over days, in theory the relative distances would always be the same unless the earths shape had changed? The extra distance from moon to earth instead of GPS satellite to earth would increase accuracy too, I presume?
I’m probably way off base here – but it just seems that to get a 3d measurement of a big object, one needs to view it from afar, and I was thinking of how they scan an object with a laser to digitize it. Is the technology available to place a laser on the moon to digitise the earth, constantly, and then note any changes in shape?

Agile Aspect
March 5, 2012 10:58 pm

Dave Wendt says:
March 4, 2012 at 1:38 am
In regard to the difference between satellite observations and tidal gauges see this map
http://www.aviso.oceanobs.com/fileadmin/images/news/indic/msl/MSL_Map_MERGED_Global_IB_RWT_NoGIA_Adjust.png
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Hey, that image reminds me of El Nino.

March 6, 2012 8:08 am

The equatorial bulge is often not considered as a prime factor in the potential for global rearrangement, both historically and in the future. How much bulge of water can be formed before a “bulge” collapse. Are accounts of GREAT floods a result of past cyclic collapse of the equatorial bulge? Are melting ice caps feeding the bulge? Is there a “tipping” point where equatorial bulge collapses. Does a weakening barometric pressure contribute to such a phenomena?
Apparently the bulge is growing….
Always more questions than answers unfortunately.
http://beyondprophecy.blogspot.com/2010/05/equatorial-bulge-growing.html

Lars P.
March 6, 2012 1:17 pm

Interesting posts at Ecotreras on the sea level:
http://ecotretas.blogspot.com/2008/12/descida-dos-nveis-do-mar.html
2008: trend 3.3 mm/year. total 1993-2008 15 years = 49.5 mm
http://ecotretas.blogspot.com/2009/04/subida-descer.html
2009: trend 3.2 mm/year. see the very flat 2006-2009. total 16 years = 51.2 mm
http://ecotretas.blogspot.com/2010/10/going-down.html
2010: trend 3.1 mm/year, total 17 years = 52.7
And the last one from CU home page:
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/
2011/2: trend 3.1 mm/year (-0.3) = 2.8 mm/year , total 18 years =50.4
I saw a mention at Ecotreras that trend was down from 3.5 in 2006 does anybody know, was it for the whole period 1993-2006?

March 6, 2012 6:57 pm

hello again everyone . could i please have your attention . i am no scientist but i am sure there are a few leaving comments on this site . allthough i dont understand a lot about physics and quantom mechanics and such . if their is one thing i know . We need to bring our environment back into a healthy balance right . well i have a few suggestions 1 we need to put less heated buildings on our land they are acting like blankets on the ground that must have something to do with global warming . 2 we definately have to stop destroying forests not only do they give us life giving oxygen as you know /and take carbon dioxide out of the atmos . surely with more plants and trees shade is being produced which in turn cools down the ground . 3 now ask yourselfs where are the hottest parts of the earth ? deserts surely well one thing we do know is that deserts are slowly spreading again making the globe warm up further ? we need to stop this happening one way to do this is to start getting along with our freinds all over the world and then we all build our homes there ime sure theres enough machinery manpower and resources to flatten it out [ leaves more fertile land to grow FOOD allso bird population might start to rise again nature would have their home back .eco allmost sorted right .4 leaves you scientists to keep it in balance instead of having to try and fix it gives you more time to go fossil hunting . so their you have it north and south pole would refreeze more polar bears and penguins no more rising tides oxygen levels improve earth should chill out not as many earth quakes eruptions sunamis and such like MAKES SENSE TO ME . and the added bonus everyone would have a job . thankyou i rest my case …..oh ps did you know Mary Schweitzer PHD found intact blood cells and soft material in a T REX thigh bone . thats impossible unless t rex lived less than 100 000 years ago .

RACookPE1978
Editor
March 6, 2012 7:28 pm

michael says:
March 6, 2012 at 6:57 pm
You have an interesting response.
How many months of school have you had? What was your highest level of school? What year?
What subjects did you take?
If not English, what is your native language?
Your answers will help us determine how to talk to you.
(Note to all: Remember, he votes. He may not pay taxes, or earn income, but he votes.)

March 6, 2012 8:05 pm

hello Mr Cook . to your responce never went to school self taught and yes i dont pay tax anymore since i lost my job as an electrical and mechanical engineer last year .spent all my school days staying away from bullies hiding in the woods . being stoned and beaten with sticks thrown in boating lakes hounded everytime i left school . AND THAT WAS JUST PRIMARY SCHOOL . too much violence in this world .

RACookPE1978
Editor
March 6, 2012 8:28 pm

I can sympathize with the loss of your job – Did you know your job loss was due to the current liberal politicians’ obsession with “green energy” and their socialistic CAGW theories about fossil fuels in the US, UK, Australia, Spain, the EU, and much else of the UN?
My own “self-taught” classes were possibly as equally difficult as yours: I earned 39 credit hours towards my first degree by advance placement studies, national and local tests, and self-study. But those, to be true, were only in freshman and sophomore classes: first and second years of chemistry, a few semesters of calculus, analytical math, a bunch of years of mechanical and electrical physics, the basics (history, English literature, writing, etc.) But nothing really past sophomore level courses. Its funny, but somebody did require that I finish about 120 more hours of other higher-levels courses before Texas let me declare myself an engineer of anything. (See, it’s actually illegal to declare yourself an engineer, or be employed as an engineer, without such documented classes and a complete degree. Academics are funny that way. Seems they use their political influence to get their legislatures to write laws so ensure their own academic careers always justify continued employment by the schools that are funded by the legislatures.
But I do applaud your ‘electrical and mechanical” engineering job earned that way.

March 6, 2012 10:07 pm

Mr Cook . I do praise you for your achievments . But your speculation skills need some work . I lost my job due to ill health . i blame the liberals AND conservatives for that . And no ime not an eco tree hugger . i just beleive we should take more care of the way we go about things . one example the deep sea drilling disaster . was,nt the people in charge of that job supposed to be highly educated . I have spent over 30 years working in some very dangerous environments and i have never made a mistake . oh sorry yes i did make one mistake not shouting loud enough at a highly educated health and safety executive for not taking more care about my work environment . That caused my health problem . Mr Cook in my world i got my hands dirty and PAID MY TAXES .work experiance and hard labour gained me my education .

William I. Thompson
March 7, 2012 6:48 am

Orogenesis: The Cause of Global Mountain Uplifts
Donald Patten, a geographer, proposed that the global mountain uplifts came from a close encounter with an astral body. He uses physical mechanisms and mountain arc data from J. Tuzo Wilson to show how the major mountain chains were pulled up. I am an astrogeophysicist by training and I never could accept the fact that horizontal forces on a sphere could push up 28,000 foot mountains. I suggest the following chapter from
Patten, Donald W. (1966) “The Biblical Flood and the Ice Epoch: A Study in Scientific History,” (Seattle: Pacific Meridian Publishing Co.) [Online: http://www.creationism.org/patten/%5D
Chapter V – Orogenesis: The Cause of Global Mountain Uplifts [http://www.creationism.org/patten/PattenBiblFlood/PattenBiblFlood05.htm]

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