Guest post by Patrick Michaels
When the battle is being lost, there is a tendency to try to raise a level of distraction to shift the attention away from the desperate situation at hand. Such is the noise being raised concerning my presentation of the results from a recent series of scientific findings and observations—that lend further support to notion of modest climate change. The apocalyptics and the gloom-and-doom crowd are losing both the science battle and the policy war.
Dana Nuccitelli (aka dana1981) over at the website Skeptical Science has recently written a screed purporting that I delete “inconvenient” data in order to make my points. In fact, what I have done is to highlight the major findings of the studies I have commented on—findings that have indeed strengthened the case that global warming in this century will be in the lower end of the range of projections issued by the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
Mr. Nuccitelli starts by digging up the dead horse of my 1998 testimony to Congress and my presentation of the global temperature projections made ten years earlier (in 1988) by NASA’s Jim Hansen. In my testimony before the Committee on Small Business of the U.S. House of Representatives in July 1998 (available here) I elected to focus on a comparison between the observed temperatures and those projected to have occurred under Hansen’s (in his words) “business-as-usual” (BAU) scenario. Remember, this was in 1998. There was no worldwide treaty reducing carbon dioxide emissions (indeed, there isn’t one now). The only change to BAU that took place in the 1988 to 1998 time period was the Montreal Protocol limiting the emissions of CFCs. Reductions in production began only in 1994 and the radiative effect of the Protocol by 1998 was infinitesimal. To me, BAU means BAU. One of the main points that I was making in my 1998 testimony was that observations indicated that the global temperature were rising much less than Hansen had forecast under BAU, which is what happened. That was true then, and it remains true today, as the amount of warming he overforecast in 1988 is painfully obvious.
Mr. Nuccitelli then criticizes my handling of the results of a pair of new scientific studies examining the earth’s climate sensitivity by Schmittner et al. (2011) and Gillett et al. (2012). Each of these research teams reported rather lowish estimates of the climate sensitivity. As in any scientific study, there is a lot of discussion concerning data and methods and results in these papers and caveats and uncertainties. In my summary of them, I focused on the major results much as the authors did in the papers’ abstracts. In both case I wrote positively about the findings. Not having obtained the actual raw data from the authors themselves to enable me to create charts directly illustrating the paper’s main points (a task that is commonly not altogether straightforward, timely, or even successful; see the Climategate emails for examples of the myriad of potential difficulties encountered in such an effort), I did the next best thing, which was to adapt the published figures to simplify and highlight the major results (and focus my accompanying text on the main findings).
For example, from Schmittner et al., I removed from one of the original figures some data pertaining to individual components (land and ocean) because the paper was about global temperature and I am concerned about global sensitivity. I showed the global results (and noted in the caption of the Figure I presented that it had been “adapted from Schmittner et al., 2011″). The finding that I showed was the same one which the authors focused on in their abstract which I reproduce here in full:
Assessing impacts of future anthropogenic carbon emissions is currently impeded by uncertainties in our knowledge of equilibrium climate sensitivity to atmospheric carbon dioxide doubling. Previous studies suggest 3 K as best estimate, 2–4.5 K as the 66% probability range, and non-zero probabilities for much higher values, the latter implying a small but significant chance of high-impact climate changes that would be difficult to avoid. Here, combining extensive sea and land surface temperature reconstructions from the Last Glacial Maximum with climate model simulations, we estimate a lower median (2.3 K) and reduced uncertainty (1.7–2.6 K 66% probability). Assuming paleoclimatic constraints apply to the future as predicted by our model, these results imply lower probability of imminent extreme climatic change than previously thought.
And the same is true for my encapsulation of the work of Gillett and colleagues. In this case, I simplified one of the original figures by removing some results that were derived using a shorter and incomplete (1851-2010 vs. 1901-2000) temperature record while retaining the same record that was preferred by the authors (and again noted in the caption to the Figure that I presented that it had been “adapted from Gillett et al., 2012″ and additionally added that “the original figure included additional data not relevant to this discussion”).
That one of the primary scientific advances of the paper was the result derived using the more complete temperature time series is demonstrated by the paper’s title “Improved constraints on 21st-century warming derived using 160 years of temperature observations.” Note the words “improved” and “160 years of temperature data” (the full record).
I invite you to compare the “before” and “after” images from these two papers as detailed by Dana Nuccitelli with the descriptions made in summary by the paper’s original authors and you’ll see that I was being true to their work. Further, read through my articles (here and here) spotlighting their results and you’ll see that I was also quite supportive of their findings.
Mr. Nuccitelli, as a contributor to Skeptical Science—a website dedicated to trying to bolster the alarmist claims of human-caused climate change—realizes that it is in his best interest to try to obliterate evidence which paints a less than alarming picture of our climate future. Anyone who both produces and synthesizes such findings will be his target. That’s just the way the game is played by alarmists like Dana and the ever-obnoxious Joe Romm (who probably has done more damage to his cause with his over-the-top vitriol than he can possibly imagine).
If evidence continues to accrue that the earth’s climate is not changing in a manner sufficient to inspire enough fear in the general populace to demand life-altering energy limitations, attacks will continue by those, to use Mr. Nuccitelli phrase “who simply don’t want to accept the scientific reality.”
To keep up with the latest scientific findings concerning climate change highlighting the modest nature of the expected changes—findings that which are unlikely to be highlighted in the general media—I invite you to drop in from time to time here at World Climate Report , my “Climate of Fear” column at Forbes, my “Current Wisdom” feature at Cato, or any of the other sites, such as Watts Up With That? or Junk Science, that occasionally highlight my writings.
And, as always, if you ever don’t believe what I have to say, or want to investigate the issue in more detail, I include a list of references of the papers that I am discussing. So, as Casey Stengel used to say, ‘you could look it up.’
References:
Gillett, N.P., et al., 2012. Improved constraints on 21st-century warming derived using 160 years of temperature observations. Geophysical Research Letters, 39, L01704, doi:10.1029/2011GL050226.
Schmittner, A., et al., 2011. Climate sensitivity estimated from temperature reconstructions of the Last Glacial Maximum, Science, 334, 1385-1388
DOI: 10.1126/science.1203513
UPDATE: Shub Niggurath shows even more integrity issues at Skeptical Science.
Smokey says: ““Actually Thoughtful” is mendaciously trying to paint you into a corner, by dishonestly commenting as though you are denying that the planet is warming. In fact, it was Michael Mann who preposterously claimed that the temperature did not change until the Industrial Revolution, when it shot up. Mann’s claims have since been completely debunked, but his lemming-like followers still believe that the current warming is unusual. It is not, it is simply a continuation of the natural warming trend since the LIA.”
Lars says:
“Thanks Smokey, you are right.”
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There is a tendency on the internet, after a poster has lost the intellectual battle – to institute name calling and questioning of motives – here we see Smokey questioning my integrity, and Lars eagerly signing on, instead of responding to the rather serious holes I have poked in their respective world views.
Predictable, but mildly entertaining in how closely it follows the script of: FAIL at the science, turn and fire at the messenger.
Sigh.
“Smokey says:
January 21, 2012 at 8:29 am
used the Centigrade convention that everyone uses”
As near as I can tell, he is from the United States where they still use F. I was wondering if “Actually Thoughtful” was actually “R. Gates” due to something both said, and with R. Gates being rather quiet on this thread, however from clues they left behind, they both live in the states, but not the same state.
“I have not been able to find the ‘slight upward slope’ you referred to in any charts with a correct y-axis.” You assumed correctly that all I was talking about was: “Your Akasofu link shows a steady upward trend line from the LIA”
Smokey: “Actually Thoughtful’s “8°C” [which has now mysteriously morphed from “8°F”] is risible lunacy.”
YOU ARE PHILJOURDAN!! Admit it. Look you are so for of moral rectitude – SHOW us where I made the *C claims. PLEASE – I beg you – go upthread and find “Actually thoughtful” talking about 8C.
You were quick to accuse me of mendacity – yet here is incontrovertible evidence of you DOING what you claim I do – oh so typical of right wing, Orwellian double speak. The whole point of listening to your accusations is to find out what it is you are actually doing (those very nefarious things you accuse others of doing)
Wow – you could be talking about those few areas where the science isn’t well understood – deep ocean temps; how quickly we will see the temperatures rise – maybe a few other things that aren’t fairly well understood by this point. You could obfuscate and cast doubt in those areas, and hope against hope that those not paying attention would assume there was doubt in other areas.
But instead your innate personality shines through and you engage in the actions I have highlighted above.
Should of pulled the plug at your first ALGORE
Actually Thoughtful:
Please indicate where I have “whined” that I can’t find the science.
I will use your link to SkS to get access to the paper, even tho I am not welcome there, as my thirst for knowledge overwhelmes my distaste for propoganda. I will disagree that they provide a balanced presentation of the science. I am very confident, over 95% that you are an honorable man. What you don’t know about why I got banned from SkS is my frustration of TRYING to post links to published papers that refuted some of the proclaimed published papers. Ever had a post rejected over 6 times because it disagreed with the findings of the moderators?
Anyways, I am not here to worry about Sks methods. I can only hope that you read more papers than the ones that get presented there.
I am very familiar with inter library loans as I use them all the time. I don’t know why you consider them socialist. Carnegie gave most of the money that present day libraries rely on. In fact, my wifes’ uncles built the library near me….and our local library is funded by donations from those who wish the library to be a central meeting point of our community.
As far as paywall, I have been burnt too many times thinking it was worthwile to pay and learn. It has been clearly demonstrated that just because something is in a journal does not mean that it has any value to knowledge.
I will read the Knutti and Hegerl paper with my normal skeptical eye and thought.
Thank you again for the link.
And I can only hope that you have 50% or more of my current knowledge.
Actually Thoughtful says:
January 21, 2012 at 11:58 am
“Hmmm. Why don’t you look at solar activity for the two periods in question. DANGER you might learn something.”
Please try and keep up with the current science Actually Thoughtful. TSI has been constant for the past 100 years, another of my failed posts at SkS concerns this.
http://www.leif.org/research/The%20long-term%20variation%20of%20solar%20activity.pdf
Dr. Svalgaard has been at this for a long time and as far as I know, he is a pretty established scientist.
The tale of solar influence on the early 20th century warming is a myth…..I do hope that you educate yourself in this. SkS is just flat out wrong in their line of thinking on this period.
“Actually Thoughtful says:
January 21, 2012 at 9:55 am
I don’t buy the 60 year cycle”
It is just an observation from the last 130 years and the stall this decade gives no reason to assume it is still not going on.
“I believe GISS lists 2011 as 9th hottest on record”
That is correct. It is 9th according to GISS, as well as UAH. It is 12th according to both RSS and Hadcrut3.
“PS – sorry for getting your last name wrong on the other thread.” No problem!
“Actually Thoughtful says:
January 21, 2012 at 10:00 am
Werner Brozek: “How much of this slope is due to CO2 is a matter of debate, but I am convinced it is not enough to be the least bit concerned about.”
Are you intellectually honest enough to admit that regardless of your opinion, there is precious little science that supports your opinion?”
This is not my opinion. I am a retired physics teacher and I go where the evidence leads me. And the lack of a predicted tropospheric hot spot leads be to believe that CO2 has very little affect on the present warming. See:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/no-smoking-hot-spot/story-e6frg73o-1111116945238
From this site:
“The greenhouse signature is missing. We have been looking and measuring for years, and cannot find it.
Each possible cause of global warming has a different pattern of where in the planet the warming occurs first and the most. The signature of an increased greenhouse effect is a hot spot about 10km up in the atmosphere over the tropics. We have been measuring the atmosphere for decades using radiosondes: weather balloons with thermometers that radio back the temperature as the balloon ascends through the atmosphere. They show no hot spot. Whatsoever.”
Oh man….red flags right out of the box concerning H&K. They referred to Domingues, C.M. et al 2008 and Lyman, J.M. et al 2010…..offffta.
Smokey – I found it. I said “As is 8C.” This is my fault, I meant 8F (what my City is projecting for this region) and committed a typo. I apologize.
Smokey – I responded, based on my (false) understanding that I hadn’t posted 8C – which I had. Inosar as it is possible – I apologize for the following and retract it:
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YOU ARE PHILJOURDAN!! Admit it. Look you are so for of moral rectitude – SHOW us where I made the *C claims. PLEASE – I beg you – go upthread and find “Actually thoughtful” talking about 8C.
You were quick to accuse me of mendacity – yet here is incontrovertible evidence of you DOING what you claim I do – oh so typical of right wing, Orwellian double speak. The whole point of listening to your accusations is to find out what it is you are actually doing (those very nefarious things you accuse others of doing)
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For what it is worth I am deeply embarrassed. Both for being wrong and then making such a big stink about it.
The thermal capacity of the ocean is huge in comparison with that of the land surface and atmosphere, and much of this ocean mass is actively “brought into play” by the ocean circulations. Moreover, storage of CO2 in the ocean is 50 times that of the atmosphere.
So inability to account for the recent near constant ocean temperature indicates a significant deficiency in the understanding of overall global heat content, with consequent impact on long-term temperature and CO2 exchange. I believe Trenberth has identified this as being of considerable concern.
Actually Thoughtful says:
“PLEASE – I beg you – go upthread and find ‘Actually Thoughtful’ talking about 8C.”
Begging is always nice. So OK, here’s what happened: “Always Thoughtful” [AT] referred to 8°F when he said that was his city’s “…scenario was 5-8F more warming…”. Then AT reminded me: “The letter C vs the letter F is fairly important when discussing global warming… Read carefully – you might learn something.”
So yes, AT was talking about 8°F. But later, AT wrote: “…5F is 2.8C – well within the range of likely outcomes for my region. As is 8C.” So there’s AT, ‘talking about’ 8°C. AT’s comments did, in fact, morph from °F to °C. See? Begging gets the right answer. But maybe not the answer AT wanted.
AT is still batting .000, but I’m sure that’s because he gets his misinformation from the always unreliable Skeptical Pseudo-Science blog. And regarding his fantasies about who’s who, not only am I not Phil Jourdan [and vice versa], but I’ve never met Phil Jourdan and don’t know him. He writes good posts, though. And they’re accurate… unlike *ahem* someone we know.☺
Camburn – if your worldview requires you to believe in cosmic rays – I can’t help you – it is your ideology, and not anything to do with scientific reality.
If you want to learn the science, enter the phrase “cosmic rays” into the search engine at SkS – you will find that cosmic rays have a HUGE number of problems to overcome to become the magic bullet to solve global warming. Not the least of which – why isn’t the CO2 warming the world, which has been accepted science since Arrhenius (1896).
“Actually Thoughtful says:
January 21, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Smokey: “Actually Thoughtful’s “8°C” [which has now mysteriously morphed from “8°F”] is risible lunacy.”
YOU ARE PHILJOURDAN!! Admit it. Look you are so for of moral rectitude – SHOW us where I made the *C claims. PLEASE – I beg you – go upthread and find “Actually thoughtful” talking about 8C.”
WHOA! Before this gets totally out of control, was that a typo on your part Actually Thoughtful in the post below where you wrote C and may have meant F?
“Actually Thoughtful says:
January 21, 2012 at 9:55 am
BTW – 5F is 2.8C – well within the range of likely outcomes for my region. As is 8C.”
Actually Thoughtful:
Where did I mention cosmic rays on this thread?
I did mention UV which is part of the TSI light spectrum. This has been found to vary considerably more than previously thought. This finding is new…..within the past 5 years.
Did you confuse Dr. Svalgaard with Dr. Svensmark?
I encourage you to read the open links of information at:
http://www.leif.org/research/
It is a true treasure trove of information.
What is really sad is that Glory 2 has not been launched. We are losing valuable time to study our sun and learn.
Actually Thoughtful:
I challenge you to find one post, anywhere on the net, where I state that co2 is not a greenhouse gas. I will save you the time…..you won’t.
As far as SkS. The only thing I have read there that is not only informative, but documented well, is the series they did on the lowering of ph in the oceans as a result of increased co2. I commend that site for that information.
Other topics are dealt with a heavy hand. Mr. Cook wants papers that support his position, and shuns papers that don’t. His call, his site.
I have to thank SkS for directing me to Mr. Watts site. I have learned more since I started reading his site frequently, than I learned when I was not banned at SkS. I am a skeptic and I certainly do not rely on someone elses interpretations of a paper to form an informed knowledge base.
You have yet to provide me with the model that is verfied that shows 3.0C sensativity. I will finish H&K tonight when I need a breather from other work. Maybe that magic bullet is in that paper?
A model that can replicate the early 20th century warming would be great to see. So far…none that I know off has.
Dr. Svalgaard has been trying to show for years that TSI has been flat for a longggg time. It goes against the grain…..just as the L&P research. Which, instead of seeing the light of day has gone unpublished as it goes against the “grain” of convention wisdom.
I still think you are an honorable person. You admitted your mistake concerning C and F above. Thank you. I was waiting for you to finally go check what you had typed instead of defending it. I was sure that at some point you would. I was almost to the point of copying your original comment as it pained me to watch your defense that I knew was wrong.
My experience with you at SkS showed you to be a person of character with a lot yet to learn.
Actually Thoughtful:
You may find this recent paper to be off interest:
http://www.leif.org/research/2009JA015069.pdf
“The greenhouse signature is missing. We have been looking and measuring for years, and cannot find it.”
Werner Brozek – this quote suffers from a serious problem of using a definite article where an indefinite article is required (The “The” should be an “A”) – that is before considering the claim.
What does the science say about it?
Apparently there is some concern over our ability to measure it (which sounds kind of lame – but there are lots and lots of ways to determine the fingerprints of the warming – this doesn’t seem like a profitable avenue for your line of thinking.)
[Note: You can explain your own point of view without constant links to an unreliable blog. ~dbs, mod.]
Camburn: “Did you confuse Dr. Svalgaard with Dr. Svensmark?”
Yes.
Thank you for your kind words.
I wish you luck tilting at your windmills. There is an overwhelming body of evidence to support the common-sense notion that injecting endless tons of CO2 into the atmosphere is having an effect on our climate.
I chased a few of your papers and ideas over at SkS before you were banned – I ended up agreeing with the moderators that there wasn’t much signal for the noise.
But it would be awesome if you were correct – AGW kind of sucks. But the vast preponderance of evidence supports just this: The world is warming, and man is to blame.
[Reply: Once a comment is deleted there is no way to get it back. That particular comment was clearly off-topic. Stay on topic and your comments will be posted. ~dbs, mod.]
Actually Thoughtful says:
“The world is warming, and man is to blame.”
Only the first part is correct. The second part is baseless opinion; zero S/N ratio. On Skeptical Pseudo-Science you would be banned. Here, you can have your say. See the difference?
I am leaving the thread – the moderators heavy hand is preventing a useful discussion.
Smokey -highly ironic time to be singing WUWT praises – they have just started editing my comments and blocking my posts. I will stick with SkS – which at least focuses on the science.
Actually Thoughtful:
The rational response would be to simply stay on topic. I would have loved to debate your true belief that “man is to blame”, since there is no verifiable evidence supporting that conjecture. So I suspect that you’re just grabbing at a convenient excuse to hide out.
Smokey:
It is truely a delightful experience posting on Mr. Watts site.
I am glad that Always Thoughtful at least looked at the papers I posted on another site. He found them distasteful it seems, but they passed the peer review test, but didn’t agree with his current thoughts.
No question co2 is a greenhouse gas. The emperical evidence doesn’t support some of its magical qualities tho. Which to a skeptic only creates more hunger for answers.
The sencond part of Always Thoughtful’s statement has some merit. Eventually, I am confident of this, he will understand how small the percentage is tho.