Kyoto – in the past for Canada

tokyoboy says:
December 12, 2011 at 3:57 pm
Then the remaining Kyoto-freaks are:
EU (UK and Germany only?), Norway, Oz, and NZ. Am I right?
No. KP commitments are now only voluntary if a country wishes to continue to adhere to the defunct KP. Japan, Russia, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada do not but the 27-nation European Union, Norway and Switzerland will continue voluntarily (or not)
The KYOTO PROTOCOL “Party Quantified emission limitation or reduction commitment” table is here:-
http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/convkp/kpeng.html
The USA commitment is listed but USA never ratified KP. USA did however make commitments to the Copenhagen Accord as did China and India. The Copenhagen Accord is still operative but is not a legally binding treaty. The ‘Durban Platform’ seeks to implement legally binding emissions reductions from 2020 onwards but nothing will be agreed to until 2015 (if then). It remains to be seen if 2020 commitments (if any) are a new table superseding the Copenhagen Accord.
Hopefully by then the Monboit Minimum will have kicked in.

At 8:47 PM on 12 December, brc had written:

Surely this has to be the first move other leaders have been waiting for.
Australia was the last (stupid) one to ratify the Kyoto Protocol, although many of the stupid regulations pertaining to it were passed anyway (e.g. locking up farmland).
A conservative government in Australia could mean dumping of the carbon tax and dumping of Kyoto. Now that would be something worth hoping for. If Canada can… I can only imagine how many mining companies just opened up a ‘where can we invest in Canada’ document.

I could only hope that tallbloke or one of the other Australian bloggers might put in an appearance on this thread; I’d seen him participant in Dr. Curry’s thread discussing Science communication (specifically the convocation of the climate catastrophists’ Sacra Congregatio de Propaganda Fide at the Fall AGU warmista ecumenical council).
Anybody reading here from Down Under prepared to discuss the precarious status of la Gilliard’s excuse for a government and how close it is at present to coming to bits like the proverbial Pakistani hand grenade?

Al Gored says … “May is obviously a woodchuck.” ☺☺☺
We started calling the poor thing “The Beav” way back. I have a great TV screen capture of her trying to eat a microphone on CTV after the last election.
Okay ..we should not make fun of people. Elizabeth May wherever you are, we are sorry.
Reminds of an old BC cartoon … some other time. ☺

Clive
I’m not sorry. I’ve met her.

william wallace;
My sense is that english is not your first language, so I’m going to let you off the hook. Otherwise you’d be fully exposed by now to my sarcastic wit, and I don’t think the language hanidcap you’re under would make it a fair fight. On the other hand, you’re so divorced from reality, that I’m not certain if your having a strong command of the english language would make a difference.
You may, if you wish, meditate and recommend it to others. Unfortunately, tyrants aren’t much into meditation, and if they want to slice your head off, it matters little how well you meditate.
The Nazi machine savaged Europe, and 40 million people died before it was over. What stopped them? Armed men with the will to lay their lives on the line so that people like YOU could live in freedom. What stopped the slaughter in Bosnia Herzogovina? Armed men with the will to lay their lives on the line so that people like YOU could live in freedom. Why did the slaughter in Rwanda come to an end? Armed men with the will to lay their lives on the line so that people like YOU could live in freedom. Why are there no more slaves in the Unites States (and many other countries)? Armed men with the will to lay their lives on the line so that people like YOU could live in freedom. Why does South Korea live in prosperity while North Korea starves to death? Armed men willing to lay down their lives so that people like YOU could live in freedom.
I could go on for many paragraphs. If you’d like to point out a single example ofg an evil empire intent on the slaughter of innocent people by the thousands and millions that was brough to a halt by meditation, I’d be very interested.

In what seems to be a response to my observation that Americans and Canadians cannot (and should not ever be expected to) concede “responsibility to the rest of humanity” because neither Canadians nor Americans have AUTHORITY over the rest of humanity (and responsibility can only work when it’s commensurate with controlling authority), at 9:25 PM on 12 December we’ve got the spectacular william wallace babbling to me:

I thank you for your words in my answer to a comment
made by ( davidmhoffer) .

davidmhoffer’s post at 5:38 PM on 12 December, perhaps? This wallace whackjob never specified in his post of 6:08 PM just what the hell comments he was addressing, if he was actually addressing anything at all. Ah, but let’s permit Mr. wallace to burble on:

The words as the advice having gave to (davidmhoffer) also applying to you. Thus PLEASE look up my response unto (davidmhoffer). In its reference to meditation as of the (words of peace) site on internet. The videos upon meditation.

Ah. Hm. Hoo, boy. Shake that bagful of granola enough and all the nuts do seem to settle on the bottom, don’t they?
Skipping merrily over the value of discussing “meditation” on a Web log in which the readers and disputants are for the greatest part individuals educated in the sciences and making conscious and particular use of reasoned argument and not appeals to the thalamus and/or the ineffable (with or without the consumption of hallucinogenic substances), has Mr. wallace anything remotely resembling lucid thought on the subject of “responsibility to the rest of humanity” which can be translated into terms by which some apprehensible abstract conceptualization of purposeful human action of some nature might be entertained?
Or (to quote the Reverend Johnson in the wonderful film Blazing Saddles [1974]) “are we just jerking off?”

Tucci78 / Please read my comment to (Neill) which was in regard to american
as canadian / sense of humour. Your having a good sense of humour which is
a tonic of good health. Seeing a humoures side of a dire situation /one’s gifted

william wallace says:
December 12, 2011 at 9:25 pm
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Looks like bot speak, To be ignored.

Clive said
“Okay ..we should not make fun of people. Elizabeth May wherever you are, we are sorry. ”
Al Gored said
“I’m not sorry. I’ve met her.”
* * *
Considering she was quoted as being ” in tears tonight” ( crocodiles tears, maybe) over Canada’s unwillingness to hand over our hard-earned cash like we are on some Great Train Robbery, I’d say the jab still stands.
She also has a brother who makes a nasty habit of trolling message boards and calling everyone the D word, as well as every other word thats not fit to print.
Two peas in a pod.

davidmhoffer / The germans offered a surrender / in a USA deciding
to enter the war /knowing they could not stand against the americans
with its manpower as resources / to continue the war but an futile act.
The USA would not accept GERMANY’S surrender as the WAR t’was
bringing employment / as lifting the USA out of a deep depression a
period that having been time of great poverty for the USA it’s people.
The other reason not stopping the war / an world war was was giving
a USA a military footing on the world stage // an reason in expanding
its military forces / not to defend democracy / freedom but in using its
military might to do as pleased to other nations with threats of violence.
The war could have ended two years earlier / in saving millions of lives
yet the USA refused such / as it t’was not to their pleasing their benefit.
May I add the war was used as cover where people distracted to flood
both BRITAIN as USA with TOBACCO building a massive advertizing of
tobacco ( movies were not bt long adverts for tobacco) it made to look
a wise thing to do / the dying soldier had a cigarettte stuck in his mouth
such was shwn as a act of kindness / by the wars end be it the USA / as
Britain / millions almost half the adult populations addicted unto tobacco..
in time they started dying from tobacco /related illnesses in thousands…
then in millions .. tobacco killing far more than any german bullet bomb.
The tobacco companies continued killing millions and get away with it
as the yearly profits in making were $billions / with such profits they…
then funded political parties // in turn political parties for decades but
turning a blind eye to deaths in hundreds of thousands / the suffering
of their own. Britain / only in the last decade was smoking BANNED in
public places / or the work place / for many british as american people.
In getting just that done being an great struggle // where the politicians
did not support the people / they but supported the tobacco companies.
davidmhoffer / Youv’e been raised where brainwashing started at a early
age / thus the picture painted is not that of reality it but that which youv’e
been brainwashed unto believing / the reality is but far from that believing.

Tucci78 says:
December 12, 2011 at 9:21 pm
Anybody reading here from Down Under prepared to discuss the precarious status of la Gilliard’s excuse for a government and how close it is at present to coming to bits like the proverbial Pakistani hand grenade?
I am sure that Tallbloke can give you a much better picture Tucci78 but for the current Australian political status I would recommend Antony Green’s fine Election Blog (Unlike the rest of the ABC he is extremely impartial):
http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2011/11/future-election-dates.html#more
You will see that the earliest a Federal Election can be held is August 2013 with October 2013 as the most probable.
The added problem for the Coalition is that the Senate which is required to pass all bills does not necessarily match the House of Representatives elections because it is split into 2 blocks. The Senate currently holds a comfortable majority of Labor and Greens for any Gillard reforms such as the carbon tax. It could also block any rescinding of a carbon tax when and if the Coalition oust Gillard from government although if there is landslide against Gillard especially if carbon tax is a major issue this would be unlikely in my opinion.
Even though Gillard runs a minority government in the House of Reps it is likely now that she will run full term as the Independents are now all Labor love-ins and she has just shored up her one seat majority by recruiting an Abbott turncoat as speaker of the House who was going to be sacked by Abbott for a variety of “offences” before the next election.
There is one Labor seat in jeopardy with a member under police investigation for possible fraud and as they say a week is a long time in politics and anything can happen but my bet is that October 2013 will be the day that the baseball bats will come out.
Long time to keep them shiny Huh? But present polling on a two party preferred basis is:
Abbott’s Coalition – 57%
Gillard’s Labor/Green Alliance – 43%.
About 60% of pollsters oppose the carbon tax by about a majority of 2 to 1 so Gillard has a hard task ahead to turn things around especially when she promised just before the election that there would not be one.
SO, the next 18 months will be critical for Gillard. Durban did not help although she is spinning like mad telling the faithful that it was a “landmark” decision and her carbon tax is justified.
If nothing changes much in the world as far as carbon trading is concerned and there are no major heat waves or other extreme events that she can pin on CO2, her government looks doomed and should go down faster than the Titanic. And may not resurface again for a long, long time. All Tony Abbott need do is make sure he doesn’t fall off his bike.