Climategate 2.0 emails – They're real and they're spectacular!

A link to where to download the new FOIA2011.zip file is posted below the fold – This will be a top post for a few days -NEW STORIES APPEAR BELOW THIS ONE -I’ve also reversed the order of the updates to be newest at top for better visibility – Anthony

UPDATE50: 1:15 PM PST 11/30 The genesis of RealClimate.org seems to have been found. Surprisingly, the BBC’s Roger Harrabin seems to have been involved in the genesis meeting.

UPDATE49: 10:00 AM PST 11/30 While not email related, just as Climategate breaks David Suzuki commits an egregious propaganda error second only to the 10:10 video where kids are blown up for not going along with carbon reduction schemes at school. He’s targeting kids and Santa Claus at Christmas – Santa’s home is melting.

UPDATE48: 9:20 AM PST 11/30 Dr. Phil Jones on the  “lack of warming” -he may need a backup plan.

UPDATE47: 9AM PST 11/30 Fudge factor collection in the emails, or is climate modeling a social issue?

UPDATE46: A look at UEA/CRU’s email infrastructure and email systems in general suggests that the “deleted” emails to/from Phil Jones and others at CRU probably still exist and can be subject to FOIA.

UPDATE45: 1:30PM PST 11/29 If there was award for clueless timing, this would win it no contest: Penn State to lecture on “climate ethics”

UPDATE44: 9AM PST 11/29 Mike Mann reprises the role of Captain Queeg in The Cain Mutiny when seeing de Freitas being vindicated by the publisher of Climate Research (see the update in the article).

UPDATE43: 8AM PST 11/29 An Excel Spreadsheet with Climategate 1 and 2 emails ordered chronologically should be helpful in determining that supposedly missing”context”

UPDATE42:  7AM PST 11/29 The CRU crew says:  “what we really meant was…”

UPDATE41: 4AM PST 11/29 James Padget schools Steve Zwick – Guide to Defending the Indefensible. Some people just can’t handle Climategate.

UPDATE40: 12AM PST 11/29 Penn State has the same “look the other way” problem with Climategate as they did with the Jerry Sandusky scandal.

UPDATE39: It seems “vexatious” is Dr. Phil Jones favorite new feeling word after summer 2009.

UPDATE38: Severinghaus says Mike Mann didn’t give a straight answer regarding why trees don’t work as thermometers after 1950

UPDATE37: Climate sensitivity can’t be quantified with the current data according to NCAR’s Wigley, with paleo data – even less so.

UPDATE36: Dr. Chris de Freitas responds to the ugly attempt by The Team at getting him fired.

UPDATE 35: “Stroppy” Dr Roger Pielke Sr. shows just how much a “old boys network” the peer review process is.

UPDATE34: More internal dissent of the hockey stick. Mann tries to beat down the concern over “hide the decline” while not letting the dissenting scientist know there was a decline.

UPDATE33: Gobsmacking! Rob Wilson proves McIntyre and McKittrick correct in an email to colleagues at CRU, showing that when random noise time series are fed into Mike Mann’s procedure, it makes “hockey sticks”. The confirmation that M&M is right never leaves the walls of CRU.

UPDATE32: 9:30PM PST  11/27 BREAKINGCanada to pull out of Kyoto protocol. Another Climategate fallout ?

UPDATE31: 4:30PM PST 11/27 BOMBSHELL An absolutely disgusting string of communications that shows the tribal attempt at getting an editor of a journal fired on made up issues – all because he allowed a publication that didn’t agree with “the Team”. This is ugly, disturbing, and wrong on every level.

UPDATE30: 9:45 AM PST 11/27 Newsbytes. Major crack in the warming wall at the UK prime minister’s office. BBC in collusion with Climategate scientists.

UPDATE29: 9AM PST 11/27 The saga of the missing station data at CRU and the “pants on fire” defense of it as told by Willis Eschenbach. Dr. Phil Jones is between a rock and a hard place, quite.

UPDATE 28: 1:30PM PST 11/26 An email shows the UNFCCC considers activists an essential tool saying “…organized and deeply committed environmental activism has long been an important part of the UNFCCC process…”

UPDATE27: 7AM PST 11/26 Climategate 2 features prominently in WUWT’s newest feature “Hits and Misses

UPDATE26: 2:50 PM 11/25 Two separate examples show obstruction and collusion by members of “The Team” to prevent any dissenting science from being properly considered by the NRC in 2007.

UPDATE25: 2PM 11/25 Keith Briffa asks another colleague to delete email to avoid FOIA

UPDATE24: 1:30PM 11/25 New Climategate 1/2 combined search engine here

UPDATE23: 9AM PST 11/25 via bishop-hill, strange infighting:

#4101 – Edward Cook tells Phil Jones that Mike Mann is “serious enemy” and “vindictive”. Mike Mann had criticized his work.

Apparently Mann went “a little crazy” over a paper showing the MWP exists.

Details here

UPDATE22: 11AM PST 11/24 Am unsurprising admission from a BBC environmental reporter to Dr. Phil Jones that they really have no impartiality at all (ho ho) when it comes to climate issues.

UPDATE21: 9:50AM PST 11/24 “FOIA2011″ and Climategate – A Chinese-POTUS connection?

UPDATE20: 9:30AM PST 11/24 World renowned climatologist Phil Jones can’t even plot a temperature trend line in Excel. I’ve offered a solution that WUWT readers can help with.

UPDATE19: 9AM PST 11/24 Gail Combs finds some disturbing connections between the Team and The World Bank

UPDATE18: 1:45PM Scott Mandia, aka “Supermandia” wins the award for the silliest climategate rebuttal, ever. It’s like stupid on steroids.

UPDATE17: 12:55PM PST 11/23 Dr. Roger Pielke Jr. has an excellent piece on “Gatekeeping” related to Trenberth and the Pielke-Landsea hurricane paper and the IPCC. You may recall Landsea resigned from the IPCC over this. Pielke says: “The gatekeeping of the IPCC process is abundantly clear, and the shadowy suggestion that they can find out who the reviewers are from another colleague is a bit unsettling as well.” Trenberth looks particularly bad here.

UPDATE16: 11:30AM PST 11/23 Insider scientist at CRU says our “reaction to Mike Mann’s errors was not particularly honest” – story here

UPDATE15: 7:50AM 11/23 Ric Werme found an email from the late John L. Daly to Mike Mann and the team – it is well worth a read here

UPDATE14: 2:45 AM PST 11/23 Willis Eschenbach offers a guest post here explaining how his FOIA requests went astray. Mr. David Palmer was the Freedom of Information Officer for the CRU at the time. In the newly released emails, he expresses his frustration with the whole procedure.

UPDATE13: 12:05AM 11/23 Craig Stone writes:

I have published a searchable database of the emails at http://foia2011.org

All email addresses and phone numbers are automatically redacted. It’s extremely rudimentary right now, but I’ll be refining the functionality and improving the search capabilities and navigation over the course of the next week.

UPDATE 12: 9:30 PM PST We’ve known for some time that Al Gore made up a bunch of claims in his AIT movie that simply weren’t true. Now this revelation in the new email batch shows that in the case of Kilimanjaro’s disappearing snows, even Phil Jones and Dr. Lonnie Thompson don’t believe global warming is the cause, even though Thompson put out a press release nearly a year ago saying just that. Told ya so. Pants on fire and all that. Anything for “the cause” right?

UPDATE11: 4:45PM PST Kevin Trenberth gets all misty eyed and sing-songy at Christmas here

UPDATE10: 4:30PM PST Some thoughts on cracking the big remaining all.7z file here

UPDATE9: 2:25PM PST Josh weighs in with the first satirical cartoon here

UPDATE8: 140PM PST Mike Mann shows his true colors:

email 1680.txt

date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:03:05 -0400

from: “Michael E. Mann”..

subject: Re: Something not to pass on

to: Phil Jones

Phil,

I would not respond to this. They will misrepresent and take out of context anything you give them. This is a set up. They will certainly publish this, and will ignore any evidence to the contrary that you provide. s They are going after Wei-Chyung because he’s U.S. and there is a higher threshold for establishing libel. Nonetheless, he should

consider filing a defamation lawsuit, perhaps you too.

I have been talking w/ folks in the states about finding an investigative journalist to investigate and expose McIntyre, and his thusfar unexplored connections with fossil fuel interests.Perhaps the same needs to be done w/ this Keenan guy.

I believe that the only way to stop these people is by exposing them and discrediting them….

UPDATE7: 1:20 PM PST Phil Jones and Tom Wigley calls another scientist (The former state climatologist of California) a “jerk” for publishing his UHI results.

UPDATE6: 12:08PM PST Here’s an email that collaborates a radio interview I did in Seattle with Thomas Peterson in summer 2007, yes these are 100% real emails, no doubt whatsoever now. More here: Climategate 2.0 – NCDC: “Mr. Watts gave a well reasoned position”

UPDATE 5: 11:00AM PST In a statement, UEA doesn’t deny these emails, but posts about the whitewash investigations of the past, like they matter now.

UPDATE4: 9:45 AM PST I’ve changed the headline from Climategate 2.0 to Climategate 2.0  emails – They’re real and they’re spectacular!  with a hat tip to Jerry Seinfeld. The relevance of that headline is particularly interesting in the context of where Dr. James Hansen of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) has his office in NYC.

UPDATE3: 9:25 AM PST – Having read a number of emails, and seeing this quote from Mike Mann in the Guardian:

When asked if they were genuine, he said: “Well, they look like mine but I hardly see anything that appears damning at all, despite them having been taken out of context. I guess they had very little left to work with, having culled in the first round the emails that could most easily be taken out of context to try to make me look bad.”

I’m going to conclude they are the real deal. I’ve posted a BitTorrent link to the file below. One big difference between Climategate 1 and 2 is that in 1, it took days for the MSM to catch on, now they are on top of it.

UPDATE2: 8:45AM PST The Guardian has a story up by Leo Hickman, and this excerpt suggests they may be the real deal:

Norfolk police have said the new set of emails is “of interest” to their investigation to find the perpetrator of the initial email release who has not yet been identified.

The emails appear to be genuine, but this has yet to be confirmed by the University of East Anglia. One of the emailers, the climate scientist Prof Michael Mann, has confirmed that he believes they are his messages.

UPDATE1: 8:20 AM PST These emails have not been verified yet, and this story was posted by one of my moderating staff while I was asleep. Until such time they are verified, tread lightly because without knowing what is behind the rest of the zip file, for all we know it’s a bunch of recipes and collection of  lorem ipsum text files. I’m working to authenticate these now and will report when I know more – Anthony Watts

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Early this morning, history repeated itself. FOIA.org has produced an enormous zip file of 5,000 additional emails similar to those released two years ago in November 2009 and coined Climategate. There are almost 1/4 million additional emails locked behind a password, which the organization does not plan on releasing at this time.

The original link was dropped off in the Hurricane Kenneth thread at about 4 AM Eastern. It is still there.

Some initial snippets floating around the blogosphere:

<3373> Bradley: I’m sure you agree–the Mann/Jones GRL paper was truly pathetic and should never have been published. I don’t want to be associated with that 2000 year

“reconstruction”.

<3115> Mann:  By the way, when is Tom C going to formally publish his roughly 1500 year

reconstruction??? It would help the cause to be able to refer to that

reconstruction as confirming Mann and Jones, etc.

<3940> Mann:  They will (see below) allow us to provide some discussion of the synthetic

example, referring to the J. Cimate paper (which should be finally accepted

upon submission of the revised final draft), so that should help the cause a

bit.

<0810> Mann: I gave up on Judith Curry a while ago. I don’t know what she think’s she’s

doing, but its not helping the cause

<2440> Jones: I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the

process

<2094> Briffa: UEA does not hold the very vast majority of mine [potentially FOIable emails] anyway which I copied onto private storage after the completion of the IPCC

task.

JeffId has some initial reaction

From the ReadMe file:

/// FOIA 2011 — Background and Context ///

“Over 2.5 billion people live on less than $2 a day.”

“Every day nearly 16.000 children die from hunger and related causes.”

“One dollar can save a life” — the opposite must also be true.

“Poverty is a death sentence.”

“Nations must invest $37 trillion in energy technologies by 2030 to stabilize

greenhouse gas emissions at sustainable levels.”

Today’s decisions should be based on all the information we can get, not on

hiding the decline.

This archive contains some 5.000 emails picked from keyword searches. A few

remarks and redactions are marked with triple brackets.

The rest, some 220.000, are encrypted for various reasons. We are not planning

to publicly release the passphrase.

We could not read every one, but tried to cover the most relevant topics such

as…

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Here’s one about UHI that is convincing:

cc: liqx@cma.xxx

date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:16:37 +0800

from: =?gb2312?B?JUQ1JUM1JUMwJUYyJUMzJUY0IA==?= <limmy@xxx>

subject: Re:Re: thank you

to: p.jones@xxx

Dear Phil,

Again I find that the emails from my CMA mail boxes can not get to you.

From attaches please find the data of 42 urban stations and 42 rural stations (by your

list) and a reference of homogenization of the data. we have tested and adjusted the abrupt

discontinuities of the data during 1951-2001, but the following years (2002-2004) has only

been quality controled and added to the end of the series, but we found the relocation

during these 3 years have minor effects on the whole series in most of the stations.

I  partly agree with what Prof. Ren said. and we have done some analysis on the urban heat

island effect in China during past years. The results are differnt with Ren’s. But I think

different methods, data, and selection of the urban and rural stations would be the most

important causes of this. So I think it is high time to give some new studies and graw some

conclusion in this topic.  I hope we can make some new achives on this both on global scale

and in China.

Best

Qingxiang

—– Original Message —–

From: “Phil Jones” < p.jones@xxxx >

To: “Rean Guoyoo” < guoyoo@xxxx >

Cc: “%D5%C5%C0%F2%C3%F4” < limmy@xxx>, < liqx@cma.xxx >

Sent: 2007-09-24 16:25:59 +0800

Subject: Re: thank you

Dear Guoyu,

I think I emailed you from America last week. I am away again next week,

but here this week.

I do think that understanding urban influences are important.  I will

wait for Dr Li Qingxiang to send some data, but there is no rush, as I am

quite busy the next few weeks.

Best Regards

Phil

At 00:59 20/09/2007, you wrote:

The following message was returned back when I sent via cma site. I send it again via

this site. I also forwarded this message to Dr, Li Qingxiang.

Regards,

Guoyu

Dear Phil,

Thank you for your message of Sept 11, 2007. I have just been back from the US. Sorry

for the delayed response.

I noted the discussion on blog sites. This is indeed a big issue in the studies of

climate change.

In the past years, we did some analyses of the urban warming effect on surface air

temperature trends in China, and we found the effect is pretty big in the areas we

analyzed. This is a little different from the result you obtained in 1990. I think there

might be at least three reasons for the difference: (1) the areas chosen in the analyses

are different; (2) the time periods analyzed are obviously varied, and the aft-1990

period is seeing a more rapid warming in most areas of China; (3) the rural stations

used for the analyses are different, and we used some stations which we think could be

more representative for the baseline change.

We have published a few of papers on this topic in Chinese. Unfortunately, when we sent

our comments to the IPCC AR4, they were mostly rejected.

It is my opinion that we need to re-assess the urbanization effect on surface air

temperature records for at least some regions of the continents. I am glad that you are

going to redo it using the updated dataset. I expect you to obtain the new outcome.

As for the dataset, I believe that Dr. Li Qingxiang could give you a hand. He and his

group conducted a lot work of detection and adjustment of the inhomogeneities in the

past years, and the adjusted and the raw datasets are all stored and managed in his

center. The datasets we used are also from his center.

I’d be happy to discuss some issues with you late, but I would not necessarily be as a

co-author because my contribution would be rather minor.

Best regards,

Guoyu

NCC, Beijing

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APACHEWHOKNOWS
November 22, 2011 1:23 pm

A Physicist,
Notwithstaning all of the poor data, bull crap topping does little for the pie.
The old ones had a better long range outlook than your guys via rocks with drawings in Chaco Canyon in New Mexico.
History knows you, history will long remember your support of poor lie pie.
AN APACHEWHOKNOWS

Milo
November 22, 2011 1:23 pm

Phil Plait Professional “skeptic” is already doing is best to dismiss these emails. Its really sad but high predictable from him http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/11/22/climategate-2-more-ado-about-nothing-again/

David Ball
November 22, 2011 1:23 pm

CodeTech says:
November 22, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Nice “Back to the Future” reference. Absolutely hilarious.

J Martin
November 22, 2011 1:28 pm

So the password encrypted emails are part of the download ?
If that’s so then perhaps there’s a chance that someone can crack the key and the public can have access to ALL the emails.
After all, it is our money that pays these so called scientists and our economy they are trying to get our goldfish brained politicians to destroy.

Ken Hall
November 22, 2011 1:29 pm

“2213
“I happen to agree with him and I actually think our statement is too
strong. It almost seems that we are suggesting physical models should be
thought of as empirical ones, which, despite the tuning, I think is an
overstatement. ””
So there is an empirical model of the climate? Wait… Are they saying that there is another full-sized identical earth on the opposite side of the sun from us acting as a model? or as a “control? against which we can test the hypothesis?
If not, then they must be referring to computer models which are anything but empirical.

Latitude
November 22, 2011 1:30 pm

A physicist says:
November 22, 2011 at 12:55 pm
It’s fair to say, however, that the folks who understand the mathematics of climate change science are overwhelmingly more likely to be convinced by the data than folks who lack that grounding; that’s why rational climate-change skepticism absolutely requires a solid grounding in mathematics.
As for the non-rational brand of climate-change skepticism that is mainly grounded in politics-first slogans, cherry-picked data, and witch-hunting … well … that kind of skepticism is becoming (unfortunately) the most common kind.
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….obviously
Jones:
I too don’t see why the schemes should be symmetrical. The temperature ones
certainly will not as we’re choosing the periods to show warming.

Adrian
November 22, 2011 1:30 pm

Ah!
Today is my b-day. Thank you for the nice present.

Barbara Munsey
November 22, 2011 1:31 pm

elmer says:
November 22, 2011 at 9:47 am
What is the catch phrase for my next video? Is their anything as quotable as “Hide the Decline”?
——————————–
I’m sure you’ll think of something, as you are BRILLIANT!

It IS beginning to look a lot like Christmas, and I have every faith in you.

Jason
November 22, 2011 1:31 pm

What is fascinating this time is that the whistleblower has put the WHOLE lot out there, but used aes-256 encryption in 7zip to keep it secure.
It seems to be a deliberate spreading of the information that will require just the leaking of a password to allow thousands of copies to be accessed without downloading anything else.
It seems to be part of a strategy, but what is that strategy?

November 22, 2011 1:32 pm

From Real climate
“Explain this!
Dec 31 23:49 1999
From: Phil Jones
Subject: One world government
To: IPCC-group
Comrades,
Soon our once-great nation will rise from the ashes of the greatest war the world has ever known. Russia has changed. But our lives will not be wasted. The master plan is proceeding apace. Adolf Hitler once said “The great masses will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.” Indeed, the best kept secrets are the ones that everyone knows. Double agent Anthony Watts has a remarkable summary of the global warming charade. Stupidly is his sword and Folly his shield. By placing the truth where everyone can see it — nobody can! Today we have recruited over 2,000 scientists to The Team. To you I say we have only completed a beginning. There remains much that is undone. There are great tricks undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of the truth’s protective layers. Onward.
Phil.”

? !
REPLY: This is a fabricated email, Gavin apparently does not know any better – Anthony

dave ward
November 22, 2011 1:34 pm

It seems that there are some untrustworthy individuals in Norfolk Police:
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/politics/staff_sacked_after_security_breaches_at_police_and_councils_in_norfolk_1_1133024
And other local news:
http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/norwich_mp_to_meet_with_climate_change_group_ahead_of_un_talks_1_1133957
Believe it or not “Norfolk is home to many experts on climate issues”

DirkH
November 22, 2011 1:38 pm

A physicist says:
November 22, 2011 at 12:55 pm
“This article is available “free-as-in-freedom,” and even for folks who don’t care to work through the details, this article provides a very thorough overview of the real mathematical foundations of climate change science.”
Dropping the insults and starting to lecture people about their lack of mathematics skills? You’re on the wrong thread and on the wrong blog. Go find yourself a climate model, SHOW that it has predictive skill and don’t come back before you have done so; take the rest of the warmist cult with you.

More Soylent Green!
November 22, 2011 1:39 pm

Iowa, just like Nebraska but without all the glitz and glitter.

November 22, 2011 1:39 pm

Anthony you may be interested in this one:
Double agent Anthony Watts has a remarkable summary of the global warming charade.
Real climate comment #19
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2011/11/two-year-old-turkey/
REPLY: That’s a completely fictional made up email in a comment, Gavin apparently doesn’t know better – Anthony

Gail Combs
November 22, 2011 1:41 pm

Pete in Cumbria UK says:
November 22, 2011 at 11:02 am
…What is true is that our elected leaders believe it to be true and it is their actions that all these people are talking about- especially that huge and very dangerous thing that will impact on everyone – Carbon Tax…..
_________________________
What is really dangerous is things prepared by “Professional Researchers” Such as Shutdown of the Federal Government: Causes, Processes, and Effect by Clinton T. Brass, Analyst in Government Organization and Management. http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL34680.pdf
I saw one, released by WikiLeaks, about the Animal ID system that ONLY carried the opinions of the 5000 Corporate farms and did not include the opinions of the 2.1 million small farmers. That was several years ago and we are still battling the blasted ID here in the USA. I am expecting it to get rather nasty and lethal if they insist on pushing it through despite the resounding HECK NO!
This climategate /Obama buddies getting all the stimulus/ DOE loans is not going to help convince people that politicians/bureaucrats have the right to rule.

Mr.D.Imwit
November 22, 2011 1:42 pm

You need to amalgamate these Email’s with with the first batch.

Urederra
November 22, 2011 1:43 pm

elmer says:
November 22, 2011 at 10:21 am
@the_Butcher says:
yes, “the cause”
I like it.. I like it a lot

I cannot wait for “the effect”

JimOfCP
November 22, 2011 1:44 pm

Apologies if this already posted, but this news has hit SlashDot and the usual climate fraud deniers are running full tilt!

Latitude
November 22, 2011 1:44 pm

getting funnier………
“We should keep in mind that the climate system is complex, so that it is difficult, if not impossible to define a metric that captures the breadth of physical processes relevant to even a narrow area of focus.”
“[…] we found the [urban warming] effect is pretty big in the areas we analyzed.
This is a little different from the result you obtained in 1990.
[…] We have published a few of papers on this topic in Chinese. Unfortunately, when we sent our comments to the IPCC AR4, they were mostly rejected.”
“What if climate change appears to be just mainly a multidecadal natural fluctuation? They’ll kill us probably.”
‘I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the process’
“It is inconceivable that policymakers will be willing to make billion-and trillion-dollar decisions for adaptation to the projected regional climate change based on models that do not even describe and simulate the processes that are the building blocks of climate variability.”

Christopher Hanley
November 22, 2011 1:44 pm

As they come to the home stretch it’s “slogan-shouting” in the lead (26), closely followed by “cherry-picking” (25), with “witch-hunting” struggling in third (23).

JimOfCP
November 22, 2011 1:45 pm

Apologies if this is already posted, but the Climategate 2.0 news just hit Slashdot. The usual suspects are blaming it on the Koch brothers again.

Gaz
November 22, 2011 1:48 pm

Maybe this will distract everyone from that pesky Berkely Earth Surface Temperature study. You know, the one that confirmed the results of the CRU, NASA, and all the other intrumental temperature records. Good luck with that.

JimOfCP
November 22, 2011 1:50 pm

Gaz says:
November 22, 2011 at 1:48 pm
*****
Oh, you mean that study that included only land records? That one?

TheGoodLocust
November 22, 2011 1:51 pm

Here is my comment that I just “submitted for peer review” at Realclimate:
“So in 1680.txt, why does Michael Mann say that you (Gavin), “usually has thoughtful insights wiith respect to such matters,” when discussing finding a journalist to investigate “fossil fuel connections” and any other dirt they could find in order to discredit McIntyre and Keenan?
Do you have a lot of experience in discrediting people whose work exposes your own?
Don’t worry, I’ll take your silence in this matter as an admission of guilt. “

Dave Wendt
November 22, 2011 1:52 pm

A physicist says:
November 22, 2011 at 12:55 pm
“A terrific example is the article in the November Notices of the American Mathematical Society, by Chen, Laane, Wheeler, and Zhang, titled “Greenhouse Gas Molecules: A Mathematical Perspective.””
Just found your cite. In the first paragraph came upon this
.”The molecules of these gases trap heat in the form of infrared
radiation, causing the atmospheric temperature to rise. But which molecules are the greenhouse
gases, and just how do they trap heat?”
Not a hopeful start.

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