Climategate 2.0 emails – They're real and they're spectacular!

A link to where to download the new FOIA2011.zip file is posted below the fold – This will be a top post for a few days -NEW STORIES APPEAR BELOW THIS ONE -I’ve also reversed the order of the updates to be newest at top for better visibility – Anthony

UPDATE50: 1:15 PM PST 11/30 The genesis of RealClimate.org seems to have been found. Surprisingly, the BBC’s Roger Harrabin seems to have been involved in the genesis meeting.

UPDATE49: 10:00 AM PST 11/30 While not email related, just as Climategate breaks David Suzuki commits an egregious propaganda error second only to the 10:10 video where kids are blown up for not going along with carbon reduction schemes at school. He’s targeting kids and Santa Claus at Christmas – Santa’s home is melting.

UPDATE48: 9:20 AM PST 11/30 Dr. Phil Jones on the  “lack of warming” -he may need a backup plan.

UPDATE47: 9AM PST 11/30 Fudge factor collection in the emails, or is climate modeling a social issue?

UPDATE46: A look at UEA/CRU’s email infrastructure and email systems in general suggests that the “deleted” emails to/from Phil Jones and others at CRU probably still exist and can be subject to FOIA.

UPDATE45: 1:30PM PST 11/29 If there was award for clueless timing, this would win it no contest: Penn State to lecture on “climate ethics”

UPDATE44: 9AM PST 11/29 Mike Mann reprises the role of Captain Queeg in The Cain Mutiny when seeing de Freitas being vindicated by the publisher of Climate Research (see the update in the article).

UPDATE43: 8AM PST 11/29 An Excel Spreadsheet with Climategate 1 and 2 emails ordered chronologically should be helpful in determining that supposedly missing”context”

UPDATE42:  7AM PST 11/29 The CRU crew says:  “what we really meant was…”

UPDATE41: 4AM PST 11/29 James Padget schools Steve Zwick – Guide to Defending the Indefensible. Some people just can’t handle Climategate.

UPDATE40: 12AM PST 11/29 Penn State has the same “look the other way” problem with Climategate as they did with the Jerry Sandusky scandal.

UPDATE39: It seems “vexatious” is Dr. Phil Jones favorite new feeling word after summer 2009.

UPDATE38: Severinghaus says Mike Mann didn’t give a straight answer regarding why trees don’t work as thermometers after 1950

UPDATE37: Climate sensitivity can’t be quantified with the current data according to NCAR’s Wigley, with paleo data – even less so.

UPDATE36: Dr. Chris de Freitas responds to the ugly attempt by The Team at getting him fired.

UPDATE 35: “Stroppy” Dr Roger Pielke Sr. shows just how much a “old boys network” the peer review process is.

UPDATE34: More internal dissent of the hockey stick. Mann tries to beat down the concern over “hide the decline” while not letting the dissenting scientist know there was a decline.

UPDATE33: Gobsmacking! Rob Wilson proves McIntyre and McKittrick correct in an email to colleagues at CRU, showing that when random noise time series are fed into Mike Mann’s procedure, it makes “hockey sticks”. The confirmation that M&M is right never leaves the walls of CRU.

UPDATE32: 9:30PM PST  11/27 BREAKINGCanada to pull out of Kyoto protocol. Another Climategate fallout ?

UPDATE31: 4:30PM PST 11/27 BOMBSHELL An absolutely disgusting string of communications that shows the tribal attempt at getting an editor of a journal fired on made up issues – all because he allowed a publication that didn’t agree with “the Team”. This is ugly, disturbing, and wrong on every level.

UPDATE30: 9:45 AM PST 11/27 Newsbytes. Major crack in the warming wall at the UK prime minister’s office. BBC in collusion with Climategate scientists.

UPDATE29: 9AM PST 11/27 The saga of the missing station data at CRU and the “pants on fire” defense of it as told by Willis Eschenbach. Dr. Phil Jones is between a rock and a hard place, quite.

UPDATE 28: 1:30PM PST 11/26 An email shows the UNFCCC considers activists an essential tool saying “…organized and deeply committed environmental activism has long been an important part of the UNFCCC process…”

UPDATE27: 7AM PST 11/26 Climategate 2 features prominently in WUWT’s newest feature “Hits and Misses

UPDATE26: 2:50 PM 11/25 Two separate examples show obstruction and collusion by members of “The Team” to prevent any dissenting science from being properly considered by the NRC in 2007.

UPDATE25: 2PM 11/25 Keith Briffa asks another colleague to delete email to avoid FOIA

UPDATE24: 1:30PM 11/25 New Climategate 1/2 combined search engine here

UPDATE23: 9AM PST 11/25 via bishop-hill, strange infighting:

#4101 – Edward Cook tells Phil Jones that Mike Mann is “serious enemy” and “vindictive”. Mike Mann had criticized his work.

Apparently Mann went “a little crazy” over a paper showing the MWP exists.

Details here

UPDATE22: 11AM PST 11/24 Am unsurprising admission from a BBC environmental reporter to Dr. Phil Jones that they really have no impartiality at all (ho ho) when it comes to climate issues.

UPDATE21: 9:50AM PST 11/24 “FOIA2011″ and Climategate – A Chinese-POTUS connection?

UPDATE20: 9:30AM PST 11/24 World renowned climatologist Phil Jones can’t even plot a temperature trend line in Excel. I’ve offered a solution that WUWT readers can help with.

UPDATE19: 9AM PST 11/24 Gail Combs finds some disturbing connections between the Team and The World Bank

UPDATE18: 1:45PM Scott Mandia, aka “Supermandia” wins the award for the silliest climategate rebuttal, ever. It’s like stupid on steroids.

UPDATE17: 12:55PM PST 11/23 Dr. Roger Pielke Jr. has an excellent piece on “Gatekeeping” related to Trenberth and the Pielke-Landsea hurricane paper and the IPCC. You may recall Landsea resigned from the IPCC over this. Pielke says: “The gatekeeping of the IPCC process is abundantly clear, and the shadowy suggestion that they can find out who the reviewers are from another colleague is a bit unsettling as well.” Trenberth looks particularly bad here.

UPDATE16: 11:30AM PST 11/23 Insider scientist at CRU says our “reaction to Mike Mann’s errors was not particularly honest” – story here

UPDATE15: 7:50AM 11/23 Ric Werme found an email from the late John L. Daly to Mike Mann and the team – it is well worth a read here

UPDATE14: 2:45 AM PST 11/23 Willis Eschenbach offers a guest post here explaining how his FOIA requests went astray. Mr. David Palmer was the Freedom of Information Officer for the CRU at the time. In the newly released emails, he expresses his frustration with the whole procedure.

UPDATE13: 12:05AM 11/23 Craig Stone writes:

I have published a searchable database of the emails at http://foia2011.org

All email addresses and phone numbers are automatically redacted. It’s extremely rudimentary right now, but I’ll be refining the functionality and improving the search capabilities and navigation over the course of the next week.

UPDATE 12: 9:30 PM PST We’ve known for some time that Al Gore made up a bunch of claims in his AIT movie that simply weren’t true. Now this revelation in the new email batch shows that in the case of Kilimanjaro’s disappearing snows, even Phil Jones and Dr. Lonnie Thompson don’t believe global warming is the cause, even though Thompson put out a press release nearly a year ago saying just that. Told ya so. Pants on fire and all that. Anything for “the cause” right?

UPDATE11: 4:45PM PST Kevin Trenberth gets all misty eyed and sing-songy at Christmas here

UPDATE10: 4:30PM PST Some thoughts on cracking the big remaining all.7z file here

UPDATE9: 2:25PM PST Josh weighs in with the first satirical cartoon here

UPDATE8: 140PM PST Mike Mann shows his true colors:

email 1680.txt

date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:03:05 -0400

from: “Michael E. Mann”..

subject: Re: Something not to pass on

to: Phil Jones

Phil,

I would not respond to this. They will misrepresent and take out of context anything you give them. This is a set up. They will certainly publish this, and will ignore any evidence to the contrary that you provide. s They are going after Wei-Chyung because he’s U.S. and there is a higher threshold for establishing libel. Nonetheless, he should

consider filing a defamation lawsuit, perhaps you too.

I have been talking w/ folks in the states about finding an investigative journalist to investigate and expose McIntyre, and his thusfar unexplored connections with fossil fuel interests.Perhaps the same needs to be done w/ this Keenan guy.

I believe that the only way to stop these people is by exposing them and discrediting them….

UPDATE7: 1:20 PM PST Phil Jones and Tom Wigley calls another scientist (The former state climatologist of California) a “jerk” for publishing his UHI results.

UPDATE6: 12:08PM PST Here’s an email that collaborates a radio interview I did in Seattle with Thomas Peterson in summer 2007, yes these are 100% real emails, no doubt whatsoever now. More here: Climategate 2.0 – NCDC: “Mr. Watts gave a well reasoned position”

UPDATE 5: 11:00AM PST In a statement, UEA doesn’t deny these emails, but posts about the whitewash investigations of the past, like they matter now.

UPDATE4: 9:45 AM PST I’ve changed the headline from Climategate 2.0 to Climategate 2.0  emails – They’re real and they’re spectacular!  with a hat tip to Jerry Seinfeld. The relevance of that headline is particularly interesting in the context of where Dr. James Hansen of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) has his office in NYC.

UPDATE3: 9:25 AM PST – Having read a number of emails, and seeing this quote from Mike Mann in the Guardian:

When asked if they were genuine, he said: “Well, they look like mine but I hardly see anything that appears damning at all, despite them having been taken out of context. I guess they had very little left to work with, having culled in the first round the emails that could most easily be taken out of context to try to make me look bad.”

I’m going to conclude they are the real deal. I’ve posted a BitTorrent link to the file below. One big difference between Climategate 1 and 2 is that in 1, it took days for the MSM to catch on, now they are on top of it.

UPDATE2: 8:45AM PST The Guardian has a story up by Leo Hickman, and this excerpt suggests they may be the real deal:

Norfolk police have said the new set of emails is “of interest” to their investigation to find the perpetrator of the initial email release who has not yet been identified.

The emails appear to be genuine, but this has yet to be confirmed by the University of East Anglia. One of the emailers, the climate scientist Prof Michael Mann, has confirmed that he believes they are his messages.

UPDATE1: 8:20 AM PST These emails have not been verified yet, and this story was posted by one of my moderating staff while I was asleep. Until such time they are verified, tread lightly because without knowing what is behind the rest of the zip file, for all we know it’s a bunch of recipes and collection of  lorem ipsum text files. I’m working to authenticate these now and will report when I know more – Anthony Watts

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Early this morning, history repeated itself. FOIA.org has produced an enormous zip file of 5,000 additional emails similar to those released two years ago in November 2009 and coined Climategate. There are almost 1/4 million additional emails locked behind a password, which the organization does not plan on releasing at this time.

The original link was dropped off in the Hurricane Kenneth thread at about 4 AM Eastern. It is still there.

Some initial snippets floating around the blogosphere:

<3373> Bradley: I’m sure you agree–the Mann/Jones GRL paper was truly pathetic and should never have been published. I don’t want to be associated with that 2000 year

“reconstruction”.

<3115> Mann:  By the way, when is Tom C going to formally publish his roughly 1500 year

reconstruction??? It would help the cause to be able to refer to that

reconstruction as confirming Mann and Jones, etc.

<3940> Mann:  They will (see below) allow us to provide some discussion of the synthetic

example, referring to the J. Cimate paper (which should be finally accepted

upon submission of the revised final draft), so that should help the cause a

bit.

<0810> Mann: I gave up on Judith Curry a while ago. I don’t know what she think’s she’s

doing, but its not helping the cause

<2440> Jones: I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the

process

<2094> Briffa: UEA does not hold the very vast majority of mine [potentially FOIable emails] anyway which I copied onto private storage after the completion of the IPCC

task.

JeffId has some initial reaction

From the ReadMe file:

/// FOIA 2011 — Background and Context ///

“Over 2.5 billion people live on less than $2 a day.”

“Every day nearly 16.000 children die from hunger and related causes.”

“One dollar can save a life” — the opposite must also be true.

“Poverty is a death sentence.”

“Nations must invest $37 trillion in energy technologies by 2030 to stabilize

greenhouse gas emissions at sustainable levels.”

Today’s decisions should be based on all the information we can get, not on

hiding the decline.

This archive contains some 5.000 emails picked from keyword searches. A few

remarks and redactions are marked with triple brackets.

The rest, some 220.000, are encrypted for various reasons. We are not planning

to publicly release the passphrase.

We could not read every one, but tried to cover the most relevant topics such

as…

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Here’s one about UHI that is convincing:

cc: liqx@cma.xxx

date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:16:37 +0800

from: =?gb2312?B?JUQ1JUM1JUMwJUYyJUMzJUY0IA==?= <limmy@xxx>

subject: Re:Re: thank you

to: p.jones@xxx

Dear Phil,

Again I find that the emails from my CMA mail boxes can not get to you.

From attaches please find the data of 42 urban stations and 42 rural stations (by your

list) and a reference of homogenization of the data. we have tested and adjusted the abrupt

discontinuities of the data during 1951-2001, but the following years (2002-2004) has only

been quality controled and added to the end of the series, but we found the relocation

during these 3 years have minor effects on the whole series in most of the stations.

I  partly agree with what Prof. Ren said. and we have done some analysis on the urban heat

island effect in China during past years. The results are differnt with Ren’s. But I think

different methods, data, and selection of the urban and rural stations would be the most

important causes of this. So I think it is high time to give some new studies and graw some

conclusion in this topic.  I hope we can make some new achives on this both on global scale

and in China.

Best

Qingxiang

—– Original Message —–

From: “Phil Jones” < p.jones@xxxx >

To: “Rean Guoyoo” < guoyoo@xxxx >

Cc: “%D5%C5%C0%F2%C3%F4” < limmy@xxx>, < liqx@cma.xxx >

Sent: 2007-09-24 16:25:59 +0800

Subject: Re: thank you

Dear Guoyu,

I think I emailed you from America last week. I am away again next week,

but here this week.

I do think that understanding urban influences are important.  I will

wait for Dr Li Qingxiang to send some data, but there is no rush, as I am

quite busy the next few weeks.

Best Regards

Phil

At 00:59 20/09/2007, you wrote:

The following message was returned back when I sent via cma site. I send it again via

this site. I also forwarded this message to Dr, Li Qingxiang.

Regards,

Guoyu

Dear Phil,

Thank you for your message of Sept 11, 2007. I have just been back from the US. Sorry

for the delayed response.

I noted the discussion on blog sites. This is indeed a big issue in the studies of

climate change.

In the past years, we did some analyses of the urban warming effect on surface air

temperature trends in China, and we found the effect is pretty big in the areas we

analyzed. This is a little different from the result you obtained in 1990. I think there

might be at least three reasons for the difference: (1) the areas chosen in the analyses

are different; (2) the time periods analyzed are obviously varied, and the aft-1990

period is seeing a more rapid warming in most areas of China; (3) the rural stations

used for the analyses are different, and we used some stations which we think could be

more representative for the baseline change.

We have published a few of papers on this topic in Chinese. Unfortunately, when we sent

our comments to the IPCC AR4, they were mostly rejected.

It is my opinion that we need to re-assess the urbanization effect on surface air

temperature records for at least some regions of the continents. I am glad that you are

going to redo it using the updated dataset. I expect you to obtain the new outcome.

As for the dataset, I believe that Dr. Li Qingxiang could give you a hand. He and his

group conducted a lot work of detection and adjustment of the inhomogeneities in the

past years, and the adjusted and the raw datasets are all stored and managed in his

center. The datasets we used are also from his center.

I’d be happy to discuss some issues with you late, but I would not necessarily be as a

co-author because my contribution would be rather minor.

Best regards,

Guoyu

NCC, Beijing

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wsbriggs
November 22, 2011 12:44 pm

Correction: your bridge

Stephen Brown
November 22, 2011 12:46 pm

This is 5341.txt from the newly released information. Bolding is mine.
date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 16:09:24 +0000 (GMT)
from: Robert Nicholls
subject: Re: IMPORTANT:NATURE COMMENTARY
to: m.hulme@xxx.xx.uk, nwa1@xxxxx.xx.uk, arnell61@xxx.xx PARRYML@xxx.xx
All numbers are correct and I find the new text fine. The two
additional paragraphs make an excellent case for adaptation.
However, an implicit message of Table 2 is that adaptation could
handle climate change alone (the -15% option), so why are we worrying
about mitigation? I think that this will be noted by many readers and
it would be best if the piece had an explicit view on this, or delete
the -15% option.
We could note the long-term benefits of mitigation
earlier in the piece (like GEC), or alternatively the cummulative
threats of an unmitigated pathway.
The only other change I would suggest is to table 1. Remove sea-level
rise and replace with “coastal flooding (per year)”.

Robert
______________________________________________________________________
Note New Fax Number Below
Robert J. Nicholls
Middlesex University
Queensway
Enfield EN3 4SF
United Kingdom
44-181-362-5569 (Tel and answer phone)
44-181-362-6957 (Fax)
R.nicholls@xxx.xx

November 22, 2011 12:48 pm

A physicist says:
November 22, 2011 at 11:52 am
Missouri! That’s the country we bottom-tier-county Iowa farmkids always called “lower Iowa.” We also called it “lapland” `cuz it’s where Iowa laps down into Missouri. :).

Love these interstate jibes! Another for my collection!!

commieBob
November 22, 2011 12:48 pm

A physicist says:
November 22, 2011 at 11:52 am
The history shows plainly that — much like America’s Founders — America’s scientists have been pretty much right-on-target for eighteen decades in a row … which oughtta be enough to convince even the folks in Missouri that the scientists most likely have got it right in the present decade too.

This is not scientists vs. ‘the great unwashed masses’. There are two groups of scientists in this debate. One side believes that man made CO2 in the atmosphere will cause catastrophic warming. The other side does not. There are more on one side than the other but that does not make them right. In fact, the ‘skeptic’ side has some quite senior and distinguished scientists whose expert judgment should not be easily discounted.

Karl Maki
November 22, 2011 12:48 pm

UPDATE6: 12:08PM PST Here’s an email that collaborates a radio interview…
Are you sure that shouldn’t read that the email is corroborated by the radio interview?

Crispin in Waterloo
November 22, 2011 12:48 pm

@A physicist
You do not sound like a physicist.
“Prominent non-skeptic farming organizations include 4H and FFA (if you’re from a farm-family, you won’t have to ask what those are).”
I attended a FFA meeting in Iowa and realised for the first time there is a BrownShirts movement in rural America. Why on earth would they support CAGW?? All Canadian farmers have the good sense to know that the climate is cooling (outside town) and they are getting some extra growth from the extra CO2 to compensate for it. The rest is noise
4H?? Like 4H is full of graduate engineers. The last guy I know who was a member sold his cow and bought a motorcycle.
I agree that “A physicist” is a bot. A dumb one at that. There is a clown at RC boasting about dupes not realising they are talking to a computer generated load of generic AGW tripe. “A Physicist” is using the same boilerplate without the links to shoddy papers and hollow rebuttals.
From now on we will be able to say, “You sound more like “A Physicist” than a physicist” when they mean, “You are talking crap.”

Jason
November 22, 2011 12:49 pm

I just left this on RC:
Straight question to Gavin.
Mike Mann said in one email:
“I have been talking w/ folks in the states about finding an
investigative journalist to investigate and expose McIntyre, and his
thusfar unexplored connections with fossil fuel interests.Perhaps the
same needs to be done w/ this Keenan guy.
I believe that the only way to stop these people is by exposing them and
discrediting them.
Do you mind if I send this on to Gavin Schmidt (w/ a request to respect
the confidentiality with which you have provided it) for his additional
advice/thoughts? He usually has thoughtful insights wiith respect to
such matters….”
Putting climate science to one side, and ignoring the obvious question “did he pass this on to you”, do you think it is acceptable for a climate scientist to consider what Mann suggested doing?
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Lets see if their open anwsering if questions continues.

codehead
November 22, 2011 12:51 pm

“UPDATE6: 12:08PM PST Here’s an email that collaborates a radio interview I did…”
I know that you meant to type “corroborates”…

Matt
November 22, 2011 12:53 pm

UPDATE4: 9:45 AM PST I’ve changed the headline from Climategate 2.0 to Climategate 2.0 emails – They’re real and they’re spectacular! with a hat tip to Jerry Seinfeld.
Shouldn’t the hat tip be to Teri Hatcher?

A physicist
November 22, 2011 12:55 pm

Stonyground says:

It is a bit difficult to see how we could do an in depth analysis of climate data when those involved fight tooth and nail to prevent their data entering the public domain.

Stonyground, there’s tons of climate data available and has been for many years (and more data coming on-line every month).
Equally importantly, mathematicians and scientists around the world are working overtime to give folks all the mathematical tools they need to analyze that climate data.
A terrific example is the article in the November Notices of the American Mathematical Society, by Chen, Laane, Wheeler, and Zhang, titled “Greenhouse Gas Molecules: A Mathematical Perspective.”
This article is available “free-as-in-freedom,” and even for folks who don’t care to work through the details, this article provides a very thorough overview of the real mathematical foundations of climate change science.
Now, it is natural to hope that both climate science, and skepticism of that science, do not require any grounding in mathematics — needless to say, that hope isn’t realistic.
It’s fair to say, however, that the folks who understand the mathematics of climate change science are overwhelmingly more likely to be convinced by the data than folks who lack that grounding; that’s why rational climate-change skepticism absolutely requires a solid grounding in mathematics.
As for the non-rational brand of climate-change skepticism that is mainly grounded in politics-first slogans, cherry-picked data, and witch-hunting … well … that kind of skepticism is becoming (unfortunately) the most common kind.

Alex the skeptic
November 22, 2011 12:56 pm

Climategate Season 2 Episode 1. Darn, cannot find one single bag of pop corn from any corner shop anywhere round the neighbouring ten blocks. I’ll stick to finger nails.

Ray
November 22, 2011 12:57 pm

Out of context?
I think the context is well established… and lots of emails give enough context to see The Game The Team Plays.

Dave Springer
November 22, 2011 12:57 pm

@Anthony
“They’re real and they’re spectacular”
LOL – I recognized it without the attribution.
Mann Hands might be experiencing some shrinkage right about now. And those other two face characters as well. But we celebrate here. For the rest of us, Festivus!

Richard M
November 22, 2011 12:57 pm

As others have indicated this release appears to be more of a threat to the team. Come clean NOW guys or you will regret it.
This makes be believe our whistleblower actually knows one or more of the team and is trying to get them to finally admit the truth. He doesn’t want to make it SO OBVIOUS that a caveman could figure it out. But he WILL do it if they continue to hide the truth.
It makes me believe there is some obvious evidence of illegal activities.
PS. Elmer … liked it, hopefully a new song is in our future.

Skeptik
November 22, 2011 1:00 pm

It took 1h:15m for the first troll to respond, and 2h:32m for the same troll (from her/his handle, claiming to be ‘A physicist’, but using only non-Physics arguments). The ‘Rapid Response Unit’ is broken – or its ghast is flabbered by the release!
Use proper scientists to respond under scientific handles. If it’s just ‘believers’ – who cares? There’s one born every minute.

Bulldust
November 22, 2011 1:01 pm

Seems I am a little late to the party this time… though I approve of the name ClimateGate 2.0 😀

Gail Combs
November 22, 2011 1:02 pm

Jeff says:
November 22, 2011 at 10:11 am
2212, Phil Jones: “Don’t put too much faith in the models”
though not clear to me which models he is discussing, perhaps someone more familiar with this stuff can help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Try WUWT: http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2011/11/20/tamino-misses-the-point-and-attempts-to-distract-his-readers/

Latitude
November 22, 2011 1:03 pm

A physicist says:
November 22, 2011 at 11:52 am
The serious way to gather facts is to begin 180 years ago, on the American Institute of Physics web site “The Discovery of Global Warming: Timeline.”
The history shows plainly that — much like America’s Founders — America’s scientists have been pretty much right-on-target for eighteen decades in a row … which oughtta be enough to convince even the folks in Missouri that the scientists most likely have got it right in the present decade too.
==========================
At least they are not still lying and worshiping weather Gods … throwing virgins in volcanoes and requiring other sacrifices and payments from the general public…..
of course I’m kidding……everyone knows they are still doing that
This racket has been going on since the first shyster put on a feather hat

Tom
November 22, 2011 1:07 pm

physicist,
What is “slogan-shouting, cherry-picking, or witch-hunting” but a slogan. You repeat it and other variants over and over.

Matt G
November 22, 2011 1:08 pm

A physicist says:
November 22, 2011 at 9:53 am
17 years of warming is cherry picking and the only period that the scare has been based on. (blue graph)
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1998/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1998/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1998/trend/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1998/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1980/to:1998/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1980/to:1998/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1934/to:1980/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1934/to:1980/trend
Based on whats happened before and after, the planet Earth demonstrates natural cycles dominate.

David L
November 22, 2011 1:13 pm

X-mas comes early!!!! What a nice present. I remember a month or two ago someone around here was speculating (more like wishful thinking) of more email leaks sometime this fall. Well, they’re here! I can’t wait for the thorough dissection and commentaries!!!

Gail Combs
November 22, 2011 1:14 pm

Steve In S.C. says:
November 22, 2011 at 10:26 am
Stock tip of the day:
ConAgra Foods, Inc. Common Stoc(NYSE: CAG )
providers of ActII and Orville Redenbacher brands of popcorn.
________________________________
I would not touch ConAgra for all the money in the world. (Or eat their food)
The Conagra-gate scandal:
“Shielding the Giant: USDA’s ‘Don’t Look, Don’t Know’ Policy for Beef Inspection.”
http://www.whistleblower.org/storage/documents/Shielding_the_Giant_Final_PDF.pdf

David Ball
November 22, 2011 1:15 pm

My gran used to say ” Your sins will find you out”.
She also used to say ” It’s going to end in tears” when we were rough-housing.
Looks like both are applicable here.

Alix James
November 22, 2011 1:18 pm

“Skeptik says:
November 22, 2011 at 1:00 pm
It took 1h:15m for the first troll to respond, and 2h:32m for the same troll (from her/his handle, claiming to be ‘A physicist’, but using only non-Physics arguments). The ‘Rapid Response Unit’ is broken – or its ghast is flabbered by the release!
Use proper scientists to respond under scientific handles. If it’s just ‘believers’ – who cares? There’s one born every minute.”
Heh. I think this might be an example of “red shirt syndrome”, i.e., the ensign with the red shirt on the away mission on “Star Trek” is laser fodder. Why waste front line troops clearing the land mines? Send in the donkeys first.
Although, they are progressing through the “7 stages of grief” fairly quickly this time.
Stage 1: they aren’t real emails
Stage 2: they are real emails but they aren’t in context
Stage 3: they are in context, but that’s how scientists work
Stage 4: ok, this isn’t really science, but you guys stole the emails!
Stage 5: this is old stuff
Stage 6: this is nothing
Stage 7: look everyone! Winter storm! See, we have proof of our theories now.
Repeat as needed

Dave Springer
November 22, 2011 1:22 pm

Kaboom says:
November 22, 2011 at 6:58 am
If the ZIP is all text it should be quite vulnerable to brute force cracking by using known information (i.e. email addresses, keywords/phrases) in it.
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the same thought occurred to me

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