Little Bubbles, part 1

Guest Post by Caleb Shaw

Ice core sample from Antarctica - Image: British Antarctic Survey
Preface:  Climate Scientists and School Girls – A humorous description of a layman trying to investigate the little bubbles in ice cores,  involving both the actual science,  and a layman’s amazement over the politics.

My last layman’s paper generated a wonderful and polite peer-review from WUWT readers, teaching me a great deal, not the least of which was that I should avoid using the word “pneumatic” when I mean “hydraulic.”  It is in the hopes of receiving a similar polite response that I will venture to ask some questions about a Climate Gospel, even though it is a Climate Gospel that earns most questioners a severe pummeling.

I will attempt to be cheerfully naïve, however in some situations that is not enough.  A Texan can be cheerful and naïve all he wants, but, when he is making cheeseburgers out of a Holy Cow in a Hindu village, he is liable to find he has a riot on his hands.  There are some things Thou Shall Not Do.  Sometimes Thou Shall Not Even Question.

My questions involve those little bubbles in ice cores.  It may seem a harmless subject,  but those little bubbles are a basement upon which a great many papers have been written, and upon which a great many grants depend.  Dare you question the little bubbles,  and all sorts of hell breaks lose.

In fact if you poke around the subject of those little bubbles your don’t-go-there alarm will start to go off,  along with your I-don’t-have-time-for-this alarm, (if you have one.) However sometimes a man’s got to do what he least wants to do.

As anyone who has raised teenaged daughters understands, there are times when you have “to go there,” despite the fact your don’t-go-there alarm is blaring, and times you have to make time, even though your I-don’t-have-time-for-this alarm is howling.

Daughters teach a man that, despite all efforts to ban bullying and legislate spirituality, ostracism remains mysteriously crucial to schoolgirl adolescence, and the same daughter who was sobbing about being ostracized on Monday may be gleaming with glee over a nemesis being ostracized on Tuesday.  Fathers often have to make sense of this emotional and blatant hypocrisy, even if it means turning off the TV just before the big game.

You may be wondering what this has to do with little bubbles in ice caps.  I don’t blame you, but bear with me.

Please notice that, in the above example, it is the daughters doing the teaching. They are teaching their fathers about wild swings of emotion involved with having a non-scientific and supposedly irrational thing called “a heart.”

Scientists don’t like being compared with schoolgirls, because, in humanity’s constant battle to balance the heart and head, Science represents the purified essence of the head.  However just because Science focuses on the head does not mean Scientists have no hearts. “If you prick them, do they not bleed?”

The only thing a scientist is suppose to be passionate about is being dispassionate, however in their quieter moments most will confess there have been times they’ve failed to be totally objective, and have slapped themselves on the forehead because they were blind to some obvious truth staring them in the face.  However even this humbleness underscores an egotism they have about being more objective than most people.  Also, if anyone is going to slap their forehead, they prefer it to be themselves.  They don’t like it one bit when you compare them with schoolgirls.  They get all emotional if you accuse them of being emotional.

Nothing makes people angry faster than accusing them of being angry when they’re not.  A calm, peaceful soul can be reduced to frothing and to spitting snakes, because no one likes being falsely accused.  You can get them even madder if , after you have angered them by accusing them of being angry when they weren’t, you look smug and say, “See?  I told you that you were angry.”

Scientists are no different, and if you tweak them in the right way, then they, who are so focused on the head, will lose their heads and demonstrate they have tremendous hearts. Sometimes the revealed heart is tremendously good, but sometimes it is tremendously otherwise.

Scientists do not like being tweaked in this manner, because that is not what science is all about.  Raving is beneath the dignity of science.  However, when politics enters the hallowed halls of science, scientists get tweaked plenty,  for study is no longer funded for its intrinsic value.  A scientist may abruptly be defunded due to an election.  Men are jarred awake in their Ivory Towers, as they are confronted by a mentality befitting thirteen-year-old schoolgirls:  It matters who is “in” and who is “out.”

Therefore, despite all my shortcoming concerning Physics classes I never took, (or preferred to spend dreaming out the window during,) I do have an understanding others lack, as I approach the delicate subject of little bubbles in an icecap’s ice, because I have been the father of schoolgirls, and know the politics of ostracization and marginalization, and what such things do to the human heart and to human tempers.

One can study both the little bubbles, and also the path to marginalization, by taking a hard look at the travails of Zbigniew Jaworowski.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=25526754-e53a-4899-84af-5d9089a5dcb6&p=3

And also looking at a paper he wrote:

http://folk.uio.no/tomvs/esef/Jaworowski%20CO2%20EIR%202007.pdf

A quick perusal of Jaworoski’s paper taught me that all sorts of complex chemistry may (or may not) being going on in those innocent little bubbles,  but most of the chemistry was over my head.  Not that I couldn’t understand, if I put my mind to it, but I actually had some simple questions, and, until I got those simple questions answered, it seemed I’d be getting ahead of myself if I tackled the complex chemistry.

Therefore I headed to Wikipedia.  Not that I trust it as a source, but it often has links to truer sources, and one hopes Wikipedia gets the most basic facts right.

However even in terms of the most basic facts I seemed to be getting a wide variety of answers.  For example,  how long does it take fluffy snow to be compacted to ice with little bubbles in it?  The answers I got ranged from sixty to five-thousand years.

Likely this variance occurred due to the fact Antarctica includes some areas of very dry desert, where snow accumulates very slowly, whereas Greenland is subject to  Atlantic gales, and snow can accumulate very quickly.  However it was unclear which data-set was being referred to, and that made things rough for a layman like myself.  I had to keep switching back and forth from source to source, and then, when I went back to find an important link at the Wikipedia source, “Greenland ice cores,” just a week ago, I found it had vanished,  and instead there was this message:

06, 12 September 2011 Timothy’s Cannes (talk | contrib.) deleted “Greenland ice cores” ‎ (Mass deletion of pages created by Marshallsumter: questionable creation by now-indeffed editor: see

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=449961454&oldid=449959111)

As a scientific researcher, my conclusion at this point was, “Oh, Drat.”

Unless you are the sort who rushes in where angels fear to tread, do not, I repeat, DO NOT go to that Wikipedia message board.  I only went because I wanted to see what ice core data “Mashallsumter” got wrong.  As far as I could tell from the morass I waded out into,  the reason “Greenland ice cores” was deleted had nothing to do with the data on that  page,  but rather had to do with some strange beliefs “Mashallsumter” was expressing, and strange research he was involved with, elsewhere in the Wiki-world.

I didn’t much want to know about the fellow’s beliefs and activities, as it seemed to have very little to do with little bubbles in ice, but I couldn’t help notice the marvelous effort that was made to throw “Mashallsumter” from the hallowed halls of Wiki. He was found guilty of both the crime of being original, and the crime of copying.  (What is the third alternative?)  In any case,  “Greenland ice cores” was history, and was history in a hurry, and was deleted history, which hardly counts as history because you can’t find it.

At this point I almost gave up my research, because it occurred to me that something about the study of little bubbles in ice cores makes people weird.  I did not want to become weird.  However my wife reassured me I had nothing to fear, because I already am weird, and that gave me the courage to forge onwards.

part two tomorrow…

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Jim Hodgen
October 31, 2011 7:02 pm

I await the sequel with bated breath… has there been disallowed chemistry going on between water and dissolved gases when under high pressure? Have the been pH changes that change the solubility of CO- and H+ ions during a long period of non-STP conditions? Could there be some doubt about the validity of atmospheric CO2 concentrations from gas bubbles from 500 to 5,000 decades ago?
Whatever could it be? Whatever could it mean?

R. Shearer
October 31, 2011 7:11 pm

Can’t wait for part 2, trick or treat?

Ian W
October 31, 2011 7:11 pm

You are bound to get that reaction as you are hitting a little below the firn 😉

pyromancer76
October 31, 2011 7:12 pm

Caleb Shaw, glad you are questioning those bubbles in the ice cores. If it takes an adolescent daughter for the enlightenment inspiration, more power to you. “But those little bubbles are a basement upon which a great many papers have been written.” Sixty to 5,000 years, huh? If people (scientists are people?) get wierd around bubbles in ice cores, I understand why you were worried about being wierd just contemplating them. I have had many questions about the articles telling us what Earth’s climate is/has-been due to proof from ice cores. I very much look forward to Part 2 — tweaking?. I commend you for taking highly inconvenient time for a daughter’s emotional “issues”.

Mike Bromley the Kurd
October 31, 2011 7:20 pm

Baited Breath, I exhale!

Robert of Ottawa
October 31, 2011 7:21 pm

An interesting account of an honest man’s search.
P.S try googling ice core bubbles rather than rely on Wiki

October 31, 2011 7:21 pm

I’m also skeptical of the little bubbles.
First, they show a tripling of atmospheric methane over the last 150 years, supposedly due to man-made emissions. But the methane rise has disappeared even though manmade emissions continue to rise.
Second, the ice core data conflicts with leaf stomata proxies.
Cheers!

Carbon-based life form
October 31, 2011 7:22 pm

Tiny Bubbles, in the brine
Make me warm all over…

Noelene
October 31, 2011 7:25 pm

I like your style of writing,very funny,but gets the message across.

Garacka
October 31, 2011 7:32 pm

Frank
October 31, 2011 7:34 pm

I too have questioned those little bubbles, and the “science” based on them. Scientists are retrieving the air trapped in these bubbles and making assumptions that the air trapped in these bubbles is representative of the atmosphere at the time the air was trapped. For me, many questions pop into my mind about these assumptions.
How much of the CO2 becomes absorbed into the surrounding ice matrix, like CO2 in soda pop?
How much of the CO2 migrates through the ice, and is this migration at the same rate as the oxygen and nitrogen, or does CO2 concentration shift relative to O2 and N2?
How much CO2 is adsorbed by the ice crystal surfaces, does it release when the bubble is sampled, and does any of it get absorbed by liquid water during the sample process.
How much of the CO2 reacts with the water and forms carbonic acid?
Not that long ago I saw an article about viable micro-organisms being found in cores of ancient ice. How has the metabolism of these living micro-organisms affected CO2 concentrations?
Some molecules, like methane, can form hydrates with ice under cold and pressure; can CO2 form hydrates?
With cold and pressure, can small amounts of CO2 which migrate into the ice crystals congregate into pockets of dry ice?
Until every one of these questions was researched and definitely answered, I wouldn’t trust the absolute values of CO2 concentrations, though relative values might show trends with reasonable accuracy…

Area Man
October 31, 2011 7:34 pm

As a very wise man once said, “When a Texan fancies takin’ chances, chances will be taken, and that’s for sure. “

October 31, 2011 7:35 pm

We need someone to lead the board in a round of
“Tiny Bubbles” while we wait.
I’m worried about you Caleb – many a bubble has been burst due to something that was there one day and gone the next on Wikipedia.

Dreadnought
October 31, 2011 7:35 pm

Very intriguing – I look forward to Part 2….
Also, I’m glad it’s not just me – my now-17 year old daughter has left me speechless and blinking with surprise on numerous occasions!

Jeff Alberts
October 31, 2011 7:47 pm

However just because Science focuses on the head does not mean Scientists have no hearts. “If you prick them, do they not bleed?”

I’d need to see the data.

dp
October 31, 2011 7:50 pm

You write a good long story.

petermue
October 31, 2011 7:52 pm

This paper from Zbigniew Jaworowski is better and more expressive.
It describes the scientific deficiencies of ice cores, physical defects, and why anthropogenic CO2 can’t be the cause for global warming based on his calculation.
http://www.warwickhughes.com/icecore/IceCoreSprg97.pdf
This man is a real and truthful climate scientist.

Tim McHenry
October 31, 2011 8:03 pm

ditto the comments on waiting eagerly for the sequel…

Truthseeker
October 31, 2011 8:14 pm

But it’s the bubbles of nothing that make it really something …

Editor
October 31, 2011 8:33 pm

I’m with Frank on this, ie. I would like to see some answers to his questions.
It always seemed curious to me that the bubbles, including their CO2, could collapse and be absorbed into the ice and yet the CO2, which had just shown itself to be capable of travelling into the ice, was somehow incapable of travelling through the ice. How does it know, after it has gone in, that it has to stop?
And Caleb – re Jaworowski: He appears to be in the same basket as Ernst-Georg Beck and a few others. The scientific establishment don’t like him so they ignore him. Now maybe that’s being unfair to the scientific establishment, but these things do happen.

PiperPaul
October 31, 2011 8:34 pm

Excellent writing from Mr. Shaw!

April E. Coggins
October 31, 2011 8:46 pm

Caleb: If I can’t offer anything else, and I can’t, you write charmingly. Very enjoyable, very human and a very fun read. Thanks for an enjoyable few minutes, it was the highlight of my day.
Let the dissection of minute bubbles in the Arctics begin!

P.G. Sharrow
October 31, 2011 8:50 pm

Calib; yes teenage girls are insane and change like the wind. Good news! they will become adults around 23 years of age. Until then, just try to bend a little with the breeze and in time they will calm.
As to the tiny bubbles, The science appears to me to be defective. Gasses are very mobil in water and ice, specially when pressures change. I suspect BS (bad science) pg

Hilary Ostrov (aka hro001)
October 31, 2011 8:51 pm

Looking forward to part 2 of your adventures in bubbleland!

October 31, 2011 8:51 pm

petermue says: October 31, 2011 at 7:52 pm
“This man is a real and truthful climate scientist.”

He isn’t a climate scientist. His regular job was/is
“Zbigniew Jaworowski is chairman of the Scientific Council of the Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection in Warsaw and former chair of the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (1981–82)”
But the post could be right – bubbles may do strange things. Here is Zbig explaining why radiation is good for you.

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