Another billion plus down the drain. I guess it wasn’t “sustainable”.
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The potential demise of the scheme comes amid growing fears among renewable power enthusiasts that David Cameron and George Osborne want to scale back the “green” agenda on the grounds that low-carbon energy schemes such as CCS and offshore wind cost too much at a time of austerity. Osborne told the Conservative party conference in Manchester that if he had his way the UK would cut “carbon emissions no slower but also no faster than our fellow countries in Europe”.
Scottish Power, and its partners Shell and the National Grid, have just completed a detailed study of the CCS scheme and have deep concerns about its commercial viability without heavier public backing.
Full story here
Of course this just follows a long line of FAIL, the most prominent being the death of the Chicago Climate Exchange and it’s nickel a ton flatline:
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LazyTeenager-
Assuming that one is not one of the 15 million that can merely return to Mexico or other points south after leaving the ER-actually, the better option is just to stay as you are basicly untraceable-you can take this route which is common in my region of the USA. Upon receiving your bill for your ER visit and meds, send $20 as partial payment with a note that you will be making periodic payments in a like manner until the balance is cleared. That will prevent any collection action by the health care facility.
@Bill says: October 7, 2011 at 2:15 pm
I live in Canada Bill and don’t understand what you are talking about regarding our health care. You should be ashamed of telling un-truths.
Dominos.
Maybe they could “grease the skids” of fracking by injecting CO2 down the well to help mobilize the natural gas or oil (as the case may be). Oh, wait…
“UK carbon capture project close to collapse”
LazyTeenager says: …et.al.
You sound a bit testier than usual, LZ. What happened? All of the CO2 leak out of your date?
When you believe in things that you don’t understand, you suffer. Superstition ain’t the way… I love the way the brass sounds like it’s laughing at superstitious fools. Just for you – Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDZFf0pm0SE
Verily, the Grauniad’s good news cup floweth over…
Philip Peake (aka PJP) says:
October 7, 2011 at 7:03 pm
“@LazyTeenager – when your job goes, you have COBRA, which basically allows you to purchase the same insurance that you had through your employer, for a year. But, you have to pay both parts, the money you were paying PLUS the employer’s contribution, which is usually significantly more than your part was.
So, now unemployed, no income, you can pay probably half of what was your take-home pay each month to continue to be covered.
So in reality – you finish work on Friday, your healthcare ends on Friday.”
Philip,
Your statement “So in reality – you finish work on Friday, your healthcare ends on Friday.” only applies if you have been so negligent as to not have a laid up an emergency fund for hard times. Unfortunately, a lot of Americans spend every dollar they earn and then some on both necessities (food, water, housing, basic clothing) and luxuries (cable TV, cell phones, web connections, a car and insurance for each member of the family, $4 dollar lattes, etc).
If you plan and save for ‘bad time’, the proverbial rain day fund, you would have the cash reserves to sustain your health care insurance for an extended period…along with your mortgage payments and other essentials.
I paid off my college loans first, then put up a reserve or emergency fund to cover at least half a years expenses, before I started investing in anything else…. or treating myself to a better vehicle. When I received wage increases, I applied them to paying down debt first, then investments of opportunity, and lastly to depreciating luxuries (like cars, motorcycles, airplanes, or boats) for myself. For those that embrace the discipline, they are never a ‘victim’ of a down economy again.
Fiscal discipline – It works well for individuals, as well as great countries. Try it….
MtK
AJB Thanks for this. Are 64% of the 27,000 people who took part on this survey, residents in homes for those with learning difficulties?
We are facing the prospect of economic depression not seen since the 1930’s with a pack of fools (or perhaps co-residents in the above homes) as our “leaders”. The ill advised concept of the Euro, together with the perceived need to reduce, tax and capture CO2 has resulted in a wrecked European economy and a threat to undermine world economic stability. We cannot afford the Euro and we cannot afford huge increase in energy prices based on the falsehood that AGW is occurring.
When will the clowns that govern us grasp these simple concepts?
Reality starts to prevail at last. Meanwhile in a parallel dimension …
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/oct/07/europeans-climate-change-poll
Sorry, in my last comment I didn’t paste the above.
Why dont they just start up a Coca Cola factory inside all Power Plants?
Give all the workers a free Coke every hour?
Would be cheaper…..
CCS failure? Good. Another waste of tax pounds.
“Guardian: UK carbon capture project close to collapse”
GOOD
I dunno – just when you think you can rely on ‘The Guardian’ to only report stories in support of AGW, you get this feature, and the Myles Allen piece…
Is nothing sacred..?
What next – the BBC doing a balanced piece on global warming..? Nah – that IS a wish too far….
Bottom line is, the UK State doesn’t have the money for everyhting right now.
They were not elected they just assumed power.
“A billion here, a billion there and pretty soon you’re talking real money.”
– attributed to Sen. Everett Dirksen
We’re running out of pocket change and will soon have to start spending only on the things that really matter. CCS will have to go to the bottom of the list.
(Wait… soon!?! Whatever was I thinking? We’ve been out of money for years!)
@Dave Andrews (who wishes for a left-wing government in the UK).
Don’t know whether you noticed Dave, or maybe you were still in school, but we had a so-called left-wing government for 13 years from 1997: they ran the country into the ground! And if you think that David Cameron’s Conservatives are a ‘right-wing’, you’ve missed a history lesson or two.
Our current government is in thrall to its left wing coalition partner, the Lib Dems, and to its EU climate change plans. It hasn’t a clue about getting the country back on track.
Then again, you could have forgotten the /sarc tag….
kwinterkorn:
You make many assertions that are complete nonsense in your iterative advertising of the American medical system which fleeces the public to make you and other medical practitioners rich at the expense of the American public.
For example, at October 7, 2011 at 3:40 pm you say to Dave Andrews:
“Today I treated 3 patients well over 65 years old for complications related to kidney failure and dialysis. My understanding is that in the UK these patients would have been denied dialysis because of age, and hence would be dead.”
I do not know where you obtained your “understanding” that is completely wrong. Perhaps you made it up in attempt to scare Americans who are dismayed at the Third World system of medical care which Americans suffer but benefits you and your colleagues?
My partner is older than 65 and recently broke her hip in a fall. The paramedics gave her first aid before the ambulance transported her to hospital where she stayed for 6 days and received surgery (including insertion of three screws) from a team of specialists and consultants followed by training and observation by physiotherapists and other medical staff. Upon leaving hospital she was provided with equipment to enable her to live in her home during her recovery. Welfare staff attend her in her home and address her needs each morning and each evening. These care workers are scheduled to continue their visits to her for 6 weeks as part of the re-ability plan for her that is evaluated each two weeks. And all this is free at the point of use because it is provide by the National Health Service.
Perhaps you would say what such treatment would have cost her in the US and how much of it an uninsured US citizen could expect to get?
Richard
It’s funnier than that. He said “bury the coal“, not “carbon”.
I assume burying coal in coal mines would serve!
pat;
Excellent news about China’s tripled emissions; I take it the growth has continued since 2007?. The anti-China conspiracy theory is totally bonkers of course; for the true conspiracy he simply needs to interview prominent Bejing resident Maurice Strong, and ask him about “de-industrialization of the West”.
Snotrocket:
At October 8, 2011 at 8:30 am you say to Dave Andrews:
“Don’t know whether you noticed Dave, or maybe you were still in school, but we had a so-called left-wing government for 13 years from 1997: they ran the country into the ground! And if you think that David Cameron’s Conservatives are a ‘right-wing’, you’ve missed a history lesson or two.
Our current government is in thrall to its left wing coalition partner, the Lib Dems, and to its EU climate change plans. It hasn’t a clue about getting the country back on track.”
It is hard to imagine how you could be more wrong.
Firstly, the UK had less (n.b. LESS) national debt when the Labour Government left office in 2010 than when that government took office in 1997. This reduction in UK debt (which was inherited from the previous Conservative government) was achieved despite the international banking crisis and the UK government bailing-out the UK Banks in 2008. Thus, in that way (among others) the government you slur saved the country from several problems including the inevitable result of over-reliance on Banking which the right-wing Thatcher government had imposed on the UK decades earlier.
David Cameron is PM and Leader of the right-wing Conservative Party. His government can only be considered not “right wing” if viewed from the position of Mussolini (or even further to the right). And it is not “in thrall” to the Lib Dems whose leaders give it their support for selfish reasons (i.e. Cameron has given them jobs).
CCS has nothing to do with left-right politics: it is about assuaging ‘green’ influence.
Richard
On the DECC website you should find a link to a CCS report prepared on their behalf by the international consultants PB Power. The report shows that UK CCS would not become feasible for 25 years as the required infrastructure and technology development would not be in place. Maybe Minister Huhne does not read his own reports. With the imminent demise of the UK nuclear programme, serious power shortages now seem inevitable. That will ensure a dramatic reduction in the UK carbon footprint. Still as the warmists keep telling us, although this will have no measurable impact on global temperatures we must all do our bit! I wonder whether this coalition will ever wake up the fact that this will not make them very popular with the electorate.
Mutually exclusive parameters always mess up an algore-ithm.
I understand that starting next year, the UK has offered to help us out by allowing these ’40 million’ patients access to their excellent ‘free’ health care, all we need to do is fly them over. Let me be the first to thank the UK taxpayers for their generosity. Oh wait!
Seriously, here in the USA we have outlawed slavery so no doctors (and health care professionals that do the actual work), or construction workers (that build the facilities), or pharma (that make the drugs) can be forced to work for free. How exactly did you folks in the UK get around this little fact? I was under the impression that you also outlawed slavery a few years before we did.
Richard Courtney: ‘The debt left by Labour in 2010 was less than that left by Conservatives in 1997’
You really did forget the /sarc then! Debt was around £28B in 1997 and I believe heading to £1.4T in 2010. But you, I’m sure will tell me differently. Just about every serious commentator claims that that the Labour government of 1997 had a golden inheritance from the Tories. But you know better. sheesh!
Oh, and by the way, Richard Courtney, your: ‘…including the inevitable result of over-reliance on Banking which the right-wing Thatcher government had imposed on the UK decades earlier.’ is the typical incantation of the left: to invoke the ghost of Thatcher. Don’t you realise, if what Margaret Thatcher did was SO wrong, why didn’t the labour government seek to change it in the 13 years they had? Sorry, you have to live with the idea that future generations will use Brown as the bogey-man: the era of the left’s hatred for MT is dead.
Snotrocket:
CCS has nothing to do with left-right politics. This thread is about CCS and the government abandoning the pointless nonsense of CCS because the world-wide financial crisis insists that the UK cannot afford pointless extravagance such as CCS.
This will be my final comment here on UK National Debt because I do not want to feed your trolling by helping you deflect discussion from CCS to your ‘red herring’ on UK National Debt. The facts are clear and, as I explain here, you are wrong in your assertions.
At October 8, 2011 at 9:38 am you say to me:
“You really did forget the /sarc then! Debt was around £28B in 1997 and I believe heading to £1.4T in 2010. But you, I’m sure will tell me differently. Just about every serious commentator claims that that the Labour government of 1997 had a golden inheritance from the Tories. But you know better. sheesh!”
I am interested in the facts and not views of “commentators” whether or not you consider them to be “serious”. And you can investigate the facts at e.g.
http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_national_debt_chart.html
The data are clear, the last UK Labour government left the UK with LESS national debt than it inherited when it came to power in 1997.
The link accurately reports;
“The National Debt began the 20th century at about 30 percent of GDP. It jerked above 150 percent in World War I and stayed high. Debt breached 200 percent during World War II. Debt declined to 50 percent of GDP by the 1970s and dipped to 25 percent by 1990. The National Debt began a rapid increase in the aftermath of the worldwide financial crisis of 2008. ”
Then, if you look at the graphs of
(a) actual UK National Debt
and
(b) UK National Debt as percentage of GDP
you will see that UK National Debt was smaller in May 2010 (when Labour left office) than in 1997 whichever way it is considsered.
But you quote debt at the end of 1997 following its rise after May 1997 when Labour took office, and that rise has continued unabated until now under the present Tory/LibDem government.
Richard