One of the great things about Internet, technology, and personal weather stations today is that I can sit comfortably in my home in California and watch the storm progress on the other coast. This map from Weather Underground suggests that Irene isn’t packing hurricane force winds as it makes landfall in North Carolina, and is rapidly weakening.
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When I look at the station with the highest wind speed on the map above, it is rather surprising.
Maybe there are hurricane force wind speeds nearer the eye?
Nope.
So what we have here at this point appears to be a tropical storm. By the time it reaches New York, it may very well just be a tropical depression on par with a Nor’easter in intensity.
The next NHC bulletin will probably see a further downgrade in this storm, which now looks to be not as bad as forecast at this point. This is good. Storm surge for the outer banks will of course be an issue, but the fact that we are still getting automated station reports from there is encouraging.
If anyone needs help reading the weather station surface plot symbols for wind, see this.
UPDATE: TWC seems to concur. If they have a reporter standing on the beach, then I suppose it isn’t all that bad:
UPDATE2: latest from NHC, it’s still a hurricane, that’s our story and we are sticking to it:
BULLETIN HURRICANE IRENE INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER 29A NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL092011 200 PM EDT SAT AUG 27 2011 ...IRENE MOVING ACROSS EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA... SUMMARY OF 200 PM EDT...1800 UTC...INFORMATION ---------------------------------------------- LOCATION...35.5N 76.3W ABOUT 45 MI...70 KM WNW OF CAPE HATTERAS NORTH CAROLINA ABOUT 95 MI...155 KM S OF NORFOLK VIRGINIA MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...85 MPH...140 KM/H PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNE OR 15 DEGREES AT 15 MPH...24 KM/H MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...950 MB...28.05 INCHES WATCHES AND WARNINGS -------------------- CHANGES IN WATCHES AND WARNINGS WITH THIS ADVISORY... ENVIRONMENT CANADA HAS ISSUED A TROPICAL STORM WARNING FROM THE UNITED STATES BORDER NORTHEASTWARD TO FORT LAWRENCE INCLUDING GRAND MANAN...AND FOR THE SOUTH COAST OF NOVA SCOTIA FROM FORT LAWRENCE TO PORTERS LAKE. SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT... A HURRICANE WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR... * LITTLE RIVER INLET NORTH CAROLINA NORTHWARD TO SAGAMORE BEACH MASSACHUSETTS...INCLUDING THE PAMLICO...ALBEMARLE...AND CURRITUCK SOUNDS...DELAWARE BAY...CHESAPEAKE BAY SOUTH OF DRUM POINT...NEW YORK CITY...LONG ISLAND...LONG ISLAND SOUND...COASTAL CONNECTICUT AND RHODE ISLAND...BLOCK ISLAND...MARTHAS VINEYARD AND NANTUCKET A TROPICAL STORM WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR... * CHESAPEAKE BAY FROM DRUM POINT NORTHWARD AND THE TIDAL POTOMAC * NORTH OF SAGAMORE BEACH TO EASTPORT MAINE * UNITED STATES/CANADA BORDER NORTHEASTWARD TO FORT LAWRENCE INCLUDING GRAND MANAN * SOUTH COAST OF NOVA SCOTIA FROM FORT LAWRENCE TO PORTERS LAKE INTERESTS ELSEWHERE IN EASTERN CANADA SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF IRENE. FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA IN THE UNITED STATES...INCLUDING POSSIBLE INLAND WATCHES AND WARNINGS...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR LOCAL NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORECAST OFFICE. FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR NATIONAL METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE. DISCUSSION AND 48-HOUR OUTLOOK ------------------------------ AT 200 PM EDT...1800 UTC...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE IRENE WAS LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 35.5 NORTH...LONGITUDE 76.3 WEST. IRENE IS MOVING TOWARD THE NORTH-NORTHEAST NEAR 13 MPH...20 KM/H. A NORTH-NORTHEASTWARD MOTION AT A SLIGHTLY FASTER FORWARD SPEED IS EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT DAY OR SO. ON THE FORECAST TRACK...THE CENTER OF IRENE WILL MOVE ACROSS NORTHEASTERN NORTH CAROLINA THIS AFTERNOON. THE HURRICANE IS FORECAST TO MOVE NEAR OR OVER THE MID-ATLANTIC COAST TONIGHT AND MOVE OVER SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND ON SUNDAY. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS REMAIN NEAR 85 MPH...140 KM/H...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. SLIGHT WEAKENING IS FORECAST AS IRENE CROSSES EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA...BUT IRENE IS FORECAST TO REMAIN AT OR NEAR HURRICANE STRENGTH AS IT MOVES NEAR OR OVER THE MID-ATLANTIC STATES AND APPROACHES NEW ENGLAND. IRENE IS A LARGE TROPICAL CYCLONE. HURRICANE-FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 90 MILES...150 KM...FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL- STORM-FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 260 MILES...415 KM. A WIND GUST TO 78 MPH WAS RECENTLY MEASURED AT CAPE HATTERAS NORTH CAROLINA. A WIND GUST TO 67 MPH WAS RECENTLY REPORTED AT LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE IN SOUTHEASTERN VIRGINIA. THE LATEST MINIMUM PRESSURE REPORTED FROM A DROPSONDE RELEASED BY AN AIR FORCE RESERVE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT WAS 950 MB...28.05 INCHES.
UPDATE3: From a comment left on Goddard’s site:
Out of the local NWS office in Morehead City, NC:
First, in the northeast part of the eyewall at landfall, and about 30 minutes before your radar map posted above…
0719 AM HIGH SUST WINDS CEDAR ISLAND 35.00N 76.33W
08/27/2011 M90 MPH CARTERET NC DEPT OF HIGHWAYS
CEDAR ISLAND FERRY TERMINAL REPORTS SUSTAINED WINDS 90
MPH WITH GUSTS TO 110 MPH.
Secondly, in the southwest (weakest) part of the eyewall…
1035 AM HURRICANE ATLANTIC BEACH 34.69N 76.74W
08/27/2011 CARTERET NC TRAINED SPOTTER
SUSTAINED WINDS 85 MPH WITH GUSTS TO 101 MPH.
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So I think what we have here is a narrow area of hurricane force winds, and a broad area of tropical storm force winds associated with this storm. Near the eyewall it would of course be quite dangerous, whether or not Irene can sustain hurricane intensity will be the question of the day.
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UPDATE4: That question seems to be answering itself, just over a 90 minutes after I posted the first images, we see the eye disappearing:
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Let’s remember that the ‘computer models’ of the hurricane track
are TOTALLY DIFFERENT from the so-called models of long-term climate.
These are millions of times more real, because they have:
High temporal resolution (minutes, not months)
High spatial resolution (kilometers, not hundreds)
High altitude resolution (hundred levels, not a dozen)
Good initial conditions (regional, not global)
Because hurricane models are short-term and ‘well-fed’,
they indeed can be ‘validated’, because they issue actual forecasts.
And none of them have any use for CO2.
Just watch out how Big Media will use the same ‘computer models’ phrase when they push AGW.
I haven’t been able to find any weather stations that survived the power outage when the storm came ashore near Beaufort, NC. So I’m not sure we can say there weren’t hurricane force winds when first landfall was achieved.
toms, when they are in the tropics, it’s not uncommon for them to be lightning free until the eye makes landfall (cheekily stealing a reference sent to me by a colleague):
See Shao et al., Eos, 86, 42, 18 Oct. 2005
Zack G says:
August 27, 2011 at 6:47 pm
Zack I agree with you – all of us in the path of this storm (I’m in New Hampshire) should take it seriously. We’re supposed to get the brunt of it tomorrow afternoon. Hopefully, any power outages will be minimal, but the rain forecast is for 4 – 8 inches in my area, which mean lots of flooding.
However, it should be stressed that Irene is a typical hurricane which happens to have hit the eastern US. It isn’t unprecedented. It’s perfectly natural. It’s not really unusual. This is hurricane season! Unfortunately, people in the CAGW cult want to use this (and really any “exterme” weather event) to promote their beliefs. I find that utterly repugnant, every bit as much as when they attempted (unsuccessfully) to highjack the spring tornado outbreaks. I’ve lamented in the past that weather has now become repulsively political, which is why I avoid such sites as weather.com (and the Weather Channel on TV) and the “weather underground”.
TedK @ur momisugly August 27, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Few here take storms very lightly, and many in fact have been relieved to see that Irene has turned out to have been a lot less damaging than expected. The problem isn’t that authorities have been zealous in making sure folks are informed and prepared for any eventuality. Every effort should be made to ensure that people fully understand the danger and that they take the appropriate steps. I applaud the actions of some meteorologists and virtually all emergency personnel in doing their jobs very effectively. (Except for that New Jersey(?) chief of police that made those first comments about toe-tags yesterday. He needs to be run out of town on a rail. Grandstanding jackass.) Rather, this is a case of the media and their political masters going so far beyond what was necessary and warranted that it beggars description. I would suggest that they have intentionally frightened people for reasons other than public safety. This is clearly a case of partisan politics dictating the actions of politicians, and money and “access” dictating the actions of the media. I don’t believe these folks had the public’s safety even remotely in mind.
Ryan Maue says:
August 27, 2011 at 6:59 pm
“Who is this man on Obama’s right?”
ahem… That is Janet Napolitano. I can understand your confusion though.
Brad: I don’t know whether you were commenting to me or Anthony because your comment was right below mine. But I based my comment solely on my observations, my being in New York when Gloria hit, and the meteorology classes I have taken, they have nothing to do with anything Anthony said.
I happen to think that high-rise building today are almost certainly better designed to withstand high winds now than they were in 1985. It is always possible that due to a design flaw there might be a building that can’t survive these winds but it is highly unlikely, and as I native New Yorker I can tell you that New York gets quite high winds on a regular bases.
Very good, True Northist.☺
@frank K. I think if you read my blog you’ll see that I am fully aware of New England Hurricanes…and Hurricanes in general. Check back to the 2011 North Atlantic Hurricane Season forecast from June (if interested). However being a young meteorologist I cannot remember living through Bob and neither can any people my age, so to us a New England hurricane really is unusual. If history is an indication this will be the first in a multi-year cycle of Hurricanes threatening the region and by 2025 (give or take) my generation will be use to the storms.
Amazing all of the people who claim there can be no global warming because this one hurricane was not as powerful as these claimers first thought. I suppose any straw when you are drowning.
Anthony and I said:
The comment was tongue in cheek and aimed not at you (I’m on your side in all of this) but at a good number of posters here who clearly are in a state of denial regarding the bona fides of Irene. I could see by the track and the storm density it was going to fade fast when it made land fall. I doubt has the heart to reform again over water and suspect it will blow itself out over the next several days. I also agree it was over-hyped and I understand why (Katrina – good job, Brownie), but I was always more concerned about wind damage even at TS speeds, and the inevitable storm surge. So yes, this storm evolved per my estimates, but is and remains dangerous in those areas that are vulnerable to TS intensities and storm surge. That includes a lot of low lying, old growth areas and is not a trivial area. The 650 mb core pressure was more than adequate to drag in a lot of ocean into Chesapeake Bay, were it to hold.
It was actually Steven Goddard that made the worst claims and was as you know, listed by Drudge as a scientist who is mocking the hurricane classification, and he has a good many like-minded posters there who are also posting here with the same disregard for the danger remaining in Irene. As you and I agree that was way over the top. And I remain skeptical of the WU reporting station quality, and as any good critical thinking person should be. Trust but verify.
Ryan Maue says:
August 27, 2011 at 7:05 pm
“Geeze, the link to SteveGoddard’s site on Drudge has some people having an absolute conniption in his comments. very entertaining”
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I was curious so I went over to Goddard’s site to have a look. Holy Cow! I’ve seen bar fights with greater civility. The accusations, the insults, the language…it was like a meeting of the DNC 2012 planning committee.
Interesting to read about the dry air getting sucked in and the eyewall failure. However there is plenty of juice in the NE quadrant, and some jet stream venting up that way too.
Irene is making a mess of certain rules. The pressure is at 951 mb. Check out what the winds should be, using the Staffir Simpson Scale. At that pressure the winds should be 120 mph. The fact they are only 80 mph likely is causing melt-downs, within very expencive computers. In fact my understanding is that Hansen’s computer is saying, “Warning! Warning! Danger! Danger!” in the voice of the robot in the old TV series, “Lost In Space.”
With the pressure at 951 mb, I would say there is still some danger of winds picking up. This baby ain’t over ’til it’s over.
Zack G says:
August 27, 2011 at 7:45 pm
Well, its really the first of a multi-year cycle with the active period starting in 1995. The northeast has been really, really lucky in that we haven’t had a few of these before now. 1938, 1944, Carol, Donna, ….
You may indeed be used to these storms before the AMO flips negative again.
Ric Werme says:
August 27, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Theo Goodwin says:
August 27, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Using the “size” of a storm to hype the storm is unprofessional. The size of the storm as it appears on a satellite photo has nothing to do with the speed of its winds near the center.
“Size is an important attribute, so is wind speed, water content time of landfall (both day/night and lowtide/hightide), population density, topography, novelty, and so on.”
I do not understand. Back in the 1990s, Floyd’s clouds covered the entire state of Florida yet the damage from Floyd was tiny. How can you say that the size of the cloud system viewed from space is related to the storm’s damage?
Every year in the Northwest we get winds much higher than that without coming from hurricanes… we don’t claim the end of the world or global warming calamity… watts up with that!
Originating from Forbes.com:
http://news.yahoo.com/real-hurricane-irene-renamed-hurricane-hype-021402485.html
Get Real: Hurricane Irene Should Be Renamed “Hurricane Hype”
By Patrick Michaels | Forbes – Fri, Aug 26, 2011
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Looks like Obama will have several opportunities to be in charge at the NHC.
Welcome to the “Stealth Stimulus” method. There’s a lot of panic buying, lots of stocking up, even many “one time” purchases of items like generators, gas cans, and inflatable boats. So next month the administration can gleefully point to the increased August GDP numbers as a sign of the continuing recovery and the success of the President’s policies.
Let’s see how many more “natural emergencies” pop up before the next presidential election. ☺
It certainly does look like the Hurricane is evaporating.
On Wednesday, I drove through a whirling dervish (dust devil) on Hwy 3 in Hayfork, CA. It slammed both sides of the car as we plowed right through the eye. It had a radius of 3 ft. and was a whopping 8 feet tall, dust wall and all. Darn, should’ve reported a twister.
I only wish we could take some of that rain from Irene (without the high winds, please) and transfer it here. We can still use it, we need it badly. More intense water rationing has started in the Dallas/Fort Worth area now. Maybe we should start hyping up the drought down here in Texas, speaking of whether it is a good thing to hype up the potential hurricanes and tornadoes so much. For me personally, I’d rather put up with some of the hype (not all of it – the boy-who-cried-wolf syndrome comes to mind) than to be caught unaware of a coming storm.
Guy next to O is head of Fema. Napolitano doesn’t wear glasses.
Last update from me. Our electricity came back at midnight last night. So we were without electricity for a little over 12 hours. When you are without electricity for that long you really appreciate how much better life is with electricity. One of the things I worry about is if the eco-communists dreams come true and we have rolling blackouts and high electricity costs. It is not so bad during the day, but at night it is a problem. One day of that nonsense and the eco-communists will lose all the support they have. Where I live I know we had gusts that were hurricane force and sustained winds around 50 MPH. However, and this is what people forget, the worst part of a hurricane is all that rain. So much rain means flooding. Flooding lasts longer than wind and does more damage.
It looks like the weather underground totally missed it and in this case looks very amaturish. The MSM greatly over hyped it and would not admit it was weakening after the eywall callapsed before landfall in NC.
The storm still maintained hurricane (cat 1) status up until someplace in New Jersey. The winds were most effective on bringing a storm surge in that caused a lot of flooding. There is a street named West Ocean View in Norfolk that hadn’t flooded in over 20 years and now has done it twice – 2 years ago and now. Not from rainfall but ocean surge.
j ferguson said on August 28, 2011 at 3:42 am:
Really? The pic here must show a transparent alien life form stuck to her face:
http://standing-firm.com/2009/04/24/j-nap-attack-why-antis-want-napolitano-out-and-why-they-are-wrong/
To be fair, although she needs some level of vision correction (unless she got Lasik recently), apparently normally she wears contacts. Ah, vanity!
Irene was like a really bad nor’easter.
Alot of tidal flooding and insurance claims unfortunately. Power outages…well they come with the territory.
But she lost her tropical characteristics long, long ago. In the Bahamas, actually.
In that sense, Irene was no Ike. By far.
But past tracks, and large-scale meteorological conditions, made me nervous about this one…heh…someday another Hazel will rake the coast of the US.
Power outages and coastal flooding and especially inland flooding notwithstanding…but this is not the disaster it could have been.
Something is going on with the atmosphere that is decidedly different than the analog years of 1954.
There always COULD be a worst case scenario for the Eastern Seaboard, which contains 37% of the population of the USA, but only 12% of its area…but hell, anything could happen…at any time.
That being said, we are OVERREACTING.
On that point, equilibrium is needed.
Seriously.
Would have a little bit of risk and freedom…and deal with that risk when it happens…than with the totalitarian Bloomberg “historic” evacuations.
Ridiculous.
Big Brother…get the hell outta here.
Chris
Correction. Meant to say:
Would RATHER have a little bit of risk and freedom…and deal with that risk when it happens…than with the totalitarian Bloomberg “historic” evacuations.
“Bloomberg evacuations”. Sounds like a meme with legs!
Pols like throwing their weight around. Considering they sit on most of it, that’s a problem.