From LiveScience, another reason for NASA to fire Jame Hansen now:
Here’s the basis for his actions in a nutshell:
If carbon dioxide emissions aren’t reduced in time, the Earth will pass a tipping point with irreversible, catastrophic consequences, including the disintegration of ice sheets and large-scale extinction of species, according to the scientific analysis Hansen provided to the lawsuit.
I think Dr. Hansen has lost it. Earth has had higher CO2 concentrations several times in its history and it didn’t head to runaway roasting. So far, this all hinges on positive feedbacks, and there doesn’t seem to be much conclusive evidence for it. Here’s what Pielke Sr. has to say about CO2 as a control knob for Earth’s climate system.
Read Dr. Hansen’s latest non peer reviewed paper where he justifies to himself the use of kids as legal pawns here:
The Case for Young People and Nature: A Path to a Healthy, Natural, Prosperous Future
Hansen is clearly tilting at windmills.
Looking at Hansen’s Fig. 2 it looks to me like the ‘tipping point’ is being reached. Note the peak temperatures, immediately followed by a sharp drop to long low temp valleys.
If CO2 is the main driver, how does it know which direction it is going. From the Ice Core data.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/Milankovitch_Cycles_400000.gif
Look at the 6 or 7 times CO2 has been at near current levels and half the time the temperature is going down.
The tipping point is in Dr. Hansen’s brain and he appears to have reached it.
Time for the boys in the white coats?
DD More,
That’s a deliberately crappy chart from Skeptical Pseudo-Science [a blog that can be extremely professional looking when John Cook wants it to be]. But that chart obscures the fact that CO2 follows temperature. Here is a chart based on the same data and time frame, which clearly shows that temperature rises precede CO2 rises.
Here’s another article on the same subject:
http://www.dailycamera.com/boulder-county-news/ci_18028355
Lots can be said, however, self control is really preventing a good rant from starting
oh for goodness sake.
He’s at it again
So Dr. Hansen is suing his employer. I will wait with bated breath for Dr. Hansen to finally show us the evidence that provides such strong support for the existence of a 21st century tipping point.
But I suspect that he is suffering from a malady that seems to be common among propagandists. They start to believe their own propaganda. Maybe he ought to have Paul Ehrlich at his side to help him make his case. 🙂
Richard S Courtney’s points about defending the truth in court are certainly well taken. Hopefully the truth will get a fair hearing.
Climategate was the real tipping point for climate hysteria.
CRS, Dr.P.H. says:
May 10, 2011 at 9:25 am
Hansen says: “Another ice age will never occur, unless humans go extinct.”
Hmmm….which one do you think he’s rooting for?
The logic (behind the emotion) says that Hansen hates people, is a misanthrope, and rationalises his hatred through climate change, since it would be too revealing of personal animosity to be emotionally frank.
Ice ages are good, as it gets rid of this impeding factor called humans.
It is the peculiar logic of someone who is a controlled psychopath – ie, the sort that doesn’t end up in prison, but converts their emotions into legal, but divisive and unproductive affairs.
“But that chart obscures the fact that CO2 follows temperature. Here is a chart based on the same data and time frame, which clearly shows that temperature rises precede CO2.” (Smokey, May 10, 2011 at 9:54 am)
Sheer nonsense, dear fellow!
Upon close and honest re-evaluation of the data, you will note that the chart clearly proves a far more worrying phenomenon, namely that CO2 is so malignant, that it even rips through our time/space continuum to project itself into the past to affect the future.
I know, everyone is sick of hearing this, but it must be said again and again: It’s worse than we thought.
Grumpy Old Man:
Your post at May 10, 2011 at 9:18 am mentions my post (that is at May 10, 2011 at 8:22 am) saying’
“I don’t understand Richard Courtney’s explanation of ‘experts’ “.
I apologise that my explanation was not clear. If you can say what you “don’t understand” then I can try to correct the matter.
Richard
When did Hansen go over the edge?
He was programmed by Carl Sagan back in the 1960’s. If he were competent, he should have accepted that there is no greenhouse effect, as currently promulgated, shortly after the Magellan Venus data was obtained back in October 1991. I have just posted (again) on the quite general incompetence on this point at
Climate Slogans
c.s says:
May 10, 2011 at 9:29 am
““Using kids as legal pawns?” er…hate to break it to you all, but we kids were the ones who started this action.”
Probably after getting your information from the BBC or Al Gore. In that case, you have something important to learn: Not all grown-ups are to be trusted.
“If carbon dioxide emissions aren’t reduced in time, the Earth will pass a tipping point with irreversible, catastrophic consequences, including the disintegration of ice sheets and large-scale extinction of species,”
This reads like a chapter and verse from the Revelation of Saint James the Profane.
I thought Federal employees cannot sue the Federal Government.
I am really glad that Hansen has revealed that he is quite willing to abuse particular children in pursuit of an eco-world government. I hope that he gets nailed for abuse of these children. Then maybe we can stop the government from pumping its eco-world government propaganda into all of our secondary schools and our colleges. All of it is abuse. Children who believe the Global Warming lie suffer serious harm. Yet it is sponsored by our government. This is an unfathomable outrage.
This is a carnival game. It’s rigged.
It’s win/win for the climate catamites.
Big Brother’s Bread and Circus Report says our bread ration will be increased to minus one, up from zero.
c.s says:
May 10, 2011 at 9:29 am
‘“Using kids as legal pawns?” er…hate to break it to you all, but we kids were the ones who started this action. check it out at http://www.imattermarch.org
Most of us are just under 18, so we need an adult to fight for us in court.
Quit it with all your claims of us being “used” or “abused”- its ridiculous. We care about the planet and the many people and ecosystems that will be (and already are) very adversely affected by human-caused climate change.’
You are being abused. Your testimony is clear evidence of that. You care about Global Warming because you are the victim of systematic lying on the part of people like Hansen and many such people in our government, including Obama. Your life has been misdirected onto a path that is truly a fantasy.
Corpus delicti
Bearing in mind Hansens’s claim of CO2 causing an imbalance in energy in = energy out, will Trentberth be presented as a hostile witness?
Where’s that body gone, I’m sure it was around here somewhere . . .
The “tipping points” argument as well as CAGW itself depends upon water vapor going UP as it warms causing more water vapor which supposedly amplifies the warming.
The problem with this logic is that water vapor has gone DOWN since 1950.
http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c0147e2fc6895970b-pi
CO2 is a poor greenhouse gas with only 1 ° C warming for a doubling of CO2 which isn’t alarming. at all.
I say bring it on – let’s get the courts to review the facts set & have them dump AGW in the waste bin so we can move on to more productive tasks
Hansen may have strong ground to stand on here.
My model clearly shows that climate change may eventually leads to a sudden increase in unemployment, so he certainly has a reason to be involved in the case.
Seriously though. I’ve read the complaints these people are filing. The wording is so wacky that I couldn’t believe my eyes. I wonder if Hansen has actually read the complaints, and understands what he’s attaching his name to? I would be surprised if he has.
So, let me get this straight. If the kids win say a trillion dollars in court, where will the money come from? Won’t it simply be borrowed against their inheritance? In effect, the only ones that stand to truly gain would be the lawyers. The kids will simply end up paying back whatever they receive in future taxes and reduced standard of living. Brilliant.
“c.s says:
May 10, 2011 at 9:29 am
the many people and ecosystems that……. (and already are) very adversely affected by human-caused climate change.”
Go for it c.s, list some of the people and ecosystems that you know of that are already very adversely affected by human-caused climate change and describe how they are adversely affected. I’m genuinely still searching.
Hansen went over the edge when he heard that under direct presidential orders to NASA Administrater Bolden, NASA’s new mandate had shifted from climate modeling to Muslim Outreach. It was just too much for him.