It’s damning, and published by a green group. The study cited by the BBC is from the John Muir trust of all places. This would be a good place to point out what I posted a few days ago: The reality of wind turbines in California. Told ya so. From the BBC:
BBC story here (h/t to WUWT reader Wayne)
James Delingpole quips that “Official: wind farms are totally useless” Well, maybe not totally useless (unless he’s talking about the ones in Hawaii from my recent article) but these efficiencies are proof positive that the current wind power technology will never be anything but a small sporadic supplemental power source.
PRINCIPAL FINDINGS
in respect of analysis of electricity generation from all the U.K. windfarms which are metered by National Grid, November 2008 to December 2010. The following five statements are common assertions made by both the wind industry and Government representatives and agencies. This Report examines those assertions.
1. “Wind turbines will generate on average 30% of their rated capacity over a year.”
2. “The wind is always blowing somewhere.”
3. “Periods of widespread low wind are infrequent.”
4. “The probability of very low wind output coinciding with peak electricity demand is slight.”
5. “Pumped storage hydro can fill the generation gap during prolonged low wind periods.”
This analysis uses publicly available data for a 26 month period between November 2008 and December 2010 and the facts in respect of the above assertions are:
1. Average output from wind was 27.18% of metered capacity in 2009, 21.14% in 2010, and 24.08% between November 2008 and December 2010 inclusive.
2. There were 124 separate occasions from November 2008 till December 2010 when total generation from the windfarms metered by National Grid was less than 20MW. (Average capacity over the period was in excess of 1600MW).
3. The average frequency and duration of a low wind event of 20MW or less between November 2008 and December 2010 was once every 6.38 days for a period of 4.93 hours.
4. At each of the four highest peak demands of 2010 wind output was low being respectively 4.72%, 5.51%, 2.59% and 2.51% of capacity at peak demand.
5. The entire pumped storage hydro capacity in the UK can provide up to 2788MW for only 5 hours then it drops to 1060MW, and finally runs out of water after 22 hours.
OTHER FINDINGS have emerged in the course of this analysis in addition to the Principal Findings which related to the testing of five common assertions. These Other Findings are listed below.
1. During the study period, wind generation was:
* below 20% of capacity more than half the time;
* below 10% of capacity over one third of the time;
* below 2.5% capacity for the equivalent of one day in twelve;
* below 1.25% capacity for the equivalent of just under one day a month.
The discovery that for one third of the time wind output was less than 10% of capacity, and often significantly less than 10%, was an unexpected result of the analysis.
2. Among the 124 days on which generation fell below 20MW were 51 days when generation was 10MW or less. In some ways this is an unimportant statistic because with 20MW or less output the contribution from wind is effectively zero, and a few MW less is neither here nor there. But the very existence of these events and their frequency – on average almost once every 15 days for a period of 4.35 hours – indicates that a major reassessment of the capacity credit of wind power is required.
3. Very low wind events are not confined to periods of high pressure in winter. They can occur at any time of the year.
4. The incidence of high wind and low demand can occur at any time of year. As connected wind capacity increases there will come a point when no more thermal plant can be constrained off to accommodate wind power. In the illustrated 30GW connected wind capacity model with “must-run” thermal generation assumed to be 10GW, this scenario occurs 78 times, or 3 times a month on average. This indicates the requirement for a major reassessment of how much wind capacity can be tolerated by the Grid.
5. The frequency of changes in output of 100MW or more over a five minute period was surprising. There is more work to be done to determine a pattern, but during March 2011, immediately prior to publication of this report, there were six instances of a five minute rise in output in excess of 100MW, the highest being 166MW, and five instances of a five minute drop in output in excess of 100MW, the highest being 148MW. This indicates the requirement for a re-assessment of the potential for increased wind capacity to simulate the instantaneous loss (or gain) of a large thermal plant.
6. The volatility of wind was underlined in the closing days of March 2011 as this Report was being finalised.
* At 3.00am on Monday 28th March, the entire output from 3226MW capacity was 9MW
* At 11.40am on Thursday 31st March, wind output was 2618MW, the highest recorded to date
* The average output from wind in March 2011 was 22.04%
* Output from wind in March 2011 was 10% of capacity or less for 30.78% of the time.
The nature of wind output has been obscured by reliance on “average output” figures. Analysis of hard data from National Grid shows that wind behaves in a quite different manner from that suggested by study of average output derived from the Renewable Obligation Certificates (ROCs) record, or from wind speed records which in themselves are averaged. It is clear from this analysis that wind cannot be relied upon to provide any significant level of generation at any defined time in the future. There is an urgent need to re-evaluate the implications of reliance on wind for any significant proportion of our energy requirement.
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With nuclear it takes 7 minutes to boil a 7 minute egg but with the propeller heads it can take forever until the coal fired power plant kicks in and then it takes 7 minutes. :p
Chance that the UK gummint will read, understand and act: Zero
The latest New Scientist has an article noting that even with ideal efficiency, plain old entropy puts a hard and small limit on wind and solar. Those blades convert the wind into mechanical motion, which means that you can’t keep on stacking turbines behind turbines; and a large solar panel heats up its surroundings so much that it may be undoing the “good it does” for “global warming.”
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21028063.300-wind-and-wave-energies-are-not-renewable-after-all.html
Sadly, all major political parties spout the official AGW line and bleat about the ‘need’ for renewable energy sources.
Solar panels obviously don’t cut it in the UK, except for a few weeks in July and August every second or third year.
So now the UK economy is rushing headlong into a future of brown outs and blackouts and/or hideously expensive electrical power, reliant on unreliable, expensive wind machines. The signs are now officially up for foreign and domestic investors in industrial projects to keep well away from the UK, as there will be insufficient electricity for their needs.
If windmills were re-tasked, with the chore of disassociating hydrogen from water, many of it’s apparent flaws, would be moot.
It’s not that windmills are useless, it is just that, the proper generation product must be selected, which better suits it’s unique characteristics. Windmills must be coupled with a storage capacitance. Solve this problem and wind power can reveal it’s potential. GK
This was predicted by anyone who actually took a look at the numbers.
We always knew it, but we are really learning how costly ignorance, especially willful ignorance, actually is. The greens have a lot to answer for.
Rocky Mountain Power has a “Flyer” on wind power. When describing wind power, the common phrase is “generation capability”. It is silent on delivered generation output.
The following quote indicates the real incentive for the program.
“Our planning and investment in cost-effective wind energy has provided . . . and other benefits for our customers and the communities we serve. It also has positioned the company to meet renewable portfolio standards and/or carbon reduction initiatives enacted in four of the six states within our service area. Our wind-powered resources help address potential future federal policies as well.”
http://www.rockymountainpower.net/content/dam/rocky_mountain_power/doc/About_Us/Newsroom/12-35_RMP_RenewableEnergyFlyer.pdf
Next time, you may want to hire a real engineer.
This needs to be repeated. Over and over again.
polistra says:
The latest New Scientist has an article noting that even with ideal efficiency, plain old entropy puts a hard and small limit on wind and solar. Those blades convert the wind into mechanical motion, which means that you can’t keep on stacking turbines behind turbines; and a large solar panel heats up its surroundings so much that it may be undoing the “good it does” for “global warming.”
I’ve been saying just that about solar for years.
And on the subject of entropy – G. Karst, you might want to check out the laws of thermodynamics. Your proposal would be even LESS efficient.
And Solar power is worse !!
The response to this can only be emotional. ROMM and Hansen say we don’t care about our grand children if we slander the wind industry.
Jimbo,
‘I vaguely remember that wind turbines require conventional power to turn the blades when there is not enough wind or something like that.’
You don’t have to worry about this issue as the UK government plans to have shut down the majority of industry thus supplying a veritable surplus of manpower to stand in front of the windfarms and blow. The fishing industry will be usefully employed for the off shore windfarms backed up by the redundant sailors from Her Majestys Royal Navy.
I would normally type ‘/sarc’ at this point but those from the UK will appreciate the reasons not to.
The real clue to wind farm profitability and efficiency came when T. Boone Pickens pulled the plug on his grandiose scheme.
That’s all I needed to know!
“Periods of widespread low wind are infrequent.”
The problem is that those days occur when an anti-cyclone sits over the UK. When that occurs during the winter months they are the coldest days of the winter, with the consequent maximum demand on the grid.
“If windmills were re-tasked, with the chore of disassociating hydrogen from water, many of it’s apparent flaws, would be moot.”
Well, not exactly. Their 20% load factor would still be present and what exactly would be accomplished by the hydrogen produced? Hydrogen usage would only be effective in a usage scenario that doesn’t exist. If hydrogen is the target, it would appear that off-peak nukes would be a much more efficient and economical means of production.
Analysis of hard data from National Grid shows that wind behaves in a quite different manner from that suggested by study of average output derived from the Renewable Obligation Certificates (ROCs) record, or from wind speed records which in themselves are averaged.
If our politicians were anything but well below average, they might realise that an average is just a number, not reality.
In other breaking news, scientists report that water is wet, the sky is blue, and politicians buy votes with taxpayer money.
Frank K. says:
April 6, 2011 at 9:28 am
…During the study period, wind generation was below 20% of capacity more than half the time…
Well, this problem is easy to solve – just install 5 times more wind turbines to obtain your original generation capacity!
The sad thing is, Frank, that’s the plan.
Whirlygigs and pinwheels. I blame the utility industry for their abject failure to educate the public on the issues of wind energy.
It was always a farce and never seriously considered a replacement for traditional sources of energy. We (in the utility industry) knew this from the start. We didn’t speak up on behalf of the public.
Mother Gaia, does NOT do averages; neither average Temperatures, nor average wind speeds. She knows what the Temperature is everywhere all the time, and she knows what the wind speed is, and she never lets go of any excess of either to make room for a dearth of either, at some other time.
Both Temperature and Wind Speed are non linear functions of energy (in either order); so what is the point of computing averages; which are as I have often said, about as useful as the average telephone number in the Manhattan Phone directory; or the average number of animals (larger than a flea) per hectare, on earth !
G. Karst says:
April 6, 2011 at 10:33 am
“………… Windmills must be coupled with a storage capacitance. Solve this problem and wind power can reveal it’s potential.”
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Well, yes, that’s true, but given that almost all electricity delivered is AC form, that’s like saying “if we could find a way to bottle lightening……….”
Between Jan and Feb 2010, the UK had no wind for six weeks. You cannot run a 24/7 technological societyon an electrical supply that disappears for six weeks.
Even more farsical, is the fact that Denmark, Europe’s largest wind power generator, has never used any of its wind power. Its large variability would overwhealm their small grid. It sells the electricity to Scandinavia instead (at a huge financial loss), who can instantly throttle up and down their large hydro generation plants.
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If this wasn’t known before it should have been known from the time of the Wright Brothers. They went to the Outer Banks of North Carolina because the average wind speed was 15kts which is perfect for flying, the problem was that often it blows much harder or much less than average. Now of course they did finally get off the ground, but they had a lot of delays due to poor wind conditions.
If you consider a wind fan to be just the turbine part of a gas turbine, requiring a mass of working fluid (air), and an input duct (big valley) to bring the working fluid to the turbine; and an output duct, to allow egress of the spent working fluid (exhaus gas) (nother big valley), and a fuel to provide heat energy to the working fluid (the sun), you can appreciate that these things are simply huge in size. Just imagine what the Temperature drop is for the working fluid going through the turbine, and guess what the Carnot efficiency might be. Well yes I know that you have a near infinite amount of solar energy to waste; but think of the wasted space. So the propellor only takes a quarter of an acre; or is it up to maybe an acre now with these 5 MW monsters. Well it you really want to just consider the business end of things, and not the whole installation, you should calculate what the available power density is coming out of a standard 20 Amp or even a 15 amp three prong wall socket. 15 Amps at say 120 Volts, is 1.8 KW coming out of about 15 square cm; now there is a real power source; I get about 1.2 MW/square metre.
That’s 1200 times the ground level sun power. Well yes I know that behind the curtain there is this humungous big power distribution network; but if you aren’t going to consider ALL of the real estate that s running your windmill fan, why should I worry about what’s behind my 15 Amp plug !