This is from MTR 1377 radio today. Our regular feature, “Quote of the Week” just doesn’t work here. Neither does decade or century. No, a whole new category all by itself is reserved for this quote from the newly appointed Climate Commissioner of Australia, Tim Flannery, noted zoologist and author of the book The Weather Makers.
Here it is, brace yourself:
If we cut emissions today, global temperatures are not likely to drop for about a thousand years.
Lest you think that is an errant remark out of context, here’s the follow up from Flannery:
Just let me finish and say this. If the world as a whole cut all emissions tomorrow the average temperature of the planet is not going to drop in several hundred years, perhaps as much as a thousand years because the system is overburdened with CO2 that has to be absorbed and that only happens slowly.
Crikey! So much for the “think of the grandchildren” argument used by Dr. James Hansen.
Read the entire transcript and listen to the audio here
h/t to Lawrie Ayres and Scarlet Pumpernickel
Lets not forget that Mr Flannery also came up with the idea of pumping sulphur into the atmosphere to block the sun.
http://www.news.com.au/climate-plan-could-change-sky-colour/story-e6frfkp9-1111116384553
Acid rain anyone I thought we had already done that
Steve Koch@12.06am March 25
I agree.
The following are just a few of the reasons that make a reasonable person suspect that our politicians and their media facilitators are less than honest in their climate change concern and the hysteria they’re trying to whip up amongst the rest of us .
In Australia—
Our former [ Labor] Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd,[ who had managed, in 2007 , with the help of Al Gore and Bono, to defeat our realist Liberal Prime Minister, John Howard ]—– was elected predominantly on his climate change alarmism.
He later had to be shamed into letting go of the gas guzzler he was driving even while preaching to us, and now flies the world 24/7 every week of every month with his entourage as Foreign Minister, while the rest of us are told we must ride bikes and catch buses etc.
With no apparent worries about the dreaded sea level rises, he recently bought a new waterfront beach house, emulating that other former politician who’s also terrorizing the world about sea level rises etc— his mate , Al Gore.
Instead of looking into every possible action to mitigate, our new PM and her party, are hell bent only on a carbon ‘pollution’ tax and setting up a carbon trading scheme—- and all information on challenges to, and developments in climate science that might show it to be unwarranted—- including all the information about the Climategate emails, inquiries etc—- is suppressed.
If CO2 is such a terrible ‘pollution’, it would seem to be foolhardy in the extreme to be planning to sequester it under our feet, where it might foul aquifers, and in Australia, might destroy our much-needed Great Artesian Basin .
But they’re depending on CCS, and don’t appear to know or care what the consequences might be.
There is absolutely no mention here of the research by Drew Shindell of NASA, that concludes that 50% of the Arctic warming is caused by black carbon.
Shindell’s advice —
[ “We will have very little leverage over climate in the next couple of decades if we’re just looking at carbon dioxide,” Shindell said. “If we want to try to stop the Arctic summer sea ice from melting completely over the next few decades, we’re much better off looking at aerosols and ozone.”]
—–has fallen on deaf ears as far as our government is concerned , and amongst alarmists everywhere, as far as I can see.
I would think they’d be exhorting the governments involved to get that work done, but no—– almost complete silence—and forests are burning still—while they wring their hands and lecture us all about the Arctic melt.
You might think too, that if they really do think the situation is as dire as they claim, they’d be willing to consider the possibility [ not that it’s something I would want] that we in Australia might need to have nuclear power in the mix , as most other countries do —–but it has been and still is, political suicide in Australia,[ as John Howard found out in 2007], for a non-Labor politician to mention even the vaguest possibility of investigating the viability of even thorium reactors down the track.
I agree with your last point about governments that hate their country too.
Politicians on the Left in Australia have always been embarrassed about our country—always wanting to reconstruct it in the image of some European country—and/or hand over our sovereignty to the UN.
For many years they had a plan called ‘Australia Reconstructed’, which would have ‘transformed’ Australia in the image of the then Socialist Sweden.
Australians in general have become progressively more sceptical on CO2-induced GW over the last three years.
eadler says: March 25, 2011 at 9:02 pm
Eadler, I’m really struggling with the ‘intellectual bankruptcy’ thingy – because I called you a name (God?)? But I didn’t call you God, I just asserted that you were acting like you thought you were.
Anyway, where did you dig up the ‘rapid climate change’? Is that a new version of AGW/CAGW/CC/warming that you greens have come up with?
But, overall, your argument falls when you start to quote the wonderfully undemocratic EU – of all people! You (eadler) didn’t invent the 2C ‘threshold for deleterious for climate change’. It was, you say ‘proposed’ (under what scientific aegis was what?) by the EU on the basis of ‘projections’ (do you mean models?). Some people (who?) would prefer a lower limit such as 1.5C (based on what, FFS?).
Who’s the intellectual bankrupt now?
For Mike Lorry et al re: the “why do people believe this stuff?” sub-thread.
I think we can be confident that it goes back further than Christianity. For those interested, investigate the concept of Participation Mystique. Here is a nice definition:
Participation mystique. A term derived from anthropology and the study of primitive psychology, denoting a mystical connection, or identity, between subject and object.
Here are a couple of links to get you started:
http://pimoebius.com/participation_mystique.htm
http://www.suite101.com/content/what-is-participation-mystique-a137096
Participation Mystique can be thought of as an evolutionary psychological analogy to the physical evolution example of Darwins Rock Pigeon (or striped horses).
http://www.classicreader.com/book/107/42/
Obviously we cannot think about the activation of latent unconscious psychic material without reference to Jung. The Portable Jung is a good introduction (for $10 and readily available) and if you like that you can move deeper into the collected works.
http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Jung-Library/dp/0140150706
Finally, here is one more book to try: Jean Gebser’s Ever Present Origin
http://www.amazon.com/Ever-Present-Origin-Foundations-Aperspectival/dp/0821407694/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1301154167&sr=1-1
Check out this website for an introduction to Gebser:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bpa16XmDiyUJ:www.gebser.org/publications/pdf/introphiljgebser.pdf+Jean+Gebser&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk
Big topic this…… we would probably need another version of WUWT to give justice to the psychological side of CAGW. (Anthony & Mods – this is not a request btw – you are doing a great job as is!).
Anyway, for those interested, hopefully this adds to your resources, and, have fun with it……
Not a snow balls chance in Hell that we will return to preindustrial co2 levels. Why are they even talking about it? Same people who are running out to buy potassium iodine pills. They gonna have to pick their poison.
Er – hang on a minute folks – what is this ‘system’ which is overburdened’ with CO2..?
Is he talking about the atmosphere..?
Has the atmosphere said: ‘Jeez, Tim – I’m fair overburdened with CO2 – d’you reckon you Aussies could cut it down a smidgeon – as it is it’ll take a thousand years to get the stuff off me back..?’
Methinks we are ‘overburdened’ with halfwits, talking through an orifice unsuited to the purpose…
So…if plants are made of carbon (and other stuff), and if we grow more of it, and it grows faster (because of more CO2)…it doesn’t use up carbon from the atmosphere? It makes its own carbon, through some kind of plant-fusion organelle?
Or does the extra heat the carbon trapped (cough) just hang around in the air for no good reason for 1,000 years? So it’s well behaved time-released heat? Where was this well behaved heat when half the U.S. was buried in piles of snow this winter? Does this well behaved heat also go through hibernation cycles? Or perhaps the plant-fusion organelles are trapping it… hmmm
I also like Bolt’s new one-liner: Earth hour was lights out for the Left (or SLT).
You ain’t seen nothing yet!
In the first edition of Tim Flannery’s book, “The Weather Makers: the History and Future Impact of Climate Change” (you can find it in google books), he explains how telekinesis affects climate. An example is, “There is one remarkable aspect of the great aerial ocean that has only recently been appreciated – its telekinesis. The last time you heard of telekinesis was probably when Uri Geller was bending spoons, but the term does have a valid scientific definition. It means ‘movement at a distance without a material connection’, and in the case of the atmosphere telekinesis allows changes to manifest themselves simultaneously in distant regions.”
This is from our (Austrlia’s) head of its Climate Commission. The expert our federal government has appointed to lead a commision to teach us all about the science of climate and global warming. His first degree was in arts majoring in English and his PhD was in long dead marsupials (also found with google – perhaps they will make that harder to find now they are going to start spreading warmist propaganda). So it is not hard to understand why he has problems with the science. What is worrying is that we do not appear to have moved much beyond the middle ages where those in power relied on advice(?) to blame witches and had them burnt for causing global cooling.
The statement by Tim Flannery proves beyond any doubt that Gillard, her government, the Greens led by Soap Box Bob, Flannery and Ganaut are attempting to perpetrate the con of the century on Australian citizens. It’s about time the gagged members of the Labor Party spoke out against this monumental scam… do it for the good of the party at least… otherwise you will suffer a bigger defeat than the NSW party.
John W.;
so ‘teleconnections’ became ‘telekinesis’? What a thought! It’s spooky action at a distance, or sumthin.
If Mr. F. weren’t utterly immune to embarrassment and/or shame …
Stop all human activity NOW!
We should bring him over to England – the Met office can’t even tell us with any accuracy what the weather will be like this afternoon, and here is a guy predicting milleniums!
1,000 years ?????
out of context ! What catastrophic event 1,000 years ago caused today’s so called warming ? Nero burning Rome ?
GregO says:
March 24, 2011 at 9:26 pm
“Somebody answer this humble question:
What is it about the English speaking world that captures our imagination about man-made CO2 destroying the world. It isn’t happening according to script – but the play goes on in Britain, USA (less so probably because we never seem to “get it” anyway), Canada, and most acutely, Australia? Why are we so irrational. …………….”
Greg the answer to your humble question, is TAX (for politicians to play with)
GregO says:
……..
Are we collectively mad?
The short answer is Yes, and we always have been.
“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.”
from Charles Mackay’s famous book: Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds
@Mike Lorrey
“It is a long standing tradition in english speaking culture, going back to the Salem witch trials and beyond, where there is an inherent refusal to accept the idea that the world is capricious, random, and that nature is simply *natural* without persona. ”
Believe it or not England is an English speaking nation. I cannot think of any examples from English history to back up your long diatribe against the Christian view of nature. Perhaps if I searched hard enough I might find the odd one or two in the past 1,600 years.
Turning to the United States, I did not realise that the Salem witch trials had anything to do with the Puritans’ view of nature but my knowledge of the subject is rather sparse so as far as I know you could be right. However it is noticable that you did not produce any evidence to back up your assertions.
“… for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sendeth rain on the just and the unjust.”
Matthew 5:45