This essay from Willis appeared on WUWT overnight Saturday while I slept. After reading it this morning, I decided to make it a sticky at the top of WUWT (I also added the open letter reference) because it says everything that needs to be said about the current state of affairs in climate science and the skeptic position. I ask readers not only to read it, but to disseminate it widely at other websites and forums. Hopefully, the right people will read this. Thanks for your consideration, and thank you, Willis.
UPDATE: I’ve made this essay available as a PDF here: Willis_Trenberth_WUWT_Essay suitable for printing and emailing. – Anthony
UPDATE2: Trenberth reacts: edits speech to fix copying, leaves “deniers”
Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
I would like to take as my text the following quote from the recent paper (PDF, 270k also on web here) by Dr. Kevin Trenberth:
Given that global warming is “unequivocal”, to quote the 2007 IPCC report, the null hypothesis should now be reversed, thereby placing the burden of proof on showing that there is no human influence [on the climate].
Figure 1. The game of Monopoly’s “Community Chest” card that was randomly drawn by Dr. Kevin Trenberth. Some guys are just lucky, I guess.
The “null hypothesis” in science is the condition that would result if what you are trying to establish is not true. For example, if your hypothesis is that air pressure affects plant growth rates, the null hypothesis is that air pressure has no effect on plant growth rates. Once you have both hypotheses, then you can see which hypothesis is supported by the evidence.
In climate science, the AGW hypothesis states that human GHG emissions significantly affect the climate. As such, the null hypothesis is that human GHG emissions do not significantly affect the climate, that the climate variations are the result of natural processes. This null hypothesis is what Doctor T wants to reverse.
As Steve McIntyre has often commented, with these folks you really have to keep your eye on the pea under the walnut shell. These folks seem to have sub-specialties in the “three-card monte” sub-species of science. Did you notice when the pea went from under one walnut shell to another in Dr. T’s quotation above? Take another look at it.
The first part of Dr. T’s statement is true. There is general scientific agreement that the globe has been warming, in fits and starts of course, for the last three centuries or so. And since it has been thusly warming for centuries, the obvious null hypothesis would have to be that the half-degree of warming we experienced in the 20th century was a continuation of some long-term ongoing natural trend.
But that’s not what Dr. Trenberth is doing here. Keep your eye on the pea. He has smoothly segued from the IPCC saying “global warming is ‘unequivocal'”, which is true, and stitched that idea so cleverly onto another idea, ‘and thus humans affect the climate’, that you can’t even see the seam.
The pea is already under the other walnut shell. He is implying that the IPCC says that scientists have “unequivocally” shown that humans are the cause of weather ills, and if I don’t take that as an article of faith, it’s my job to prove that we are not the cause of floods in Brisbane.
Now, lest you think that the IPCC actually did mean that ‘humans are the cause’ when they said (in his words) that ‘global warming was “unequivocal”‘, here’s their full statement from the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report Summary For Policymakers (2007) (PDF, 3.7 MB):
Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global mean sea level (see Figure SPM-3).
Despite the vagueness of a lack of a timeframe, that is generally true, but it says nothing about humans being the cause. So he is totally misrepresenting the IPCC findings (which he helped write, remember, so it’s not a misunderstanding) to advance his argument. The IPCC said nothing like what he is implying.
Gotta love the style, though, simply proclaiming by imperial fiat that his side is the winner in one of the longest-running modern scientific debates. And his only proffered “evidence” for this claim? It is the unequivocal fact that Phil Jones and Michael Mann and Caspar Amman and Gene Wahl and the other good old boys of the IPCC all agree with him. That is to say, Dr. T’s justification for reversing the null hypothesis is that the IPCC report that Dr. T helped write agrees with Dr. T. That’s recursive enough to make Ouroboros weep in envy …
And the IPCC not only says it’s true, it’s “unequivocal”. Just plain truth wouldn’t be scientific enough for those guys, I guess. Instead, it is “unequivocal” truth. Here’s what “unequivocal” means (emphasis mine):
unequivocal: adjective: admitting of no doubt or misunderstanding; having only one meaning or interpretation and leading to only one conclusion (“Unequivocal evidence”)
Notice how well crafted Dr. T’s sentence is. After bringing in “global warming”, he introduces the word “unequivocal”, meaning we can only draw one conclusion. Then in the second half of the sentence, he falsely attaches that “unequivocal” certainty of conclusion to his own curious conclusion, that the normal rules of science should be reversed for the benefit of … … well, not to put too fine a point on it, he’s claiming that normal scientific rules should be reversed for the benefit of Dr. Kevin Trenberth and the IPCC and those he supports. Probably just a coincidence, though.
For Dr. Trenberth to call for the usual null hypothesis (which is that what we observe in nature is, you know, natural) to be reversed, citing as his evidence the IPCC statement that the earth is actually warming, is nonsense. However, it is not meaningless nonsense. It is pernicious, insidious, and dangerous nonsense. He wants us to spend billions of dollars based on this level of thinking, and he has cleverly conflated two ideas to push his agenda.
I understand that Dr. T has a scientific hypothesis. This hypothesis, generally called the “AGW hypothesis”, is that if greenhouse gases (GHGs) go up, the temperature must follow, and nothing else matters. The hypothesis is that the GHGs are the master thermostat for the globe, everything else just averages out in the long run, nothing could possibly affect the long-term climate but GHGs, nothing to see here, folks, move along. No other forcings, feedbacks, or hypotheses need apply. GHGs rule, OK?
Which is an interesting hypothesis, but it is woefully short of either theoretical or observational support. In part, of course, this is because the AGW hypothesis provides almost nothing in the way of a statement or a prediction which can be falsified. This difficulty in falsification of the hypothesis, while perhaps attractive to the proponents of the hypothesis, inevitably implies a corresponding difficulty in verification or support of the hypothesis.
In addition, a number of arguably cogent and certainly feasible scientific objections have been raised against various parts of the hypothesis, from the nature and sign of the forcings considered and unconsidered, to the existence of natural thermostatic mechanisms.
Finally, to that we have to add the general failure of what few predictions have come from the teraflops of model churning in support of the AGW hypothesis. We haven’t seen any acceleration in sea level rise. We haven’t seen any climate refugees. The climate model Pinatubo prediction was way off the mark. The number and power of hurricanes hasn’t increased as predicted. And you remember the coral atolls and Bangladesh that you and the IPCC warned us about, Dr. T, the ones that were going to get washed away by the oncoming Thermageddon? Bangladesh and the atoll islands are both getting bigger, not smaller. We were promised a warming of two, maybe even three tenths of a degree per decade this century if we didn’t mend our evil carbon-loving ways, and so far we haven’t mended one thing, and we have seen … well … zero tenths of a degree for the first decade.
So to date, the evidentiary scorecard looks real bad for the AGW hypothesis. Might change tomorrow, I’m not saying the game’s over, that’s AGW nonsense that I’ll leave to Dr. T. I’m just saying that after a quarter century of having unlimited funding and teraflops of computer horsepower and hundreds of thousands of hours of grad students’ and scientists’ time and the full-throated support of the media and university departments dedicated to establishing the hypothesis, AGW supporters have not yet come up with much observational evidence to show for the time and money invested. Which should give you a clue as to why Dr. T is focused on the rules of the game. As the hoary lawyer’s axiom has it, if you can’t argue facts argue the law [the rules of the game], and if you can’t argue the law pound the table and loudly proclaim your innocence …
So now, taking both tacks at once in his paper, Dr. T. is both re-asserting his innocence and proposing that we re-write the rules of the whole game … I find myself cracking up laughing over my keyboard at the raw nerve of the man. If he and his ideas weren’t so dangerous, it would be truly funny.
Look, I’m sorry to be the one to break the bad news to you, Dr. T, but you can’t change the rules of scientific inquiry this late in the game. Here are the 2011 rules, which curiously are just like the 1811 rules.
First, you have to show that some aspect of the climate is historically anomalous or unusual. As far as I know, no one has done that, including you. So the game is in serious danger before it is even begun. If you can’t show me where the climate has gone off its natural rails, if you can’t point to where the climate is acting unusually or anomalously, then what good are your explanations as to why it supposedly went off the rails at some mystery location you can’t identify?
(And of course, this is exactly what Dr. T would gain by changing the rules, and may relate to his desire to change them. With so few examples to give to support his position, after a quarter century of searching for such evidence, it would certainly be tempting to try to change the rules … but I digress.)
But perhaps, Dr. T., perhaps you have found some such climate anomaly which cannot be explained as natural variation and you just haven’t made it public yet.
If you have evidence that the climate is acting anomalously, then Second, you have to show that the anomaly can be explained by human actions. And no, Dr. T., you can’t just wave your hands and say something like “Willis, the IPCC sez you have to prove that what generations of people called ‘natural’, actually is natural”. There’s an arcane technical scientific name for that, too. It’s called “cheating”, Dr. T., and is frowned on in the better circles of scientific inquiry …
(N.B. – pulling variables out of a tuned computer model and then proudly announcing that the model doesn’t work without the missing variables doesn’t mean you have established that humans affect the climate. It simply means that you tuned your computer model to reproduce the historical record using all the variables, and as an inevitable result, when using only part of those variables your model doesn’t do as well at reproducing the historical record. No points for that claim.)
Third, you have to defend your work, and not just from the softball questions of your specially selected peer reviewers who “know what to say” to get you published in scientific journals. In 2011, curiously, we’ve gone back to the customs of the 1800s, the public marketplace of ideas — except this time it’s an electronic marketplace of ideas, rather than people speaking from the dais and in the halls of the Royal Society in London. If you won’t stand up and publicly defend your work, it’s simple – you won’t be believed. And not just by me. Other scientists are watching, and considering, and evaluating.
This doesn’t mean you have to reply to every idiot with a half-baked objection and a tin-foil hat. It does mean that if you refuse to answer serious scientific questions, people will take note of that refusal. You must have noticed how such refusal to answer scientific questions totally destroyed the scientific credibility of the website RealClimate. Well, they’re your friends, so perhaps you didn’t notice, but if not, you should notice, here’s an example. (PDF, 147K) Running from serious scientific questions, as they make a practice of doing at RealClimate, makes you look weak whether you are or not.
And Always, you have to show your work. You have to archive your data. You have to reveal your computer algorithms. You have to expose everything that supports and sustains your claims to the brutal light of public inquiry, warts and all.
Dr. T., I fear you’ll have to get used to the sea change, this is not your father’s climate science. The bottom line is we’re no longer willing to trust you. You could publish in the Akashic Records and I wouldn’t believe what you said until I checked the figures myself. I’m sorry to say it, but by the actions of you and your colleagues, you have forfeited the public’s trust. You blew your credibility, Dr. T, and you have not yet rebuilt it.
And further actions like your current attempt to re-write the rules of science aren’t helping at all. Nor is trying to convince us that you look good with a coat of the finest English whitewash from the “investigations” into Climategate. Didn’t you guys notice the lesson of Watergate, that the coverup is more damaging than the original malfeasance?
Dr. T, you had a good run, you were feted and honored, but the day of reckoning up the cost has come and gone. Like some book said, you and the other un-indicted co-conspirators have been weighed in the balances, and found wanting. At this point, you have two choices — accept it and move on, or bitch about it. I strongly advise the former, but so far all I see is the latter.
You want to regain the trust of the public, for yourself and for climate science? It won’t be easy, but it can be done. Here’s my shortlist of recommendations for you and other mainstream climate scientists:
• Stop trying to sell the idea that the science is settled. Climate science is a new science, we don’t even have agreement on whether clouds warm or cool the planet, we don’t know if there are thermostatic interactions that tend to maintain some temperature in preference to others. Or as you wrote to Tom Wigley, Dr. T,
How come you do not agree with a statement that says we are no where close to knowing where energy is going or whether clouds are changing to make the planet brighter. We are not close to balancing the energy budget. The fact that we can not account for what is happening in the climate system makes any consideration of geoengineering quite hopeless as we will never be able to tell if it is successful or not! It is a travesty!
SOURCE: email 1255550975
Curious. You state strongly to your friend that we’re not close to knowing where the energy is going or to balancing the energy budget, yet you say in public that we know enough to take the most extraordinary step of reversing the null hypothesis … how does that work again?
At this point, there’s not much about climate science that is “unequivocal” except that the climate is always changing.
• Don’t try to change the rules of the game in mid-stream. It makes you look desperate, whether you are or not.
• Stop calling people “deniers”, my goodness, after multiple requests that’s just common courtesy and decency, where are your manners? It makes you look surly and uncivilized, whether you are or not.
• Stop avoiding public discussion and debate of your work. You are asking us to spend billions of dollars based on your conclusions. If you won’t bother to defend those conclusions, don’t bother us with them. Refusing to publicly defend your billion dollar claims make it look like you can’t defend them, whether you can or not.
• Stop secretly moving the pea under the walnut shells. You obviously think we are blind, you also clearly believe we wouldn’t remember that you said we have a poor understanding of the climate system. Disabuse yourself of the idea that you are dealing with fools or idiots, and do it immediately. As I have found to my cost, exposing my scientific claims to the cruel basilisk gaze of the internet is like playing chess with Deep Blue … individual processors have different abilities, but overall any faults in my ideas will certainly be exposed. Too many people looking at my ideas from too many sides for much to slip through. Trying anything but absolute honesty on the collective memory and wisdom of the internet makes you look like both a fool and con man, whether you are one or not.
• Write scientific papers that don’t center around words like “possibly” or “conceivably” or “might”. Yes, possibly all of the water molecules in my glass of water might be heading upwards at the same instant, and I could conceivably win the Mega-Ball lottery, and I might still play third base for the New York Yankees, but that is idle speculation that has no place in scientific inquiry. Give us facts, give us uncertainties, but spare us the stuff like “This raises the possibility that by 2050, this could lead to the total dissolution of all inter-atomic bonds …”. Yeah, I suppose it could. So what, should I buy a lottery ticket?
• Stop lauding the pathetic purveyors of failed prophecies. Perhaps you climate guys haven’t noticed, but Paul Ehrlich was not a visionary genius. He was a failure whose only exceptional talent is the making of apocalyptic forecasts that didn’t come true. In any business he would not have lasted one minute past the cratering collapse of his first ridiculous forecast of widespread food riots and worldwide deaths from global famine in the 1980s … but in academia, despite repeating his initial “We’re all gonna crash and burn, end of the world coming up soon, you betcha” prognostication method several more times with no corresponding crashing burning or ending, he’s still a professor at Stanford. Now that’s understandable under tenure rules, you can’t fire him for being a serially unsuccessful doomcaster. But he also appears to be one of your senior AGW thinkers and public representatives, which is totally incomprehensible to me.
His string of predicted global catastrophes that never came anywhere near true was only matched by the inimitable collapses of the prophecies of his wife Anne, and of his cohorts John Holdren and the late Stephen Schneider. I fear we’ll never see their like again, a fearsome foursome who between them never made one single prediction that actually came to pass. Stop using them as your spokesmodels, it doesn’t increase confidence in your claims.
• Enough with the scary scenarios, already. You’ve done the Chicken Little thing to death, give it a rest, it is sooo last century. It makes you look both out-of-date and hysterical whether you are or not.
• Speak out against scientific malfeasance whenever and wherever you see it. This is critical to the restoration of trust. I’m sick of watching climate scientists doing backflips to avoid saying to Lonnie Thompson “Hey, idiot, archive all of your data, you’re ruining all of our reputations!”. The overwhelming silence of mainstream AGW scientists on these matters is one of the (unfortunately numerous) reasons that the public doesn’t trust climate scientists, and justifiably so. You absolutely must clean up your own house to restore public trust, no one else can do it. Speak up. We can’t hear you.
• Stop re-asserting the innocence of you and your friends. It makes you all look guilty, whether you are or not … and since the CRU emails unequivocally favor the “guilty” possibility, it makes you look unapologetic as well as guilty. Whether you are or not.
• STOP HIDING THINGS!!! Give your most private data and your most top-secret computer codes directly to your worst enemies and see if they can poke holes in your ideas. If they can’t, then you’re home free. That is true science, not hiding your data and gaming the IPCC rules to your advantage.
• Admit the true uncertainties. The mis-treatment of uncertainty in the IPCC reports, and the underestimation of true uncertainty in climate science in general, is a scandal.
• Scrap the IPCC. It has run its race. Do you truly think that whatever comes out of the next IPCC report will make the slightest difference to the debate? You’ve had four IPCC reports in a row, each one more alarmist than the previous one. You’ve had every environmental organization shilling for you. You’ve had billions of dollars in support, Al Gore alone spent $300 million on advertising and advocacy. You’ve had 25 years to make your case, with huge resources and supercomputers and entire governments on your side, and you are still losing the public debate … after all of that, do you really think another IPCC report will change anything?
If it is another politically driven error-fest like the last one, I don’t think so. And what are the odds of it being an honest assessment of the science? Either way the next IPCC report won’t settle a single discussion, even if it is honest science. Again, Dr. T, you have only yourself and your friends to blame. You used the IPCC to flog bad science like the Hokeyschtick, your friends abused the IPCC to sneak in papers y’all favored and keep out papers you didn’t like, you didn’t check your references so stupid errors were proclaimed as gospel truth, it’s all a matter of record.
Do you truly think that after Climategate, and after the revelations of things like IPCC citations of WWF propaganda pieces as if they were solid science, and after Pachauri’s ludicrous claim that it was “voodoo science” to point out the Himalayan glacier errors, after all that do you think anyone with half a brain still believes the IPCC is some neutral arbiter of climate science whose ex-cathedra pronouncements can be relied upon?
Because if you do think people still believe that, you really should get out more. At this point people don’t trust the IPCC any more than they trust you and your friends. Another IPCC report will be roundly ignored by one side, and cited as inerrant gospel by the other side. How will that help anyone? Forget about the IPCC, it is a meaningless distraction, and get back to the science.
That’s my free advice, Dr. T., and I’m sure it’s worth every penny you paid for it. Look, I don’t think you’re a bad guy. Sadly for you, but fortunately for us, you got caught hanging out with the bad boys who had their hands in the cookie jar. And tragically for everyone, all of you were seduced by “noble cause corruption”. Hey, it’s nothing to be ashamed of, it’s happened to me too, you’re not the first guy to think that the nobility of your cause justified improper actions.
But as far as subsequently proclaiming your innocence and saying that you and your friends did nothing wrong? Sorry, Dr. T, the jury has already come in on that one, and they weren’t distracted by either the nobility of your cause, nor by the unequivocal fact that you and your friends were whitewashed as pure as the driven snow in the investigation done by your other friends … instead, they noted your emails saying things like:
In that regard I don’t think you can ignore it all, as Mike [Mann] suggests as one option, but the response should try to somehow label these guys a[s] lazy and incompetent and unable to do the huge amount of work it takes to construct such a database.
Indeed technology and data handling capabilities have evolved and not everything was saved. So my feeble suggestion is to indeed cast aspersions on their motives and throw in some counter rhetoric. Labeling them as lazy with nothing better to do seems like a good thing to do.
SOURCE: email 1177158252
Yeah, that’s the ticket, that’s how a real scientist defends his scientific claims …
w.

Moderators:
A post of mine disappeared probably into the spam filter because it contains the word “fraud”.
Please find it and post it.
With thanks in anticipation
Richard
[Rescued & posted. ~dbs]
@richard S Courtney says:
January 18, 2011 at 12:55 am
“There has been no discernible warming (statistical or otherwise) for the last 15 years. Period.”
Phil Jones says otherwise.
When asked by George Monbiot in relation to that claim of no discernible warming (statistical or otherwise) for the last 15 years, by another skeptic, Phil Jones replied:
“The key statement here is ‘not statistically significant’. It wasn’t for these years at the 95% level, but it would have been at the 90% level. If you add the value of 0.52 in for 2010 and look at 1995 to 2010 then the warming is statistically significant at the 95% level.” [What this means is that the warming trend for the past few years previously met a lower test of statistical significance. With addition of the results so far for 2010, it now meets the higher test.]
http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2010/12/08/impervious-to-learning/
Richard S Courtney says: January 18, 2011 at 12:36 am
“Now be a good little troll: admit that your attempts to disrupt this thread have failed and go away.”
I wasn’t really going to bother with you again because you are so clearly out of your depth on matters statistical (reinforced by your comments on how to falsify a null), and have no propensity to spend any time on receive as opposed to send.
However your comments above to TomFP are just bullying someone who in my view has been trying to sort something out in their mind.
Perhaps you should listen to your own advice.
@izen and Martin
Thank you both for the links. I had an enjoyable evening reading up on Greenland, past and present. I’m still not convinced Greenland is warmer today than when the Vikings first settled. The frozen “farm under the sand” indicates that it’s still not quite as warm today. The presence of birch and willow forests then and their absence today is another indicator that we’re not quite up to the same temperature.
@ur momisugly -Richard S Courtney says:
“There has been no discernible warming (statistical or otherwise) for the last 15 years. Period.”
This is equivalent to an argument that because there has been no statistically significant warming for 15 days in the Northern hemisphere in the spring when climate scientists claim that the small increase in the solar input is causing seasonal changes these scientific seasonalists are wrong.
Martin:
Oh dear, the trolls really are out in force. In your post at January 18, 2011 at 1:36 am you assert that Jones says there has been discernible warming during the last 15 years.
And you quote him as saying;
“The key statement here is ‘not statistically significant’. It wasn’t for these years at the 95% level, but it would have been at the 90% level. If you add the value of 0.52 in for 2010 and look at 1995 to 2010 then the warming is statistically significant at the 95% level.” [What this means is that the warming trend for the past few years previously met a lower test of statistical significance. With addition of the results so far for 2010, it now meets the higher test.]”
Of course, statistical significance is defined at a level. In this case, the minimum acceptable scientific level of 95% confidence (i.e. the assessment has a 1 in 20 chance of being wrong) is used. There are good reasons to argue that this level is inadequately low, but I choose not to put them because they are not necessary.
The HadCRUT3 data set is available at
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadcrut3vgl.txt
It provides these values for each month in 2010
2010 0.489 0.472 0.573 0.568 0.508 0.528 0.528 0.476 0.387 0.385 0.422
And that link shows the mean for the year is 0.485
So, Jones gets 95% confidence by adding “the value of 0.52 in for 2010” but the actual value in the dataset he helped to compile is 0.485 and not 0.52.
And if you add the value of 0.485 in for 2010 and look at 1995 to 2010 then the warming is NOT statistically significant at the 95% level.
It is a bummer for trolls when people rely on data instead of statements by discredited authorities, isn’t it?
Richard
Richard Courtney I am flabbergasted that you should cast me either as a troll or as a fellow-traveller of HAS and JimD. I hadn’t, until now, read your first abusive response – I read your second first. However you think I may have erred, I reject the idea that someone who concludes a post “Or have I myself erred?”, or begins another “I hope my scientific betters will correct any errors here, but here’s how I see it:”
…deserves to be called a troll, or to receive anything other than a polite correction. Your assertion that I know I am wrong, and am attempting to disrupt the thread are a classic examples of the sort of unfounded assertion you yourself rightly condemn.
When you take a break from abusing me, you say:
“A disproof of the null hypothesis is observation of a climate event that is outside the range of past climate events.
Any unprecedented climate event of any kind would disprove it, but nothing else would.”
You give me no reason to doubt my earlier preference for “confirmation” over “proof”, in these formulations, and I don’t see how you can say you have “proved” a null hypothesis, when all you have done is failed to observe good evidence of its alternative. Now if you can get off your high horse, stop alienating people who share your contempt for Trenberth’s disgraceful attempt to overturn the scientific method, and tell my why I am wrong, I’m all ears. Otherwise, button it.
izen:
Please try not to be silly. Read your post at January 18, 2011 at 2:50 am and try to work out why it is nonsense as a reply to my comment at January 18, 2011 at 12:36 am that said:
“If the warming is too small to be detected then it has no real existence because it has no discernible effects: observation of its effect would be its detection.
There has been no discernible warming (statistical or otherwise) for the last 15 years. Period.”
Richard
PS I am now leaving – probably for two weeks – so will not be able to reply to posts addressed to me until I get back.
Buzz,
I have to commend you for the debate you have enterred into here. You’ve represented any number of pro AGW related science issues reasonably well. I’d even go so far as to say that calling you a troll as some have, is unfair. Troll’s distort the issues in any manner of ways, while I see the issues that you raise as being pretty close to what the pro AGW scientists have said. If you’ve been looking closely at the responses to you, by now you should have some idea of how much of the often quoted “accepted science” is not only not so accepted, but frequently has giant holes in terms of both data and methodology. But most importantly, the arguments you sparked, regardless if your position on each of them be right or wrong, demonstrates exactly why the debate itself has become meaningless.
Wayne pointed it out a couple of times.
The only question we are trying to answer is this: Does human activity have the potential to raise CO2 levels to the point that a damaging temperature increase will result?
The arguments that you raise demonstrate the weakness of the AGW position if you stop to think about it. The temperature record is a secondary measure CO2’s impact on climate. Sea levels are a secondary measure of temperature. So is ice extent. So is glacier recession. Hurricane frequency and intensity? That’s not even a secondary measure of temperature, its perhaps third order at best. Polar bear populations, species extinction, and so on are fourth or fifth order, or worse.
So ask yourself, not as a scientist, but as a LAWYER, why it is that that one side of the debate raises what amounts to nothing more than circumstancial evidence? Even if the bulk of it was correct, what trial judge or jury would convict based on circumstancial evidence alone when so much of it is clearly contrived? But to extend the analogy further, we have a suspect accused of a crime, and the prosecution wants the process to be “guilty until proven innocent”. The prosecution cannot show that a crime has in fact occurred, the best the prosecution can do is come up with some circumstantial evidence, much of it suspect, suggesting that a crime for which there is no direct evidence must therefore have occured.
What is most absurd about the prosecution’s position however, is that the crime for which they have no direct evidence as having occurred in the first place, is impossible. Have you asked yourself yet why it is that the pro AGW arguments rest on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th order measurements, while the direct evidence, the known physics, is so carefully avoided? May I provide you with the physics, the KNOWN physics, the physics that not one single major climate researcher, not Mann, not Hansen, not Jones, not Briffa, NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THE ACCUSERS, has not only not refuted, THEY HAVEN’T EVEN TRIED.
1) CO2 is logarithmic.
2) At today’s levels, a 40% increase over “pre-industrial” levels, that means that about 60% of what ever effect doubling of CO2 actually has, is already in place. 60%!
3) In order reach 100%, we would need to contribute 2.5 TIMES as much CO2 to the atmosphere as we did IN THE LAST 100 YEARS.
4) Even if we accept the “consensus” position that doubling of CO2 raises the temperature 1 degree, consider the logical extension of that. In order to get just one more degree, for a total of two, we would have to contribute SEVEN times as much CO2 as we have in the last 100 years.
When you consider that the “consensus” estimate cannot even produce a secondary measure (circumstancial evidence), the temperature record itself, to substantiate even a ONE degree correlation, FEEDBACKS INCLUDED, that can be attributed to the doubling of CO2 based on 60% of the effect already being in place, does it not bother you, as a lawyer, that the prosecution wants the accused to stand convicted until proven innocent of a crime that not only is there no direct evidence of having actually occurred, cannot be physicaly achieved even if we were to dedicate ourselves as a race to pumping as much oil as we can, and burning it ALL for the next several centuries?
To drive the point home even harder, is this not reminiscent of a not so long ago practice, by lawyers, to convict a witch? If the livestock suddenly took ill and died, it was evidence (secondary at best) that they must have been cursed by a witch. This, the lawyers of the day argued, proved that there was a witch. The accused would then be thrown in a lake. If she drowned, alas, it was all a mistake. If she swam ashore, it was proof that not only was she a witch, but by default must also have cursed the livestock, for did they not die? Odd is it not that this witch who could fell entire herds of cattle with just a curse would do nothing to defend herself as she tied to a post and burned to death?
You may think the analogy a poor one, so let me drive the point home harder still. The witch is CO2. She has been improving crop yields that feed billions, enabling transportation and industrial systems that employ billions, providing heat to make the homes of billions warm enough to prevent death from winter climates, and so much more. Without her, most of the people this planet sustains would die. Yet you not only want her gone, you want her gone for a crime that not only is there no evidence for, the case cannot even be made that she is physically capable of the crime for which she is accused while the billions of lives that depend on her are casually dismissed.
Wayne posted the link to Milosczki’s paper. Read it. Then read Lindzen’s treatise on the logarithmic nature of CO2. You can find it on this web site. You’ll also find one by Willis Eschenbach on this site if memory serves me correctly. There are others, lots of them, and nary a rebuttal from the alarmists who ignore the issue while pointing at their lists of extinct species that died from other causes, receding glaciers that aren’t melting in 20 years after all, declining ice extents that mysteriously start to grow again, ocean heat content that turns out to be declining, record low temperatures over half the planet, record snow extent to go with it, and proclaiming loudly:
See, a crime has been committed, and though we lack direct evidence of the crime, it proves that there is in fact a witch, she is guilty until proven innocent, and she must be destroyed, though doing so will kill billions.
So, Mr Buzz Lawyer, may I ask if you really intend to continue advocating for the prosecution? Do you still, after considering that the prosecution has presented flimsy circumstantial evidence, postulating a crime for which there is no direct evidence, and which is physically impossible to achieve, still argue in favour of the prosecution’s conclusion of guilt until proven innocent?
Trenberth proposes to turn the hands of time backward several centuries on matters of science. Do you propose, as a lawyer, to do the same to both science and the practice of law?
And Richard,
does:
“Just please stop talking about the null hypothesis as being some kind of logical construct, existing independently of its alternative, that you can pick, choose, or even really argue about.” sound as though it was written by someone trying to misappropriate the null hypothesis? Or by someone with whom you are in such disagreement that it’s worth alienating them?
“A pretence that the three of you are discussing which null hypothesis to choose is a fraud.” Is a strangely constructed sentence, and I’ll overlook the juvenile “fraud”, but for clarity I make no such pretense, since as I have repeatedly said, I insist that for any hypothesis there can be only one null. All my efforts have been directed at establishing precisely that the null hypothesis is NOT a matter of choice, but arises directly from its alternative framed by the experimenter. Which sounds rather like your:
“There is one null hypothesis. There is only one null hypothesis. There can be only one null hypothesis.”, if we wipe off some of the froth.
with the important difference that in my formulation there is not “only one null hypothesis”, but as many N0 as there are N1, no more, no less. Perhaps it’s a matter of attention to detail.
Richard I entered this thread not to disrupt it, as you egregiously assert, but because I could see you trying to explain a concept of great importance to me to other commenters, and not getting very far. At no stage have a I tried to tell you you’re wrong, let alone given you cause to abuse me. I may have been in error, but you haven’t corrected me, just abused me.
And I’m still waiting for your explanation of how you can be said to have proved a null hypothesis when all you have done is fail to amass sufficient evidence to reject it. Like I say, make it polite, and I’ll give it due consideration. But not as much as I would have done before I read your last posts.
I’m still astounded. Good grief, man, have you gone off your pills?
@HAS
“However your comments above to TomFP are just bullying someone who in my view has been trying to sort something out in their mind.” Thank you for your support, but I can look after myself!
Notwithstanding his bizarre rhetoric, Courtney’s objections to the idea that you can pick, choose or debate your null hypothesis are ones I share, whether he understands it or not.
We talk commonly of “the hypothesis”, but the strictly correct term for such a proposition is “alternative hypothesis”. This ought to give the clue to the logical priority of the null, and the logical absurdity of KT’s attempt to reverse it. The alternative hypothesis “dangerous anthropogenic climate change is occurring” (with its ineluctable, no choosing, no picking null counterpart, “dangerous anthropogenic climate change is NOT occurring”) is, however, built on a multitude of hypothetical components, ranging from the least controversial (to the extent that we call some of them “laws”, e.g. thermodynamics), through to hypotheses such as those pertaining to feedbacks, which are recent and highly controversial. But each has its own, individual null hypothesis, and always will have. I can understand some of Richard’s frustration, I just am baffled as to why he sees fit to take it out on me!
As an aside, one of my beefs with climate science is that it is so steeped in the probabililstic thinking of statistics that it has entirely lost the power of deterministic thought. This results in its practitioners assigning more, better and different degrees of confidence to data that deserve a null finding.
I’m sorry if this puts me at odds with someone who has sprung to my defence, but I believe the null hypothesis is an important and widely misunderstood concept. My own understanding of it may be imperfect, which is why I was going to preface this with my usual “my scientific betters may correct me”, but seeing what I got me last time, I may have to wait a while for enlightenment, should I be in need of it.
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davidmhoffer says:
January 18, 2011 at 4:14 am (Edit)
Buzz,
Brilliant, simply brilliant.
Are 1811 rules a nod to Osted’s First Introduction to General Physics?
izen says:
January 17, 2011 at 2:25 pm
“Have you tried overlaying a graph of the CO2 levels from ice cores over the same time-period…?”
Are going to assert that CO2 controlled the ending of the last glacial maxima and susequent sea level rise? Please make your case.
davidmhoffer says:
January 18, 2011 at 4:14 am
Great Post. Love the witch analogy. To that I add:
If she weighs the same as a duck, she is made of wood, and therfore a witch. Logic is about the same as more trapped heat = warm, or cold depending on whatever is in the news. Or global warming means more snow because warm air is pushed out of the arctic, even though it is -60 in the arctic.
The discussion of the null hypothesis seems mixed with rose colored glasses. There is no political connotations or consensus thinking in the null hypothesis. The idea that a null hypothesis is limited to “natural variation”, as it seems to be in this thread by skeptics, is a corruption of the scientific method. The null hypothesis is a step in the investigation of an observation. Trenberth and others are confusing their idea of a null hypothesis with the term “theory”. A theory is outside the steps of observation, null hypothesis, experimentation, and data analysis. A theory is a belief that something must be so.
Where Trenberth falls astray in his message is his contention that it is up to others to refute his stated null hypothesis (the current temperature trends are due to anthropogenic drivers). That is not the case at all. He must uncover every stone to reject his null hypothesis. Were he clear on this, he would be calling himself a skeptic. That he does not indicates to me a lack of understanding so basic to scientific investigation I wonder who allows him to perform such endeavors.
What this all means here is that those of us who consider natural variation to be the null hypothesis, we need to go on about the business of disproving it. We must, though revolted by the thought, put the shoe on the other foot. Else we think, talk, and act just like Trenberth.
addendum re: null hypothesis
Trenberth may end up ending the idea that anthropogenic CO2 drives climate trends. If his contention is that this must now stand as the consented null hypothesis of all climate scientists, any further peer reviewed and published investigations must center on refuting it. Anything else and we uncover a cabal of monkeys at the helm.
TomFP said;
“Notwithstanding his bizarre rhetoric, Courtney’s objections to the idea that you can pick, choose or debate your null hypothesis are ones I share, whether he understands it or not.”
errr….are you actually aware who Richard Courtney is?
tonyb
Trenberths null should be, “Long term temperature trends in the previous and this century are not driven by anthropogenic sources.” If he has refuted this in significant experimental and/or statistical ways demonstrating nexus between warming and anthropogenic CO2, then he can state his hypothesis.
We on the other hand, must state, “Long term temperature trends in the previous and this century are not driven by natural sources.” If this can be refuted in significant experimental and/or statistical ways demonstrating nexus between the trend and natural sources, we can state our hypothesis.
Clear?
With so much printed about the AGW debate, it is sometimes difficult to find a great source of material. Not with this article! Outstanding and one to book mark as a must read! Thank you Mr. Eschenbach!
@-davidmhoffer says:
January 18, 2011 at 4:14 am
“2) At today’s levels, a 40% increase over “pre-industrial” levels, that means that about 60% of what ever effect doubling of CO2 actually has, is already in place. 60%!
3) In order reach 100%, we would need to contribute 2.5 TIMES as much CO2 to the atmosphere as we did IN THE LAST 100 YEARS.
4) Even if we accept the “consensus” position that doubling of CO2 raises the temperature 1 degree, consider the logical extension of that. In order to get just one more degree, for a total of two, we would have to contribute SEVEN times as much CO2 as we have in the last 100 years.”
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A couple of problems with your arguments…
2)While you are about right that a 40% increase in CO2 has around 60% of the effect of a full doubling, that 60% effect isn’t instant. Because of the thermal inertia of the climate system the full effect of that 60% rise in energy from CO2 takes several decades to have its full effect, meanwhile human activity continues to produce more CO2…
3)No, if we have increased CO2 levels by 40% with the burning of fossil fuel so far then to reach a doubling we need to emit the other 60%, or 1.25 times what we have released over the last century.
4)If we have released 40% in the last century then to double up again – assuming there is enough fossil fuel to do that – will require us to emit 4 times as much CO2 as we have so far.
If that still seems unlikely, then reflect that we emitted over SEVEN times as much CO2 in 2000 as we did in 1950. So in the last 50 years we HAVE increased the rate of addition of CO2 to the atmosphere by more than 7 times the amount just fifty years ago.
As for your objection that the evidence is ‘merely’ circumstantial…. so is DNA evidence and while AGW may not have something quite THAT definitive yet the fingerprinting attribution research based on direct measurement of spectrum changes in the energy flux into and out of the biosphere are pretty robust and don’t admit of much doubt.
@David@4:14 am
great post!
Like I have been saying:
If water is your father, then Co2 is your mother.
That being so, if you say bad things of your father and mother,
what are saying about yourself?
It was that thought, initially, that made me investigate the case against CO2
only to find:
there is no case to be made./
More carbon dioxide is better…
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/more-carbon-dioxide-is-ok-ok
Encore, Willis, tout encore.
Unfortunately, as I see it, there are already far too many unfortunate people, of every age that have already been bamboozled by the wretched AGW propaganda machine.
I am delighted that you have taken the time to enlighten us; it is much appreciated, but I fear dr. T has them on his side.
@-glacierman says:
“Are going to assert that CO2 controlled the ending of the last glacial maxima and susequent sea level rise? Please make your case.”
No, I don’t think CO2 or anything else ‘controlled’ the ending of the last glacial maximum. That seems to be ascribing a sentient intentionality to one factor in what was an insensate multifactorial process.
The last glacial maxima ended when the ice sheets became unstable becaus of their extent, the orbital axis/inclination delivered more solar energy to the Northern hemisphere triggering ice and snow cover loss and altering albedo and the ocean warming and increased biological activity pushed up CO2 levels. Those are just SOME of the factors involved in the terminatioon of a glacial maxima and to try and nominate a single factor, or exclude a factor is an error.
The point I was making about the correlation between the sea level rise at the end of the last glacial maxima and the rise in CO2 is that it is powerfull circumstantial evidence for the role of CO2 as a factor in the warming and melt of the ice-caps that caused the sea level rise like the A1 pulse.
Especially given the ‘previous’ that CO2 has as a GHG which plays a significant role in the energy flows that determine surface temperature.
Henry@izen
here is the famous paper that confirms to me that CO2 is (also) cooling the atmosphere by re-radiating sunshine:
http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/0004-637X/644/1/551/64090.web.pdf?request-id=76e1a830-4451-4c80-aa58-4728c1d646ec
they measured this radiation as it bounced back to earth from the moon. Follow the green line in fig. 6, bottom. Note that it already starts at 1.2 um, then one peak at 1.4 um, then various peaks at 1.6 um and 3 big peaks at 2 um.
This paper here shows that there is absorption of CO2 at between 0.21 and 0.19 um (close to 202 nm):
http://www.nat.vu.nl/en/sec/atom/Publications/pdf/DUV-CO2.pdf
There are other papers that I can look for again that will show that there are also absorptions of CO2 at between 0.18 and 0.135 um and between 0.125 and 0.12 um.
We already know from the normal IR spectra that CO2 has big absorption between 4 and 5 um where the sun is also still emitting…..
So, to sum it up, we know that CO2 has absorption in the 14-15 um range causing some warming (by re-radiating earthshine) but as shown and proved above it also has a number of absorptions in the 0-5 um range causing cooling (by re-radiating sunshine). This cooling happens at all levels where the sunshine hits on the carbon dioxide same as the earthshine. The way from the bottom to the top is the same as from top to the bottom. So, my question is: how much cooling and how much warming is caused by the CO2? How was the experiment done to determine this and where are the test results? Can you provide this to me, please?
Apart from that, we must also consider that CO2 causes cooling by taking part in the process of photo synthesis. The trees and greeneries extract heat to combine with CO2 and make us food. people are already adding more CO2 to real greenhouses to increase crop. How many W/m2 is that?
It appears from my results from a few samples of terrestial weather stations over the past 40-200 years that the effect of the increase in CO2 on temperature is close to zero.
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/more-carbon-dioxide-is-ok-ok