Unequivocal Equivocation – an open letter to Dr. Trenberth

This essay from Willis appeared on WUWT overnight Saturday while I slept. After reading it this morning, I decided to make it a sticky at the top of WUWT (I also added the open letter reference) because it says everything that needs to be said about the current state of affairs in climate science and the skeptic position. I ask readers not only to read it, but to disseminate it widely at other websites and forums. Hopefully, the right people will read this. Thanks for your consideration, and thank you, Willis.

UPDATE: I’ve made this essay available as a PDF here: Willis_Trenberth_WUWT_Essay suitable for printing and emailing. – Anthony

UPDATE2: Trenberth reacts: edits speech to fix copying, leaves “deniers”


Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

I would like to take as my text the following quote from the recent paper (PDF, 270k also on web here) by Dr. Kevin Trenberth:

Given that global warming is “unequivocal”, to quote the 2007 IPCC report, the null hypothesis should now be reversed, thereby placing the burden of proof on showing that there is no human influence [on the climate].

Figure 1. The game of Monopoly’s “Community Chest” card that was randomly drawn by Dr. Kevin Trenberth. Some guys are just lucky, I guess.

The “null hypothesis” in science is the condition that would result if what you are trying to establish is not true. For example, if your hypothesis is that air pressure affects plant growth rates, the null hypothesis is that air pressure has no effect on plant growth rates. Once you have both hypotheses, then you can see which hypothesis is supported by the evidence.

In climate science, the AGW hypothesis states that human GHG emissions significantly affect the climate. As such, the null hypothesis is that human GHG emissions do not significantly affect the climate, that the climate variations are the result of natural processes. This null hypothesis is what Doctor T wants to reverse.

As Steve McIntyre has often commented, with these folks you really have to keep your eye on the pea under the walnut shell. These folks seem to have sub-specialties in the “three-card monte” sub-species of science. Did you notice when the pea went from under one walnut shell to another in Dr. T’s quotation above? Take another look at it.

The first part of Dr. T’s statement is true. There is general scientific agreement that the globe has been warming, in fits and starts of course, for the last three centuries or so. And since it has been thusly warming for centuries, the obvious null hypothesis would have to be that the half-degree of warming we experienced in the 20th century was a continuation of some long-term ongoing natural trend.

But that’s not what Dr. Trenberth is doing here. Keep your eye on the pea. He has smoothly segued from the IPCC saying “global warming is ‘unequivocal'”, which is true, and stitched that idea so cleverly onto another idea, ‘and thus humans affect the climate’, that you can’t even see the seam.

The pea is already under the other walnut shell. He is implying that the IPCC says that scientists have “unequivocally” shown that humans are the cause of weather ills, and if I don’t take that as an article of faith, it’s my job to prove that we are not the cause of floods in Brisbane.

Now, lest you think that the IPCC actually did mean that ‘humans are the cause’ when they said (in his words) that ‘global warming was “unequivocal”‘, here’s their full statement from the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report Summary For Policymakers (2007)  (PDF, 3.7 MB):

Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global mean sea level (see Figure SPM-3).

Despite the vagueness of a lack of a timeframe, that is generally true, but it says nothing about humans being the cause. So he is totally misrepresenting the IPCC findings (which he helped write, remember, so it’s not a misunderstanding) to advance his argument. The IPCC said nothing like what he is implying.

Gotta love the style, though, simply proclaiming by imperial fiat that his side is the winner in one of the longest-running modern scientific debates. And his only proffered “evidence” for this claim? It is the unequivocal fact that Phil Jones and Michael Mann and Caspar Amman and Gene Wahl and the other good old boys of the IPCC all agree with him. That is to say, Dr. T’s justification for reversing the null hypothesis is that the IPCC report that Dr. T helped write agrees with Dr. T. That’s recursive enough to make Ouroboros weep in envy …

And the IPCC not only says it’s true, it’s “unequivocal”. Just plain truth wouldn’t be scientific enough for those guys, I guess. Instead, it is “unequivocal” truth. Here’s what “unequivocal” means (emphasis mine):

unequivocal: adjective:  admitting of no doubt or misunderstanding; having only one meaning or interpretation and leading to only one conclusion (“Unequivocal evidence”)

Notice how well crafted Dr. T’s sentence is. After bringing in “global warming”, he introduces the word “unequivocal”, meaning we can only draw one conclusion. Then in the second half of the sentence, he falsely attaches that “unequivocal” certainty of conclusion to his own curious conclusion, that the normal rules of science should be reversed for the benefit of … … well, not to put too fine a point on it, he’s claiming that normal scientific rules should be reversed for the benefit of Dr. Kevin Trenberth and the IPCC and those he supports. Probably just a coincidence, though.

For Dr. Trenberth to call for the usual null hypothesis (which is that what we observe in nature is, you know, natural) to be reversed, citing as his evidence the IPCC statement that the earth is actually warming, is nonsense. However, it is not meaningless nonsense. It is pernicious, insidious, and dangerous nonsense. He wants us to spend billions of dollars based on this level of thinking, and he has cleverly conflated two ideas to push his agenda.

I understand that Dr. T has a scientific hypothesis. This hypothesis, generally called the “AGW hypothesis”, is that if greenhouse gases (GHGs)  go up, the temperature must follow, and nothing else matters. The hypothesis is that the GHGs are the master thermostat for the globe, everything else just averages out in the long run, nothing could possibly affect the long-term climate but GHGs, nothing to see here, folks, move along. No other forcings, feedbacks, or hypotheses need apply. GHGs rule, OK?

Which is an interesting hypothesis, but it is woefully short of either theoretical or observational support. In part, of course, this is because the AGW hypothesis provides almost nothing in the way of a statement or a prediction which can be falsified. This difficulty in falsification of the hypothesis, while perhaps attractive to the proponents of the hypothesis, inevitably implies a corresponding difficulty in verification or support of the hypothesis.

In addition, a number of arguably cogent and certainly feasible scientific objections have been raised against various parts of the hypothesis, from the nature and sign of the forcings considered and unconsidered, to the existence of natural thermostatic mechanisms.

Finally, to that we have to add the general failure of what few predictions have come from the teraflops of model churning in support of the AGW hypothesis. We haven’t seen any acceleration in sea level rise. We haven’t seen any climate refugees. The climate model Pinatubo prediction was way off the mark. The number and power of hurricanes hasn’t increased as predicted. And you remember the coral atolls and Bangladesh that you and the IPCC warned us about, Dr. T, the ones that were going to get washed away by the oncoming Thermageddon? Bangladesh and the atoll islands are both getting bigger, not smaller. We were promised a warming of two, maybe even three tenths of a degree per decade this century if we didn’t mend our evil carbon-loving ways, and so far we haven’t mended one thing, and we have seen … well … zero tenths of a degree for the first decade.

So to date, the evidentiary scorecard looks real bad for the AGW hypothesis. Might change tomorrow, I’m not saying the game’s over, that’s AGW nonsense that I’ll leave to Dr. T. I’m just saying that after a quarter century of having unlimited funding and teraflops of computer horsepower and hundreds of thousands of hours of grad students’ and scientists’ time and the full-throated support of the media and university departments dedicated to establishing the hypothesis, AGW supporters have not yet come up with much observational evidence to show for the time and money invested. Which should give you a clue as to why Dr. T is focused on the rules of the game. As the hoary lawyer’s axiom has it, if you can’t argue facts argue the law [the rules of the game], and if you can’t argue the law pound the table and loudly proclaim your innocence …

So now, taking both tacks at once in his paper, Dr. T. is both re-asserting his innocence and proposing that we re-write the rules of the whole game … I find myself cracking up laughing over my keyboard at the raw nerve of the man. If he and his ideas weren’t so dangerous, it would be truly funny.

Look, I’m sorry to be the one to break the bad news to you, Dr. T, but you can’t change the rules of scientific inquiry this late in the game. Here are the 2011 rules, which curiously are just like the 1811 rules.

First, you have to show that some aspect of the climate is historically anomalous or unusual. As far as I know, no one has done that, including you. So the game is in serious danger before it is even begun. If you can’t show me where the climate has gone off its natural rails, if you can’t point to where the climate is acting unusually or anomalously, then what good are your explanations as to why it supposedly went off the rails at some mystery location you can’t identify?

(And of course, this is exactly what Dr. T would gain by changing the rules, and may relate to his desire to change them. With so few examples to give to support his position, after a quarter century of searching for such evidence, it would certainly be tempting to try to change the rules … but I digress.)

But perhaps, Dr. T., perhaps you have found some such climate anomaly which cannot be explained as natural variation and you just haven’t made it public yet.

If you have evidence that the climate is acting anomalously, then Second, you have to show that the anomaly can be explained by human actions. And no, Dr. T., you can’t just wave your hands and say something like “Willis, the IPCC sez you have to prove that what generations of people called ‘natural’, actually is natural”. There’s an arcane technical scientific name for that, too. It’s called “cheating”, Dr. T., and is frowned on in the better circles of scientific inquiry …

(N.B. – pulling variables out of a tuned computer model and then proudly announcing that the model doesn’t work without the missing variables doesn’t mean you have established that humans affect the climate. It simply means that you tuned your computer model to reproduce the historical record using all the variables, and as an inevitable result, when using only part of those variables your model doesn’t do as well at reproducing the historical record. No points for that claim.)

Third, you have to defend your work, and not just from the softball questions of your specially selected peer reviewers who “know what to say” to get you published in scientific journals. In 2011, curiously, we’ve gone back to the customs of the 1800s, the public marketplace of ideas — except this time it’s an electronic marketplace of ideas, rather than people speaking from the dais and in the halls of the Royal Society in London. If you won’t stand up and publicly defend your work, it’s simple – you won’t be believed. And not just by me. Other scientists are watching, and considering, and evaluating.

This doesn’t mean you have to reply to every idiot with a half-baked objection and a tin-foil hat. It does mean that if you refuse to answer serious scientific questions, people will take note of that refusal. You must have noticed how such refusal to answer scientific questions totally destroyed the scientific credibility of the website RealClimate. Well, they’re your friends, so perhaps you didn’t notice, but if not, you should notice, here’s an example. (PDF, 147K) Running from serious scientific questions, as they make a practice of doing at RealClimate, makes you look weak whether you are or not.

And Always, you have to show your work. You have to archive your data. You have to reveal your computer algorithms. You have to expose everything that supports and sustains your claims to the brutal light of public inquiry, warts and all.

Dr. T., I fear you’ll have to get used to the sea change, this is not your father’s climate science. The bottom line is we’re no longer willing to trust you. You could publish in the Akashic Records and I wouldn’t believe what you said until I checked the figures myself. I’m sorry to say it, but by the actions of you and your colleagues, you have forfeited the public’s trust. You blew your credibility, Dr. T, and you have not yet rebuilt it.

And further actions like your current attempt to re-write the rules of science aren’t helping at all. Nor is trying to convince us that you look good with a coat of the finest English whitewash from the “investigations” into Climategate. Didn’t you guys notice the lesson of Watergate, that the coverup is more damaging than the original malfeasance?

Dr. T, you had a good run, you were feted and honored, but the day of reckoning up the cost has come and gone. Like some book said, you and the other un-indicted co-conspirators have been weighed in the balances, and found wanting. At this point, you have two choices — accept it and move on, or bitch about it. I strongly advise the former, but so far all I see is the latter.

You want to regain the trust of the public, for yourself and for climate science? It won’t be easy, but it can be done. Here’s my shortlist of recommendations for you and other mainstream climate scientists:

•  Stop trying to sell the idea that the science is settled. Climate science is a new science, we don’t even have agreement on whether clouds warm or cool the planet, we don’t know if there are thermostatic interactions that tend to maintain some temperature in preference to others. Or as you wrote to Tom Wigley, Dr. T,

How come you do not agree with a statement that says we are no where close to knowing where energy is going or whether clouds are changing to make the planet brighter.  We are not close to balancing the energy budget.  The fact that we can not account for what is happening in the climate system makes any consideration of geoengineering quite hopeless as we will never be able to tell if it is successful or not!  It is a travesty!

SOURCE: email 1255550975

Curious. You state strongly to your friend that we’re not close to knowing where the energy is going or to balancing the energy budget, yet you say in public that we know enough to take the most extraordinary step of reversing the null hypothesis … how does that work again?

At this point, there’s not much about climate science that is “unequivocal” except that the climate is always changing.

•  Don’t try to change the rules of the game in mid-stream. It makes you look desperate, whether you are or not.

•  Stop calling people “deniers”, my goodness, after multiple requests that’s just common courtesy and decency, where are your manners? It makes you look surly and uncivilized, whether you are or not.

•  Stop avoiding public discussion and debate of your work. You are asking us to spend billions of dollars based on your conclusions. If you won’t bother to defend those conclusions, don’t bother us with them. Refusing to publicly defend your billion dollar claims make it look like you can’t defend them, whether you can or not.

•  Stop secretly moving the pea under the walnut shells. You obviously think we are blind, you also clearly believe we wouldn’t remember that you said we have a poor understanding of the climate system. Disabuse yourself of the idea that you are dealing with fools or idiots, and do it immediately. As I have found to my cost, exposing my scientific claims to the cruel basilisk gaze of the internet is like playing chess with Deep Blue … individual processors have different abilities, but overall any faults in my ideas will certainly be exposed. Too many people looking at my ideas from too many sides for much to slip through. Trying anything but absolute honesty on the collective memory and wisdom of the internet makes you look like both a fool and con man, whether you are one or not.

•  Write scientific papers that don’t center around words like “possibly” or “conceivably” or “might”. Yes, possibly all of the water molecules in my glass of water might be heading upwards at the same instant, and I could conceivably win the Mega-Ball lottery, and I might still play third base for the New York Yankees, but that is idle speculation that has no place in scientific inquiry. Give us facts, give us uncertainties, but spare us the stuff like “This raises the possibility that by 2050, this could lead to the total dissolution of all inter-atomic bonds …”. Yeah, I suppose it could. So what, should I buy a lottery ticket?

Stop lauding the pathetic purveyors of failed prophecies. Perhaps you climate guys haven’t noticed, but Paul Ehrlich was not a visionary genius. He was a failure whose only exceptional talent is the making of apocalyptic forecasts that didn’t come true. In any business he would not have lasted one minute past the cratering collapse of his first ridiculous forecast of widespread food riots and worldwide deaths from global famine in the 1980s … but in academia, despite repeating his initial “We’re all gonna crash and burn, end of the world coming up soon, you betcha” prognostication method several more times with no corresponding crashing burning or ending, he’s still a professor at Stanford. Now that’s understandable under tenure rules, you can’t fire him for being a serially unsuccessful doomcaster. But he also appears to be one of your senior AGW thinkers and public representatives, which is totally incomprehensible to me.

His string of predicted global catastrophes that never came anywhere near true was only matched by the inimitable collapses of the prophecies of his wife Anne, and of his cohorts John Holdren and the late Stephen Schneider. I fear we’ll never see their like again, a fearsome foursome who between them never made one single prediction that actually came to pass. Stop using them as your spokesmodels, it doesn’t increase confidence in your claims.

•  Enough with the scary scenarios, already. You’ve done the Chicken Little thing to death, give it a rest, it is sooo last century. It makes you look both out-of-date and hysterical whether you are or not.

•  Speak out against scientific malfeasance whenever and wherever you see it. This is critical to the restoration of trust. I’m sick of watching climate scientists doing backflips to avoid saying to Lonnie Thompson “Hey, idiot, archive all of your data, you’re ruining all of our reputations!”. The overwhelming silence of mainstream AGW scientists on these matters is one of the (unfortunately numerous) reasons that the public doesn’t trust climate scientists, and justifiably so. You absolutely must clean up your own house to restore public trust, no one else can do it. Speak up. We can’t hear you.

•  Stop re-asserting the innocence of you and your friends. It makes you all look guilty, whether you are or not … and since the CRU emails unequivocally favor the “guilty” possibility, it makes you look unapologetic as well as guilty. Whether you are or not.

•  STOP HIDING THINGS!!! Give your most private data and your most top-secret computer codes directly to your worst enemies and see if they can poke holes in your ideas. If they can’t, then you’re home free. That is true science, not hiding your data and gaming the IPCC rules to your advantage.

•  Admit the true uncertainties. The mis-treatment of uncertainty in the IPCC reports, and the underestimation of true uncertainty in climate science in general, is a scandal.

•  Scrap the IPCC. It has run its race. Do you truly think that whatever comes out of the next IPCC report will make the slightest difference to the debate? You’ve had four IPCC reports in a row, each one more alarmist than the previous one. You’ve had every environmental organization shilling for you. You’ve had billions of dollars in support, Al Gore alone spent $300 million on advertising and advocacy. You’ve had 25 years to make your case, with huge resources and supercomputers and entire governments on your side, and you are still losing the public debate … after all of that, do you really think another IPCC report will change anything?

If it is another politically driven error-fest like the last one, I don’t think so. And what are the odds of it being an honest assessment of the science? Either way the next IPCC report won’t settle a single discussion, even if it is honest science. Again, Dr. T, you have only yourself and your friends to blame. You used the IPCC to flog bad science like the Hokeyschtick, your friends abused the IPCC to sneak in papers y’all favored and keep out papers you didn’t like, you didn’t check your references so stupid errors were proclaimed as gospel truth, it’s all a matter of record.

Do you truly think that after Climategate, and after the revelations of things like IPCC citations of WWF propaganda pieces as if they were solid science, and after Pachauri’s ludicrous claim that it was “voodoo science” to point out the Himalayan glacier errors, after all that do you think anyone with half a brain still believes the IPCC is some neutral arbiter of climate science whose ex-cathedra pronouncements can be relied upon?

Because if you do think people still believe that, you really should get out more. At this point people don’t trust the IPCC any more than they trust you and your friends. Another IPCC report will be roundly ignored by one side, and cited as inerrant gospel by the other side. How will that help anyone? Forget about the IPCC, it is a meaningless distraction, and get back to the science.

That’s my free advice, Dr. T., and I’m sure it’s worth every penny you paid for it. Look, I don’t think you’re a bad guy. Sadly for you, but fortunately for us, you got caught hanging out with the bad boys who had their hands in the cookie jar. And tragically for everyone, all of you were seduced by “noble cause corruption”. Hey, it’s nothing to be ashamed of, it’s happened to me too, you’re not the first guy to think that the nobility of your cause justified improper actions.

But as far as subsequently proclaiming your innocence and saying that you and your friends did nothing wrong? Sorry, Dr. T, the jury has already come in on that one, and they weren’t distracted by either the nobility of your cause, nor by the unequivocal fact that you and your friends were whitewashed as pure as the driven snow in the investigation done by your other friends … instead, they noted your emails saying things like:

In that regard I don’t think you can ignore it all, as Mike [Mann] suggests as one option, but the response should try to somehow label these guys a[s] lazy and incompetent and unable to do the huge amount of work it takes to construct such a database.

Indeed technology and data handling capabilities have evolved and not everything was saved.  So my feeble suggestion is to indeed cast aspersions on their motives and throw in some counter rhetoric.  Labeling them as lazy with nothing better to do seems like a good thing to do.

SOURCE: email 1177158252

Yeah, that’s the ticket, that’s how a real scientist defends his scientific claims …

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January 16, 2011 5:52 am

[Oops – I may have just posted the snippet – clicked “Post Comment” instead of “edit” (the ItsAllText Firefox addon). Sorry].
richcar 1225 says:
January 15, 2011 at 8:13 pm

NPR, in a radio segment today pitted a ‘climate scientist’ against a kid in the global warming debate. The kid suggested she would like to hear the other side of the debate.

That’s at http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/424/kid-politics , act two as they like to say:

Act Two. Climate Changes. People Don’t.
Climate expert Dr. Roberta Johnson presents the best evidence there is that climate change is real, in hopes of convincing a very skeptical audience: a 14 year old named Erin Gustafson. (14 minutes)

I heard a bit of the beginning and end. “Free mp3 available Sunday 7PM” – from Chicago, so likely Monday 0100 UT.

H.R.
January 16, 2011 5:53 am

old construction worker says:
January 16, 2011 at 5:00 am
“[…] I will be sending a copy Willis’s Essay to the Honorable Senator Sharron Brown of Ohio. […]”
Better send it to Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio. ;o)

Editor
January 16, 2011 5:55 am

Robb876 says:
January 15, 2011 at 3:55 am
> Could anybody actually make it through that entire post??
Yep! Now, making through all of the comments, I can’t keep up. And Saturday is the slow day on the web. Had Willis posted this Thursday, the moderators would have collapsed within 24 hours.

Buzz Belleville
January 16, 2011 6:31 am

1. Willis Eschenbach says:
January 15, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Mr. Eschenbach – I’m sorry you find my comments so distasteful.
My comment: What a dishonest posting.
Your response: “What an unpleasant start, Buzz [snip]. Come back when you have learned to use your indoor voice and play nicely with the other children, there’s a good boy … I may be an idiot, and I certainly may be mistaken, but by god I’m an honest man. For you to start your posting by insulting the honesty of someone you never met is a really, really dumb thing to do, Buzzbrain. You’ve poisoned your own well.”
First, I’ll defend my statement. The original posting is intellectually dishonest. You accuse Trenberth of implying – through a single cherry-picked sentence – that the IPCC found human causation of weather ills (rather than just warming generally) to be “unequivocal.” It did not, obviously. But then you quote the IPCC a few times to show that “the IPCC said nothing like what he is implying.” You fail to mention the IPCC’s “highly likely” finding, implying that the IPCC reached no conclusions as to human causation. In other words, you’re engaged in the exact same fallacy you’ve accused Trenberth of committing. So I stand by my contention that the original post is dishonest.
Second, you accuse me of a lack of civility for questioning the posting’s intellectual honesty. In your post, you patronize me like a child (“use your indoor voice and play nicely with the other children, there’s a good boy”), called what I said “dumb,” name-call (“Buzzbrain,” “Buzz Lightyear,” “Buzzard”), and accused me of ignorance (“do your homework,” “stay awake,” “try to keep up,” etc.). I may be substantively incorrect, sir (most posters on this board agree with you, while other boards would mock your “analysis” mercilessly), but any objective analysis of our two comments would grade yours much lower on the civility scale.
My post: The point that we haven’t warmed the past decade and that the past 30 years are consistent with natural variability …. kind of shameless. You have to do some serious manipulations with starting years or peak years to come to those conclusions.
Your response: “Actually, it’s no warming for the past 15 years, and even Phil Jones has said that the past 30 years are statistically indistinguishable from the last rise in temperature. You sure you stayed awake during the intermission? Because what you are saying is not just unbelievably stupid, it is also 100% wrong. DO YOUR HOMEWORK FIRST, you are embarrassing yourself.
And “shameless”??? Are you unable to open your mouth without insulting someone, is that a requirement for your writing?”
Quite apart from your screaming and continuing patronizing, I am quite sure you know the true story. All of the temp keepers (NCDC, GISS, HadCRUT, RSS, UAH) show broad agreement that this past decade averaged between 0.16-0.18 degrees C warmer than past decade. It is a false statement of fact to say that the planet hasn’t warmed in the past decade, and it is shameless to claim otherwise. You can pick an isolated year (1998, 2005) and say that a particular later year (2008) is cooler, but that’s not what you did.
And here’s the part of the Phil Jones interview you’re referring to:
Question: “Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming?”
Jones: “Yes, but only just. I also calculated the trend for the period 1995 to 2009. This trend (0.12C per decade) is positive, but not significant at the 95% significance level. The positive trend is quite close to the significance level. Achieving statistical significance in scientific terms is much more likely for longer periods, and much less likely for shorter periods.”
In other words, it has gotten warmer, even in a cherry-picked timeframe. If you add in 2010, we’re at the statistically significant level. And if you go back further than 1995, we’re above 0.2C degrees per decade.
And for good measure, here’s another question and answer, verbatim:
“How confident are you that warming has taken place and that humans are mainly responsible?”
Jones: “I’m 100 percent confident that the climate has warmed. As to the second question, I would go along with IPCC Chapter 9 – there’s evidence that most of the warming since the 1950s is due to human activity.”
My comment: Nine of the 10 warmest on record within the past decade (1998 being the other). The rolling 5-year or 13-month averages on a steady upward trend. In fact, including the last two years, we are well within the 0.2-0.3 degrees C per decade. And the last 30 years show a marked departure from the previous 300 in terms of the rate of temp increase and the temp levels reached.
Your response: “Well, Buzz Lightweight, as they say … duh.
In a time of general warming, it sounds like you expect the warmest decade to be at the start of the record. Here in the real world, we know that when the earth has been warming for three centuries, the warmest decade (whether in the 1700s, 1800s, or 1900s) will likely be the most recent one. We expect that, y’know, so we’re not surprised when it happens as you seem to be.
Since you seem to be surprised by this predictable outcome, perhaps you could explain to the class why this is likely to be true in a time of centuries of general warming, and why it MEANS NOTHING ABOUT WHETHER HUMANS AFFECT THE CLIMATE.”
I understand, but disagree with, your premise. We’re not in a period of “general (aka natural) warming.” Regardless of your belief in the cause of the LIA (the Maunder minimum or the more recent hypothesis of a prolonged NAO), those causative conditions ceased to exist in the mid- to late-1800s, at the latest. No “lag time” suggestion could say that the cessation of these phenomena are still causing current warming. Moreover, my comment was in response to your claim that we haven’t warmed the past decade (which is demonstrably false).
My comment: This past week, I started into the “international climate regime” part of my sustainable energy law class, and I’m always amazed by how accurate those warning of AGW in the 1980s were. They nailed it. We should have listened to them long ago.
Your response: “Well, that makes your nastiness understandable, you are training to be a lawyer, which ups the odds that “Buzz” is really short for Buzzard.
OK, Buzzard, If you think the 1980s predictions were accurate, perhaps you could also share with the class what the warnings of AGW in the 1980s were … ”
Actually, I teach the class, at a law school in coal country. Students that plan to head into the field need to understand where the law is heading, whether its the reach of Mass v EPA, the new EPA stationary source regs, the financial incentives for energy projects, etc. I’m just fixing the misperception my comment must have caused, not claiming that gives me any particular expertise. Every year, as I start to get into teaching the UNFCCC and Kyoto, I need to review things like the First Climate Conference, the Toronto Conference on the Changing Atmosphere, the various declarations and agreements around the globe, the Second Climate Conference – all things that happened in the run-up to the Framework Convention. The broad identification of the problem, projected temp increases made during these events, and identification of effects of climate change proved extremely accurate. That was my point.
(As an aside, and in response to mostly other posters, it’s not true that scientists in the 80’s or even in the 70’s were predicting “cooling” rather than “warming.” Yes, there were a couple mainstream magazine covers that talked of cooling in the 1970s. But, by a ratio of 6-to-1, peer reviewed scientists who ventured an opinion in the 1970s were in fact predicting warming, not cooling. There was no doubt in the 1970’s that CO2 caused warming by trapping reflective heat, or that aerosols and particulate matter caused cooling. Natural solar cycles and NAO cycles were also understood in the 1970s. What wasn’t understood was what forcing agent would be dominant in subsequent years. As noted above, the great majority (44 of 51) who ventured an opinion that passed peer review sniff tests were predicting warming, Time and Newsweek magazine covers notwithstanding.)
I don’t know about the individual predictions about some specific quantifiable change in isolated effects you cite. If I spent the time, I could give you a litany of incorrect predictions on fundamental AGW premises by skeptics (not just those of non-scientists saying we’re heading into a cooling period, but Spencer’s changing cause-and-effect theories and Lindzen’s iris projections), but that’s beyond the scope of this exchange.
Your comment: “Buzz, you’ve wandered into a buzz-saw here. You obviously haven’t been following the story at all. If you try again, you’ll only get hurt. You are fighting outside your weight class, against men who participated in the original battles around the time of your birth.
My advice in that case? Shut up and learn something.”
Thanks for the advice. I’ve spent years trying to understand the nuances on both sides of this debate. I think I’ll keep engaging the skeptics anyway, despite your advice. I learn more that way than just engaging relatively like-minded folks on HuffPo or the NYT.
As to your ad hominem attacks and tone — “Me thinks he doth protest too much.”

Jim
January 16, 2011 6:36 am

@izen – do you have a link describing the DLR “anomaly” you are taking about?

January 16, 2011 6:57 am

Stuart Huggett says: January 16, 2011 at 4:22 am

A point I would have thought that the legal people posting here might have picked up is the parallel legal principle to the null hypothesis – that of ‘innocent until proven guilty’.

YES
It’s not exactly the same, but it is a way to help people understand rather than shut off.
Moreover the fourfold principle of a court of law comes into its own in a way I think is very important for us. This is as follows:
1. Case for the Prosecution
Climate alarmists describe their version of IPCC – “MAN IS GUILTY”
2. Case for the Defence
True climate scientists state the true science – “There is no conclusive evidence of this, and a lot of evidence against it”
3. Prosecution attacks the case for Defence
The pseudoskeptic alarmists “debunk” all the skeptics’ issues a la John Cook.
4. Defence answers Prosecution’s attacks
For instance, Monckton showed (stage 2) that by IPCC’s own science, the warming effect from increasing CO2 was incorrect – far too high. Gavin Schmidt answered (stage 3) but then coyly declined to reveal the fact that Monckton actually answered all Gavin’s points (this stage, 4)
IMHO we will not win this war until we can band together to carry out Stage Four regarding all the major statements of Stage Three ie Royal Society, NAS, BBC, RealClimate, Gristmill, and John Cook – and produce a joint statement to all the alarmists’ issues that is agreed or at least accepted by all skeptics. Monckton is sadly still a lone voice in doing this. And meanwhile Prosecution still runs rings round us. Those rings may be weakening but they are still there, as is evidenced by those like Buzz.

jae
January 16, 2011 7:01 am

HAS sez:
“The fact that the null often reflects the default or commonly held view is simply because typically it isn’t usually very interesting to prove what is already common belief. But when there’s real argument or difference of views the experimenter is free to choose what they are trying to do in their experiment.
So Dr T is perfectly at liberty to say I’m testing to falsify that CO2 has no/limited impact on temperatures. In fact he should have been doing this all along given what he clearly believes.”
No. By switching the null hypothesis in this manner, scientists are forced to try to prove a negative. This is logically impossible, and Trenberth probably knows that. What a perfect hypothesis for them! Society would then have to cave in to the CAGW nonsense because they cannot prove there’s nothing to it (and it looks like there is not)!

Theo Goodwin
January 16, 2011 7:04 am

Stuart Huggett says:
January 16, 2011 at 4:22 am
“This analogy seems to me to be particularly useful in resolving the point made by Izen at several posts – the need for the null hypothesis to be defined (or at least that is what I think he is requiring)…The null hypothesis is simple – there is no abnormal variation in the present climate and it is incumbent upon anyone falsifying this hypothesis to demonstrate that there is abnormal variation.”
Very well said. Some people have a gift for plain speaking and others attain the ability after a lot of self-criticism. I cannot trust a so-called scientist who cannot state his hypotheses in his own humble words and without resort to complicated machinery that presents risks of its own. The number one rule for any analyst is that the tools of analysis cannot be more complicated than the problem to be analyzed.

Magnus
January 16, 2011 7:19 am
Wagathon
January 16, 2011 7:21 am

I think the comments scare the Leftists of the AGW Climate-Man True Believer Cult more than establishment skeptics. The forum that hosted the debate between Trenberth and Gray (Gray the clear winner) was taken summarily taken down: the debate lives but the comments were killed. These AGW humanitarians of the Left need their Governor Palins like Nazis needed Jews.

Theo Goodwin
January 16, 2011 7:29 am

eadler writes:
“I suspect that climate model researchers who understand the physics would attack these assumptions if they were incorrect. Can you cite any refutations of this particular set of assumptions in the climate modeling literature?”
This is a brazen appeal to authority. You do not understand what the modelers are doing. You cannot explain what they are doing in your own words. You should say that you are clueless about the modelers’ claims. Instead, you bow to them and ask us to join you. These facts alone should set you free from the delusion that has you worshiping the modelers.
Climate science is not rocket science. It is a branch of natural history. It is not physics. There will be no conceptual breakthroughs in high-level theory of the sort that took us from Newton’s physics to Einstein’s physics. There will be a lot of hard work creating and confirming hypotheses about the actual behavior of our atmosphere. Models are not hypotheses and cannot replace them. If you want to make claims for climate science, present the hypotheses that enable them to predict climate phenomena. By the way, at this time there are none.

January 16, 2011 7:45 am

This is why I visit this site almost every day. Bravo! I cannot wait for new data!

Kev-in-Uk
January 16, 2011 8:11 am

ref: the legal ”innocent til proven guilty’ angle – that is not strictly applied in most cases of civil law (as opposed to criminal law) – in the civil type actions, there simply has to be a majority of evidence either for or against. Technically, a case can be won by 51% to 49%. This is exactly the nature of the AGW ‘case’ – it is definitively presented as a theory which cannot be categorically proven or categorically debunked (though I would personally say it is debunked) – and therefore we are in the realms of a ‘balance of probabilities’ type case, which suits the warmists and alarmists down to the ground – they have no need to PROVE anything, just try and move the opinion to 51% – Job done! Of course, in a court case, all documentary evidence must be FULLY disclosed and available for all to review, sadly, this is not the situation with respect to the pro-AGW science!

George Lawson
January 16, 2011 8:15 am

What an outstanding contribution to the real discussion on AGW. It beautifully sums up everything that is wrong with the science of the AGW cult. My suggestions to help our cause is for each of us to email to each of our pro-AGW friends this outstanding post together with the Dr. Trenberth piece. That way we will be more able to argue our corner when we meet them at dinners and other social occasions, but more importantly such action will have a marked effect in bringing doubt to the AGW argument and hasten its total demise. Nine of my friends have already got it on their in box. Go on everybody set to work now and do the same, it’s vital to our cause.

chris b
January 16, 2011 8:30 am

Has it been pointed out that the “Community Chest” card actually reads “Community Cheat”?
LOL

R. de Haan
January 16, 2011 8:38 am

WOW, GLOBAL COLD TAKING HOLD! Joe Bastardi
The 06z run of the GFS as a global temp forecast of -.38C against the normals by midnight the 21st! Given where we are now, and what is projected the next 7 days at least, the Jan temp should finish between .1 and .2c below normal, which would be a drop, since August of over .6c!
Now for those that think this is just a drop in the bucket, let me give you the facts. The global spike by the el nino was short lived because the el nino collapsed quickly. Why? Because we are in a cold PDO. Cold events in a cold PDO last longer and are stronger. The idea of the biggest one year drop from 2010 to 2011, which exceeds the post 97-98 nino drop looks darn good. Why? Because we had a warm PDO.
More importantly, the average Joe, paying attention, will be able to easily see the linkage between the fluctuations of the ocean and the global temp. The ideas I have touting, trying to get people to understand that temp is a measure of energy, and the cooling where its warm matters much more to what is going to happen than warming where its cool, is showing why the forecast made here over 9 months ago for this drop has merit. A cold pdo, then amo.. the global temps fall, the opposite, as had been the case up until 3 years ago ( the amo is still warm) they rise. That it leveled off before hand shows the earths tendency to fight back in the first place, and also that no new ENERGY was being added to the system, or stored, to create the opined apocalypse. In addition, there is no sign of stratospheric cooling in the larger term, which is the tell tale sign of true tropospheric warming. Now hot spots being stored at 25,000 feet and compensating cooling above. Nada. At the surface, global sea ice can be explained simply by the fact that warm amo and pdo warm the continents around them in the means, which surround the northern ice cap. Now, what do you think will happen when we go the opposite way
I realize everyone else is now waking up to this, and the deniers of the facts ( they want to call me a denier, well two can play this game) are saying this a fluctuation down, which will be met by bigger turn up. Wrong. The reason the global spike, whether you want to say it was the warmest ever or not ( 2010) could not go well beyond it is because the cooling has begun. After all, if the base state was higher than the 98 warm event, why didnt we just blow it away to get back to the IPCC forecast cone.
I’m beginning to believe one side of my opponents argument.. that the debate may indeed be over, but not for the reasons they think. However if this all does occur, you wont see me arguing for the end of the debate of the influence of man… just arguing we shouldnt be shoving things down peoples throat based on agenda driven conclusions. I do think even if I carry the field on this FORECAST the next 10-20 years, it does not mean that my side should do to the other side what they have attempted to do to us, given that there is the lurking in the background the idea that so much research does have value. I guess that is what happens when one was brought up to be tolerant, open-minded and yes liberal IN THE TRUE SENSE OF THE WORDS. You do respect the other side, and what they bring to the table.
I have never said that curbing emissions in an effort to better the world should not have a seat at the table, its just that its not at the head of the table. And I trust this will be proven to all but the most dogmatic over the coming years.
And by the way, the ice, which has been lagging behind, is about to get a big boost as the AO goes toward positive. Remember that forecast is FOR THE SUMMER.. that we will have less ice melt than the past 5 years. Its not summer yet, and the areas lagging are about to turn colder for the rest of winter and spring. The US navy has been doing studies and they reveal precisely what people who dont have their head buried in the sand know, the THICK SEA ICE IS INCREASING! You can look at that yourself here.
http://hidethedecline.eu/pages/posts/trends-in-arctic-ice-thickness-and-volume- 211.php
Naturally, this is not showing up in the mainstream, and it takes a blog that is trying to offer counter ideas to show this. But its also fascinating to me that apparently a military organization, who by their very nature have to confront cold hard facts in their dealings, since lives are on the line immediately in their jobs, come up with a different conclusion than is seen in the civilian sector, WHO THEY ARE MADE TO PROTECT.. no matter what the cost.
You do the math.
ciao for now
Have a look at Joe’s blog, there are more interesting stories to read
http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bastardi-europe-blog.asp?partner=accuweather
So, with global temps trailing below average, a fact not predicted by the UN IPCC, not predicted by NASA/GISS activist James Hansen, Trenberth nor Al Gore or all the other clowns the AGW claim that our CO2 emissions drive global temperatures is DEAD, DEAD, DEAD, DEAD, DEAD, DEAD, DEAD, DEAD, DEAD, DEAD.

Grant Hillemeyer
January 16, 2011 8:41 am

I certainly understand why W.E is hot under the collar, we’ve all been suffering under decades idiocy that seems to increase as the scientific proof for AGW decreases. All of this fear mongering has an impact on all of us. Take for an example the misinformation about nuclear energy that has become truth in our culture over the past 30 years. Where are we today? Suffering again under idiots that think we’ll have refrigerator sized power plants in our basements in five years. Ask anyone on the street if solar power is a feasible alternative to coal. Then ask them how large a solar field must be constructed (in the sun belt) to replace just one of the 1,000 mega watt power plants in this country. It’ about one square mile of panels that will not produce energy at night or on cloudy days.
Meanwhile the elderly freeze to death in England and it’s coming to a town near you if people like Dr. T keep this up.
I believe this is an imperative:
Nuclear power now
Natural gas for transportation now
We face many economic challenges in this country. Without affordable, clean domestic energy we will follow the fate of AGW

Jim D
January 16, 2011 8:55 am

CO2 accounts for 20% of the greenhouse effect. Adding 40% more CO2 means humans have increased the greenhouse effect by between 1 and 2% even without feedbacks. Given this, the null hypothesis that humans have had no effect on climate is already scientifically untenable. What remains of it is a merely statistical exercise for the signal to emerge from the noise, which it clearly has, but that leaves many still in denial. Examine the 0.5 degree warming and try to explain it entirely with the ocean and sun. It doesn’t work, plain and simple.

Vince Causey
January 16, 2011 9:01 am

Buzz Belleville:
Regarding your last post:
You wrore: “I understand, but disagree with, your premise. We’re not in a period of “general (aka natural) warming.” Regardless of your belief in the cause of the LIA (the Maunder minimum or the more recent hypothesis of a prolonged NAO), those causative conditions ceased to exist in the mid- to late-1800s, at the latest.”
The fact is, we can’t fully account for the causative conditions that give rise to an approximately 900 year climate cycle. And yet, there we see Minoan, Roman, Medieval and Modern warm periods. They all had causative factors that were extant (obviously) throughout the cycles yet you dismiss any such factors can now exist. And you wonder why people are sceptical?

Peter Miller
January 16, 2011 9:05 am

An excellent article.
However, what struck me – apart from the occasional alarmist rant – was how well written and carefully considered most of the comments here have been. People who can write good coherent English are not usually stupid – I suspect this is something which must really upset the AGW cult commanders.
If you go on to a typical alarmist website, the comments are usually of the “Yah boo!” variety, from the semi-literate masses. It is rare indeed to find one of these sites which will publish a contrarian comment, presumably because they think censorship is the best way of protecting the faithful followers of bad science from the facts.

January 16, 2011 9:19 am

Buzz Belleville says:
“As to your ad hominem attacks and tone…”
You started it, bud. Calling someone “dishonest” because you don’t agree is the same as calling him a liar. I’m surprised Willis was as restrained as he was. If you had called me a liar I would have let you have it with both barrels.

R. de Haan
January 16, 2011 9:25 am
January 16, 2011 9:28 am

I have had two kids, and when they were small they were quickly able to communicate to me if they wanted warmth, food or love
Now I have two dogs, and somehow they are also always able to do exactly the same.
yesterday, the plants and trees in the garden talked to me.
They said they really wanted more warmth and more food (carbon dioxide)
but now we have thousands and thousands of people who believe – or who have been made to believe \ (brainwashed) –
that global warming and carbon dioxide is bad
What to do in a case like this? We have people standing up for animal rights, so why don’t we stand up for the rights of plants and trees? Then we sue Trenbirth and his ilk in a court of law. I think Willis alone has enough proof to bring them all down.
BTW I think I may have proved that CO2 does not cause any global warming.
http://letterdash.com/HenryP/assessment-of-global-warming-and-global-warming-caused-by-greenhouse-forcings-in-pretoria-south-africa

Ed Scott
January 16, 2011 9:51 am

Bon Appetit!
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Global warming researchers says eating bugs better for environment than eating meat
Sunday, January 16, 2011 by: Ethan A. Huff, staff writer
http://www.naturalnews.com/031023_global_warming_insects.html
(NaturalNews) Researchers from Wageningen University in the Netherlands say that insects produce far less greenhouse gases than cattle and pigs do, and would thus be a viable alternative to eating meat. Published in the journal PLoS ONE, the study found that pigs, for instance, produce up to one hundred times more greenhouse gases than the equivalent weight of mealworms.

Editor
January 16, 2011 9:51 am

Buzz Beleville
I thought you wrote a long and thoughtful response. One of the prime difficulties I have is that we generally use too short a timescale when we consider climate.
Typically that equates to the ‘life time’ viewpoint; “its warmer than when I was a child,”
The scientific viewpoint; “The warmest since satellite records began” (in 1979)
The quasi historical; “the warmest in the global instrumental record”, generally taken by Brits to be 1850 (CRU) and Americans to be 1880 (Giss)
I think we can all agree that the first two time measurements are MUCH to short to be at all meaningful.
As for the longer records, firstly we must stop being believng we know what a global temperature is, let alone that we have accurately captured it to tenths of a degree (do you actually know how instrumental land and sea records were taken?)
We must then recognise that our instrumental records actually go back to 1659 in Britain, and a few decades later in other countries. Our extensive weather records enable us to go back much further with some accuracy.
This shows us that we have been warming since probably 1601, and certainly since 1659-when our instrumental records began. So temperatures had ALREADY been rising for some 250 years before Dr Hansen came along-he and Phil Jones merely plugged into the end stages of a long warming trend-they didn’t capture the start of it. This is an important point which often gets overlooked.
Temperatures have been warming in fits and starts of course, with numerous reverses and advances, but the general trend can be followed and such people as Lamb and Manley (Cru and Met office respectively) both agree that glaciers have been in retreat since before 1750.
It is striking that the oldest temperature data set in the world has being turning down sharply for at least 8 years, and that the Mean average in 1659 was exactly the same as in 2010 at 8.83 Degrees C.
Many other INDIVIDUAL records also show this downturn. GLOBAL warming is by no means GLOBAL.
So the interesting question is why have we been generally warming for 350 years? Why do so many locations appear to have been bucking a generally global trend? Why do some people still believe the rate of change in recent years is unprecedented when its clearly not?
The most sensational rise, by a comfortable margin, remains during the period 1698-1740, there have also been many smaller rises similar to the last few decades as I have enumerated here many times.
Tonyb

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