This essay from Willis appeared on WUWT overnight Saturday while I slept. After reading it this morning, I decided to make it a sticky at the top of WUWT (I also added the open letter reference) because it says everything that needs to be said about the current state of affairs in climate science and the skeptic position. I ask readers not only to read it, but to disseminate it widely at other websites and forums. Hopefully, the right people will read this. Thanks for your consideration, and thank you, Willis.
UPDATE: I’ve made this essay available as a PDF here: Willis_Trenberth_WUWT_Essay suitable for printing and emailing. – Anthony
UPDATE2: Trenberth reacts: edits speech to fix copying, leaves “deniers”
Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
I would like to take as my text the following quote from the recent paper (PDF, 270k also on web here) by Dr. Kevin Trenberth:
Given that global warming is “unequivocal”, to quote the 2007 IPCC report, the null hypothesis should now be reversed, thereby placing the burden of proof on showing that there is no human influence [on the climate].
Figure 1. The game of Monopoly’s “Community Chest” card that was randomly drawn by Dr. Kevin Trenberth. Some guys are just lucky, I guess.
The “null hypothesis” in science is the condition that would result if what you are trying to establish is not true. For example, if your hypothesis is that air pressure affects plant growth rates, the null hypothesis is that air pressure has no effect on plant growth rates. Once you have both hypotheses, then you can see which hypothesis is supported by the evidence.
In climate science, the AGW hypothesis states that human GHG emissions significantly affect the climate. As such, the null hypothesis is that human GHG emissions do not significantly affect the climate, that the climate variations are the result of natural processes. This null hypothesis is what Doctor T wants to reverse.
As Steve McIntyre has often commented, with these folks you really have to keep your eye on the pea under the walnut shell. These folks seem to have sub-specialties in the “three-card monte” sub-species of science. Did you notice when the pea went from under one walnut shell to another in Dr. T’s quotation above? Take another look at it.
The first part of Dr. T’s statement is true. There is general scientific agreement that the globe has been warming, in fits and starts of course, for the last three centuries or so. And since it has been thusly warming for centuries, the obvious null hypothesis would have to be that the half-degree of warming we experienced in the 20th century was a continuation of some long-term ongoing natural trend.
But that’s not what Dr. Trenberth is doing here. Keep your eye on the pea. He has smoothly segued from the IPCC saying “global warming is ‘unequivocal'”, which is true, and stitched that idea so cleverly onto another idea, ‘and thus humans affect the climate’, that you can’t even see the seam.
The pea is already under the other walnut shell. He is implying that the IPCC says that scientists have “unequivocally” shown that humans are the cause of weather ills, and if I don’t take that as an article of faith, it’s my job to prove that we are not the cause of floods in Brisbane.
Now, lest you think that the IPCC actually did mean that ‘humans are the cause’ when they said (in his words) that ‘global warming was “unequivocal”‘, here’s their full statement from the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report Summary For Policymakers (2007) (PDF, 3.7 MB):
Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global mean sea level (see Figure SPM-3).
Despite the vagueness of a lack of a timeframe, that is generally true, but it says nothing about humans being the cause. So he is totally misrepresenting the IPCC findings (which he helped write, remember, so it’s not a misunderstanding) to advance his argument. The IPCC said nothing like what he is implying.
Gotta love the style, though, simply proclaiming by imperial fiat that his side is the winner in one of the longest-running modern scientific debates. And his only proffered “evidence” for this claim? It is the unequivocal fact that Phil Jones and Michael Mann and Caspar Amman and Gene Wahl and the other good old boys of the IPCC all agree with him. That is to say, Dr. T’s justification for reversing the null hypothesis is that the IPCC report that Dr. T helped write agrees with Dr. T. That’s recursive enough to make Ouroboros weep in envy …
And the IPCC not only says it’s true, it’s “unequivocal”. Just plain truth wouldn’t be scientific enough for those guys, I guess. Instead, it is “unequivocal” truth. Here’s what “unequivocal” means (emphasis mine):
unequivocal: adjective: admitting of no doubt or misunderstanding; having only one meaning or interpretation and leading to only one conclusion (“Unequivocal evidence”)
Notice how well crafted Dr. T’s sentence is. After bringing in “global warming”, he introduces the word “unequivocal”, meaning we can only draw one conclusion. Then in the second half of the sentence, he falsely attaches that “unequivocal” certainty of conclusion to his own curious conclusion, that the normal rules of science should be reversed for the benefit of … … well, not to put too fine a point on it, he’s claiming that normal scientific rules should be reversed for the benefit of Dr. Kevin Trenberth and the IPCC and those he supports. Probably just a coincidence, though.
For Dr. Trenberth to call for the usual null hypothesis (which is that what we observe in nature is, you know, natural) to be reversed, citing as his evidence the IPCC statement that the earth is actually warming, is nonsense. However, it is not meaningless nonsense. It is pernicious, insidious, and dangerous nonsense. He wants us to spend billions of dollars based on this level of thinking, and he has cleverly conflated two ideas to push his agenda.
I understand that Dr. T has a scientific hypothesis. This hypothesis, generally called the “AGW hypothesis”, is that if greenhouse gases (GHGs) go up, the temperature must follow, and nothing else matters. The hypothesis is that the GHGs are the master thermostat for the globe, everything else just averages out in the long run, nothing could possibly affect the long-term climate but GHGs, nothing to see here, folks, move along. No other forcings, feedbacks, or hypotheses need apply. GHGs rule, OK?
Which is an interesting hypothesis, but it is woefully short of either theoretical or observational support. In part, of course, this is because the AGW hypothesis provides almost nothing in the way of a statement or a prediction which can be falsified. This difficulty in falsification of the hypothesis, while perhaps attractive to the proponents of the hypothesis, inevitably implies a corresponding difficulty in verification or support of the hypothesis.
In addition, a number of arguably cogent and certainly feasible scientific objections have been raised against various parts of the hypothesis, from the nature and sign of the forcings considered and unconsidered, to the existence of natural thermostatic mechanisms.
Finally, to that we have to add the general failure of what few predictions have come from the teraflops of model churning in support of the AGW hypothesis. We haven’t seen any acceleration in sea level rise. We haven’t seen any climate refugees. The climate model Pinatubo prediction was way off the mark. The number and power of hurricanes hasn’t increased as predicted. And you remember the coral atolls and Bangladesh that you and the IPCC warned us about, Dr. T, the ones that were going to get washed away by the oncoming Thermageddon? Bangladesh and the atoll islands are both getting bigger, not smaller. We were promised a warming of two, maybe even three tenths of a degree per decade this century if we didn’t mend our evil carbon-loving ways, and so far we haven’t mended one thing, and we have seen … well … zero tenths of a degree for the first decade.
So to date, the evidentiary scorecard looks real bad for the AGW hypothesis. Might change tomorrow, I’m not saying the game’s over, that’s AGW nonsense that I’ll leave to Dr. T. I’m just saying that after a quarter century of having unlimited funding and teraflops of computer horsepower and hundreds of thousands of hours of grad students’ and scientists’ time and the full-throated support of the media and university departments dedicated to establishing the hypothesis, AGW supporters have not yet come up with much observational evidence to show for the time and money invested. Which should give you a clue as to why Dr. T is focused on the rules of the game. As the hoary lawyer’s axiom has it, if you can’t argue facts argue the law [the rules of the game], and if you can’t argue the law pound the table and loudly proclaim your innocence …
So now, taking both tacks at once in his paper, Dr. T. is both re-asserting his innocence and proposing that we re-write the rules of the whole game … I find myself cracking up laughing over my keyboard at the raw nerve of the man. If he and his ideas weren’t so dangerous, it would be truly funny.
Look, I’m sorry to be the one to break the bad news to you, Dr. T, but you can’t change the rules of scientific inquiry this late in the game. Here are the 2011 rules, which curiously are just like the 1811 rules.
First, you have to show that some aspect of the climate is historically anomalous or unusual. As far as I know, no one has done that, including you. So the game is in serious danger before it is even begun. If you can’t show me where the climate has gone off its natural rails, if you can’t point to where the climate is acting unusually or anomalously, then what good are your explanations as to why it supposedly went off the rails at some mystery location you can’t identify?
(And of course, this is exactly what Dr. T would gain by changing the rules, and may relate to his desire to change them. With so few examples to give to support his position, after a quarter century of searching for such evidence, it would certainly be tempting to try to change the rules … but I digress.)
But perhaps, Dr. T., perhaps you have found some such climate anomaly which cannot be explained as natural variation and you just haven’t made it public yet.
If you have evidence that the climate is acting anomalously, then Second, you have to show that the anomaly can be explained by human actions. And no, Dr. T., you can’t just wave your hands and say something like “Willis, the IPCC sez you have to prove that what generations of people called ‘natural’, actually is natural”. There’s an arcane technical scientific name for that, too. It’s called “cheating”, Dr. T., and is frowned on in the better circles of scientific inquiry …
(N.B. – pulling variables out of a tuned computer model and then proudly announcing that the model doesn’t work without the missing variables doesn’t mean you have established that humans affect the climate. It simply means that you tuned your computer model to reproduce the historical record using all the variables, and as an inevitable result, when using only part of those variables your model doesn’t do as well at reproducing the historical record. No points for that claim.)
Third, you have to defend your work, and not just from the softball questions of your specially selected peer reviewers who “know what to say” to get you published in scientific journals. In 2011, curiously, we’ve gone back to the customs of the 1800s, the public marketplace of ideas — except this time it’s an electronic marketplace of ideas, rather than people speaking from the dais and in the halls of the Royal Society in London. If you won’t stand up and publicly defend your work, it’s simple – you won’t be believed. And not just by me. Other scientists are watching, and considering, and evaluating.
This doesn’t mean you have to reply to every idiot with a half-baked objection and a tin-foil hat. It does mean that if you refuse to answer serious scientific questions, people will take note of that refusal. You must have noticed how such refusal to answer scientific questions totally destroyed the scientific credibility of the website RealClimate. Well, they’re your friends, so perhaps you didn’t notice, but if not, you should notice, here’s an example. (PDF, 147K) Running from serious scientific questions, as they make a practice of doing at RealClimate, makes you look weak whether you are or not.
And Always, you have to show your work. You have to archive your data. You have to reveal your computer algorithms. You have to expose everything that supports and sustains your claims to the brutal light of public inquiry, warts and all.
Dr. T., I fear you’ll have to get used to the sea change, this is not your father’s climate science. The bottom line is we’re no longer willing to trust you. You could publish in the Akashic Records and I wouldn’t believe what you said until I checked the figures myself. I’m sorry to say it, but by the actions of you and your colleagues, you have forfeited the public’s trust. You blew your credibility, Dr. T, and you have not yet rebuilt it.
And further actions like your current attempt to re-write the rules of science aren’t helping at all. Nor is trying to convince us that you look good with a coat of the finest English whitewash from the “investigations” into Climategate. Didn’t you guys notice the lesson of Watergate, that the coverup is more damaging than the original malfeasance?
Dr. T, you had a good run, you were feted and honored, but the day of reckoning up the cost has come and gone. Like some book said, you and the other un-indicted co-conspirators have been weighed in the balances, and found wanting. At this point, you have two choices — accept it and move on, or bitch about it. I strongly advise the former, but so far all I see is the latter.
You want to regain the trust of the public, for yourself and for climate science? It won’t be easy, but it can be done. Here’s my shortlist of recommendations for you and other mainstream climate scientists:
• Stop trying to sell the idea that the science is settled. Climate science is a new science, we don’t even have agreement on whether clouds warm or cool the planet, we don’t know if there are thermostatic interactions that tend to maintain some temperature in preference to others. Or as you wrote to Tom Wigley, Dr. T,
How come you do not agree with a statement that says we are no where close to knowing where energy is going or whether clouds are changing to make the planet brighter. We are not close to balancing the energy budget. The fact that we can not account for what is happening in the climate system makes any consideration of geoengineering quite hopeless as we will never be able to tell if it is successful or not! It is a travesty!
SOURCE: email 1255550975
Curious. You state strongly to your friend that we’re not close to knowing where the energy is going or to balancing the energy budget, yet you say in public that we know enough to take the most extraordinary step of reversing the null hypothesis … how does that work again?
At this point, there’s not much about climate science that is “unequivocal” except that the climate is always changing.
• Don’t try to change the rules of the game in mid-stream. It makes you look desperate, whether you are or not.
• Stop calling people “deniers”, my goodness, after multiple requests that’s just common courtesy and decency, where are your manners? It makes you look surly and uncivilized, whether you are or not.
• Stop avoiding public discussion and debate of your work. You are asking us to spend billions of dollars based on your conclusions. If you won’t bother to defend those conclusions, don’t bother us with them. Refusing to publicly defend your billion dollar claims make it look like you can’t defend them, whether you can or not.
• Stop secretly moving the pea under the walnut shells. You obviously think we are blind, you also clearly believe we wouldn’t remember that you said we have a poor understanding of the climate system. Disabuse yourself of the idea that you are dealing with fools or idiots, and do it immediately. As I have found to my cost, exposing my scientific claims to the cruel basilisk gaze of the internet is like playing chess with Deep Blue … individual processors have different abilities, but overall any faults in my ideas will certainly be exposed. Too many people looking at my ideas from too many sides for much to slip through. Trying anything but absolute honesty on the collective memory and wisdom of the internet makes you look like both a fool and con man, whether you are one or not.
• Write scientific papers that don’t center around words like “possibly” or “conceivably” or “might”. Yes, possibly all of the water molecules in my glass of water might be heading upwards at the same instant, and I could conceivably win the Mega-Ball lottery, and I might still play third base for the New York Yankees, but that is idle speculation that has no place in scientific inquiry. Give us facts, give us uncertainties, but spare us the stuff like “This raises the possibility that by 2050, this could lead to the total dissolution of all inter-atomic bonds …”. Yeah, I suppose it could. So what, should I buy a lottery ticket?
• Stop lauding the pathetic purveyors of failed prophecies. Perhaps you climate guys haven’t noticed, but Paul Ehrlich was not a visionary genius. He was a failure whose only exceptional talent is the making of apocalyptic forecasts that didn’t come true. In any business he would not have lasted one minute past the cratering collapse of his first ridiculous forecast of widespread food riots and worldwide deaths from global famine in the 1980s … but in academia, despite repeating his initial “We’re all gonna crash and burn, end of the world coming up soon, you betcha” prognostication method several more times with no corresponding crashing burning or ending, he’s still a professor at Stanford. Now that’s understandable under tenure rules, you can’t fire him for being a serially unsuccessful doomcaster. But he also appears to be one of your senior AGW thinkers and public representatives, which is totally incomprehensible to me.
His string of predicted global catastrophes that never came anywhere near true was only matched by the inimitable collapses of the prophecies of his wife Anne, and of his cohorts John Holdren and the late Stephen Schneider. I fear we’ll never see their like again, a fearsome foursome who between them never made one single prediction that actually came to pass. Stop using them as your spokesmodels, it doesn’t increase confidence in your claims.
• Enough with the scary scenarios, already. You’ve done the Chicken Little thing to death, give it a rest, it is sooo last century. It makes you look both out-of-date and hysterical whether you are or not.
• Speak out against scientific malfeasance whenever and wherever you see it. This is critical to the restoration of trust. I’m sick of watching climate scientists doing backflips to avoid saying to Lonnie Thompson “Hey, idiot, archive all of your data, you’re ruining all of our reputations!”. The overwhelming silence of mainstream AGW scientists on these matters is one of the (unfortunately numerous) reasons that the public doesn’t trust climate scientists, and justifiably so. You absolutely must clean up your own house to restore public trust, no one else can do it. Speak up. We can’t hear you.
• Stop re-asserting the innocence of you and your friends. It makes you all look guilty, whether you are or not … and since the CRU emails unequivocally favor the “guilty” possibility, it makes you look unapologetic as well as guilty. Whether you are or not.
• STOP HIDING THINGS!!! Give your most private data and your most top-secret computer codes directly to your worst enemies and see if they can poke holes in your ideas. If they can’t, then you’re home free. That is true science, not hiding your data and gaming the IPCC rules to your advantage.
• Admit the true uncertainties. The mis-treatment of uncertainty in the IPCC reports, and the underestimation of true uncertainty in climate science in general, is a scandal.
• Scrap the IPCC. It has run its race. Do you truly think that whatever comes out of the next IPCC report will make the slightest difference to the debate? You’ve had four IPCC reports in a row, each one more alarmist than the previous one. You’ve had every environmental organization shilling for you. You’ve had billions of dollars in support, Al Gore alone spent $300 million on advertising and advocacy. You’ve had 25 years to make your case, with huge resources and supercomputers and entire governments on your side, and you are still losing the public debate … after all of that, do you really think another IPCC report will change anything?
If it is another politically driven error-fest like the last one, I don’t think so. And what are the odds of it being an honest assessment of the science? Either way the next IPCC report won’t settle a single discussion, even if it is honest science. Again, Dr. T, you have only yourself and your friends to blame. You used the IPCC to flog bad science like the Hokeyschtick, your friends abused the IPCC to sneak in papers y’all favored and keep out papers you didn’t like, you didn’t check your references so stupid errors were proclaimed as gospel truth, it’s all a matter of record.
Do you truly think that after Climategate, and after the revelations of things like IPCC citations of WWF propaganda pieces as if they were solid science, and after Pachauri’s ludicrous claim that it was “voodoo science” to point out the Himalayan glacier errors, after all that do you think anyone with half a brain still believes the IPCC is some neutral arbiter of climate science whose ex-cathedra pronouncements can be relied upon?
Because if you do think people still believe that, you really should get out more. At this point people don’t trust the IPCC any more than they trust you and your friends. Another IPCC report will be roundly ignored by one side, and cited as inerrant gospel by the other side. How will that help anyone? Forget about the IPCC, it is a meaningless distraction, and get back to the science.
That’s my free advice, Dr. T., and I’m sure it’s worth every penny you paid for it. Look, I don’t think you’re a bad guy. Sadly for you, but fortunately for us, you got caught hanging out with the bad boys who had their hands in the cookie jar. And tragically for everyone, all of you were seduced by “noble cause corruption”. Hey, it’s nothing to be ashamed of, it’s happened to me too, you’re not the first guy to think that the nobility of your cause justified improper actions.
But as far as subsequently proclaiming your innocence and saying that you and your friends did nothing wrong? Sorry, Dr. T, the jury has already come in on that one, and they weren’t distracted by either the nobility of your cause, nor by the unequivocal fact that you and your friends were whitewashed as pure as the driven snow in the investigation done by your other friends … instead, they noted your emails saying things like:
In that regard I don’t think you can ignore it all, as Mike [Mann] suggests as one option, but the response should try to somehow label these guys a[s] lazy and incompetent and unable to do the huge amount of work it takes to construct such a database.
Indeed technology and data handling capabilities have evolved and not everything was saved. So my feeble suggestion is to indeed cast aspersions on their motives and throw in some counter rhetoric. Labeling them as lazy with nothing better to do seems like a good thing to do.
SOURCE: email 1177158252
Yeah, that’s the ticket, that’s how a real scientist defends his scientific claims …
w.

15 out of 10, Willis
Robb876 says: (January 15, 2011 at 3:55 am)
Could anybody actually make it through that entire post??
Yes, Robb,
Nick says:
January 15, 2011 at 9:07 pm
Nor did I say that he states that human activity is causing our weather, you need to improve your reading skills. I said he implies it, which he certainly does … Nick, I’ll say to you what I say to many people. If you disagree with something I said, QUOTE IT.
My friend, if you think that the unproven AGW hypothesis has not had the “full throated support of a media” over the last quarter century, you need real professional help, not the paltry assistance we can offer.
Regarding funding, the US is currently spending a million dollars a day, not per month or per week but per day, on climate science research. Yes, that’s not “unlimited funding”, you are correct … but in this time when you guys are always squealing about Exxon funding someone to the tune of ten million dollars total, once, five years ago, compared to that, ten million bucks per day is near enough to unlimited for all practical purposes … and that’s not counting the $300 million bucks that Al Gore threw into the pot.
I didn’t have to call Trenberth a cheat and a conspirator, he is condemned by his own words. You really, really should read the underlying documents before making foolish claims, it makes people snort coffee up their nose when you make nonsensical statements like that. Read the emails, then go back and read them again. As someone who is mentioned in the Climategate emails because I was a participant, I can assure you that you don’t have a clue what you are on about.
And if you don’t see the difference between accusing someone of a specific act, and referring to a whole class of varied and interesting people by a name which Trenberth has been repeatedly told is perceived as an insult, again you need professional help. As I told Trenberth, that’s just common courtesy. For example, I used to call AGW supporters “warmers”, but a couple of people objected. So being courteous, I changed it to the more neutral “AGW supporters”.
But Trenberth, and I guess you as well, are too tone-deaf to dozen’s of people’s oft-repeated and clear requests to exhibit the most common form of politeness. If you tell me you don’t want to be called “Little Nicky”, I don’t argue about how you really are little or some such nonsense. I just call you something else because you asked me to. You and Trenberth obviously missed the kindergarten class about playing well with others …
Oh, Nick, that’s so funny. I know it’s not polite to laugh at someone for being naive, but in your case, it’s so over-the-top I can’t help it. Kevin doesn’t expect us to do some real work, that’s a Pangloss fantasy. He is terrified of the real work that’s already been done, and he knows that he can’t find the evidence to make his case. Occam told me that’s the most probable reason that he’s trying to change the rules in midstream.
And you think he wants to change the rules to make us do some real work? Oh, that’s precious, Nick, I almost spilled my coffee, your mom must be so proud of you.
w.
Willis, great post. I’m afraid the Team and their retinue don’t merely neglect the null hypothesis – a lot of them, like Tobis and Verheggen, genuinely misunderstand it.
Here’s post I made at Judith’s:
http://judithcurry.com/2011/01/14/politics-of-climate-expertise-part-iii/#comment-31725
izen says:
January 15, 2011 at 8:01 pm
You miss the point. We have a host of means, statistical and otherwise, to differentiate between natural variation and something anomalous. You seem to think because you can’t prove your case using those means, you get to change the rules.
You mean that natural variations can’t be found with a null hypothesis of “it’s natural variation”? Now there’s some shocking news, Izen, thanks for enlightening us. I suppose your revolutionary news would be of use to us if we were looking to identify specific natural variations … but we’re not trying to find Milankovich or other natural variations, are we?
Instead, we’re looking to see if man is affecting the climate, or if variations in the climate are natural. In such a quest, “it’s natural variation” is the logical and inescapable null hypothesis. We can attack the problem of showing man’s influence in many ways, as you point out, from the simplistic to the highly refined.
However, all of this is far from the point. The point is that Trenberth is not looking for any of the subtleties that you so rightly point out. Instead, he is trying to turn the whole system on its head, not to refine the null hypothesis as you discuss, but to reverse the null hypothesis.
So you may be right or not … but Trenberth is definitely wrong, he’s way off the scientific reservation with his desire to reverse the null hypothesis.
izen says:
January 15, 2011 at 11:33 am
@- smokey –
…The link you give for similar past trends uses some unrealistically short periods. but is also entirely within the period when AGW is an active hypothesis for observed changes…
…presumably referring to this:
http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/hadley/Hadley-global-temps-1850-2010-web.jpg
Not so.
The IPCC AR4 states that most of the observed warming after the mid-twentieth century is most likely due to human GHG emissions.
Clearly human emissions, by comparison, were insignificant before then:
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/emis/graphics/global_ff_1751_2006.jpg
A fact which reinforces Smokey’s point.
G. Karst says:
January 15, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Most/many, lay/professional people, think the debate is about whether the world is warming or not. They assume that we live in the ideal climate. I have seen virtually no debate or science paper addressing the question “What is the ideal climate for the bio-mass and more specifically for Man (and his food supply)?”
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Absolutely spot on, G. Karst!
It’s damned hard to grow an abundance of food when temperatures are too cool or too hot.
Your question should be the first one asked with regard to climate, not an afterthought that no one bothers to address….
As a lawyer myself, I am always amused by law professors like Buzz Belleville who confidently proclaim what the policy should be and what they “know” about the subject of AGW. Because they know precious little other than what they have been fed by others. For myself, I’ve read a bunch of different stuff (most of which I don’t understand; I suspect Belleville understands even less), but I am most educated by WUWT because of the variety of viewpoints I receive here. It would be best for Belleville to do the same.
Law professors like him give our profession a bad name. I oppose them where I can.
R Gates, you keep saying you are not an alarmist or AGW cheerleader, that you are 75% one way and 25% the other and that you want the science, the real science, to win. Then you start in on Willis with the claim that ” GCM’s include every known forcing (long and short term) in the models”
Several others have already produced specific examples, but may I possibly direct you to the IPCC AR4 Chapter 8, pages 597 and 598, where the various models used in the report are listed. as you can see from reading just that high level chart, many of the models have ZERO adjustment for TSI at all. On that one variable alone your statement is falsified, but don’t worry, the land factors column, the sea ice column, in fact ALL the columns in the table falsify your statement.
So… did you not bother to check the facts at all? Or did you just decide to adjust them? The 75% of you that claims to support the AGW theory seems to have adopted the AGW scientific method. Refinement = Adjustment = If the facts do not support your theory, the facts must be wrong.
izen:
Without a means of differentiating between ‘Natural variation’ and any alternative hypothesis for climate events the descriptive term is of little use.
izen, we’ve got nearly the whole climate-weather history of the Earth as “natural variation”. We’ve got a significant amount of time since the end of the last glaciation, with “natural variation” but without any ACO2. You are obviously the one who has to “differentiate” CO2AGW from that natural variation, because you are the one who wants to say that now CO2CAGW is at work instead of natural variation.
But, izen, if you are claiming that you can’t define or describe “natural variation” on the basis of its limits – what is expected from it, and what is not – then, according to you, you likewise can’t differentiate CO2AGW from it! So, according to you, you can’t prove anything at all about CO2AGW!
For example, you can’t possibly make any predictions that would support or falsify either “natural variation” or CO2AGW, one more than the other, since you can’t distinguish between them in the first place. In fact, you can have no idea, either, if some completely seperate force would have also entered into the mix at some time. You simply don’t know what the [say, Earth’s Holocene] natural climate is or has been, so you can’t really even worry about something like fossil fuel CO2 changing it, because you wouldn’t be able to recognize/differentiate it from natural variation.
R Gates
… and while you are at it, why don’t read read through this gem from page 608 of the same report. Basically what they say is the NONE of the models can actually reproduce the climate of the last 140 years properly, so they are ALL wrong, but when you average them together, the average is closer than any of the models. In other words, “we have no clue which parts are right and which parts are wrong, but since they average out, our strategy is to keep creating a whole bunch of different ones even though we know they are wrong.”
While reading this little gem, keep in mind also that these are just the model results that they used for for the average. There were results from lots of other models submitted, but they were discarded for one deficiency or another so that just the models that happen to average to a better result were left. Hmmm. I wonder whose idea that was? Some guy with tree ring expertise maybe?
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The multi-model averaging serves to filter out biases
of individual models and only retains errors that are generally
pervasive. There is some evidence that the multi-model mean
fi eld is often in better agreement with observations than any of the
fi elds simulated by the individual models (see Section 8.3.1.1.2),
which supports continued reliance on a diversity of modelling
approaches in projecting future climate change
HAS:
Sorry, but No! your post at January 15, 2011 at 6:48 pm makes the same mistake as Trenberth.
As scientist has to work within the scientific method. He/she does not have the luxury of changing the method because of any personal desire. And part of the scientific method is an acceptance of the nature and importance of the null hypothesis in any investigation.
The null hypothesis is that in the absence of evidence of a change then it has to be assumed there has been no change.
So, in the case of AGW, it has to be assumed that climate behaviour has not changed from previous climate behaviour unless and until there is evidence that climate behaviour has changed.
There can be no compromise with this.
Your suggestion that the null hypothesis should be that climate behaviour may have to change by a specified amount (you suggest 5%) redefines the null hypothesis. And an attempt to redefine the null hypothesis is the same mistake that Trenberth makes.
The null hypothesis in AGW is that climate behaviour has not changed as a result of the anthropoigenic emission of GHGs (i.e. following the industrial revolution) and it is the ONLY scientific assumption because there is no evidence – none, zilch, not any – evidence of such a change. If such evidence were produced then the null hypothesis would be disproved and there could be investigation of what caused the change. But unless and until such evidence exists there is not – and there cannot be – any scientific purpose in investigating the cause (perhaps AGW or something else) of a change which is not known to exist.
Investigating if AGW is the cause of a change to climate behaviour when there is no evidence that the change exists exists is like investing the behaviour of a specific ghost in a house that is said to be haunted.
Richard
Willis Eschenbach says:
January 15, 2011 at 3:29 pm
“…R. Gates, do you truly think that adding more and more forcings and UHI calcs to a model in which “the potential energy of water vapor/condensate is neglected”, a model that doesn’t stay in balance by itself but has to be “tuned” to stay in balance, will give us better and better answers?
Because I’ve been programming computers for forty-eight years now, I’m very fluent in half a dozen computer languages and literate in another half dozen. In my experience, until the basics of the climate (or any other) model are right, adding more forcings and UHI effects is just like nickel-plating a squirt-gun. It looks solid and real, and you can certainly use it to terrorize the citizenry … but that doesn’t make it into a real pistol.”
Can you define for us what the potential energy of vapor condensate is, and explain why its effect is important enough to warrant consideration by climate models?
Can you do the same for the other assumptions that were made to simplify the execution of the climate model which you referenced?
You ridicule the modelers who wrote the paper you referenced for having made these simplifying assumptions it, but you haven’t shown that they are causing significant errors in the models.
The people who did the modeling clearly have the background to understand the physics and why they can make these assumptions. I see that they didn’t explain in detail why this made sense.
I suspect that climate model researchers who understand the physics would attack these assumptions if they were incorrect. Can you cite any refutations of this particular set of assumptions in the climate modeling literature?
If you can’t explain the physics that causes the phenomena neglected in the reference, and you can’t cite objections to these assumptions in the literature, why should anyone accept your comments on this particular point as valid? You don’t claim to have any background in physics, only in programming.
I want to postulate a new H1 hypothesis.
It is that an increase in Carbon dioxide might be cooling the atmosphere.
At least that is what my results from my own method & report could be suggesting.
The method is simple.
We can all do this. If you know the weather pattern at your weather station.
We want to compare days & times where it was always dry and cloudless.
http://letterdash.com/HenryP/assessment-of-global-warming-and-global-warming-caused-by-greenhouse-forcings-in-pretoria-south-africa
Let me know what you think…..
Dr. Trenberth also pretends he was ‘exonerated’ irt climatgate.
He knows he was not, if he is capable of reasoned thinking on the topic.
He got away with it, so far. He received a whitewash from phony non-investigtions.
He may think he did nothing wrong.
but he was not exonerated.
Willis
Very nice post.
chuckarama says:
“January 15, 2011 at 6:41 pm
Doesn’t it follow that if AGW is now a matter of fact, unequivicolly so as we are repeatedly told, that we can stop funding research on it with taxpayer money? What’s the point of continuing to prove it?”
I think its time we sceptics had a change in tactics, so lets lobby our governments too say that as the science is so settled no further research of any kind is needed, and we can cut all funding to the climate industry completely.
After the stunned silence there will be howls of protest and requests for further research funding for various lines of investigation into ‘uncertain areas’ which will show us EXACTLY where the warmists believe the main weaknesses in their arguments lie…
Tonyb
Willis, HAS and others – I’m not a scientist, so correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t you courting unnecessary epistemological difficulty by entertaining talk of the null hypothesis being, or not being, “proven” or “falsified”? Surely the whole point of the null hypothesis is that it admits of neither, but but just sits there, waiting to be found if the alternative hypothesis fails? CAGW Believers like izen, but many others with greater claims to eminence, misunderstand the null hypothesis, appearing to believe that it is a separate logical construct, to be tested by separate experiment, on a separate occasion, from the alternative hypothesis. They thus talk about “proving” or “falsifying” it, deepening their confusion. Surely we should be pointing out this source of confusion?
By the way, KT’s wish to switch N0 indicates to me that he DOES understand it, unlike those defending him.
Richard S Courtney says January 16, 2011 at 12:07 am
The null hypothesis is simply what you testing to see if the data will falsify it. The consequence of falsifying it gives support for the alternate hypothesis.
The fact that the null often reflects the default or commonly held view is simply because typically it isn’t usually very interesting to prove what is already common belief. But when there’s real argument or difference of views the experimenter is free to choose what they are trying to do in their experiment.
So Dr T is perfectly at liberty to say I’m testing to falsify that CO2 has no/limited impact on temperatures. In fact he should have been doing this all along given what he clearly believes.
I note that initially Willis Eschenbach objected in his post to the reversal because “it is woefully short of either theoretical or observational support.” But I see that when he is responding to izen at January 15, 2011 at 10:25 pm he does seem to make the same mistake when he says “Trenberth is definitely wrong, he’s way off the scientific reservation with his desire to reverse the null hypothesis.”
For my part I have always felt there is a lack of rigour in climate science when it comes to experimental design etc. Dr T for example assumes the output of climate models as if they are empirical data to achieve closure on radiation balances.
I therefore think it would be a very good discipline to get him to formulate his null and his alternate (as I’ve noted earlier). Only good will come of it, and I don’t think it’ll skew the debate one way or the other.
No one else need change their null, although I predict that quite a few skeptics will start doing it when they see the opportunities presented by more tightly defining causality and demonstrating the limitations in the data.
And remember one persons null can be another’s alternate.
The part of Dr Trenberth’s emails that never seems to get much attention is the following.
The fact that we can not account for what is happening in the climate system makes any consideration of geoengineering quite hopeless as we will never be able to tell if it is successful or not! It is a travesty!
Now I might be missing what he is saying but it seems to me he is saying.
We have not got a clue what is going on so if we try to take steps to try and fix it(CO2 reduction)we will not know if it is working or not.
So before the World spends trillions of dollars does he still think that the geoengineering will be quite hopeless.
He shoots, he scores. Nuthin’ but net.
In australia we have Bob Brown leader of the greens he made a statment that the coal mines have caused the queenslands floods . every body should feel sorry for us having to put up with this goose . the x and y generation love the greens it is very sad for all normal people
@- smokey
“The null hypothesis is completely falsifiable. Simply show a current parameter that has changed as a result of the increase in CO2. Presto! Null falsified.”
I would nominate the satellite measured fall in OLR and the measured rise in DLR.
Somehow I suspect you will find a reason NOT to accept that this falsifies the null hypothesis.
@- JPeden says:
“But, izen, if you are claiming that you can’t define or describe “natural variation” on the basis of its limits – what is expected from it, and what is not – then, according to you, you likewise can’t differentiate CO2AGW from it! So, according to you, you can’t prove anything at all about CO2AGW!”
Actually I got rather sidetracked into the issue of how useful a null hypothesis based purely on comparisons with past patterns was compared to an explanatory hypothesis invoking physical causation.
As I stated in my first post on this thread, there ARE aspects of the current climate which I think are anomalous in comparison with natural variation. The changes in OLR and DLR I mention above would be one. The evidence that the recent rate of sea level rise is not typical of the last 6000 years would be another.
Whether climate change is ‘Natural’ or manmade the attribution of a cause relies on a hypothesis that invokes physical processes. Looking only at the change in temperature is incapable of providing an explanation for that data.
@izen
“how useful a null hypothesis based purely on comparisons with past patterns was compared to an explanatory hypothesis invoking physical causation”
Again you treat N0 as if it were separable from its alternative, instead of the essential complement to any properly-framed hypothesis which it is.
And what on earth is an “explanatory hypothesis”? If you mean the Alternative Hypothesis (N1) , then again, to be properly framed, it must have a properly framed N0.
This is the point where the AGW cause either jumps the shark or elevates itself to true religion, right now canonical models and journals are being selected much like the heretical gospels the rest will be dropped IPCC report 5 will become a new bible.
“That’s recursive enough to make Ouroboros weep in envy …”
Can it be a coincidence that the loopiest scientific craze of all time is provoking some of the finest comic prose ever?