Quote of the week – unbelievable hubris from CARB's Mary Nichols

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Now that California’s Prop 23 to suspend the AB32 global warming law has failed, you get some real clarity from the players. If you ever doubted that our current crop of “save the planet” bureaucrats think they are above answering to the very citizens that pay their salary, this quote should put any doubt you may have had to rest.

From public TV station KQED’s “climate watch” blog:

“They didn’t know who they were messing with,” said Mary Nichols, when the first numbers came in from the polls.

Wow. Just wow. Hubris maximus. Lady, you need a reality check.

Read the holier than thou hubris yourself here. Read here why Prop 23 was felled by feelings, and not by facts.

Here’s the effervescent Mary Nichols dealing with CARB’s DiplomaGate:

The Orange County Register reported:

Cover-up taints costly diesel policy

A year ago, high officials of the California Air Resources Board learned that the author of a statistical study on diesel soot effects had falsified his academic credentials.

The researcher, Hien Tran, acknowledged the deception and agreed to be demoted, but after his data were given another peer review, they remained the basis of highly controversial regulations that will cost owners of trucks, buses and other diesel-powered machinery millions of dollars to upgrade their engines. The Tran study concluded that diesel “particulate matter” was responsible for about 1,000 additional deaths each year.

Now more fallout from that “landmark diesel law” comes last month:

BREAKING: SFO Chronicle says “Faulty science behind state’s landmark diesel law” – an error of 340%

I have to ask: Ms. Nichols, do you have any idea of what you or your agency is doing? Because I gotta tell you, CARB looks wholly incompetent from this vantage point.

h/t to Russ Steele at NC Media Watch

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89 thoughts on “Quote of the week – unbelievable hubris from CARB's Mary Nichols

  1. I love clarity. This is perfect. Obama does it all the time, too. We know exactly who they are, and we allow them to proceed. We elected them. We must want it this way, or we would change it. Congrats to California for being very clear, if nothing else.

  2. I (for one) am rather happy that California has decided to donate any jobs and industry it may have to the rest of the country, the rest of us can certainly use them.

  3. I seriously recomend for businesses and productive people to relocate outside of California. Costs are lower and will soon be much lower in neighboring states. They are lower still in the upper midwest. There are significant facilities available to buy or lease in Michigan and Wisconsin coupled with a better trained work force.
    If you need help finding a place I can help or refer you to someone who can.

  4. CARB has a lot in common with the EPA . I hope the new Congress can put them on a short leash , but that may not be likely . Please see my post at Tipa and Notes .
    Mods – the link appears not be working . Could you help ? ( It might just be on my end – please advise .) Mank thanks , P .

  5. Hope they don’t expect the rest of the country to bail them out when their economy fails, but I expect they will.

  6. So……LEMMINGS WERE CALIFORNIANS…. couldn’t until wait the Big One!
    Last news said some folks have seen a tribe of Big Foot crossing the border to Mexico 🙂

  7. Well I think Mary Nichols is absolutely correct.
    “They didn’t know who they were messing with,”
    I have no idea how one would best describe her.

  8. Too many “lukewarmers” who think the Global Warming hysteria is “exaggerated” and the “solutions” just too expensive.
    The reality is that these alarmists are 180 degrees wrong: both warming and CO2 mean more life. Polar bears increased from 5000 in 1970 at the beginning of 3 decades of warming to 15 000 three decades later at the peak. CO2 is plant food directly; to fight it is murder of the poor by starvation to death (one of the cruelest deaths there is).
    I understand the alarmists used a video of asthmatic children to promote their hysteria in California. The reality is that CO2 is used at 100 times atmosphere to help preemie babies’ lungs mature. I know of no research on CO2 concentrations and asthmatics. I can only suspect that actual research would find elevated CO2 levels would help them.
    I repeat: the hysteria is not merely overblown; it is CONTRARY to fact. We will make more progress when more of us say so.
    –Esther Cook

  9. Texans will be more than happy to exchange a World Series loss for the 100,000 or so jobs that will be created there by businesses leaving California. My wife and I will not be starting a business but will soon be enjoying living there.

  10. The first time I went to Paris (France) I was shocked by the color of the buildings. They were supposed to be white, not gray-black, and by the fact that I had to blow my nose several times a day just to remove all that black soot from my nose. In Europe they mostly only use diesel engines. Soot is everywhere, even in your shorts. It’s filthy and you can’t see the stars at night. Apparently more people die of smoking there than soot.

  11. Carl Pope put it succinctly: “It tells me that the future of California has arrived,” the Sierra Club chairman told me on election night. “Once you create a clean energy economy, people will not let it go.”
    This is the quote that tells the story. They won’t let go… no matter what. Expect to hear from the new governor in a couple months asking Obama, Harry Reid, and the newly elected Republican House for a little help balancing the CA budget. Brother can you spare a trillion. Meanwhile that “green economy” starts looking for a location where they can operate without government interferance, like China, India, or New Jersey.

  12. I posted this is a previous thread. Since it is relevant here, I’m reposting:
    The comments by Arnold Schwarzenegger are telling. He told they crowd that “California beat Texas”, but by what measure? In the census, California has not won. By one estimate, Texas will gain 4 seats in the US House of Representatives, while California loses 1. We will have to wait for the official count, but even if California keeps 53 seats, Texas has not lost.

  13. In China and India they all sing …”wish they all could be California, wish they all could be California…..”

  14. See what happens when you allow Marxist educators around the children for too long? An entire states who’s population has just proven they are incapable of rational thought.

  15. Arny’s right, California is whipping Texas! California’s unemployment is at 12.2% and Texas a meager 8.1%. On the other hand from July ’09 to July ’10, Texas added 182,100 jobs and California added 16,700 (6th best in the nation). Nothing like misguided policies, based on information from special interests, to run a once prosperous state into the ground. California should ask Michigan about it (i.e. unions).

  16. CARB and the California Coastal Commission form what is basically a shadow government within California. Their whole purpose is directed towards stopping development whether they’ll admit it or not. There’s no compromise with them, you simply comply with their wishes, period. They do not work to find any compromise between the needs of developers/employers and the needs of the environment they simply tell you that the environment cannot be disturbed and your project is shot down. They do not answer to the voters. They are barely restrained by the elected representatives, if at all. They use everything at their disposal to make you look like someone who burns piles of tires every day if you complain to the media. They’re basically California’s environmental dictators. And no, I do not think that is hyperbole. There is no compromise with a dictator, there is no compromise with CARB or the CCC. They simply do not work with developers to reach effective modifications to plans that enable the project to go forward, they only find reasons to block the whole thing.
    So yeah, it’s not surprising she would say that, she comprises the only political body in California that answers to no one, and has no shortage of deep-pocketed supporters within the state. This state is slowly turning into a “for the wealthy only” state, as the wealthy here seem to delight in making it impossible for a working-class to exist.

  17. I am sure in the months and years to come Californians can bask in the warm glow of their bloated moral certainties. Of course jobs will be scarce and unemployment will rocket and public services will decline and crime will rise and those wealth creators will flee and housing prices will plummet and the poor will be unable to afford basic energy needs BUT thats a small to price to pay for knowing that big energy and capitalism has been defeated.
    The willing and eager self termination of a once mighty state by its own inhabitants and political leaders on the alter of corporate big eco as they tug at the heartstrings of the gullible and the ignorant. The slide is going to be fast and steep and ugly to witness and the morons who cheered will be where when the chickens come home to roost? Well Californians cannot say they were not warned and that nobody tried to explain the dangers.

  18. It’s 97 degrees today at 1:40 p.m. in Los Angeles – and it’s November 3!
    Wise-cracking friends emailed me to say it’s just Mother Nature, cranking up the heat in California, far beyond what puny CO2 could possibly be responsible for.
    CARB, though, will very likely describe this warm episode as one of the predicted (and preventable) heat waves that will be more and more frequent as global warming progresses due to man-made CO2.

  19. I don’t live in California, so I’m actually glad to see Prop 23 go down, and see politicians like Boxer and Brown get elected. It will be interesting to watch how things play out over the next few years and see just how successful they are with their clean energy economy and greenhouse gas reductions. I’m betting it won’t go well. I’d also bet that California was expecting a lot of assistance (mostly financial) from the federal government, but last light’s results just threw a big monkey wrench in that plan.

  20. DesertYote says:
    November 3, 2010 at 1:17 pm
    See what happens when you allow Marxist educators around the children for too long? An entire states who’s population has just proven they are incapable of rational thought.
    Lets be fair not all of the population is registered to vote, and of that registered number probably 55% voted. of that 55% not all would have voted on this issues. Of the subset of the subset of the subset of the population that actually voted on this prop, 60% proved they are incapable of rational thought.

  21. I am California born and raised, but I am so glad that graduate school took me elsewhere. Before he passed away a decade ago, my uncle left a productive family business making alfalfa pellets for the dairies in Tulare county. Then a few years ago the CARB stuck its nose in and made it so expensive to continue running the hay grinder that my aunt sold the equipment and closed the business, laying off 10 emplyees. The reason the CARB gave: it produced too much dust!

  22. Let me also say that I would prefer that California drown in it’s own debt. I live here and I want to see that bitter pill swallowed whole. The reason is the Democrats have ruled the representative bodies in California for a long long time here, they have spent and spent and spent forever. They gave collective bargaining power to public employees (if that isn’t a conflict of interest, there’s no such thing) who then take their big-labor coffers and spend it against anything that goes against them or bond measures that might bring them funds. I’ve been in this state since 1984 and I haven’t seen a single school construction proposal NOT FINANCED with BONDS. Just think about that for a moment, Every single school construction/addition/building proposal that I’ve witnessed just from southern California was paid for with a credit card. This in the wealthiest state in the nation.
    IT IS SICKENING. Why does the wealthiest state in the union have to float bonds to pay for educational upgrades? Because of all the waste and corruption, period. Then of course when the dot-com bubble burst, all that spending totally backfired on the state, suddenly their revenue dropped dramatically and their expenses for all the bond measures started coming due. So now the state started borrowing like crazy to pay for it’s own debt. It’s been a slow coast into a storm since then, but it is rapidly picking up downhill speed.
    And there’s always that “big one” earthquake out there. Surely our honorable senators and assemblymen must have put away some cash to deal with that…
    Yeah, it’s a joke.

  23. I can’t help but be reminded of something a character in the movie Star Wars III says as the Emperor cements his control of the Republic.
    “So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause”
    Padmé Amidala – Revenge of the Sith

  24. @joe,
    “Lets be fair not all of the population is registered to vote, and of that registered number probably 55% voted. of that 55% not all would have voted on this issues. Of the subset of the subset of the subset of the population that actually voted on this prop, 60% proved they are incapable of rational thought.”
    This was a very low turnout, as is usual in non-presidential elections. Population in California is approximately 38 million. Approximately 7 million votes were cast for/against Prop 23. Roughly the same number, 7 million, were cast in the Governor’s ballot. With a No vote on Prop 23 of approximately 61 percent, that’s 4.2 million votes that decided the matter.
    This is representative democracy at its finest. Barely more that 10 percent of the population making decisions to impact the entire 100 percent.

  25. Apparently Jenny Oropez won 28th District of the state Senate, despite dying on October 20th.
    DaveE.

  26. Easiest way to dupe your politician is to point out that there’s a more prominent and popular, and therefor supposedly apparent more powerful, politician that already is on board.
    If your politician happens to be the king of the hill already, well you just give “it” the option of either or looking like a complete moron in front of everyone, by of course using all the tricks of the trade.
    How many really knows that most propositions are already, pretty much if not completely, ready made and handed to the politicians in a nice frame so to speak by your bestests of friends that only have your best interest at heart the hordes of troll-lobbyists. I bet there were about 23 propositions for proposition 23. The politician just choosed the one that seemed most preferable that day for the politicians own career as per usual.
    It’s not called a proposition because it’s a proposition to the voter but because it is a proposition to the politician. o_O

  27. Sad yes, but a certain sign that the climate debate is a long way from being finished, and the charalatans and their useful fools will continue making their point using appeals to emotion while avoiding the science. The US as a country saw a remarkable swing in the electorate’s opinions yesterday, though they were driven more by dissatisfaction with the economy than by issues like global warming. That swing doesn’t seem to have really hit home yet with Californians who seem oblivious to the direct effects they are having on their own economy. One wonders if it shall become a self sustaining cycle in which the realists find jobs in other states, leaving behind a population increasingly comprised of sheep determined to rid the earth of CO2 while wondering why the grass doesn’t grow anymore and where everyone else went.

  28. joe
    November 3, 2010 at 1:58 pm
    Lets be fair not all of the population is registered to vote, and of that registered number probably 55% voted. of that 55% not all would have voted on this issues. Of the subset of the subset of the subset of the population that actually voted on this prop, 60% proved they are incapable of rational thought.
    #
    I stand corrected.

  29. Quiet guys, I hope to pick up a cheap condo near Venice Beach when I retire in 3 years…., so with a mass exodos of folks, massive unemployment, and no jobs, Ipredict the price will be 50% lower than it is now……s sad for Californians……great for guys who love the sunshine state…the beaches, and the tourism.

  30. As a Texan who was twice stationed in California (San Diego and Monterey), I gotta admit I love the state. It will be very interesting to watch the contrast in the next few years as I predict Texas continues to grow and prosper, and California continues its slide into mediocrity. What a shame.

  31. Maybe it’s not all bad, in a few years they may be able to film the new Mad Max extravaganza there. Australia is too pretty.

  32. To those thinking Californians (the few who might be left), please rest assured that we in the sorry State of the once-United Kingdom, can empathise with your agonies.
    We, too, are being ground down by wind-mill touting, nuclear-denying coal-hating greenies who hold the levers of power. Now we have just found out that our most elite troops are going to come under the command of “cheese-eating surrender monkeys!”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/8103057/British-combat-troops-to-come-under-French-command.html
    We voted out the last spendthrift, traitorous government only to find that the one we have elected is even worse. They have sold out to the EUSSR completely and we, the People, have no recourse whatsoever.

  33. Stephen Brown says:
    November 3, 2010 at 3:30 pm
    Since when were Britain & France like minded countries?
    I have nothing against the Kermits but we don’t think like them & they don’t think like us!
    DaveE.

  34. Can someone point out to the ugly batch that she is employed to serve those she obviously considers an enemy.

  35. Not everyone in California is deaf and dumb when it comes to climate policy. Solyndra, a Silicon Valley maker of solar panels opened a new $733 million robotic fabrication facility using $535 million in federal loan guarantees seven weeks ago. Today they announced they would shut down their older factory, lay off those workers and cut their previous production level. Such a deal. The feds pay two-thirds of the cost of your brand new factory so you can be more efficient, lay off workers, and cut down your production.
    Meanwhile, venture capital investment in solar panels plummeted because the Chinese, using older technology, and subsidies from their government, have captured such a huge portion of the market that they can sell panels much cheaper.
    Aren’t we blessed to have a great and giving government operating unfettered by market economics? They deserve a ten-day vacation with friends anywhere in the world they want to go. Maybe we can budget $2 billion for a nice junket. Take that, Oprah!
    Note to the new Congress. I have some great ideas on where you can cut expenditures.

  36. Anoneumouse said: “Hey….ADC pulls out of California.”
    What on earth does that mean? Some kind of inside California reference?

  37. It appears to me that the voters in California will trash their own economy far more effectively than the next series of megathrust earthquakes. Those businesses that do relocate out of California will benefit from avoiding two disasters, a clear and present danger in Edmund Gerald Brown and another Loma Prieta to come.
    Probably “I’ll be back” Arnold Alois Schwarzenegger voted Democrat, so get out whilst you can. California is Californicated now.

  38. ab32 is still in place. AGW is still in charge in California. Even though these people want to destroy the California populations livelihood the people have voted for the destruction.

  39. James Barker says:
    November 3, 2010 at 3:19 pm
    “Maybe it’s not all bad, in a few years they may be able to film the new Mad Max extravaganza there. Australia is too pretty.”
    Or some interesting reality TV along Mad Max lines.

  40. I am back in the states for a few months, and while drinking coffee one afternoon (in Texas) I read a (free from the shop) NYT piece on this prop. a week prior to election day. What struck me about the article was not the expected bias, but the NON-mention of any substance on the actual matter at hand one way or another (just the same Texas vs. California nonsense, no mention of energy tax relief or seemingly reasonable state umeployment quotas, let alone ANY mention of the relation of the actual energy policy to the AGW hypothesis, nor any empirical questions regarding that hypothesis [of course]). The level of non-information was striking (when disinformation fails, this is always a good back-up). If you read the (final) ACM, the fix is even deeper in OZ. In the California context, I suspect that at heart, many detractors of Prop. 23 really do not care about the impact on people’s standard of living, as those who need to work hard to live are disproportionately. There is a highly malignant, anti-humanist elitism at work here that is actually as repulsive as the intellectual dishonesty surropunding these matters.

  41. Why am I not surprised? These are the same folks that brought the golden state MTBE in the 80s and 90s, that fuel additive that was supposed to increase gasoline milage and save the environment too–and did absolutely nothing. Oh, it did pollute the Tahoe Basin with a new chemical that proved to be even more of a cancer causing substance than second hand smoke—the horror. Leave the state, I did, it’s your fault if you stay for a second round of Gov. Moonbeam.
    REPLY: I’m seriously considering the options right now. I’m pretty well fed up here. The last straw was the 40cents/kwh this summer. Now with Moonbeam, it can only get worse. -Anthony

  42. The proposed rules to implement AB 32 give away 97-98% of the permits in the first year, no effect at all on transportation fuels until at least 2015. They continue to kick the can down the road. Prop 23 failing or passing was mostly irrelevant. I actually wish they would implement on the Sierra Club’s desired time line and show the rest of the country what will happen. I am sick and tired of the economic illiteracy around this issue.

  43. both warming and CO2 mean more life. …….. to fight it is murder of the poor by starvation to death (one of the cruelest deaths there is).
    The reality is that CO2 is used at 100 times atmosphere to help preemie babies’ lungs mature. I know of no research on CO2 concentrations and asthmatics. I can only suspect that actual research would find elevated CO2 levels would help them.

    Any takers???

  44. DCC says:
    November 3, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Not everyone in California is deaf and dumb when it comes to climate policy. Solyndra, a Silicon Valley maker of solar panels opened a new $733 million robotic fabrication facility using $535 million in federal loan guarantees seven weeks ago. Today they announced they would shut down their older factory, lay off those workers and cut their previous production level.

    In the People’s Republic just south of New Hampshire comes this news (in part):
    http://www.masshightech.com/stories/2010/11/01/daily14-Evergreen-Solar-China-manufacturing-transition-coming-mid-2011.html
    Evergreen Solar: China manufacturing transition coming mid-2011
    Evergreen Solar Inc. expects the transition of its solar panel assembly operation from Devens to China to be complete by mid- to late-2011, company officials said during a third-quarter conference call Tuesday.
    The Marlborough-based company officially opened its new facility in Wuhan, China, in September, and has been moving the Devens panel assembly operation to the new facility as a way to cut costs.
    It’s expected that the move to China could lead to the elimination of jobs in Massachusetts. Evergreen employed 925 in the state as of June, according to the Massachusetts Executive Office of Energy and Environmental Affairs, which has been involved with the company since it received more than $40 million in state financing in 2007.
    The financing deal requires that Evergreen maintain 660 jobs in Massachusetts, according to the state office.

  45. To all old school Californians with business savvy. Come to Northeast Oregon. If you can stand the winter weather, we have plenty of people willing to work for you. And Interstate 84 is a good road with good access to other states, let alone a fairly straight shot to I5 (which you should avoid like the plague when relocating a business). What’s not to like about NE Oregon? The Sun shines quite a bit, AND we have lots of water. The only drawback is our election results. We still apparently have our idiot Governor who appears to have been re-elected by a dog’s hair width between him and Dudley. By folks along the I5 corridor you want to avoid anyway. Idaho would be good too.

  46. Maybe the only way California is going to come to its senses is when it hits rock bottom from all its bad decisions.

  47. Robb876 says:
    November 3, 2010 at 5:36 pm
    both warming and CO2 mean more life. …….. to fight it is murder of the poor by starvation to death (one of the cruelest deaths there is).
    The reality is that CO2 is used at 100 times atmosphere to help preemie babies’ lungs mature. I know of no research on CO2 concentrations and asthmatics. I can only suspect that actual research would find elevated CO2 levels would help them.
    Any takers???
    Too much oxygen can cause blindness in premies – so it’s not so much that CO2 is good as too much O2 is bad. Many individuals suffering from congestive heart failure have ‘burned out’ or damaged their oxygen sensors in the aorta. These individuals depend to one degree or another on their CO2 receptors to initiate breathing. Back when I was an EMT we had to worry about supplying oxygen to CHF patients because it would depress respiration. ‘Pink and dead’ was the result to avoid.

  48. Yes Amino, that’s usually what drug addicts and alcoholics must experience before recovery is an option, assuming of course they acknowledge they have a problem.
    California appears to be in the last stages of a democracy, that being when the People discover they can get goodies from the public treasury by voting. The only question will be when (not if) Obamanonicscare comes to the rescue to bail out the bankrupt state.

  49. The interesting and appalling thing about the successful campaign to defeat Prop 23 was that it did not mention climate change at all. All of the ads implied that the isssue was standard pollution. They showed kids with inhalers, saying that the proposition would increase asthma problems, etc.
    If they felt they couldn’t sell it on the basis of preventing climate change, maybe there is hope!

  50. Doug Bagdero:
    “I am sick and tired of the economic illiteracy around this issue.”
    Exactly. I work in broadcasting in Michigan. Everytime we have a story about “green” energy, we (my station) always broadcasts the environmentalist’s position: “you will save money by using these light bulbs and energy-saving devices” (Of course, consumers funded it through a surcharge on their electric bill). Today, after the Republican route, a university professor talked about boosting Michigan’s economy with “green” energy. This prof, of course doesn’t talk about the huge subsidies that will be involved that we’ll ultimately pay for or the hike in our utility bills if his plan goes through. I can’t get anyone to talk about the economics of “green energy” on TV. Even the people who work for utilities who know how economically ruinous these policies will be don’t speak out against them–it’s politically incorrect.

  51. I say let California fry. Let’s watch with focus and document California burn.
    It will be painful, but the citizens of CA voted for it.
    I moved from there years ago. Please don’t ask me to send money to pay for your labor, solar and wind boondoggles.
    EJ

  52. Many individuals suffering from congestive heart failure have ‘burned out’ or damaged their oxygen sensors in the aorta. These individuals depend to one degree or another on their CO2 receptors to initiate breathing.
    Actually, You’re Hypercarbic drive is your primary respiratory drive. The Hypoxic drive comes in an inefficient second.

  53. California voters are that in tune with common sense? Why was that other controversial proposition (8) overturned then? I wonder how this fine woman thought of California voters on that day? I agree, though, between the courts, the interest groups, the politicians, the lobbyists, ad nauseum, it is hard to know who you are messing with in politics. Just remember folks, you pay for what you get, whether you want it or not.

  54. REPLY: I’m seriously considering the options right now. I’m pretty well fed up here. The last straw was the 40cents/kwh this summer. Now with Moonbeam, it can only get worse. -Anthony
    You’d be right at home in Ohio. Cleveland and Cincinnati even have beaches. Plenty of great hospitals, sorry you still need them for sure, but they are here. And we could use voters that agree on keeping out the rabble. Just don’t forget your snowshoes and your coat. Especially if you go to Cleveland. 🙂

  55. Good for Mary Nichols! Prop 23 was nothing but an attempt by big business (big oil) to have their way with California. Although, I think global warming is a is a pseudoscientific myth, I know that air pollution impacts our quality of life. I live down wind from the port of Oakland, I know how nasty diesel soot is as a pollutant. F**k global warming. But air pollution is a different story…

  56. There are a ton of good states out there.. Midwest (which I would inlcude Ohio as stated above) is a pretty good area depending where you go. Missouri is nice simply because we have so many interstates and other transportation hubs so to speak.
    St Louis – you can live in Missouri or Illinois and pick and choose where you want to pay taxes for home and office.
    KC – Kansas or Missouri and same with the choices.
    Only bad thing about midwest is that our weather will never be as nice as California in general.
    I will say this however, the midwest states tend to know how to keep businesses around as a general rule.

  57. Her statement reminds me of the freshly outed Speaker of the House when talking about the Healthcare Bill.
    “Let’s pass it and find out what’s in it.”
    Most voters here don’t read too much of the Initiatives, so the crafty (and rather misleading) wording tricked many into a “No” vote.

  58. Sad about California.
    I had a business there but moved out in 2005 to the lovely desert southwest and certainly do not regret the move and we are doing just fine in what some of my colleagues from California refer to as “the desert wasteland”.
    I love doing business with California companies because there are just so many wonderful, smart people there (we do high-tech mfg…) but IMHO it is a very difficult state to do business in due to transportation problems, crime and general lack of ethics, and tax structure. I am interested to see how their anti-CO2 regulations actually pan out. Should be interesting.

  59. Beowulf888….
    Pollution has nothing to do with ab32, it’s regulation on co2 pure and simple and the democrats fantasy of clean energy and green jobs. This state is bleeding, people around en masse are losing their homes and jobs, businesses are failing all the while CARB grows in numbers, power and pensions on the backs of people who scrap out a living week by week. We’re losing our liberty to people like Mary Nichols. I wonder if she thinks about the tens of thousands of jobs lost, lives ruined by diesel regulations. I don’t think so, just a 1000 lawyers justifying their existence and damn the rest.

  60. beowulf888 says:
    November 3, 2010 at 9:44 pm
    What does Prop 23 have to do with pollution. Have you read AB32? I’m astounded at what you just posted? And on a science blog. Jeez, I need to pack up and move to Nevada with my business.

  61. Don’t worry about the extinction of jobs, California. James Cameron will be along shortly, paint you all blue and let you be extras in his next warmist fantasy movie. He might even let you sniff the gas fumes from his stable of expensive vehicles just to remind you how fortunate you are to live in a Marxist, low carbon utopia.

  62. UK Sceptic [November 4, 2010 at 12:04 am] says:
    “Don’t worry about the extinction of jobs, California. James Cameron will be along shortly, paint you all blue and let you be extras in his next warmist fantasy movie. He might even let you sniff the gas fumes from his stable of expensive vehicles just to remind you how fortunate you are to live in a Marxist, low carbon utopia.”

    Correctamundo. And to top it off, Cameron would make the movie in Mexico or Canada.
    So not only is James Cameron a climate debate coward, and a climate hypocrite (BTW see Lubos thread with the YouTube link), but he is also making an artform out of exporting jobs overseas.

  63. Robb876 says:

    both warming and CO2 mean more life. …….. to fight it is murder of the poor by starvation to death (one of the cruelest deaths there is).
    The reality is that CO2 is used at 100 times atmosphere to help preemie babies’ lungs mature. I know of no research on CO2 concentrations and asthmatics. I can only suspect that actual research would find elevated CO2 levels would help them.
    Any takers???

    If you peg CO2 in normal air at 400ppm (a bit on the high side but it’s a nice, round figure), then “100 times atmosphere” would be 40,000ppm or 4% (4 parts per hundred) … right?
    In the study, Hyperoxic Brain Effects Are Normalized by Addition of CO2, fMRIs “were collected during each of three conditions: baseline (no gas administered), hyperoxia (100% O2), and hypercapnic hyperoxia (5% CO2, balance O2)…. Hyperoxia elicited a sequence of fMRI responses in the posterior hypothalamus, insula, hippocampus, cerebellum, caudate, and thalamic regions…. The addition of 5% CO2 to the hyperoxic mixture greatly reduced or eliminated responses in most structures.”
    The study also noted:
    “Supplementation of hyperoxia with CO2 does reduce induction of hypocapnia and consequent reductions in CBF, and alleviates damage due to oxygen stress. The biochemical processes associated with tissue injury in oxygen stress have been well-outlined [50,51], as have interventions to prevent such injury [52]. CO2 supplementation for neonatal resuscitation is indicated by suggestions that room air may be at least as effective as 100% O2 in infants subjected to asphyxia [53,54] and that biochemical correlates of oxygen stress are diminished [55]. Room air resuscitation results in less injury to the heart and kidney [56]; injury to the heart is especially apparent after hyperoxic exposure [57]. Similarly, hyperbaric O2 fared no better than pressurized air for improvement in gross motor function when administered to patients with cerebral palsy [58], and hyperoxia and hypocapnia add to the risk of brain injury after intrapartum asphyxia [59]. Hyperoxic ventilation is often administered for treatment of stroke; however, the accompanying hypocapnia and resultant CBF reductions and diminished O2 delivery may be contraindicated, as for resuscitation. The perinatal ischemic rodent brain is better protected with addition of mild hypercapnia to the ventilatory supplement mix [60].
    “It should be noted that patients requiring resuscitation often show initially high CO2 levels following respiratory failure, and an argument could be made that under such circumstances the addition of CO2 to hyperoxic delivery is unnecessary. However, CO2 levels rapidly dissipate with forced ventilation, and hypocapnia would ensue after a short period, leading to the sequence of constricted vasculature described earlier.”
    That study had CO2 levels at 5%, not just 4%. However, the study participants were children, not infants.
    The abstract of another study, Effects of CO2 rebreathing on pulmonary mechanics in premature infants, says “The decrease in resistance that occurs within the airway in response to inhaled CO2 may permit greater airflow at any level of respiratory drive, thereby improving the infant’s response to CO2.” Apparently, total pulmonary, supraglottic, and lower airway (larynx and lungs) resistance decreased progressively as end-tidal PCO2 (PETCO2) increased from 63 +/- 23 to 23 +/- 15 cmH2O.l-1.s in inspiration. However, details are behind a pay wall.

  64. Remember that comercial “Come to California?”
    Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md69zCJKD1c
    People think that living in California is one big vacation?
    We have board meetings. Lot’s of board meetings!
    We always work weekends.
    We burn the midnight oil. etc…
    I always used to wonder why and how they had it so good. Now I know. They were living on credit. Good luck with that.

  65. Well, I know what my own personal pick for a QOTW is:

    Obama blames economy for Democratic ‘shellacking’

    “If right now we had 5 percent unemployment instead of 9.6 percent unemployment, then people would have more confidence in those policy choices,” Obama said.

    And if we had global warming in line with the CO2 increases and those potentially-disastrous effects the IPCC and the more-extreme alarmists warned us would happen actually had happened, then people would have more confidence in (C)AGW “science”. They say things will happen, they don’t happen, in a logical world that should indicate to them they had faulty assumptions, were working from bad theories and hypotheses, etc, they should try again from the start and find things that really do work.
    So what was the problem? Communication! From (C)AGW proselytizing to the election campaigning, the reason given for declining public confidence, worded several ways that mean the same thing, is these are complicated technical issues that are hard for “common people” to understand, thus the Esteemed Experts have failed to convey to the public both the seriousness of the problem(s) and how there is Absolute Certainty theirs is the One True Solution that Absolutely Will Work and Absolutely Must Be Done. Or really bad things will happen.
    To the remaining residents and businesses of California, good luck with CARB. Maybe some day these people will realize we did get their message, and decided it and them are not to be believed nor trusted. Until then, it is they who do not not know who they are messing with.
    BTW, Side Note: Was it some strange sort of non-racism and/or Political Correctness that kept Obama from using the traditional phrase “whipping”? As it stands, the Traditional Woodworkers of America are ready to complain about the denigration of classical shellac finishes. 😉

  66. Re. Rhoda R says: …… Katherine says: ……
    Thanks for the info, I did not know that is was used in such a way… But my concern on that statement was that it seemed to be a justification to ignore rising levels of atmospheric CO2, and I thought it to be an unusual justification. It should be noted that the methods you have discussed are controlled medical techniques, and a simple volume increase of CO2 in the atmosphere will displace O2, and can be hazardous to oxygen breathing life in concentrations of less than 4%. While I don’t expect CO2 concentrations to reach poisonous levels…. I still don’t find these techniques to be justification for claiming its “a life giver”…. No offense to the author by the way… Ohh and I also feel that if a “warmer” had made an equally extreme justification in favor of CO2, he would have been “ripped a new one” by some folks in here…. haha

  67. None of you have any idea how powerful this woman is now. With AB32 moving forward, control of the CARB board and the backing of a Democrat State Senate, Assembly, and Governor… she can make up just about any regulation she likes. She can and will command a increase on gas and electricity to discourage use. No further approval necessary from legislature or voter. The state will get richer from hidden taxes and the poor will… well, you know the rest.
    AB32 is so broad and poorly written, Mary Nichols is now effectively the Queen of California. It’ll be interesting to see how the queen commands us.

  68. President Obama stated yesterday that “there is more than one way to skin a cat” — Cap and Trade is essentially dead legislation.
    Why is California pursuing a Dead program?
    Mary Nichols is out of touch with reality and needs to go.

  69. Report: Carbon market falls on Obama’s cap-and-trade retreat
    By Ben Geman – 11/03/10 05:05 PM ET
    http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/677-e2-wire/127577-report-carbon-markets-fall-on-obamas-cap-and-trade-retreat
    Carbon markets saw the writing on the wall Wednesday when President Obama said cap-and-trade legislation will stay on ice after the big GOP midterm gains. Obama pledged to find other ways to cut carbon, noting, “cap-and-trade was just one way of skinning the cat.”
    

Bloomberg reports: “Futures contracts in the U.S. Northeast’s carbon market fell the most in more than four months after … Obama backed away from the national cap- and-trade program he once sought.”

  70. kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
    November 4, 2010 at 6:27 am
    As it stands, the Traditional Woodworkers of America are ready to complain about the denigration of classical shellac finishes. 😉

    I believe that the sense of “Shellacking”, meaning beaten, comes from the practice of whacking a loser repeatedly with a Shillelagh until he cries, “Uncle” or is beaten senseless. However, the origin of the slang is uncertain.

  71. Well the Traditional Woodworkers of America need not be concerned with Obama’s usage of “shellacking.”
    My recollection of the use of shellac, in the finishing of fine wood products, involved dissolving the shellac flakes in Turpentine; and then beginning the extremely laborious; but necessary process, of dipping a cloth into the shellac solution, and rubbing it onto and into the wood surface; for literally hours and hours, to be sure you got a uniform and deeply embedded shellac finsish. with a very high sheen to it.
    There was another way to do it however; and that was the Tom Sawyer (or was it Huck Finn) whitewashing approach, in which you simply dipped a 2 inch brush into the shellac solution, and you simply slapped that all over the place; just as Tom’s “Customers” slapped the whitewash on his fence (for a price).
    It is that slapping it all over the place with a brush that properly constitutes “Shellacking”, and no wood worker who is a fan of “Frecnh Polishing” would dare do anything so crass to his wood masterpieces.
    A properly rubbed shellac finish is a thing of beauty; and not at all like a shellacking.
    So as used in the competitive victory connotation; it implies not just beating your opponent; but slapping him every which way in the process.
    You could say that in the first two games of the 2010 “Whirled Serious”, the SF GI-Ants delivered a shellacking to the Texas Rangers. It’s the slapshod nature of it that constitutes Shellacking; not just blowing the opponent out of the water.

  72. Well, I guess you can argue California is killing Texas when it comes to higher unemployment and massive budget deficits. I think Texans will take that over the World Series.

  73. Curt says:
    November 3, 2010 at 6:55 pm
    “The interesting and appalling thing about the successful campaign to defeat Prop 23 was that it did not mention climate change at all. All of the ads implied that the isssue was standard pollution. They showed kids with inhalers, saying that the proposition would increase asthma problems, etc.
    If they felt they couldn’t sell it on the basis of preventing climate change, maybe there is hope!”
    I wish this were true, but I have met too many here in CA who really do believe that CO2 is pollution. While channel surfing recently, I stumbled on a children s’ educational show as the teacher telling a group of kids about pollotion said he could smell the CO2 in the air that morning. Unfortunately, nonsense like this has been part of the required curriculum for elementary students bere for decades. The masses have been programmed to believe, and do. Their common response to the assertion that CO2 is not a pollutant; is to laugh and call the messenger stupid names..
    How can rational thought ever prevail?
    It seems hopeless, but choices do I have. I keep trying, and hoping, but it is tiresome. If it weren’t for my rationalization that it is part of the price I have to pay for the mosquito free ocean tempered sunshine that attracted me in here the first place, I’d have left long ago.
    BWD

  74. From BigWaveDave on November 5, 2010 at 1:09 am:

    If it weren’t for my rationalization that it is part of the price I have to pay for the mosquito free ocean tempered sunshine that attracted me in here the first place, I’d have left long ago.

    What, you can’t get good enough “mosquito free ocean tempered sunshine” in Hawaii? ☺

  75. kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
    “What, you can’t get good enough “mosquito free ocean tempered sunshine” in Hawaii?”
    Perhaps I could, but Hawaii is crawling with scorpions, spiders and centipedes, some the size of cats, and every time I have gone to Hawaii, I got “Rock Fever”, (sort of like claustrophobia) after about a week, and couldn’t wait to get back to a continent.
    Plus, housing and most staples like food, cost about twice in HI, as they do here. Food costs here will probably catch up with Hawaii, soon, but housing prices will no doubt go the other way.
    BWD

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